Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Ch 31

[00:00:00] Okay, so what do you guys think of Fred's death?

[00:00:04] Oof.

[00:00:05] Yikes.

[00:00:06] Yeah.

[00:00:07] But I think I laughed.

[00:00:08] I thought it was so funny because you got the prediction right.

[00:00:13] And also because I realized this, it annoyed me that she laughed in the moment and I felt like I was holding it back because I'm like on stream.

[00:00:20] And then afterwards I'm like, Jen, why did you laugh? It's so annoying.

[00:00:22] But she did that in another show this week and I noticed it happened like two more times.

[00:00:26] When moments get intense or emotional, she laughs as a defense mechanism for the emotion.

[00:00:32] So I was like, all right, I got to like understand that because I was like, it was so funny.

[00:00:37] He was so mad at me.

[00:00:38] Yeah, cause I was like, it was a big moment.

[00:00:40] I was like, don't take away from the moment.

[00:00:42] I could have cried.

[00:00:43] Yeah.

[00:00:44] But you laughed and they ruined it.

[00:00:45] It ruins the moment.

[00:00:46] But to be fair, it's a defense mechanism.

[00:00:49] So, you know.

[00:00:50] I don't know if that's tight.

[00:00:52] Yeah, you don't think so.

[00:00:53] What do you think it is?

[00:00:54] Or you think it was really more about the, that you got the prediction right or that we had just, it's like ironic that we just said it.

[00:01:01] You were just talking about it and then it was also like, I think they haven't been a part of the picture that like frequent.

[00:01:07] So it was just like, oh, we're right.

[00:01:10] And like, of course, haha, one of them would die.

[00:01:13] I know it's not a ha.

[00:01:14] It was like, well, yeah, I think it's sometimes in those moments, it becomes a little more abstract because we're talking about ideas.

[00:01:21] We're talking about ideas of like, who would die in these?

[00:01:24] What would make sense?

[00:01:25] And then all of a sudden we go from like the big picture stuff down into the actual story.

[00:01:30] And sometimes it can get like lost in translation where we're still thinking big picture.

[00:01:36] But I don't know.

[00:01:38] I had gone into the story at that point.

[00:01:40] I don't know.

[00:01:41] I feel like because we're doing maybe it'd be different.

[00:01:44] I don't know because we're like dissecting the book, which is really fun and I like it.

[00:01:48] But I think that takes like the emotion away from me.

[00:01:51] Yeah, like if we had been reading, like we get to this point and I'm just picturing the good old days of reading where you get to a point in a book.

[00:02:00] And even though it's late and you're tired and whatever, you're like, I can't put this thing down and you just don't stop.

[00:02:05] I feel like if you were reading this for the first time, you'd be halfway through this book and you'd be like, I am finishing this book right now.

[00:02:11] And you would just not be able to stop every chapter.

[00:02:13] You'd be like, I'm doing more.

[00:02:15] That's why you guys read experience is so different because of that reason, because it's been almost two years since you've gone through this whole series.

[00:02:22] Yeah, you're reading it faster.

[00:02:24] The emotional moments would I think key in a little bit better.

[00:02:29] But you're just sacrificing for the rest of us and we can't like, I mean, if we're doing a podcast, I mean, unless we want to record every single day, which is just ridiculous.

[00:02:37] We can't do like, you know, finish these books super, super quick.

[00:02:41] Right.

[00:02:42] That's why some of these moments, some of the more emotional moments in the series where like someone has died, haven't hit you guys quite as hard because it's not like, I don't know.

[00:02:51] I guess the amount of time that you're going through this, it's like, if you read real quick, you just want to get to the next page.

[00:02:58] That's why like the next chapter that we're going to do, everyone is like, you have to do the next two combined because of that reason.

[00:03:04] Because when the next chapter hits, you guys are just going to like, it's one of the chapters where you have to go on to the next page.

[00:03:11] It's like an impossibility to not go on to the next page.

[00:03:14] So your reading experience is just different.

[00:03:17] The emotional keys are going to hit different, which has just been fasted in.

[00:03:20] But it gives us a time to process, which is good and bad.

[00:03:23] So that's why I think rather than the emotion building so much from the previous chapter as you just have to read on,

[00:03:30] it's like we have time to process each chapter before we read the next one.

[00:03:35] So then I think some of the emotion is then has dissipated by the time we keep reading.

[00:03:41] So it's good and bad.

[00:03:42] And that's why it was so funny to me because you guys literally were like, it's going to be, it's such a good literary device.

[00:03:48] If he dies and all this stuff that you guys were saying.

[00:03:51] When I was saying that, it was so like, it was abstract.

[00:03:54] You're like, it makes so much sense.

[00:03:55] And it really does make a lot of sense in the story because you're like, you know, he's not really, there's always another spare one.

[00:04:01] I just didn't think about it.

[00:04:03] And then I was like, oh no, it does make a lot of sense.

[00:04:07] But it is also well, I was thinking about it this week.

[00:04:11] She chose Fred instead of George.

[00:04:13] Yeah.

[00:04:14] And I was like, that's interesting.

[00:04:16] I already forgot who George is the one with the ear scar.

[00:04:21] So now we only have George and George was slightly more reserved than Fred.

[00:04:27] It seems just based on who talks more and stuff.

[00:04:30] Although I'm sure somebody did a breakdown online.

[00:04:32] Who killed him again?

[00:04:33] How many words things have said.

[00:04:36] We don't really know.

[00:04:37] There was just a blast.

[00:04:38] Okay.

[00:04:39] And he died.

[00:04:40] The whole wall kind of exploded.

[00:04:43] But wasn't he joking right before too?

[00:04:45] Yeah, he was.

[00:04:47] Oh, he was with Percy.

[00:04:49] That's like a beautiful moment because they were at odds.

[00:04:52] And then now he's like, you're joking first.

[00:04:53] You're actually joking.

[00:04:54] That's what it was.

[00:04:55] Yeah.

[00:04:56] And then the blast in the wall and then it's like every,

[00:04:59] the whole world stops and he's, he's dead.

[00:05:02] You remember that by Fred rhymes with dead.

[00:05:04] So that's how you remember it.

[00:05:05] That's all I remember it.

[00:05:06] Oh.

[00:05:10] Yeah.

[00:05:11] Wow.

[00:05:12] It's a sad one though, but we'll keep talking about that.

[00:05:14] But welcome to the podcast on John.

[00:05:15] Jen.

[00:05:16] Danny.

[00:05:17] And Kristen's not here, but welcome to the podcast.

[00:05:20] And this is Harry Potter and the First Time Readers.

[00:05:22] I forgot how to do that for a second.

[00:05:35] Okay, so we're going to speed through this one so we can actually do our

[00:05:38] library right after this, but the battle Hogwarts has a few really good moments.

[00:05:41] But what did you just think of the, the entirety of the battle?

[00:05:44] What do you think of just like the general feel of what was going on?

[00:05:49] Do you think that they're going to succeed?

[00:05:53] I hope so.

[00:05:56] They got reinforcements.

[00:05:57] A good start, a good fight from the start.

[00:06:00] And I feel like being in the castle is always better than, you know,

[00:06:04] being out.

[00:06:05] Like they can be on the defensive a little bit, but I can't tell like,

[00:06:10] I don't know, holes getting blasted in the castle is not a good sign.

