Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: Ch 9-13

[00:00:00] So you want to hash things out from book two. You have thoughts and opinions on something that happened in book two. I have a theory that I don't know if it's true or not, but I was wondering if the journal is a horcrux.

[00:00:15] Why would you say that? Because it has Voldemort in it and then it just feels right to me that like he destroyed the horcrux and then like the horcrux is only destroyed by like the dark power of the Basilisk anyway You know, why are you laughing at me?

[00:00:40] But I don't know it just made sense to me I was like maybe you need like darkness to destroy darkness and then it's like the ring maybe He gets to like the end book and Dumbledore's like, oh well

[00:00:54] You actually already killed one of the horcruxes and then he's just like great like one down however many more to go But tell me confirm or deny it for you. I don't know. Is that like totally wrong? No, it's uh It's an interesting theory. It's very interesting

[00:01:15] Okay, keep going You Are crazy with So it does have a lot of dark Qualities to it. Do you remember how you kill a horcrux? Stab it with the tooth No, I don't remember I think it's like no I don't I

[00:01:47] Don't know if I want to spoil any of this stuff for you Well, you know just say it's not a horcrux then cuz I feel like you're getting at that it is a horcrux It is a horcrux

[00:01:59] So you crushed the game on that one, okay, cuz my other thought was that I was Saying something about it and I was like, I think what's throwing us off and I used us and then I was like

[00:02:10] There's no way that John is confused about anything right now. He's literally just lying through his teeth About this whole thing I was like we were just discussing whether or not it was like actually

[00:02:25] Voldemort's soul or Tom Riddle's soul, but you didn't give me anything really that was like proving it was a horcrux It just kind of dawned on me randomly. I was like he's probably gonna get to the end and be like, okay You already did one, which is great

[00:02:40] But then I was like maybe there's one in every book if there's seven and I couldn't really figure out if there was anything that Happened in one that would be Horcrux cuz I don't remember him like destroying anything. What about the sorcerer stone?

[00:02:52] Do you think the sorcerer stone is it could be a horcrux or the philosopher stone as the Brits know it by? Because it was destroyed but But I don't think Voldemort ever got his hands on it. That was the whole thing

[00:03:08] You know cuz if he had it he would be living forever But he doesn't have it. Oh Well so I Was corrected on this a few months ago

[00:03:22] Because it is a little bit tricky to understand and we'll talk about these this kind of conversation more in like the sixth book Which is really horcrux centered. Yeah, cuz it hasn't even entered. Yeah, this is all like random memory But how do you think horcruxes work?

[00:03:38] Maybe that's my question They preserve his Voldemort's life Um, yes, so Doesn't he have to do some big like ritual thing? Like a little there goes my soul Like exactly that's actually what they do. There's they say boop in the books

[00:04:06] Yeah, I thought there was like some big ritual and then his soul Like went into it and that's why he's such in such a fragile state is because he's like a seventh of a person you know, hmm and

[00:04:22] Then I thought cuz I'm still like I we haven't revisited horcruxes yet on my reread Yeah so I Was like is Voldemort ever trying to like gather up his horcruxes and like put the puzzle pieces back together and then be a whole Person there's there's difficult a

[00:04:46] Horcrux discussion is difficult because some of the language that you she used You have to use some of the language that she used but the idea of splitting your soul. Mm-hmm is a bit more metaphorical than it is

[00:05:00] Actually, it's not but he is in a full body he is whole in his body, but he's not exactly whole in his soul There you go Poetry I know there you go So it's like he is still a complete entity

[00:05:16] But he's not at the same time I thought he wasn't whole in body Well when he's kind of floating around he's not because he's like he's a soul Floating around like his soul. So this is the this is the word that

[00:05:30] We use when we describe horcruxes is that they tether your soul to earth Okay, so essentially what is happening is When he dies when his body is slain like it was when he tried to kill Harry's parents He cannot escape this earth because horcruxes are

[00:05:52] Keeping him bound to this earth. Wait, but like he didn't die when he killed Harry's parents He did how but he didn't because he ran away. Oh, so he had made the horcruxes already Yeah, so that was like Yeah, so he didn't necessarily die but he became like

[00:06:15] Like super weak he was like in a weak form and so even between book one and book two So like when he kind of rises back to power and is like a parasite on the back of Quirrell's head

[00:06:28] So crazy. Yeah, I know that's like his form. He still tethers of the earth. So Horcruxes just tether your soul to earth, but there's other magical ways that you can regain a body So like as long as those horcruxes are here on earth

[00:06:43] he would forever have a chance to come back if some dark wizard wanted to like Bring him back. Can he just go to like a body? That's been kissed by a dementor and like inhabit the

[00:06:55] Husk that's actually fascinating because that's literally an empty shell and he's just a soul Perfect world and he should be able to convince the dementor pretty easily to go kiss somebody

[00:07:13] Crestacean in a new shell, you know, but then he'd be super depressed when he entered that he had a pee would have to defeat Depression before he defeated Harry Potter. That would be his first battle No, I feel like he's so dark that he would be unaffected yeah

[00:07:28] That's actually a great question cuz serious was just so convinced that he was innocent that he was like basically unaffected Yeah, so if you're the Dark Lord, I Don't know how I know That's a great question how much would he be affected if he came into

[00:07:47] Azkaban and was like tortured in Azkaban Fantastic question, I Don't have the answer for you I don't know though I don't know the many ways in which you can actually come back in the book We see a few different ways of how you can come back

[00:08:02] But the fourth book gives like the actual not the actual like the most Concrete way that you can come back that we've ever gotten in the books. So you're gonna see that in a few

[00:08:15] Weeks or days or however long it takes to read that like how he actually comes back It's really fascinating, but we don't have a ton

[00:08:22] But those are all just ways that you can come back that they it's not like you have to put a horcrux in like a Potion and the horcrux then you rise from the horcrux But there is a lot of confusion on that

[00:08:33] Because the diary seemed like it was exactly that like you use the diary to regain a body So it was diary was a little weird. So Yeah, and it's weird how the diaries the actual horcrux if he was kind of just like

[00:08:46] Using that as a stepping stone to get a body. Yeah for sure Wait, so is this the sorcerer stone isn't one? Huh? Okay Yeah, and then I was listening to Just the first chapter of four on the podcast today

[00:09:03] Mm-hmm, and you asked the first time readers you asked them You asked them how do you think Voldemort keeps staying alive? So then I was like, maybe he hasn't made all the horcruxes yet

[00:09:15] And maybe he like keeps dividing but I don't know. I'm just in a weird space of like what I have Like the neurons are firing, but you don't know There's no they're just going Like horcruxes, oh For that And remember the questions that I'm asking them are

[00:09:38] Stuff that you don't know yet. So I asked the first-timers. How do you think Voldemort is staying alive? So there they take guesses about horcruxes Like cuz they don't know so on it though. Like some of the stuff they say is crazy

[00:09:50] You should yeah the last podcast that we recorded Was one of the greatest prediction podcasts I've ever done with them It was it was just a live read and Danny and Jen were just firing

[00:10:01] Literal perfect answers for like half the things they missed a few but it was it was so good It was so fascinating But remember I'm like asking them the questions to try to lead them to horcruxes

[00:10:12] But they don't know horcruxes existed at the point that you're listening to in book four. Yeah so different questions Anyway That was the housekeeping we needed to get out of the way Any other housekeeping? No It's clean. We gotta we got to find another good little

[00:10:31] Debate that we can have tonight We'll come up with something Oh, the other housekeeping is I do actually want to say this is that I feel like I've been

[00:10:41] Carrying this banner in front of me that I'm like, I don't believe anything and I am like a doubter and I just before that No before that comes to bite me

[00:10:52] I'm gonna just say I'm not that person because something is gonna totally screw me over in the next like however many books there are and