[00:06:15] I feel like we're not in tune with what's going on in the bigger battle

[00:06:19] because we've just been with the kids.

[00:06:22] So I don't have a great feel for what else is going on.

[00:06:26] Like where are these battle lines drawn?

[00:06:30] We're just seeing a lot of little moments within the battle.

[00:06:33] It's not like we're getting that big picture of like, you know,

[00:06:36] a bunch of giants lined up here and a bunch of the teachers here

[00:06:40] and they're fighting over this thing.

[00:06:43] Yeah, so I just, I don't even know, but it feels like the evil

[00:06:47] people have a lot of advantages.

[00:06:53] I feel like they outnumber.

[00:06:55] They outnumber? That's what I was wondering.

[00:06:57] It feels like they've been preparing for something like this.

[00:07:01] I guess they're awesome.

[00:07:02] They don't care.

[00:07:03] They have no emotions that just like kill.

[00:07:05] Well, that's a huge difference right there.

[00:07:07] Yeah.

[00:07:08] And Congress is doing good.

[00:07:09] They're like sending the younger students home,

[00:07:11] but what do you think about the students that are staying back?

[00:07:14] And again, there's like one factor that is thrown into the mix of this

[00:07:18] is that Voldemort has the elder wand.

[00:07:20] So do they even stand a chance?

[00:07:23] It cannot be defeated.

[00:07:25] So Voldemort can't be defeated.

[00:07:27] So it just feels like that as he's walking around in this battle

[00:07:32] or flying around, he is just going to be getting victory,

[00:07:36] victory, victory against each of the people he faces,

[00:07:38] which even without the elder wand would be kind of what we assume.

[00:07:41] I guess I was hoping that the Hogwarts would protect its own students somehow.

[00:07:47] Like it's like it's a lot of help.

[00:07:49] They should have because then it will be given.

[00:07:51] They did they asked that Hogwarts for health and all the

[00:07:53] so that's how to look a motor and all the.

[00:07:55] Yeah.

[00:07:56] So that does help.

[00:07:57] I think they need a little more helps.

[00:07:59] Yeah, I know the paintings are trying to help,

[00:08:01] but they can't really do much.

[00:08:03] I know.

[00:08:04] Like you look the ghosts or the.

[00:08:06] I don't know.

[00:08:08] The ghosts would affect me and you, Jen.

[00:08:10] We'll walk into that and then all of a sudden we get cold.

[00:08:12] We're like, I'm not doing this.

[00:08:14] I'm not fighting today.

[00:08:16] True.

[00:08:17] But the problem is the dementors already like the cold.

[00:08:20] Yeah.

[00:08:24] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:08:26] It is not looking good for for the side of good.

[00:08:30] I just can't figure out how it's going to go from here.

[00:08:35] I was very surprised and disappointed how many people left.

[00:08:39] Not a single Slytherin state.

[00:08:42] Yeah, I know.

[00:08:43] I was like, oh man, like that kind of seals the deal.

[00:08:46] Slytherin stick.

[00:08:47] You know what I mean?

[00:08:48] All this time I'm like, yeah, like it's all right.

[00:08:50] They're they're one of the houses there.

[00:08:51] You know, they got a bad batch right now, but you know,

[00:08:54] and I'm like, no, they just stink.

[00:08:56] They all stink.

[00:08:57] I've been saying that from the beginning.

[00:08:59] I know.

[00:09:00] I've just been holding out hope that in the end there would be

[00:09:02] like a little bit more like even, I guess we're seeing a little

[00:09:06] bit of potential with Malfoy now, I guess, but even after

[00:09:10] Harry saves his life and then we're like, can we really

[00:09:13] trust him?

[00:09:14] Of course we can't.

[00:09:16] But I don't know.

[00:09:21] With Horus leaving too.

[00:09:22] I'm like, it just feels weird, but then.

[00:09:26] All right, that's fine.

[00:09:27] Move on.

[00:09:28] But then even the other houses, it felt like not many of the

[00:09:30] others stayed.

[00:09:31] I'm like, even them?

[00:09:33] But I guess I get it.

[00:09:35] What are they going to feel like?

[00:09:37] Like what are you going to do?

[00:09:39] It's a what's it called?

[00:09:40] Like a sacrifice.

[00:09:41] What is it called when you're like going into something

[00:09:43] knowing most of them are dying?

[00:09:45] Yeah.

[00:09:46] So she's talked about this after the fact.

[00:09:48] She said the fans really wish that she had kept a few

[00:09:54] other ends, but no Slytherin state.

[00:09:56] She said half of the Ravenclaw's stayed.

[00:09:59] So like all the students fifth year and below got sent

[00:10:02] home, no matter what has she said, like half the

[00:10:04] Ravenclaw state and she said the majority of the

[00:10:06] Hufflepuff state and the majority of the Gryffindor

[00:10:08] state and they say for two different reasons, which

[00:10:10] we'll talk about at a whole different time.

[00:10:12] But she's mentioned that so there's probably not a

[00:10:16] ton of students staying, but there's like a

[00:10:18] decent amount of Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaw's.

[00:10:21] Yeah.

[00:10:23] So and they're all kind of fighting this battle for

[00:10:26] the specific reason that Harry can look after

[00:10:28] something, which he keeps forgetting to look after,

[00:10:30] which is so silly.

[00:10:31] I know losing sight of that.

[00:10:32] I know, which I mean it's like easy.

[00:10:34] It's understandable that he's losing sight of it,

[00:10:36] but yeah, these are there's some interesting lines.

[00:10:38] I'm curious what you think of the gray lady in

[00:10:40] her whole story because these are some of the

[00:10:42] lines that we get of hers where he goes, well

[00:10:44] help me then her composure was slipping.

[00:10:46] It's it's not a question of she stammered.

[00:10:49] My mother's diet M your mother's.

[00:10:51] She looked angry with herself when I lived.

[00:10:54] She said stiffly.

[00:10:55] I was Helen of Ravenclaw.

[00:10:57] You're her daughter, but then you must know what

[00:11:00] happened to it later.

[00:11:01] She says he tracked me to the forest where I was

[00:11:03] hiding when I refused to return with him.

[00:11:06] He became violent.

[00:11:07] The Baron was always a hot tempered man furious

[00:11:10] at my refusal jealous of my freedom.

[00:11:12] He stabbed me the Baron.

[00:11:14] You mean the bloody Baron?

[00:11:16] Yes, said the great lady and she lifted

[00:11:18] aside the cloak.

[00:11:19] She wore to reveal a single dark wound in her chest.

[00:11:22] When he saw what he had done,

[00:11:24] he was overcome with remorse.

[00:11:26] He took the weapon that had claimed my life and

[00:11:28] used it to kill himself all these centuries

[00:11:30] centuries later.

[00:11:31] He wears his chains as an act of penance as

[00:11:34] he should.

[00:11:35] She added bitterly.

[00:11:37] Then after that he goes or she goes he

[00:11:40] hid the diet M in the castle the night

[00:11:42] he asked Dumbledore to let him teach said

[00:11:44] Harry saying it loud saying it out loud

[00:11:46] made enabled him to make sense of it all.