[00:11:01] I don't want to just I just want to clear my name before I say that but I do still stand by all of my Opposing beliefs. No, you're opposing beliefs are great because you're opposing beliefs hurt to be honest like really

[00:11:14] okay, some of the Harry Potter stuff is so fascinating to me because There isn't complete conclusion on things yet about like where what these things are So you're bringing up points that are heavily debated in the Harry Potter world

[00:11:27] It's not that there's like a clear answer for these questions But I just don't want to have like I just want to say I'm not no doubting everything So I'm gonna get like Rick rolled. No, you won't I guarantee

[00:11:37] You won't kill so you might get Rick rolled by someone who knows Harry Potter a lot more than you But I know Harry Potter But I don't know it like some people who are in our community know it like some people know it this and it's like next

[00:11:48] Level how they know some of this stuff. But there's there's one thing that you got to keep in mind is There are people there we are

[00:11:57] We're not like competing with this podcast because podcast is already done. But there was another podcast that was done called Potter lists and Most people who listen to our podcast don't like Potter lists that much because they treated Harry Potter really flippantly and they were like oh

[00:12:12] this is such a joke and they were poking fun at all the time and We just got a comment on reddit of saying I tried Potter lists and it was just too like like boring They were just like, you know

[00:12:22] I'm making fun of the whole book and they're like I finally came to this podcast and even just from the premise alone This is like exactly what I want It's like people who they might have differing opinions about Harry Potter

[00:12:32] But they're debating and they're talking about things and like Harry Potter is real He's gonna find it That's why I'm in the universe Yeah, you can you can debate this as much as you want. No one in our community will get mad at you

[00:12:54] Unless you bring up something like terrible or stupid, you know But people will just debate and that's what the fun part is in our community It's like if you as long as you treat the book seriously and like obviously we're having fun

[00:13:05] If you treat the book seriously and have respect for it Doesn't matter what opinion you have if you can back it up people will respect you But if you come into the group and they're like, this is ridiculous. This is like these things are so stupid

[00:13:18] There's so many plot holes, then you won't get respected Like I remember one time this was like one of my favorite reddit posts I've ever made. I Remember seeing something in the books. I forgot exactly what it was

[00:13:29] But I posted something in like the Harry Potter read it and I was like, hey, what do you guys think about this? This is really fascinating. I never thought about this before like like what do you think about the books aspect here?

[00:13:39] and then a few people commented they're giving their theories and stuff like that and then one person commented and they said Like I think you're just treating a child's text as like too serious I think like this is just you know fun

[00:13:52] Like you shouldn't really treat this that seriously and then someone Commented did this person and they said honey, you are in the wrong place if you believe So most people who love these books

[00:14:07] They they give it respect and they actually treat it with respect and they debate it with respect to me You have a different opinion. It's okay. That's why this is a cool community It's different from like Star Wars Star Wars community is very divisive

[00:14:18] I feel like the Harry Potter community can be a little divisive, but it's a lot less divisive than like Star Wars So you're good as long as you're debating stuff and you seem like you enjoy this then we're good See what the comments say

[00:14:34] Who's here? We got six people here Mandela Jables Nemo Ryan who just became a member Let's go Ryan Yeah, someone said yeah, that's a great point Someone said if you finish the seventh book and you come in saying Harry was revived by the resurrection stone

[00:14:55] You might get mocked. There's some painfully obvious once you might get mocked for but for most of them you won't All right, see when we get there Okay You want to jump into what are we on book three the second part of book three chapter nine, I think

[00:15:16] Welcome to the podcast on John and I'm Lizzie and this is Harry Potter and the second time reader. All right we are probably gonna do five chapters for this one because It is very Quidditch centric and I love Quidditch with everything in me

[00:15:43] Mm-hmm, but some people don't which is a bummer chapter 9 is grim defeat. Do you remember what this chapter is about? No, give me a summary It was they were Gryffindor was defeated in Quidditch, do you know by which team Slitherin Nope, the greatest has to exist

[00:16:16] But they were defeated in a slightly Annoying way they were defeated because Harry was going after the snitch and then all these dementors started swarming and then he fell off his broom his broom ended up going into the Whomping Willow and destroyed his nimbus 2000 and

[00:16:32] Cedric Diggory caught the snitch but then as soon as he realized Harry Was Like Incapacitated he was like, oh no, like we need to change it. I'm I shouldn't have caught this nitch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that kind of stuff Yeah, cuz he's very fair. Yeah

[00:16:55] Games game I know Yeah, I'm mad about is that serious should have rescued the broom from the tree Like He literally was at the game probably I forget if he was game

[00:17:10] But he the thing blew into the tree like he could have just pushed the button got the nimbus Harry's day is rescued or he let it smash on purpose. How about a new one? How would he get it?

[00:17:25] What do you mean? A willow tree is a huge tree a whomping willows probably even bigger. No, but serious just can't push the button That's actually a great point like he's definitely in the tree Just come out

[00:17:41] That made me really mad when I realized that he could have saved it Maybe he's not fast enough. We'll just give him the benefit out there. Like what about this thing? It's like floating through midair and then he can't like catch it

[00:17:54] Maybe he just isn't a very good tree climber and it just blows all of a sudden and goes into this thing Maybe okay. Here's new head cannon for me because do you know who gives him the firebolt?

[00:18:03] Serious. Yeah, so maybe he saw blow in and he tried to save it but couldn't and felt really bad So that's why he bought Harry the fireball like he really desperately tried. Yeah. Why would a tree like destroy something? That's made out of sticks anyways

[00:18:17] Did not recognize that stick recognize Recognize a stick. Yeah The first time I read this book I read like the last page first It's really dumb. Why then I realized that serious was good

[00:18:34] And then I think that's why I love serious so much is because I had like no doubt from the beginning Oh, yeah, everything could just be like so you like saw where he yeah what he was doing

[00:18:43] Yeah, cuz I knew that he gave him the fireball. So I was like, obviously he's trustworthy. It's kind of lovely I actually kind of like that but I stopped doing that Yeah Um Wait, did he do his Patronus for these dementors? Uh-huh. He just

[00:19:06] You know why yeah, cuz he didn't do his Patronus yet because he doesn't know how to do a Patronus so this was like one of the first ones where and

[00:19:15] We'll talk about the Patronus chapter in these because this is kind of when the Patronus he learns of a tronus in chapter 13 I think or 12 or 13 But he wasn't able to do it so that's why he like wants to stay in a room

[00:19:26] He wants to be able to you know still fight against Dementors, but he doesn't know how yet But this all these chapters are super quidditch centric and we talked about quidditch before in the first podcast. But um, I

[00:19:47] Still like it. I know it's so great. It's so great game good I remember for a long time the third book was my favorite book because There was so much quidditch in it and I couldn't wait to get to the chapters

[00:19:59] And I remember the fourth book when they had the Triwizard tournament and when they were like announcing that quidditch is they're not gonna have Quidditch that season. I was so bummed. I was like, no, I don't care where this book is going

[00:20:09] I'm so mad that they don't have quidditch you get the whole world tournament thing in that book though I know it's true. So you get a little bit of it, but you don't get you don't get enough. I liked how they were

[00:20:20] Talking about having to play Hufflepuff and they were like, oh we better like change strategies Because like I didn't even think about the teams having their own culture and like their own strategies and stuff. Yeah What would what a strategy?

[00:20:34] This is an interesting question, you know money ball is Okay, sounds familiar. It's a movie about a baseball strategy where you essentially buy wins rather than or no you You're like buying it's like number crunching so you're playing sports by numbers rather than players

[00:20:55] Like by their stats. Yeah, so it's really fascinating. It was one of my favorite movies ever I love the movie so much so rather than look at like players and like, you know, everyone talks about like the

[00:21:05] Like the hidden things that so like sports players have like the intangibles like this player can do this this player can do this They people these money people these money ball people wouldn't look at any of that

[00:21:15] they would just look at the stats and they would just look at how many How many like runs they needed in order to get this many wins that season?