[00:11:49] He must have hidden the diet M on his way up

[00:11:51] to or down from Dumbledore's office,

[00:11:54] but it was still worth trying to get the

[00:11:56] job that might have gotten the chance to

[00:11:58] Nick Gryffindor sword as well.

[00:12:00] Thank you.

[00:12:01] Thanks.

[00:12:02] So what do you think of her story?

[00:12:04] And what do you think of the great lady?

[00:12:06] Sad.

[00:12:08] I know.

[00:12:10] And weird that she has to be in this castle

[00:12:12] with the Baron.

[00:12:13] But they never seem to interact.

[00:12:15] At least it was never said.

[00:12:17] Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:18] Not that we've seen.

[00:12:19] We've never seen him before.

[00:12:20] It is.

[00:12:21] It is kind of fun to like put the pieces

[00:12:23] together like you have heard of the

[00:12:25] great.

[00:12:26] You haven't really heard of the great

[00:12:27] lady, but you've heard of the bloody

[00:12:28] Baron all the time before and you've

[00:12:29] never really wondered about a story

[00:12:30] until like this is put together

[00:12:31] and you're like, oh wow.

[00:12:32] He actually has like a dark, you

[00:12:34] know, back.

[00:12:35] Yeah.

[00:12:36] Yeah.

[00:12:37] Which kind of makes sense.

[00:12:38] I mean,

[00:12:39] I mean,

[00:12:40] I mean,

[00:12:41] he's got a dark, you know, back.

[00:12:42] Yeah.

[00:12:43] Yeah, which kind of makes sense.

[00:12:44] Yeah.

[00:12:45] Like if we were to guess on his back

[00:12:46] story and his name and all, it's

[00:12:48] like, yeah, it doesn't sound the

[00:12:49] best.

[00:12:50] But nearly headless.

[00:12:52] Nick always feels a little lighter.

[00:12:54] You know, he's kind of nice.

[00:12:55] Yeah.

[00:12:56] So I don't know.

[00:12:57] It's weird.

[00:12:58] You want some attention?

[00:12:59] I started it.

[00:13:00] Um,

[00:13:01] I think I'm

[00:13:03] it's interesting that he's

[00:13:05] a great man.

[00:13:06] And I believe that he's a great

[00:13:07] man and I think that he's

[00:13:08] a great man.

[00:13:09] I think it's interesting that this,

[00:13:13] like Harry was able to get her to give some details

[00:13:18] but no other student was able to.

[00:13:21] So I don't know if she understood the gravity

[00:13:23] of the situation or if there was something more.

[00:13:26] This is another very rare moment

[00:13:28] that I actually think the movie does slightly better

[00:13:32] in the books for like how Harry is actually able

[00:13:34] to obtain the information from her.

[00:13:37] And the acting that the great lady has,

[00:13:40] have you ever seen No Country for Old Men?

[00:13:44] No.

[00:13:45] She's an actress in that and she's spectacular in this.

[00:13:47] She has a very small part in this movie

[00:13:49] but she's so good in this role I think.

[00:13:53] And yeah, how Harry's able to get the information

[00:13:55] is actually I think done a little bit better.

[00:13:58] Rather than like it almost seems like at this point,

[00:14:00] J- like Joe was like, okay, I have to like,

[00:14:02] he has to get the information somehow.

[00:14:04] Whoa, yeah, yeah.

[00:14:05] And she's like not necessarily rushing

[00:14:06] but she's like, okay, we gotta,

[00:14:07] like I gotta kind of wrap this up.

[00:14:08] Yep, yep.

[00:14:10] But I think the movie does it really well to be honest.

[00:14:12] Yeah, because it is a very key moment.

[00:14:15] I mean, it feels like without that,

[00:14:19] I mean, she could find another way to do it I guess

[00:14:21] but it was important and maybe,

[00:14:26] maybe the ghost understood the important,

[00:14:27] the great lady.

[00:14:29] I kinda wish she was mentioned at some other point

[00:14:30] in the books so that it could be like a callback

[00:14:32] to something.

[00:14:33] I think that she was once.

[00:14:36] Okay, that's good.

[00:14:37] I wanna say she was mentioned once

[00:14:39] or it was like Harry knew her

[00:14:41] cause she was like in a classroom that he was in

[00:14:44] but it was like barely mentioned.

[00:14:46] Barely, just like a single time.

[00:14:48] And is she just in Ravenclaw Tower

[00:14:55] or is it like mostly there?

[00:14:58] Or each house gets a ghost, right?

[00:14:59] So she's the house ghost of Ravenclaw.

[00:15:01] Yeah.

[00:15:04] So she's able to roam the castle

[00:15:06] but she probably just stays in Ravenclaw Tower a lot.

[00:15:09] Probably like a lot of the other house ghosts do the same.

[00:15:14] Yeah, and so then I guess ghosts

[00:15:16] maybe can't go into the room of requirement

[00:15:20] cause that'd be interesting if she found her,

[00:15:22] yeah.

[00:15:23] Her die dem, her lost die dem.

[00:15:26] It's almost like she doesn't want it

[00:15:27] which is another interesting point.

[00:15:28] Like that point was always when Dumbledore

[00:15:32] was talking to Harry about the memory

[00:15:36] for why Voldemort was coming back to the castle.

[00:15:38] We had a long discussion on what he really wanted to do

[00:15:42] and you were like, I think some of your suggestions

[00:15:44] were like maybe he wants to get back to the chamber

[00:15:45] of secrets or something like that

[00:15:47] but do you understand now

[00:15:48] what he was actually trying to accomplish?

[00:15:51] Like when he was applying for his job.

[00:15:54] Yeah.

[00:15:55] Wait, didn't we mention that though?

[00:15:56] We were trying, he was trying to get things.

[00:15:59] Yeah.

[00:16:00] Like possessions from each house for Horacruxes.

[00:16:05] I feel like we did discuss that.

[00:16:07] Yeah.

[00:16:08] I just didn't know he had one already.

[00:16:09] Yeah, right, right.

[00:16:11] And then it feels like-

[00:16:12] I didn't even get it though.

[00:16:15] Like how did he find it?

[00:16:17] Well, he got her to say where it was.

[00:16:20] Oh, cause he's charming.

[00:16:21] Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:22] That's right.

[00:16:23] And I think we kind of wondered that this whole time

[00:16:27] why the kids seem to just ignore ghosts

[00:16:30] and even like moaning Myrtle who like wants to be their friend.

[00:16:34] They don't seem to care that much about

[00:16:36] where we're thinking once they go to a death day party

[00:16:39] we're like talk to these ghosts.

[00:16:40] I know for sure.

[00:16:41] They probably have all these like awesome stories

[00:16:43] of like the past and this castle.

[00:16:44] That was the one thing that we did say about that chapter

[00:16:46] were like, go talk to the ghosts

[00:16:47] or so they have such interesting stories.

[00:16:49] And so if they had talked a little more

[00:16:51] I feel like they would have had more information

[00:16:52] about the castle, magic history,

[00:16:54] like but like they don't really care

[00:16:56] about magical history but we're like that's awesome.

[00:16:59] It would have been fun in the death day chapter

[00:17:01] if you got like a line where the bloody Baron came in

[00:17:03] and there was like a there was another ghost

[00:17:05] giving him a, you know, a dark look in the corner.

[00:17:07] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:17:08] What the heck is going on there?

[00:17:09] And then all of a sudden that's a call back to this.

[00:17:10] That would be awesome.

[00:17:11] That would be fun.

[00:17:14] So I think some of that stuff is a little weird.

[00:17:16] I'm wondering with was Voldemort's goal

[00:17:20] just to apply for the job

[00:17:22] and not even to get it

[00:17:24] because he already got what he wanted

[00:17:25] or did he have plans to put this diadem somewhere else?

[00:17:30] No, I think he had plans to put the diadem

[00:17:32] in the room of requirement.

[00:17:33] I think that was his ultimate plan.

[00:17:34] I think he actually did genuinely want the job too.

[00:17:37] There's a little bit of debate about this.

[00:17:39] Oh, okay.

[00:17:40] But that would have made me just been not a bonus.

[00:17:43] He really wanted the job.

[00:17:44] He really wanted to hide the diadem

[00:17:46] but he could have done more if he had the job.

[00:17:48] Cause he is all about magical education.

[00:17:50] Yeah, which is so weird.

[00:17:51] He just wants to do it his way.

[00:17:53] He waits till the end of the school year

[00:17:55] every single time to attack

[00:17:56] after they're done with their finals.

[00:17:57] He's like, all right, now I can go.

[00:17:59] It's time.

[00:18:01] But I think he actually genuinely wanted the job.

[00:18:03] That's why he cursed it when he didn't get it.

[00:18:09] And maybe he really just wanted the job again

[00:18:12] for what it says here

[00:18:13] so he can look for the sword

[00:18:15] or look for the Gryffindor object.

[00:18:16] Maybe he really just wanted to be in the castle

[00:18:18] for that reason.

[00:18:19] But I think he kind of wanted it.

[00:18:21] This is Dumbledore blame.

[00:18:22] Did he blame himself for creating Voldemort?

[00:18:26] I think a little bit

[00:18:27] because doesn't he say that to Harry?

[00:18:30] Yeah.

[00:18:31] At some point he kind of says,

[00:18:32] I wondered if I should have just never gotten him

[00:18:35] from the orphanage.

[00:18:38] Yeah, cause I wonder what would have.

[00:18:40] Yeah, like what would have happened if he didn't.

[00:18:43] And maybe that's a big question in general.

[00:18:45] Same thing with Harry.

[00:18:46] If he never got a letter to Hogwarts

[00:18:48] would he know that he was magical at some point?

[00:18:51] Would he come to terms with it

[00:18:52] after he appears on rooftops

[00:18:54] or talks to snakes a few times?

[00:18:55] Then it was like something's weird with me.

[00:18:57] And maybe he would never mention it

[00:18:59] but just would go about a normal life

[00:19:00] and like kind of slowly

[00:19:02] or maybe he would develop his own kind of waggingy thing

[00:19:04] and wandless and whatever.

[00:19:07] But I don't know.

[00:19:08] Or well, it's hard to say.

[00:19:12] And Dumbledore what he thinks about Voldemort

[00:19:15] what would have happened?

[00:19:15] Would he become a serial killer of Muggles?

[00:19:19] Maybe he wouldn't have the power

[00:19:21] cause he wouldn't know how to use it.

[00:19:23] Yeah, but maybe that could be even more dangerous.

[00:19:25] I don't know.

[00:19:26] Or the same thing like we are kind of saying with Ariana

[00:19:30] if you don't use your magic

[00:19:32] like does it fade or turn in on itself or whatever

[00:19:36] could some of that have happened with Voldemort

[00:19:37] after a certain amount of time?

[00:19:39] Like if you don't use it

[00:19:40] and then you're of age, it fades away or whatever

[00:19:44] we just don't know.

[00:19:44] So it is strange.

[00:19:48] I'm also confused why Dumbledore couldn't reverse the curse

[00:19:52] on the dark arts defense against the dark arts professor.

[00:19:57] It almost feels like they didn't know it was there

[00:19:59] but after a certain number of years

[00:20:00] they should have picked up on it.

[00:20:02] You know, it's like, oh wow

[00:20:02] we lose a professor every single year.

[00:20:08] It's more than just chance at a certain point.

[00:20:12] How do you uncurse something?

[00:20:13] That's an interesting question.

[00:20:14] And I mean, I know Voldemort's really good

[00:20:16] so his curse must have been pretty intense.

[00:20:20] Can't you undo a curse?

[00:20:21] And what is the curse on?

[00:20:22] Just the idea of the teacher or is it on the room?

[00:20:25] Is it something in that room, in that space, in the castle?

[00:20:31] So yeah, I just left with some questions.

[00:20:36] But even if Dumbledore could or couldn't do it

[00:20:39] there might've been consequences

[00:20:40] but he said we'll just keep going with this.

[00:20:42] It's fine.

[00:20:43] But then he even puts people that he likes

[00:20:45] to loop in that position.

[00:20:46] So putting someone you like in the position

[00:20:48] of potentially, of under a curse.

[00:20:53] Yeah, it's kind of scary.

[00:20:54] Yeah, it's been intense.

[00:20:57] Would you have kept a few Slytherins captive?

[00:20:59] Because Everforth comes in and he's like

[00:21:01] how did you keep some of them captive?

[00:21:05] That's smart.

[00:21:07] Probably.

[00:21:08] I think you guys mentioned that in the chat

[00:21:09] you're like, yeah, he's got a good point for it.

[00:21:10] I just feel like letting them just go.

[00:21:12] Their parents are death eaters.

[00:21:14] Where are they gonna go?

[00:21:16] And how do you know they're gonna go?

[00:21:17] And then we saw it right here with Malfoy

[00:21:20] and Crab and Goyle, they didn't go.

[00:21:22] So now you got all these Slytherins

[00:21:23] just wandering around the castle.

[00:21:25] They're behind enemy lines

[00:21:26] and they're free to do what they want.

[00:21:28] That seems like a mistake.

[00:21:29] Now if you can banish them somehow

[00:21:33] you can send them away.

[00:21:35] You can send them to a room and someone wants to.

[00:21:36] Well yeah, you could lock them to a room too.

[00:21:38] But I'm just saying

[00:21:38] even if you weren't gonna keep them captive

[00:21:41] if you could shove them in the flu network

[00:21:42] and let them get whist away somewhere, maybe.

[00:21:46] But it felt weird to just,

[00:21:48] it seemed like they were just wandering out

[00:21:52] of their own volition.

[00:21:53] And that felt strange.

[00:21:57] And I hope that doesn't come back to bite us again.

[00:21:59] I know.

[00:22:00] They definitely,

[00:22:04] yeah there's even the point where

[00:22:07] if they did the use of flu network to get them out

[00:22:10] I was happy when Neville's grandma came through

[00:22:13] and she's like, oh I sealed it.

[00:22:14] Even though I'm like, oh they have no more reinforcements.

[00:22:16] And then you're like, okay they can't get attacked

[00:22:18] from behind, you know?

[00:22:19] It's great.

[00:22:19] And that's also a really cute moment.

[00:22:21] That was so fun.

[00:22:22] I know.

[00:22:23] That's one of my favorite lines in this whole chapter.

[00:22:26] She's like so proud.

[00:22:27] I was the last to come through

[00:22:28] who said Mrs. Longbottom, I sealed it.

[00:22:30] I think it unwise to leave it open

[00:22:31] now Aberforth has left his pub.