[00:21:22] And they would only do it that way and this one guy revolutionized this and then brought it to Boston which Boston won the World Series with but some people talk about how you would money ball Quidditch, which is really fascinating like different strategies that you'd use

[00:21:36] That's so interesting because I feel like this is a really interesting movie That's so interesting because I feel like the personality plays a lot into it though because yeah You'd be intimidated by a certain player, but not another one

[00:21:49] Yeah, for sure, which I guess their stats would you kind of match up with their reputation? Yeah, but like if you see Harry Potter, I feel like you're gonna Know he's the best flyer. Yeah, for sure

[00:22:00] There's a strategy that I would implement for Quidditch for a different team If you had another really good seeker on a Quidditch team and we were playing against that team I would you couldn't do two seekers You can't legally in Quidditch to make two seekers

[00:22:15] But I would have one person flying around looking for this the snitch Along with my other seeker and as soon as they had it they had like a sign that designated

[00:22:23] Here's this the snitch come find it and the other person's job is then then block the other seeker who's coming So it's like you're really banking everything on the snitch rather than like the actual game

[00:22:34] so you have to find this nice real quick, and if you don't you're gonna lose but it's like Rapid fire Quidditch. How much is a normal goal like ten points? You don't even have to find the snitch fast then but you kind of do I mean, you don't

[00:22:48] It's like I guess it's like a 15 minute game I think if you ever play if you're playing a player down I feel like another team can score 150 points in like 15 minutes

[00:22:57] But if you had a really good beater, like I feel like you could just have one of the beat the Weasley's Yeah, seriously just cranking it. I know a good beater makes all the difference for sure Yeah, I like that technique. I

[00:23:12] Could see that working. Yeah, I like that. They do change your technique per who they're fighting against though who they're flying against It's a cool. That's a cool strategy Harry does have them in the mentor attack here, but I want to talk about the Dementor

[00:23:28] In the Dementor chapter and the Patronus chapter, so the next chapter is the Marauders map. This is chapter 10 We just like we're done Well, what else you have in that one? Do you have anything else? Well, that's when Snape takes over Lupin's class. Yeah

[00:23:43] Yeah, okay. Yes important. Yeah, and they have the giant sleepover in the Great Hall, right? Yeah Really fun Everyone's on there together. Yeah, but what if um Like I was thinking about Snape teaching the class and he was like nobody knows anything in this class

[00:24:06] Like you guys are idiots. He didn't teach you anything Do you think he's could be right that like they should be way more? Okay 100% I feel like they're kind of scared of defense against the dark arts and I think Snape is just kind of like

[00:24:24] Towing the line of like he likes it, but I also think he's a double agent. I feel like I remember him Like being a double agent or something, but I don't know It's like so foggy

[00:24:38] But I think he's probably just like more interested in it in a way that like other people are scared of it But he'll tow the line and then I think he's probably right that they should know a lot more about it

[00:24:48] because they're not teaching them to be bad wizards like just teaching them to Defend against the dark arts and have the stuff they're doing is like random creatures Yeah, that's kind of true

[00:25:01] But then again you're fighting these creatures in the real life in real life like in the fourth book Harry encounters these creatures all over the place So each each defense against the dark arts like I think each

[00:25:14] Each year you learn something different. I think in the third year They're probably just learning about beasts and how to defend themselves again against beasts the fourth year They learn the unforgivable curses

[00:25:23] So it's like more wizard on where's it wizard stuff and then it's like curses and spells later on I feel like every year progresses to something not more important, but like another dimension of Wizardry and defense against the dark arts that you need to know

[00:25:38] But you think they should be like way more progressed with this. Yeah, they're going at a somewhat slow pace I love Lupin's teaching style with everything in me But I do think he needs to go a little quicker for some of this stuff But

[00:25:52] I'm not like Snape. I don't think Snape would be a good teacher for defense against the dark arts Because he might just go too quick when before like students have really Let it Set I guess why does he want it so badly? Killing me I Don't remember

[00:26:13] I feel like he was a Death Eater But I can't remember for the life of me. He was a Death Eater. Yeah interesting and I feel like Snape was a Death Eater. He came back. I think he's just super weak like a weak man

[00:26:33] But Dumbledore probably gave him a second chance Okay, and then I don't think he would go back to Voldemort because he's all weak And so he's not like, you know the bravest person you ever met. Yeah But I think he probably did his time as a Death Eater

[00:26:49] and I think maybe he's in Hogwarts kind of as like safety with Dumbledore, but I Don't know. He's a he's an intriguing character We will talk about him a lot like if I ran into him in the other alley what's like sideways Nocturnal

[00:27:10] If I ran into him in nocturnality, I'd be like, okay makes sense You know, like I wouldn't be caught off guard that he's there But at the same time, I don't know if he's actually up to anything. I feel like he could just be a weirdo

[00:27:24] Who likes the dark stuff? Yeah Yeah, what's wrong with being a weirdo who likes dark stuff and he's really mean but like that's kind of not to me Involved in anything. I think he's just like a mean person. Okay, and I also think he was

[00:27:39] See, I have all these theories. I think he also I feel like I remember him being in love with Harry Potter's mom Whoa, was that a thing? That's a quite the scandal I feel like I remember there being some love triangle and I was like maybe that's

[00:27:57] What was happening was like he wanted Harry Potter's mom, but then James got her and then he was like not part of the club of the Marauders

[00:28:08] And he was just mad. So he's taking it out on Harry. Yeah, whatever he's doing. He's wrong for taking this out on children He's grumpy and he is like taking out his anger on little kids Which is just not the coolest thing to do

[00:28:23] But I think it's pretty normal. Like there's a lot of people in the world that are like that 100% so there's a lot of yeah, there's a lot of people who are Yeah, we're aren't great rude. Yeah Anyway, that was all I have to say Great

[00:28:41] Next chapter is the Marauders map. Do you remember this chapter? Yes. I love this chapter This is like one of those things where I read this chapter and it makes me so excited and I love Harry Potter And I'm just like this is so great

[00:28:55] And I just get giddy Even when I hear the little like tune at the beginning of the podcast because I have no like movie excitement. Yeah I'm just like, oh, yeah, that's like this chapter does that for me?

[00:29:08] And then the I solemnly swear that I'm up to no good. Yes, it's so good. Oh, I know I love that. Yep Yeah, I don't really know how to summarize it they find the or note

[00:29:19] Fred and George give Harry the Marauders map which they found in Filch's office When they were in trouble and then he gets to go to Diagon Alley Or no, he gets to go to Hogsmeade He gets to go to Hogsmeade and Is this one he like appears in

[00:29:47] like as a head to Malfoy, I don't think so Oh, this is when they this is when he overhears a whole conversation happening So he goes and there's a few people talking loudly in the bar and they're talking about

[00:30:10] Like who serious is that he's the godfather of Harry and what he did how he betrayed the parents infuriates Harry Yeah for sure But you know the end of this story so, you know serious is great. So it's

[00:30:26] It's alright. Everything's gonna be okay. Yeah, but I mean the fact that the whole Like Ministry of Magic is against him is still scary. Yeah, like he could just die at any time Serious good. Yeah. Yeah, and no one would care They'd be like that's good

[00:30:42] The ministry finally did something but he's got one of the best protections that there is which is being an unregistered animagus Did you get to the part of season one where I talked about how you become an animagus? Yes, isn't that?

[00:30:55] I was like that's so dark. I know why did we accept this is okay Like wait for full moon In a thunderstorm you have to like touch your heart and say anime on a mo on a motto or something like that

[00:31:10] It's like yeah, that's like some serious witchcraft actually terrifies me imagine how goofy McGonagall looks doing that She's like yes, I give you a cat now And what if you do that and you're the animal that reveals to you is like something stupid

[00:31:27] Like you're you're like in the middle of the forest and all of a sudden It's like you're gonna be a killer whale And you become a killer whale and you you're like can transform there and you're like what the heck is this?