[00:22:34] Have you seen my grandson?

[00:22:36] He's fighting, said Harry.

[00:22:37] Naturally said the old lady proudly.

[00:22:40] Excuse me, I must go in a system.

[00:22:43] With surprising speech each brought it off

[00:22:44] for the stone steps.

[00:22:46] I know, I love that.

[00:22:47] I mean in a way it's kind of bad

[00:22:49] because it was like she kept,

[00:22:52] didn't she make him feel bad for not being strong

[00:22:54] or sticking up for himself and taking his parents way,

[00:23:02] the genes I guess, he was the opposite of the parents.

[00:23:05] Well I feel like that stuff is weird.

[00:23:09] Every human needs to go through hard times

[00:23:12] in order to be tough and whatever.

[00:23:14] And that's fine, but I think Grant just took it too far.

[00:23:18] And he was too young.

[00:23:20] So it's funny to see that Harry's approach

[00:23:22] was the gentle approach, the encouraging approach.

[00:23:25] And that seems to be what Neville actually needed.

[00:23:28] But maybe some of Grant's technique

[00:23:30] did work a little bit too.

[00:23:33] So I don't know.

[00:23:34] But I'm glad she's come around.

[00:23:37] Yeah, that's, yeah, I think you kind of said it well.

[00:23:40] It must have been hard for her because like Frank and Alice,

[00:23:46] her kids or like she's long bottom,

[00:23:50] so Frank's her son I'm guessing.

[00:23:52] And then Alice, her daughter-in-law,

[00:23:55] that's gotta be hard to see them go through that.

[00:23:57] And then I'm sure when Neville is coming,

[00:24:00] he's this shy kid and like she has to take care of him.

[00:24:04] It's probably gotta be tough for her.

[00:24:05] But at the same point, she's gotta be loving

[00:24:07] and like accept him for who he is.

[00:24:09] But there is a part two or I love this too.

[00:24:11] Like it's simultaneously like she's not a great guardian,

[00:24:18] but at the same point, I'm like, it is so cute

[00:24:20] that she's so proud of Neville now

[00:24:22] for Neville growing up to be just like his parents.

[00:24:25] I like to get choked up at this line

[00:24:27] every single time I read it.

[00:24:29] It's like Neville, you guys finally understand

[00:24:31] why I like Neville.

[00:24:32] He's like this kid that has such a good arc.

[00:24:36] He goes from being shy and nervous

[00:24:38] to being such a good courageous person.

[00:24:40] Yeah, yeah, seriously, huge growth.

[00:24:45] Like the most that we see I think.

[00:24:47] Yeah, honestly.

[00:24:48] Which is so great.

[00:24:50] And then even Grant coming around, you know?

[00:24:51] I know.

[00:24:52] And there, this is like a chapter

[00:24:53] you get a lot of arcs of the characters too,

[00:24:56] like Crab and Goyle, like Crab being able

[00:24:58] to like do this stuff with the fiend fire.

[00:25:00] And like he's truly turned out like dark and nasty

[00:25:03] when he was just quiet before,

[00:25:05] even the way he's talking to Malfoy,

[00:25:07] he's like, oh, he's like you got your family's done.

[00:25:09] He's like, we're the ones that are in charge now.

[00:25:11] We don't have to listen to you.

[00:25:12] Like, dang, Crab like getting to this point

[00:25:14] is pretty intense.

[00:25:16] And that's like a classic evil thing

[00:25:17] of like betraying his friend

[00:25:19] that he was supporting this whole time.

[00:25:21] And it was just of, you know, a desire for power

[00:25:24] because the Malfoys had power then.

[00:25:25] And then all of a sudden when something changes,

[00:25:28] there's no loyalty.

[00:25:30] So yeah, it kind of stinks.

[00:25:31] And it's like again, why you always say,

[00:25:33] why would anyone want to be evil

[00:25:34] or like aligned with these people?

[00:25:36] But it is like they're all just jockeying for power.

[00:25:39] So even though Voldemort is the one with the ultimate power,

[00:25:42] it's like they all just want a piece of that power.

[00:25:44] Yeah, you're right.

[00:25:45] It's weird, they almost know they're not gonna get it,

[00:25:48] but they're still so deluded

[00:25:49] that they think they're gonna get some of it.

[00:25:51] It is the ongoing question this podcast is.

[00:25:55] Why do people follow him?

[00:25:56] There is not a great answer for that one.

[00:25:59] He never rewards anything though.

[00:26:01] That's so bad.

[00:26:02] He tortures him if they do anything wrong.

[00:26:04] It's like you're on eggshells around this guy.

[00:26:08] I thought it was weird that Harry was giving his conclusions

[00:26:12] of everything out loud to the Grey Lady,

[00:26:16] but didn't wait long enough for her to confirm anything.

[00:26:18] He was just like, I think it was this,

[00:26:20] and it was this, and it was this.

[00:26:21] And then he goes, I was like, oh, I really hope he's right.

[00:26:23] Because it all happened so fast.

[00:26:25] I'm like, just wait for something.

[00:26:27] But I feel like she didn't even nod her head or anything.

[00:26:30] I was hoping she would confirm it,

[00:26:32] and I was worried it would lead to something bad,

[00:26:34] but then all right, it all worked out.

[00:26:36] It's all kind of, I mean, they were being watched.

[00:26:39] That is Harry too.

[00:26:40] He's like reckless when he has his mindset on something.

[00:26:43] He's convinced that he has that.

[00:26:45] This plays, I think it's a good contrast

[00:26:48] in this chapter between that moment

[00:26:49] where you're like, Harry, just wait

[00:26:50] and confirm these things.

[00:26:51] Because he's rash and he just does something.

[00:26:53] So the other good moment in this chapter

[00:26:55] where he literally saves Malphoy Crab and Goyal's life

[00:26:57] or tries to save Crab's life.

[00:26:59] Because he's like rash, he's like, we have to do this.

[00:27:01] And you love him for that

[00:27:02] and you love him for the other reason too,

[00:27:04] but it's like, this is who Harry truly is.

[00:27:06] He has a saving people complex

[00:27:08] and when he's convinced about something, he goes for it.

[00:27:11] Yep, yep.

[00:27:12] And even later, like the next page,

[00:27:15] Hagrid comes in, which is of course great.

[00:27:18] And he's like, where are we going?

[00:27:19] And Harry says, I don't know exactly.

[00:27:22] And he makes making another random turn.

[00:27:25] So it just, Harry feels like he's just running

[00:27:27] around the castle.

[00:27:29] But Rod and Hermione must be around here somewhere.

[00:27:31] And again, it's like, I just wrote following instincts

[00:27:34] because that's what, wait, who said that?

[00:27:36] Lupin said to him, I think.

[00:27:37] So his instincts are good.

[00:27:39] And I'm like, we'll take the map out, but he doesn't.

[00:27:41] But it was again, just trusting his instincts

[00:27:45] and it tends to work out pretty well for him.

[00:27:48] Yeah.

[00:27:49] Yeah, Harry's character is pretty remarkable for this.

[00:27:52] Cercadigan or Cedogan, Cedagan.

[00:27:55] Running alongside him.

[00:27:57] I thought that was so great.

[00:27:59] Yeah.

[00:28:00] Again, not much he can do.