[00:31:36] That's so true. And then it wouldn't be helpful at all. Yeah, I know. Yeah You did all that work for nothing. Is that really how it works? Like it just pulls out of thin air some animal

[00:31:45] No, it doesn't pull out of thin air it kind of it like takes obviously you into account but it's not like Your spirit animal. It's not like what animal you want to become. I think it does does take that into account a little bit because like

[00:32:01] You'll find out some other characters later Like McGonagall probably wanted to be a cat and like even the each of the things the animals that the Marauders chose Seem to fit what they need So there definitely is some

[00:32:16] Probably some carryover with like it can be what you want it to cuz that's our cases It's too perfect that they were like the perfect size to control. Yeah Yeah Dog is pretty cool cats good. Yeah whale no

[00:32:33] Anything flying I think would be really helpful hundred percent. That'd be so great Could you become like a griffin or do you have to be a human kind of no, I think you become a magical animal

[00:32:44] At least your Patronus which we'll talk about later. You your Patronus can be a magical animal I'm sure your Your animagus form could be something magical too, but I don't know if anybody who's their animagus is

[00:32:57] Magical and there's not a ton of registered anime guy. I'm gonna look it up is Dumbledore and I and I'm Just I read it animagus We don't know of too many

[00:33:17] Registered ones, you know, how many did Hermione say there were seven I believe is that like a magic number? Seven never caught that maybe Seven is kind of the magical number post-registration system Okay, let's see what some of these people are So

[00:33:42] Patricia McManners is unregistered and she's a calico cat When her from McGonagall is a silver tabby cat, but she's registered. She's silver. So for tabby What is she silver in the movie? Yeah, I think so silver ish. I totally picture her as a black cat

[00:33:58] Some of these people oh my gosh poor guy Ambrose Turner his animagus is a butterfly Good one Bly a name guy named bly is a lemur Adrian Tutley is a gerbil Oliver Kicker is a frog frog

[00:34:27] Man, ooh tab it winger is an eagle. I think these are video game characters or something like that Yeah Imagine you just become a frog and you're like ten times slower than you are The the school in Africa Wagadoo specializes in Like

[00:34:57] Human transfiguration they're really good at it. So a lot of Wizards at Wagadoo can transform into an animal Wagadoo Wagadoo. It's a cool name for a school Interesting Yeah, I don't know if we know of too too many

[00:35:15] What do you think of the Marauders map? I think it's awesome. Yeah, so cool. Well creepy what it's pretty cool Why is it creepy because you just spy on anyone that you want at the castle? I

[00:35:27] Don't understand how they made that yeah, that's beyond me because like they made it in the past but it's present It's like present omniscient Which is like super crazy magic. Yeah

[00:35:41] That I don't know how they made it but it shows how capable they are at magic. They're incredible Yeah, cuz I don't know too many people like who do you think that anybody in the books right now could create something like that?

[00:35:53] Maybe Hermione. Yeah, she might be the only one But yeah, that's my only guess cuz nobody else seems like an outstanding wizard Yeah, or which I wonder how they went about creating that though. That is so fascinating to me

[00:36:08] I don't know how they did that because it's like yeah, I don't get how it's omniscient but it's like made in the past and then it's also Changing everything and it's like this is the

[00:36:22] Thing that you need to say and it shows up in a speech bubble like yeah, it also thinks for itself in a little way Yep so I wonder if Man I actually have is there anything anybody know it has there been anything written on this

[00:36:39] The reigning theory is that it's linked to the book of admittance and the quill of acceptance Like I'm curious June goes what if Trevor was actually an animagus Trevor is Neville's toad Now I kind of thought that Peter Pettigrew is like Neville's dad for a while really yeah

[00:37:03] But I don't think he is no he's definitely not I I'm curious if the Marauders map was created in some way You probably don't know this room exists either. You remember the room of requirement? You have heard of it

[00:37:22] Is that the one that's like full of everything and they have to like search through it kinda yeah, isn't there like a battle in there? Everything is so vague. I know we'll get there. We'll get there when we get there excruciating

[00:37:36] This is great for me. I love that. It's excruciating for you Why is it like what has what even it's just fun that someone kind of forgot some of it and like you're reliving it

[00:37:48] But you're like again, I can see the neurons firing in your brain, but they're not They're like fireworks. You're like They just don't go anywhere But it's great. I love it so much. I love vicariously living through other people who are experiencing this again

[00:38:05] No, I'm having a lot of fun But what were you gonna say about this room of requirement? maybe they used the room of requirement for the The Marauders map in some way, but I can't really go into deep theories on that because you don't really know

[00:38:26] So we'll talk about that. Wait, do you like walk in and it like gives you what you need or something? Yeah, it's it gives you what you require, but it gives you essentially a room

[00:38:35] So if you need a bathroom really bad and you walk by it three times, it'll give you a bathroom Alright And yeah, it just gives you gives a seeker whatever the seeker needs has a need for We'll talk about that more in the fifth one

[00:38:52] But yeah how that Marauders map is made is actually a really fascinating one and I don't really know well, we're like Lupin and James Potter like really good for their time Yeah, but they weren't exceptional Exceptional they weren't like out of this world good. I

[00:39:19] Think they were good, but I think Hermione was better than this world. What out of this world? Okay, I don't know I I get the I get the feeling that they were very skilled and accomplished

[00:39:33] But they were way too cocky. Like they thought they were better than they actually were Like I think there are wizards out there Even during their time that were better than them like Snape, for example, I think is a better wizard more skillful wizard Than

[00:39:55] any of the Marauders That might be really controversial to say like the Marauders when they young or the Marauders like as all of them adults The Marauders when they were young and the Marauders even as adults like Snape is not getting the recognition. Yeah cuz he's

[00:40:13] Snape is I yes, it's absolute jerk. Not a ton of people really really like Snape I think Snape is a much more complicated character than we make him out to be but he's not nice

[00:40:23] He's not a good human being but he's a very very skilled wizard a low-key skilled wizard too. So like James and Sirius they're skilled but they're

[00:40:34] Galavanting their skill throughout the streets and they're like we're the best wizards ever, you know, like they're typical high school kids. Just so annoying Snape on the other hand is chilling is in his little dungeon actually being a great wizard and no one really knows about it

[00:40:47] which to me I Think he's more skilled than them But in a way he is getting recognition because he's teaching at one of the greatest wizarding schools ever Yes, James is dead Lupin's a werewolf and pedigree is like

[00:41:02] Basically as good as dead because he's serving the dark lord. Yeah for sure. Yeah, did I miss someone? No, you got the four those four yeah, no wait wormtail Lupin's teaching Sirius is in prison. Oh, I didn't mention serious James is kaput. How do you Siri?

[00:41:20] So there are magic says And that's pretty great and Snape's not yeah, that's very true. So they have that they did that out of loyalty I think though rather than I mean it takes a great amount of skill But it just takes patience really to be an animagus

[00:41:39] You have more than patience I know it does take a lot more than patience But you have to put a some kind of leaf under your tongue and keep it under your tongue for a month

[00:41:52] Yeah, I don't know if I don't know if I could do that for like an hour and they did it all under Dumbledore's nose. Yes, they were acting a hundred percent normal great point. Yeah, that's a great point

[00:42:03] How do we know Snape didn't desperately try and Snape failed How do we know Snape's not an animagus? magus Magus You say however you want Cuz he could be just unregistered. Yeah walking around doing double agent

[00:42:22] What do you think he would be if he was an unregistered animagus what animal? What's a greasy snail Slug yeah, I could like slug. Yeah. Yeah something gross and like you don't want to touch it a bat Yes, I hate that. Yeah me too

[00:42:44] Yeah, that's kind of dark yeah, I think that I think you do bring up a good point I think the Marauders are unbelievably skilled But one thing so and this is something that even with Hermione Hermione is book smart

[00:42:59] But I don't think she would ever make something like this because I don't think she has a Capacity. No that that she doesn't have the capacity, but she doesn't have the desire to break rules that much

[00:43:08] So she breaks them when absolutely necessary, but I don't think she would ever actually want to create something like this and to be honest Hermione is not the most thoroughly creative person. I think the Marauders were very very creative

[00:43:20] So that's why they were probably able to make something like this But Hermione kind of recommended them doing the whole polyjuice potion Because that was like a huge character growth that I noticed was she was actually willing to lie for

[00:43:34] Harry and Ron it's a great point. So I don't know I feel like I don't remember her ever becoming like super rule-breaking, but I Just feel like to say that she wouldn't do it is kind of like she would want to do it legally

[00:43:49] And I think she has the the drive to do it legally. Yeah, but yeah, and Then it just kind of makes me wonder how many unregistered ones there are because maybe it's not rare

[00:44:02] It might be a lot more than yeah, if I if I did was an animagus I might I might be an unregistered one. What's the difference? Like why would you not want to be registered? Or like why would you want to be registered?

[00:44:17] Why do you need to be rich because it's like a ministry oversight It's like the the ministry is watching your every not watching your every move, but they know Who you are so you can't if you're trying to do something in secretively?

[00:44:28] It's you shouldn't register to be an animagus So we'll talk about like another character who's in an animagus later who does it for completely secretive reasons and is an unregistered one And the marauders are the same. They don't want everyone knowing what they're doing and if they're registered

[00:44:46] They're not gonna allow for students or three students to register as anime guy, I don't think they would Can you undo their power and just be like never mind you're not actually allowed So then they'll just be unregistered forever. Yeah doing whatever they want to do

[00:45:06] This is not there's a loophole here. I I Think so the ministry they want registered anime guy Mainly because it's such a dangerous thing to actually do and perform which is again why the marauders are very skilled I just think Snape is a little bit more skilled

[00:45:23] So they want to keep an eye on people who are trying to transfigure or trying to become anime guy because it's a really really dangerous Thing to do and it could go really wrong so I think that's the main reason but

[00:45:35] Again which shows the skill of all these wizards even a wormtail who most people crap on he's like Somewhat skilled and that he was able to become an anime guy magus

[00:45:59] Anything else in this chapter you want to talk about before we go on to the next um, why is serious laughing When He like kills air quotes kills these people such a great question because this keeps me up at night

[00:46:18] What could possibly be going through his mind either I almost think it's like this moment of just like Like you got me because he's seeing Pettigrew turn into a rat and he's just like watching Pettigrew

[00:46:34] Shrink down in front of him and then seeing all these people die in front of him And he just knows like this is the end like I'm done. But at the same time is just like laughing cuz like Nice nice move you did it. That's cool

[00:46:46] but I don't know because it's I feel like it's written in so that you start doubting him and he's like super mean and evil yeah, but When you know, he's not I'm like, why is he laughing?

[00:46:59] Dude I know I have to make more space on my computer real quick and I'm gonna answer that question That's a really great question You have an actual answer. No When do I ever have an actual real answer?

[00:47:19] Yeah, why he's laughing is a really is one I don't fully understand I think It's to be honest Sometimes I think of it as like a trauma response Like sometimes when we're hit with traumatic moments

[00:47:37] We just do things that are kind of irrational and just like don't do things that don't really make sense And to me that kind of seems like what he's doing here. Not that he like knows Wormtail best at him, but like His best friends just died

[00:47:49] he realized his another one that he person that he trusted betrayed his best friends and Framed him for the murder. So he's standing in the middle of the street and he can go on the run

[00:48:00] That's probably the most logical thing to do, but he knows he's gonna get caught So he just stands there and like, you know, his trauma response is laughter, which is a little weird again I don't know. I don't know why he laughs Yeah

[00:48:22] But I don't know cuz I'm picturing Sirius and pedigree in front of each other and then pedigree like Down into a rat like Sirius is watching that happen. Yeah Yeah, I Guess he sees that he's like, what else can he do but just laugh? Yeah

[00:48:41] Maybe in the face of death like he instantly knows he's gonna ask him Maybe it shows a little bit of bravery on his part to where he's actually able to laugh at a hop

[00:48:51] I don't think so. I don't think it's I don't know that response is really bizarre to me Yeah, I think it's just some people laugh at inappropriate times in certain scenarios in their life

[00:49:04] Some people in chat are saying laughing is something I would do it's not weird at all. I totally laugh in inappropriate situations Literally today someone was telling me that like he has to do his taxes

[00:49:17] I was so tired. I was looking here in the eyes and I just started dying Delirious, you know, maybe he maybe serious didn't sleep. Yeah a long time exactly maybe oh

[00:49:36] Yeah, Doug is his best friends just died. He's like super stressed out. Yep. Can't sleep kiss the giggles They die is he's another person transfiguring into a rat and then he's like, oh this is funny rats are funny

[00:49:51] It's a weird one. I don't know really know the answer for that one I don't know and many people really know the answer for that one. It's a strange strange occurrence Okay, let's go the firebolt chapter 11 So fun great chapter what happens to this one a Firebolt

[00:50:18] Magically appears. Yeah for Harry and then Hermione is like you don't know who that came from We need to check it out and then it gets taken away from him for a really long time

[00:50:30] To like be yeah, okay. I don't have a ton of questions for this chapter But would you be like Hermione maybe my only one is what would you do?

[00:50:37] Would you rat them out because this object's dangerous or would you say this is great. Let's go ride it right now Honestly, I would probably rat it out Just because he has died here almost died so many times in Quidditch in general

[00:50:51] It just seems like a little weak point that people are attacking him at So yeah, we do. I don't know why it took them so long though like McGonagall should expedite this process

[00:51:04] There needs to be a faster way to check brooms. Yeah, I also literally have nothing written for this one Fireball and they get it checked out. It's a really little how much is a fireball in like human

[00:51:16] Let me look at any cuz not even Malfoy has one but Malfoy is probably not good enough for one Some people say assuming the fireball is somewhere between two hundred and a thousand galleons, that'd be somewhere between 1200 to 6000

[00:51:37] Well, that's a nice short like range yeah, I know that doesn't really tell us anything But it's a lot the the price on the the tag just said Price on requests or something like that when Harry was looking at Florida Florian and Fort askew

[00:51:55] He was still on eating ice cream and looking at the fireball which You know, that's a little wild. That's kind of like a luxury vehicle Yeah, I mean, I think that's a luxury vehicle

[00:52:08] That's kind of like a luxury vehicle though, like you walk in and it's not like the prices are there you just get persuaded You're probably getting a good deal the car salesman just like yeah, it's great you should get this $100,000

[00:52:26] I had the only thing I have annotated here is this quote From when McGonagall and Trelawney are talking and Then she's like certainly I knew Minerva She said quietly but one does not parade the fact that one is all-knowing

[00:52:45] I frequently act as though I'm not possessed of the inner eye so as to not make others Nervous such humility. I love Trelawney So, I don't know maybe you can tell us a little bit more about

[00:53:00] I don't know. Maybe she is real. Maybe she's not i'm still confused because your argument is kind of convincing but yes I'm gonna convince you as we go on through that She's gonna give other predictions and i'll be very maybe I won't be very convincing

[00:53:14] It's like a very niche theory that people have But I think she's right. I think she's at least Again, she has the gift of seeing But she just doesn't know how to interpret

[00:53:24] I think the gift of interpretation is another like big one that she just doesn't necessarily have I think she is right and she has real predictions, but I think she makes up like 75% of them probably yeah, and then

[00:53:39] That's why she's like doing this whole thing about pretending to not no, but like maybe the real predictions only ever actually come like Five times a year and then like she has to keep up just kind of store them up