[00:28:02] That was so good.

[00:28:03] When Harry was running in a hallway, yeah, yeah.

[00:28:05] He's the night that he was.

[00:28:07] Yeah, that's true.

[00:28:08] When the fat lady got torn by Sirius Black,

[00:28:11] he was a replacement.

[00:28:12] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:28:13] And so he's come up with a couple of things.

[00:28:16] But I just, there's not much they can do except communicate.

[00:28:19] They can spread word.

[00:28:20] So the painting should be running around.

[00:28:22] They're over here.

[00:28:23] Yeah, that's what's going on here.

[00:28:24] That's communication is so cool right there.

[00:28:25] And I feel like that should happen.

[00:28:26] Spying on them.

[00:28:27] Yeah.

[00:28:28] Yeah.

[00:28:30] But other than that, it's not much they can do.

[00:28:32] But that's moral support.

[00:28:33] It's good encouragement.

[00:28:38] Yeah, there's not a ton left to talk about in this chapter.

[00:28:41] I want to talk about it.

[00:28:42] Well, not a ton left to talk about in this chapter.

[00:28:44] I want to know what you think about is the Horcrux actually destroyed?

[00:28:50] And if it's destroyed as Nagini, the last one,

[00:28:52] they just have to destroy Nagini and they're it.

[00:28:56] Let me look at my list.

[00:28:57] Yes, I think so.

[00:28:58] I think it was destroyed because it made that sound.

[00:29:01] And then it was a cursed fire and Hermione was like, oh yeah.

[00:29:05] It's like cursed magic or evil magic.

[00:29:08] So that would make sense that it's destroyed.

[00:29:12] And Nagini is the last one because they did everything else.

[00:29:18] Wait, the goblet though.

[00:29:21] Was that destroyed?

[00:29:22] Oh yeah, Hermione did it with the Basilisk venom, which I called.

[00:29:30] Yeah.

[00:29:34] The next, I'm going to say this to you just to help you guys.

[00:29:37] The next two chapters in the smattering of your guys predictions,

[00:29:44] you guys have nailed a few things that we will get to in the next two

[00:29:48] chapters.

[00:29:49] Maganical really is Harry's grandma.

[00:29:50] Some of you guys, some of I'm not going to say who, but one of you

[00:29:53] is really right in one chapter and one of you is really right

[00:29:56] in the next chapter.

[00:29:57] Oh, nice.

[00:29:58] All right. Good.

[00:30:00] What the?

[00:30:01] I'm so curious what it is.

[00:30:02] Okay.

[00:30:03] Yeah, I have Nagini as being the last one.

[00:30:07] Okay.

[00:30:08] But I'm still thinking there could be more to this only because

[00:30:16] we keep saying that Voldemort is the last one and we've speculated

[00:30:22] what if Harry is like an accidental one?

[00:30:24] And I thought that made sense for a little bit and now I'm

[00:30:26] like leaning away from that because it feels like silly.

[00:30:29] Like that would only happen if he knew and he brought another

[00:30:32] object that could have been a Horcrux, but then it didn't

[00:30:35] happen unless Wormtail picked it.

[00:30:37] I don't know.

[00:30:38] So then I thought, but what if he actually did make a seventh one

[00:30:42] and just we just never heard about it?

[00:30:47] I guess what I'm trying to say is he doesn't have a Gryffindor

[00:30:50] object.

[00:30:51] Yeah.

[00:30:52] So that he kind of needs one.

[00:30:53] And so I'm like,

[00:30:54] What would his grip?

[00:30:55] Who would what would his Gryffindor object be?

[00:30:57] Well, it was probably going to be Harry.

[00:31:00] Like his whole family were Gryffindor.

[00:31:04] So it would be interesting if he was like, oh, I'm going to kill

[00:31:07] Harry and then create a Horcrux.

[00:31:09] That's the Gryffindor.

[00:31:11] It's a little gross, but what if he was going to use Harry's

[00:31:15] skull as the Horcrux?

[00:31:18] His binky.

[00:31:21] Did Harry have a binky at that point?

[00:31:23] Maybe he had a blankie, a really special blankie.

[00:31:25] Well, he does have a special blankie.

[00:31:29] But only because there needs to be a Gryffindor object.

[00:31:33] So it makes me think that Voldemort was planning on doing

[00:31:36] that and it could still be the sort of Gryffindor or it could

[00:31:39] be something else that is like a curveball, whether it's

[00:31:42] the invisibility cloak doesn't make sense because Harry

[00:31:45] would have been like, we just saw like evil coming out

[00:31:48] of the Horcruxes.

[00:31:49] And so whatever it is, even the sort of Gryffindor doesn't

[00:31:52] seem to make sense, but what else could it be?

[00:31:55] So anyways, I'm curious and skeptical and it would not

[00:32:01] surprise me if Voldemort did not think I'm number seven.

[00:32:05] I want seven.

[00:32:06] Seven's the round number that I'm looking for.

[00:32:08] I want seven objects, which would be each of the four

[00:32:11] houses plus the journal and Nagini and the locket

[00:32:20] of House Gone.

[00:32:21] Interesting.

[00:32:22] So yeah, I'm just curious and that's what I'm kind of

[00:32:25] waiting for.

[00:32:28] But they still, regardless, they still have to destroy

[00:32:30] Nagini, which I don't know how they're going to get

[00:32:32] to.

[00:32:33] And they're nervous about this fire stuff.

[00:32:35] So that's why it's weird too where I'm like, I don't

[00:32:38] know.

[00:32:39] Yeah.

[00:32:40] It won't be that hard for Harry.

[00:32:42] Yeah.

[00:32:43] They come together.

[00:32:44] Yeah.

[00:32:45] But if this fire is so crazy and deadly and like weird,

[00:32:48] can you just do it on a whole army or is that just,

[00:32:51] you don't want to let it out?

[00:32:53] There's actually debate.

[00:32:55] Some people say the room requirement is so strong it

[00:32:57] heals itself.

[00:32:58] But I would say it's maybe a more, I don't know, majority

[00:33:01] opinion, but that the room requirement is actually

[00:33:05] destroyed after this and that they cannot use it

[00:33:07] from this point on, which is kind of sad.

[00:33:09] Like, yeah, wouldn't that be crazy?

[00:33:11] Like it is just a room of fire lava, whatever.

[00:33:14] Like you can't open it.

[00:33:15] Yeah.

[00:33:16] It wouldn't surprise me.

[00:33:18] Like, especially if there were, it was magical charms

[00:33:20] that allowed it to open and this fire destroys magic

[00:33:24] stuff mostly except for a few objects on the floor.

[00:33:28] So then whatever charms allowed it to exist to begin

[00:33:31] with might have been destroyed.

[00:33:34] So yeah, it could be destroyed, disappeared, whatever.

[00:33:36] It could be gone.

[00:33:40] But they have some basilisk fangs and they can,

[00:33:44] they can get stabbing.

[00:33:46] Yeah, just start stabbing randomly.

[00:33:48] Yeah.

[00:33:49] Let's just get like a cannon and like the astronomy tower

[00:33:52] you're pumping them out, Nagini.

[00:33:56] All right.

[00:33:57] Let me just scan through.

[00:33:59] Oh, Ron mimicking parcel tongues.

[00:34:02] I know.

[00:34:03] I know.