[00:53:54] Yeah, she's got to keep up this whole thing to be a teacher and like convince people I do think it's more about aura so like if I were in her shoes, I think there's a large portion of this that is like

[00:54:05] What your aura feels like you're able to predict things based off someone's aura Which is why the nevel thing kind of strikes me a little bit I think she maybe perceives his aura a little bit maybe perceives

[00:54:15] He's a little clumsy and says like, you know, so she's making maybe some slight guesses But again, I don't think it's necessarily that I think she can actually see these things I think she's constantly seeing things in the future

[00:54:25] about like when she looks into a person's eyes or something like that she sees the future of that person really briefly about like one thing that happens and is able to give a snap prediction on it and because She's a she's kind of a fool

[00:54:37] Because she wants to look cool. She gives immediate things of what's what's happening She like sees nevel breaking the thing and that's like as she nails that she's like, okay Be careful don't break or like, you know

[00:54:48] Take the blue one rather than the pink one or whatever to but she sees another she's a party patil being scorned by a redheaded man when it's really your sister being scorned by ron and she

[00:54:59] Sees that and she's like beware redheaded man. That's still like not like is her sister in that class though No, but her sister is probably getting by her her sister. So my maybe my take is like party patil

[00:55:12] Is looking at her sister padma being scorned by ron and again Trelawney misinterprets the fact and think that's thinks that's Pavarti, are they looking at their twin sisters in the globe at this time though? Um, because how else would that be possible? I think she just looks into

[00:55:32] people's souls their eyes but like Maybe there's some horcrux stuff going on here is not gonna be where your sister's the main character Like I want to I want to believe

[00:55:43] She's just bad at interpreting these things she knows what that what she sees what happens in the future But she is bad at interpreting that no, this is such a contingency point though like I want to believe you but

[00:55:55] That does not make sense to me that that does not compute that if you're looking at in someone's future You're not seeing their sister like you look like your brothers and i'm not gonna look in your life and be like

[00:56:06] But i'm not a twin with my brothers and you know how many people mistake me and my brother Yeah, like how many people are doing that like And i'm not even a literal twin I don't know. I'm trying to believe this

[00:56:21] I'll convince you more as we go on there. Uh There's a few more points that i'll i'll convince you on i'll have you convinced by the end of this book I think and I think there's hard predictions that she makes and there's soft predictions

[00:56:32] Like when she gets possessed at the end of this book, that's a clear one that she's right on But I think she's right on everything else But she just doesn't know how to interpret these things

[00:56:41] She doesn't take the time to sit on her own and like think of like legitimate interpretations for this. She needs to reflect Yeah, she needs to reflect a little more exactly

[00:56:51] All right. Uh, the next chapter is um, the patronus chapter. So let's talk briefly about the patronus which is a great chapter Tell me a summary of the patronus Um, this is when lupin um Takes harry under his wing to teach him about casting patronuses to protect himself

[00:57:15] And I don't think harry successfully really does it yet Um, but they have a good conversation and I really love lupin in this. Yes Um, my summaries are very like all over the place So

[00:57:32] The patronus is one of my favorite little bits of magic that they ever do. I think it's lovely. I think it's great Yeah, and you were listening to the season one So did you hear me talk about the movie difference between this and the books? No

[00:57:43] It's a rare scene where actually I think the movie does it better Very very rare. It's a movie ever does it better? Okay, but in the books, you remember what like harry thinks through I think he thinks through First time he wrote a broom

[00:57:56] Like the first time he was He saw hogwarts and then when he got his acceptance letter is when he's actually able to cast the shield patronus not the corporeal Patronus, but the shield patronus. Okay

[00:58:07] So that's what happens in the book and lupin is coaching him through it and teaching him the whole time And it's kind of lovely. It's a great little bit of writing. It's exceptional and then in the movies they change it a slight little bit

[00:58:20] To the point where I think it actually deepens it a little bit in the books And I think it's a better ad not a better adaptation I think it's a better bit of writing in the movies and the books because harry he tries to cast a patronus

[00:58:31] and uh, he fails miserably and lupin goes can I ask you what you were thinking about and Harry goes the first time I wrote a broom And lupin looks at him. He goes That's not powerful enough. That's not nearly powerful enough

[00:58:47] And then harry goes. Oh, okay. Well, I have another memory Um, but i'm not really sure it's like Real where he's like, he doesn't know how to explain it and then lupin goes is it powerful?

[00:58:59] And harry goes yes. So when he the he releases the boggart again here. He's actually able to Cast his patronus and shield for him and lupin asks him later. He's like What were you thinking of or he doesn't ask him harry just gushes and he goes

[00:59:12] I was thinking about my parents My mom my dad They were just talking to me just talking he goes I don't even know if it's real but it's the best I've got and I love that so much because it's like

[00:59:24] It's not just the superficial happiness of like riding a broom. I think it's like something deeper of You can fight back the these these Dementors which kind of represent like incoming dread and doom and anxiety and fear and ultimately depression

[00:59:43] You can fight back with those with like reminding yourself of happy moments in your life like deep happy moments of like The really great things that you have and you can do it with little things too, obviously

[00:59:54] But I love that so much. I think it's a really great change in the movies It's cool though that that works and then He's also like fighting the guilt of wanting to hear his parents. I know Which is really sad. It's such a good bit of writing

[01:00:11] It's such a good bit of writing. I feel like he should think about looking in the mirror of Whatever that's called your said or said. Yeah for the first time that would be happy He has like no happy memories. I know like every happy memory

[01:00:26] We know is from like hogwarts. Yeah And yeah, what am I did? I tell you this last podcast the one of the only people who can't cast a corporeal patronus in this book is nevel Because he doesn't have enough happy memories what

[01:00:43] That is so tragic. I know what is a corporeal as an animal patronus? So like when your patronus actually hits animal form harry right now is casting a shield patronus

[01:00:53] Which is like it casts a barrier between you and the dementor, but it's not as strong as a corporeal patronus which is the full-fledged patronus which is like a um An animal an animal form. Yeah, so lupin on the train is doing a

[01:01:12] It's just a shield because it's literally just like yeah. Yeah, it's just a shield. Okay So wait, do you have to be like? More masterful to be able to do the whole animal one or is it just like whatever you decide in the moment?

[01:01:26] Um, you definitely have to be more masterful, but you have to have enough Happy memories just kind of stored up I guess not maybe not like a quota But like the neville thing is a weird one because i'm curious

[01:01:38] if there is like a level of happiness that you have to attain and have to achieve before you can actually be able to cast a patronus like I think neville he's a really interesting character to me because

[01:01:49] I do think that he battles depression like severe depression in the books and it's a very under the radar thing with neville I don't think it's on top at all. And anytime you see neville If you look at him through the lens of just like another normal character

[01:02:03] Which to me again, this is such good writing on her part because when i'm walking throughout my normal life, I don't Not like the people with depression aren't just raising their hands being like I have depression

[01:02:12] You know, they're just able to function and like live in society and I think neville's the same thing I think neville has some serious depression with what has been going on in his life I don't think it's exhibited completely in the books

[01:02:24] But you're given enough little context clues that you see that neville actually does have some deep depression The fact that he's not able to cast a full corporeal patronus is like one of the biggest indications for me But how patronus is actually work? with

[01:02:38] um, like maybe a quota of the person like a person has to be able to experience happiness in a more full way and Maybe neville just can't do that Maybe he's just never done it before. I don't know. It's a really fascinating Idea, and I just don't know

[01:02:52] Yeah, because when I think about like what I would use to cast my patronus i'm like in some ways it's not entirely purely happy You know, yeah, so i'm like Is it does it count if it was like pure happiness in the moment?