[00:34:04] That was a pro move right there.

[00:34:05] I'm proud of him.

[00:34:07] That was a great move.

[00:34:09] Set them free.

[00:34:11] Oh, Dabi and the house elves.

[00:34:13] We haven't seen them come out yet and I don't know what's going

[00:34:15] on.

[00:34:16] They could have all left already, but do something to make

[00:34:18] sure that they can either help or leave.

[00:34:20] It's lovely.

[00:34:21] Give them pass out some clothing, you know.

[00:34:23] I hope they're already free.

[00:34:24] But anyways.

[00:34:31] Yeah, even, even the next chapter is called the elder

[00:34:34] wand and the artwork in that is very ominous.

[00:34:37] So what are your predictions for what's going to

[00:34:40] happen in the next chapter?

[00:34:42] We're going to learn about it.

[00:34:48] All our theories are going to be answered.

[00:34:51] I hope don't kill him.

[00:34:54] I'm not fully able to crap.

[00:34:56] All right, sorry.

[00:34:57] Yeah, what do you think?

[00:35:00] That's what I think.

[00:35:02] No, you got more than that.

[00:35:04] Oh, there were so many theories.

[00:35:07] I remember.

[00:35:08] Is this going to be like, you know, the Danny's going to

[00:35:11] this and Lord of the Rings when, you know, they're fighting

[00:35:14] at the beginning of the movie where it's like, oh, victory

[00:35:16] was near at hand, but the power of the ring will not be

[00:35:18] undone.

[00:35:19] And like, Sarah comes out and just destroys half the army.

[00:35:22] Is it going to be like that?

[00:35:23] Or were like everyone else is doing Voldemort's work now

[00:35:25] and then all of a sudden Voldemort comes out the

[00:35:27] elder wand and it doesn't look pretty.

[00:35:31] Great comparison.

[00:35:32] Yeah, maybe.

[00:35:34] But then a part of me thinks that Harry is the

[00:35:36] better wizard and doesn't it want to be with the

[00:35:38] better wizard?

[00:35:39] Hmm.

[00:35:40] So would it work?

[00:35:42] Like I just picture it being like a magnet, like Voldemort

[00:35:44] goes to use it against him and then it like turns on

[00:35:47] him and goes to Harry.

[00:35:49] Well, that's actually a really interesting idea.

[00:35:51] Like it chooses the power of more powerful wizard,

[00:35:53] but it chooses more powerful wizard based on if

[00:35:55] they've disarmed the person or one of them beat

[00:35:57] them in combat, which Harry always uses

[00:36:01] expelliarmus.

[00:36:02] Yeah.

[00:36:03] So.

[00:36:04] Yep.

[00:36:05] That's like has he beaten Voldemort?

[00:36:08] But that was before he had the elder wand.

[00:36:10] Yeah, yeah.

[00:36:11] So that kind of trumps it.

[00:36:13] I don't know.

[00:36:14] I just feel like Harry is different.

[00:36:16] So like he's got all these like ancient magic

[00:36:18] protections.

[00:36:19] All the protections.

[00:36:21] And he has the cloak.

[00:36:22] So I'm like, I think the cloak can protect him

[00:36:24] from the elder wand because it seems as though

[00:36:27] it's part of that deathly hallows thing.

[00:36:32] And can they use those things against each other?

[00:36:35] Because we've never seen that in the stories.

[00:36:38] Yeah.

[00:36:39] Right?

[00:36:40] Can they use it?

[00:36:42] Yeah, he just needs to run around at the

[00:36:44] visibility cloak and he's going to be safe from

[00:36:46] the elder wand.

[00:36:47] Everyone else is going to get destroyed.

[00:36:48] It's too bad you can't make the

[00:36:50] invisibility cloak huge.

[00:36:53] Like isn't there a thing to blow it up?

[00:36:55] Like make it bigger?

[00:36:56] Yeah.

[00:36:57] Cover the whole castle.

[00:36:58] Cover the whole like room.

[00:37:00] It does seem resistance to certain kinds of magic.

[00:37:02] Like they really say accio cloak and it doesn't

[00:37:04] come so I'm sure it'd be resistance to that.

[00:37:06] Why not try it though?

[00:37:08] Let's just get the castle real quick.

[00:37:10] Everyone under the invisibility cloak will

[00:37:12] sneak around.

[00:37:13] Yeah, I feel like we haven't seen

[00:37:15] Voldemort in action yet.

[00:37:17] Maybe Dumbledore come back to life.

[00:37:22] Yeah, could there be anything like because

[00:37:24] that's what we keep saying too.

[00:37:25] What has Dumbledore done to prepare

[00:37:27] the castle, Harry, the teachers, other

[00:37:30] students, you know, Hogwarts will help you if you ask.

[00:37:33] Like oh yeah what's the close?

[00:37:35] Like all of these things that we...

[00:37:37] That's a good point.

[00:37:39] That is something we can sink our teeth into.

[00:37:41] Dumbledore set something up and when it

[00:37:43] closes the snitch opens and something

[00:37:46] is revealed and so...

[00:37:48] Maybe the wands in there.

[00:37:50] Maybe the real ones in a snitch.

[00:37:52] It's like a magic trick he pulls it out.

[00:37:54] The elder wand, the real elder wand.

[00:37:56] Yeah, but the only way a fake elder wand

[00:37:59] could be out there is if

[00:38:01] Ollivander was doing it and I just...

[00:38:04] Ollivander left me a little bit like...

[00:38:06] We also couldn't keep track of who actually had

[00:38:10] the elder wand.

[00:38:12] It's still part of me Grindelwald

[00:38:14] thing or whatever.

[00:38:16] I mean you guys have theorized about that before

[00:38:18] of who is the actual owner of the elder wand.

[00:38:20] You said Grindelwald I think.

[00:38:22] I forgot who else you said.

[00:38:24] I said the Switzerland town.

[00:38:27] The Switzerland town.

[00:38:29] I think it's weird

[00:38:32] because in my mind no matter who owns it

[00:38:36] it's owned by the person who is holding it

[00:38:39] because in a weird way like

[00:38:41] no matter what if you're holding it

[00:38:43] you want it, you got it, you defeated

[00:38:46] or whatever somebody to get it

[00:38:49] but taking it off Dumbledore's body

[00:38:52] feels weird.

[00:38:54] So that would be the only part where it's confusing.

[00:39:00] So is it even something like the ring?

[00:39:02] I mean we keep going back to Lord of the Rings analogies

[00:39:04] where it talks about how it abandoned

[00:39:06] Gallum to his death because it's like

[00:39:08] seeking the next person that it can go to

[00:39:10] almost or it's like seeking its one true master.

[00:39:13] Which to Jen's theory it could be Harry.

[00:39:15] Harry could be the one true master of the elder wand

[00:39:17] but in another sense it is

[00:39:21] like is Voldemort taking it from a dead body

[00:39:24] does that make him the actual master of it?

[00:39:27] I mean there's something about even the series

[00:39:29] about like the idea of death and maybe it's such a

[00:39:31] desecration that the elder wand chooses him

[00:39:33] because it is like a victory over him

[00:39:35] but I don't know.

[00:39:37] Whatever just works against him

[00:39:39] like he messed up something.

[00:39:43] Yeah, I'm...