[01:03:07] But now you think of it as like some sad memory like that doesn't seem very powerful, you know That's so good though because like don't you have those moments where you're like i'm on top of the world

[01:03:19] Yeah, i'm like it's the best and then you look back on it and it's like bittersweet. Yeah, that's what I keep like like though I feel like there's so few things that I would actually use to like cast my patronus because like

[01:03:31] Flippant happiness isn't cemented in my mind is like yes. This is a great memory. Yeah, but I don't know i'm 100 there with you. I actually think the um Like one of my favorite movies pixar movies is inside out because of that reason have you seen that?

[01:03:47] It's like her happy memories are Are happy memories because they're such sad memories because there's such sadness attached to it and they're like more whole so like she gets like you know She one of her core memories is family how her family always comes to support her

[01:04:03] but she realized that fact because She lost a hockey game and was super depressed and her family came over and supported her and it was like then she was happy

[01:04:10] After that and it's like a more full form of happiness and the reverse happens where you look back in a situation You're like, oh that really hurts to even like think about that but I think there's something attached to it where um

[01:04:23] Those memories are more powerful and like they're not necessarily like flat-out happiness Because it's not like you know, like i'll experience happiness in certain little small moments like I think there's there's a Have you seen the tiktok video with uh, the people? Redoing the steps

[01:04:42] It's like massively popular right now, oh with the dog with the dogs I feel like I saw that last night Oh my god, like i'm like that like a dying dog is the most depressing thing ever

[01:04:54] But sometimes I think about it and it fills me with such joy for like having wes in my life right now And it's so sad, but it's like it's even the same thing with like some marvel movies

[01:05:03] Like they talk about what is grief if not love enduring and persevering or whatever it is And I love that idea that's why I love you know a lot of sad things because it makes me feel um

[01:05:14] Super strong emotions for things that I actually truly love in this world and I think the same is kind of true for a patronus I think Which I actually don't know if it's the same for patronus. It might be more like a superficial thing because neville

[01:05:28] Should kind of have that. Ah, then again, we'll get into neville's background a little bit Imagine you're like trying to cast the patronus and it just turns into a dementor Like shoot dang it Neville just creating the dementors by accident

[01:05:44] That's a great. That's a great one. That would hurt I have to look out for that when I read now and try and see neville I know like in that light

[01:05:52] I definitely read him through a lens of he has pretty deep unlingering depression throughout the entirety of these books I definitely thought he had like anxiety or social anxiety

[01:06:02] Yeah, because he's like on edge all the time and I just imagine that being like boarding school being just the worst nightmare Yep, because even if you get comfortable with people you're still always in a new environment or a new like

[01:06:15] There's a new class coming in and you just have like there's no place for him to just settle down except maybe like the dormitory Where there's five of them? Yeah, but Yeah, like poor neville. I know he never gets a break. I know

[01:06:29] Like and then the teachers are bullying him I know exactly so he just kind of keeps spiraling down There is there's a moment in the seventh book, which is not much of a spoiler but we just kind of hit this in season one where

[01:06:41] Harry is looking at his parents grave and he has a moment where He looks down at them and says he wished he wished to join them In the snowy and like the cold desp in the dirt below or something like that

[01:06:55] Like he wished he was there lying or something like that and it's so tragic And again, I think neville is somewhat the same. I think uh, he has this lingering feeling like he gets bullied like these bad things happen to him and he just

[01:07:09] Wants to be with his parents Like I think he fights that the entirety of the uh of the book And there's moments when he feels included there is moments when he's doing excellent in certain things

[01:07:21] Again, this is why neville is one of my favorite characters. He's got such depth to him But I love him so much. I just think he he struggles a lot, but he's great. He's so good Anything else in this chapter We talked about the dementor kiss

[01:07:35] And what a dementor actually is A dementor is like a lamprey. Yeah, do you know what those are a little like a hagfish? Those are also my least favorite animals I cannot Oh, those like send me off the edge. I can't how often have you seen a lamprey

[01:07:53] I watch my fair share of ocean documentaries And they always make their way in and I always am like screaming looking at them if you look up a hagfish I just it makes me want to like scrape my eyeballs out with a knife. Oh gosh

[01:08:09] It's so bad. And the same thing I think about tapeworms does that? Yeah, tapeworms are gross But anyways, they're basically like a hagfish imagining in a big cloak with a hand. I never want yeah. Dang. That's a great Uh

[01:08:24] Imagination for that I never want to go in the sea again well, you'll be safe in the the shallows Thanks. They're eating like whale fall down Way down disgusting But yeah, the dementors I feel like this is before we had our dementor debate

[01:08:41] This is where like all of the good information was hiding. But now I feel like we've set our peace I know we've settled the debate. You've kind of you fully convinced me that dementors are morally neutral creatures Good. I'm glad I was thinking about that

[01:08:54] I like went to bed and I was like what could I have come up with any other counter arguments? I was like no I was just thinking wrong and you just corrected me. So I appreciate it Yeah

[01:09:05] We'll definitely have we'll definitely progress the dementor discussion as we go on and we'll progress the uh, the um Patronus discussion as we go on as well But we'll keep it at that for now my only other note on this chapter was that phil or that lupin

[01:09:22] found the Boggart, is that what it's called? Yeah in is that actually how you say it? Yeah, are you sure? He found it in filch's filing cabinet And the only other time we've heard about filch's filing cabinet is for the marauder's map

[01:09:40] And I wondered if lupin happened to see anything that was in there or just knew that like wait Did they find it in filch's filing cabinet? Are you positive about that? I can little like I can find my little note here, but I think so

[01:09:55] Um because I don't like why would I bring that up now? If I wasn't That would blow my mind if that's the case I want to come up with all sorts of theories on that right now

[01:10:07] Um, it's in the beginning right where he's like doing it with harry Because he's saying they like to inhabit The dark places and he's like, oh I found this one in filch's cabinet

[01:10:22] I'm gonna find it. Oh, man, that's right. I'm thinking of the other one that they had in the class This was probably a different one. Here we go. Another boggart said lupin stripping off his cloak Okay Oh gosh, i've been

[01:10:48] Combing the castle ever since tuesday and very luckily. I found this one lurking inside. Mr Filch's filing cabinet. It's the nearest we'll get to a real dementor The boggart will turn into a dementor when he sees you and we'll be able to practice on him

[01:11:03] so I was like The one specific cabinet that we're mentioning twice is his filing cabinet He could have multiple but i'm just saying for mr Mooney

[01:11:14] To be in the cabinet or maybe the same cabinet that his marauder's map is in then he comes across the marauder's map later Like I feel like it would be pretty known if filch confiscated it as when they were students that they'd be like, okay

[01:11:29] Like it's in this thing that says Whatever like dark mysterious objects. I forget what it's labeled Things that filch doesn't understand Um, but isn't that crazy? Don't like you want to believe that he saw the map that is yeah, that is such a good catch. Yeah

[01:11:47] I want to ask uh, you come up with such good questions stuff that i've literally never seen and thought of before Good, so i'm gonna throw this out. I'm so happy

[01:11:56] I'm gonna throw this out on our reddit and our discord asking people to come up with theories based on this dang Because he's snooping around filch's office I know. Yeah free reign because he's a teacher I wonder if he was like looking for the marauder's map

[01:12:23] Like intentionally, yeah And he just kind of happened to come across a bagar so he like bottled that thing up and was like, okay it felt to me though when Was it snape or was it filch who had the map and then they brought in lupin to investigate?

[01:12:41] It felt to me like he had a moment of like, oh, yeah, this is the map So I feel like he didn't find it before but he could have been looking for yeah for sure

[01:12:49] Because if he knows he's gonna be in and out. I mean, he doesn't know that it's his first and final year at hogwarts but Maybe he wants it. Maybe he wanted to I don't know

[01:13:00] It's a good little dang like souvenir the good old days. I know seriously. He's he's trying to yeah Because maybe he wants it to find sirius or something like that because he definitely knows

[01:13:13] Where this map still exists, so i'm sure he looked into the room requirement, dude. This is such a good point lizzie. Holy smoke Every time you say that i'm like, yay, like i'm winning. I know I can think good thoughts

[01:13:32] Because you definitely know he searched through things because they lost this map they didn't have this map at one point yeah, so he's at back at hogwarts and he's probably looking through the uh, through the

[01:13:43] Shrieking shack probably the room requirement looking for some stuff and then he's like maybe phil to nicked it from a student who had it That's the last place i'll look and he just happened to come across a bug right there

[01:13:55] Dude, that's such a good little people literally visit their old schools and they're like this is where we ate lunch every day And it's like stuff that's not exciting but imagine if you had like some amazing artifact that you needed to find again Of course, you're snooping around

[01:14:10] That's so good. That is so So good well done I can't wait to read the rest of these because you find such good stuff. This is great. Good. All right, uh, Let's do the last chapter really quickly because let's wrap this one up. Okay

[01:14:26] Um, there's not a ton that happens in this one, but this is gryffindor versus ravenclaw My only note is mcgonagall being mean to neville crying. Yeah What does she which abysmally? Is this that chapter? Yeah. Oh my gosh

[01:14:41] Yeah, i'm was like so sad which person she said her voice shaking which Abysmally foolish person wrote down this week's passwords and left them lying around I will Punch mcgonagall right now. Yes That annoys me so much that hurts. Yeah i'm like

[01:15:02] Legitimately angry legitimately sad reading that because neville I know is in shambles. Yes He's already yeah, and he's already in shambles knowing that sirius got in Like you don't have to add insult to injury here. Imagine being called abysmally foolish

[01:15:19] Like that's a whole nother level from mcgonagall too from someone that who you like Love and respect yeah, and this is again This is neville's whole journey too because I think he comes to a point where

[01:15:30] He knows that he's not really liked and he has to like come into his own and then he starts getting really liked which is

[01:15:34] Actually a little tragic that he has to like change himself a little bit in order to be like truly liked and appreciated and well regarded but um Yeah, he definitely grows in confidence, which is great

[01:15:45] But I hate that line as well when mcgonagall says that mcgonagall is some people really love mcgonagall She's not one of my favorite characters I don't like mind how stern she is. She definitely has like some great lines in this um

[01:16:00] She definitely shines a lot more in like book five book five. She's exceptional. She's great But this one she's just sometimes a little mean Yeah, and even like the in the first bit of this chapter neville's locked out

[01:16:16] And she just bans him from hogsmeade like she's just mad at him and just rips that away from him Yeah, seriously, so it like starts and ends with neville and mcgonagall's beef. Yeah

[01:16:27] And lana even says, uh to be fair. He left them in the dorm not out of the dorm So like if he left them in the dorm because sirius took them when Or wait, is that actually serious holding the knife?

[01:16:43] Yeah, that is serious. Yep. Okay coming to kill peter So, when did he get oh crookshanks gave him the thing right? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but there's no way of explaining your way out of that yeah The cat ate my homework

[01:17:03] The cat took my passwords one of my favorite memes, um, we're not memes, but just like ideas is that I mean who who owned the marauders map before harry the twins, yeah If the twins are looking at this map in harry's first or second year

[01:17:24] And they just see ron Peter pedigree That's why there's a meme out there that I shared on instagram the other day that was like, uh, it's willem deffoe And he has this thing where he's like, uh, I gotta find this again

[01:17:41] Because this makes me laugh. So did they like never look close enough? I guess they just never look close enough. Oh my gosh This is my one maybe my favorite harry potter meme of all time

[01:18:03] Is that wait, that's why you posted that the first comment on that is uh Probably what they thought when they saw a man named peter pedigree sleeping next to ron at night Oh, that is gold It is one of my favorite things of all time I

[01:18:22] Crack up every time I see that it's so good. They just let it go. They're like, well He's doing what he wants to do Go go ron. You do what you want to do They would have known that name though

[01:18:36] So it's funny when they see him dating like another person later on in the books a girl They're probably like oh we thought you were gay the whole time go ron That's so crazy

[01:18:47] Yeah, you could learn so much about people like they're probably just watching percy. I know Um, yeah, you could just learn everything. Yeah, they're they're watching percy and penelope clearwater. Yeah penelope doing lots of stuff They're not watching They see their little Things go around

[01:19:08] Oh, yeah, I don't know how this looks in the movie at all. Like I have a weird Picture of it, but it's a cool cool thing in the movies. We'll get there

[01:19:17] Can you actually see what the people are doing? Or are they like little they're like little name tags with feet footprints walking everywhere Oh interesting. Yeah It's cool. Is it like actually a pretty good depiction? It's like good

[01:19:30] Cgi, is it like 3d so you can see the levels of the castle? No. Oh, how does it it's like it's like uh Different layers of the parchment so like he flaps open this one level layer layer of parchment. It's like the next level

[01:19:42] That's crazy. Yeah, it's pretty cool I didn't even think about it like that Um Have you ever got locked out of anything since neville got locked out of his? Portrait hole all the time. Yeah, not all the time, but I definitely have

[01:20:01] Yeah, you seem like you have a story attached to that oh, I mean I got locked out of my house when I was a kid And my aunt dropped me off. It was dark At night and it was raining And I was like never home alone ever

[01:20:17] So I got locked out And my I was like, I saw my aunt pulling away and I was like no So then I was like, okay don't freak out

[01:20:25] So I started looking around for like a hidden key and I found a hidden key under like something by the door And I let myself in And then like we had a house phone like I didn't have a cell phone

[01:20:39] And then I was like crying on the phone with my mom. I was like mom, where are you? I'm home alone. Everything's dark and it's raining and I was like at this point i'm like still scared of thunderstorms And it's like thunderstorming and i'm home alone

[01:20:53] And she's like in a different state but like a few hours away and I was like, oh my gosh so she calls my aunt my aunt comes and then I go hang out at my aunt's house and it was

[01:21:03] Crazy, but that was like actually kind of traumatizing like it really does not sound that bad, but like I don't know how old I was but Don't that's not fun. Yeah being locked out of something like that. It's miserable. Yeah. Hey dad It's happening with a car before

[01:21:21] We've had to like fish the keys out in the seat or something like that definitely got locked out of my uh my house before um I got locked out of my uh dorm when I was in college. We had a sneaker way back in that was fun

[01:21:37] Nothing like nothing like crazy crazy I locked myself out of like every hotel room i've ever been in. Yeah Like I just cannot remember for the life of me That's not funny there. Yeah Um, i've never actually locked myself out of my car

[01:21:54] Where I don't have my spare key like in Yeah, so you're smart though you like keep your spare key another another spot I had like my spare key in my car

[01:22:03] One time I got locked in my car and after that I was like this was probably a dumb thing to do Not the ideal place Yeah, that was my only story I mean, I got lost in a grocery store. That was like the same vein

[01:22:19] I feel like grocery stores were so huge when you were a kid You walk into them. You're like this place is the biggest place i've ever seen You're like two shelves tall and they're like, oh my gosh Yeah

[01:22:31] Um, all right. Well who is your favorite character in these five chapters and your favorite moment? um, I think Lupin's probably my favorite because he comes to the rescue Yeah um And my favorite moment I don't know. This is so hard Which chapter we start with grim defeat

[01:22:57] Very quidditch centric chapters Yeah. Oh probably the marauders Map is my favorite like I solemnly swear. Yeah Yeah, it's really great. Yeah, I know I love that I think lupin's my favorite too. He's probably my favorite in these five

[01:23:13] He just has great moments and all the other characters like hermione's a little annoying Harry's kind of dumb ron's kind of dumb mcgonagall's mean So lupin's lupin's the best in this one. Yeah, and then my favorite moment is um gryffindor beating ravenclaw I love the quidditch moments. So

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