[00:39:45] I don't know who it could...

[00:39:48] Or it's not real and he thinks he has the power

[00:39:50] so then if you are prideful that you think

[00:39:53] you're going to win you're not as

[00:39:56] like strong or aware of things.

[00:39:59] You know if you're not unlike the Defendant

[00:40:01] you're like I'm just gonna beat you.

[00:40:03] Oh yeah.

[00:40:04] I don't know if it's not real.

[00:40:06] That is his biggest issue is pride.

[00:40:08] Even like him thinking the room of requirement

[00:40:10] was only like something that he found out

[00:40:12] it's just ridiculous.

[00:40:13] Ron after he makes out with Hermione

[00:40:15] is like oh this is ridiculous

[00:40:17] he thought he was the only one that had access to it

[00:40:19] so like he's not even thinking straight

[00:40:21] because he's so about with Hermione.

[00:40:23] And then even Ron knows that it's ridiculous

[00:40:25] that he thought he was the only one

[00:40:27] with access to the room of requirement

[00:40:29] which is just ludicrous.

[00:40:31] And it is funny that maybe the room of requirement

[00:40:33] went unused for a long time

[00:40:35] and there might have been things like that

[00:40:37] and like maybe whole batches of students

[00:40:39] never opened it

[00:40:41] and then it became normal for anyone in Dumbledore's armies

[00:40:43] they're like oh come on this is obvious

[00:40:46] so it's possible it was more unique in Voldemort's day

[00:40:49] but it is still so prideful

[00:40:52] and we love that because it's blinding him

[00:40:54] and I'm just thinking of

[00:40:56] the order of who had the wand

[00:40:59] Dumbledore must have been the rightful holder of it

[00:41:02] but I'm just curious how

[00:41:05] how the wand's loyalty would go from there

[00:41:07] and if it would go

[00:41:09] to Snape

[00:41:10] or to Malfoy

[00:41:12] Malfoy disarmed him

[00:41:14] Snape killed him

[00:41:16] so both of those are like

[00:41:18] potentially

[00:41:20] could be rightful owners of the wand

[00:41:22] Oh you think Snape gets it

[00:41:24] and then turns on Voldemort

[00:41:26] But would Snape even know that he's the rightful owner

[00:41:29] or is he even the rightful owner?

[00:41:31] I thought that was his plan this whole time

[00:41:32] And then the other thing is

[00:41:34] Harry Malfoy and Boyle

[00:41:36] now have like a life debt to Harry

[00:41:38] Right?

[00:41:39] And we don't know if life debt is really like a magic thing

[00:41:42] or if it's a Muggle magic

[00:41:44] Yeah he did

[00:41:45] but then when we saw it

[00:41:46] the only time we've seen it, Wormtail

[00:41:47] But with Wormtail

[00:41:48] all it did is make him hesitate

[00:41:50] for a split second

[00:41:51] and then his own arm turned against him

[00:41:53] because Voldemort gave it to him

[00:41:54] So is the light set a real thing

[00:41:56] that requires like resolution?

[00:41:58] Or is it just like an idea

[00:42:00] of like there's a certain guilt

[00:42:02] when someone saved your life?

[00:42:04] No one knows about the ancient magic so

[00:42:06] Yeah it is, it's ancient magic

[00:42:08] so is that enough

[00:42:10] like if Malfoy is the rightful owner

[00:42:12] does he have to now like

[00:42:15] or by saving Malfoy's life

[00:42:18] does Harry become the owner?

[00:42:21] We'll figure out

[00:42:22] we're in the next chapter

[00:42:23] We're gonna do a live read

[00:42:24] but real quick

[00:42:25] Maybe Macanagall gets it

[00:42:26] Yeah real quick

[00:42:27] tell me who your favorite character is

[00:42:29] who wins the Hot Tamale in this chapter

[00:42:30] and what is your favorite moment?

[00:42:36] I feel like it's been a while

[00:42:37] since we listened to this chapter

[00:42:38] but

[00:42:44] I mean learning more about the Diadem

[00:42:46] and who killed the Bloody Baron

[00:42:48] and all that stuff

[00:42:49] That was a good moment

[00:42:51] Yeah not a not so good moment

[00:42:54] but I like learning more

[00:42:59] Yeah I loved that moment

[00:43:01] I also loved Fred joking with Percy

[00:43:04] at the end

[00:43:05] when Percy comes back

[00:43:07] you're like

[00:43:08] but it's so great that they're joking

[00:43:10] and Fred's last thing is having fun with his brother

[00:43:13] That's great

[00:43:16] Yeah at least before he died

[00:43:18] I know

[00:43:19] I feel like the

[00:43:21] my favorite moment was probably

[00:43:23] right after the Room of Requirement

[00:43:25] with the fire and all that

[00:43:26] and Harry had saved people

[00:43:28] so seeing Harry kind of in his

[00:43:30] in his sweet spot of like

[00:43:32] action, saving people

[00:43:34] making moves

[00:43:37] but I don't know Ron and Hermione running off

[00:43:39] and thinking of the

[00:43:41] Basilisk Fangs

[00:43:42] all that stuff I think was great too

[00:43:44] so it's hard to choose

[00:43:45] but destroying the Horcrux and the fire

[00:43:47] and leaving and

[00:43:49] Yeah I think that was all this chapter

[00:43:51] Well we hear about it in this chapter

[00:43:57] Yeah but I'm trying to think of who's the

[00:44:00] who gets the house cup

[00:44:02] It's tough

[00:44:04] I wanna just give it to Fred

[00:44:06] I know I know

[00:44:08] for fighting till the death

[00:44:09] but I think Fred deserves it from me

[00:44:13] That's fair

[00:44:14] And there are a lot of people doing

[00:44:16] doing great things

[00:44:17] Yeah I know this is a great

[00:44:18] Yeah

[00:44:20] You can just give it to everyone fighting

[00:44:21] for how it works right now

[00:44:22] Yeah

[00:44:23] Yeah because I think

[00:44:25] Fred paid the ultimate price

[00:44:28] so yeah we can definitely give it to Fred

[00:44:30] I'm happy with that

[00:44:32] I'm giving a hot tamale to Neville

[00:44:34] because he's the best

[00:44:36] His grandma

[00:44:37] Yeah Neville's grandma

[00:44:40] Ron Hermione making out

[00:44:41] That's hot tamale stuff too

[00:44:42] Yeah that is hot tamale energy right there

[00:44:48] Yep

[00:44:49] Can't get hotter than that

[00:44:51] I know

[00:44:52] Well we are gonna listen so

[00:44:54] if you're listening to this podcast late

[00:44:55] just go check out our YouTube channel

[00:44:57] because we are doing a live read

[00:44:58] of the next two chapters

[00:44:59] which are two great chapters

[00:45:00] Everyone who's a Harry Potter fanatic

[00:45:03] knows the next two chapters are fantastic

[00:45:05] so

[00:45:07] Thanks for joining us

[00:45:08] joining us on this journey

[00:45:10] of Harry Potter and the first time readers

[00:45:27] Everyone is very very excited for this chapter

[00:45:29] This is the moment that I've been saying

[00:45:31] every single podcast that this is where the books get really good

[00:45:35] These chapters until the rest of it is it

[00:45:37] This is the culmination of everything

[00:45:39] These chapters are the ones