Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: Ch 5-8

[00:00:00] Welcome to the podcast, I'm Lizzie This is Harry Potter and the Second Time Readers Let's go! I feel so wrong No way, I feel like it felt great to me That was perfect, I love that. Alright, we're going over

[00:00:21] Four or five chapters. We haven't quite decided yet, but it'll be titled whenever this comes out. So we'll know then for sure Chapter five is the chapter called the Dementor. Give me a very brief summary of this. So they're on the train

[00:00:37] I almost said bus. Yeah, they're on the train and They stop in the middle of nowhere and then this the lights go out and the Dementor comes and then they're in the cart with Lupin

[00:00:50] Who was sleeping and then he wakes up and he casts Patronus essentially and then Harry passes out And then they go to Hogwarts. Okay now Give me your two-page essay on Dementors. No this okay. This is gonna come later because okay

[00:01:12] I'm gonna try to stay with the information we have because I will agree with you Actually, I won't agree with you. The Dementor here does not seem evil to me It's not it's just there

[00:01:25] Harry passes out. I don't know if it's good or bad. Like obviously it's a dark thing, but I'm not like super anti Dementors. I was like, maybe it's a Harry issue

[00:01:36] Maybe you know, like he's got other stuff going on inside him. Yeah, I'll give you that for sure I remember when I was in My sixth grade health class We had to watch something that was like a little bit like

[00:01:55] Graphic like it wasn't like a childbirth, but it was like, you know You know all the ins and outs of the health system and all of us were watching it It was like what was weird?

[00:02:03] And then I remember one kid in my class just collapsed and like he was just like couldn't yeah weak stomach He couldn't deal with it That's what I equate this to at the moment

[00:02:12] there are some kids that can look at Dementors and be fine with it and like Feel the feelings that the Dementor is giving you and they're okay with it Some of them like Harry couldn't and he just kind of faints and collapses doesn't mean he's weaker

[00:02:23] It just means he can't handle some of that stuff. Yeah, so up until this point I'll give you that they are Kind of not you But granted they're going on to a there. Maybe they're not evil, but they're not wise

[00:02:37] They're going on to a train with a bunch of children. They're ordered to complete their mission Do it? I don't their their mission according to Dumbledore and I guess they're skirting around this but they're not to go on to the grounds of Hogwarts

[00:02:57] Yeah, so I guess they're trying to get around that by invading the train Oh, I just saw this as like TSA like they need to do like Like what's coming in? That's how I saw this interesting. I that never crossed my mind

[00:03:12] Interesting cuz I thought they just had to do a sweep of everything and that's why Lupin was like Serious isn't under any of our cloaks or like in our luggage. That's what he said to them. Yeah, that's right

[00:03:22] That's fascinating. I know I've never looked at it in that light I looked at it as more as an invasion for them where they're not really allowed to do that But they're like finding a loophole because they're not a lot of the grounds of Hogwarts

[00:03:31] So they're like, okay, let's just go to the trains then So up until this point I kind of am with you. They're like a little bit more I struggle with saying morally neutral Well, okay The thing that really skews this is when other people start calling them evil

[00:03:49] Like if no one if Lupin never said they're evil or Dumbledore or Hagrid never said they're evil how evil would you actually think they are, you know, because Right now you have almost nothing to go off of yeah up until this point for sure

[00:04:05] When we get into the actual description of the mentors I am going to battle you I think we should have like a dementor debate segment We got a completely separate episode because I this is why I did this

[00:04:21] I wrote this out because I was like, I actually want to figure out like am I right or wrong? Yeah But my whole argument is resting on such a small like linchpin thing that I think Fundamentally you disagree with just even like knowing you as a person

[00:04:37] So I don't think I'll be able to convince you but I think you'll at least get where I'm coming from. I'll Listen with an open mind. Yeah, because I think you'll almost be like that's true for you But for me I still just

[00:04:54] Cuz it like it's just like how you see the world. What is the lynchpin? No, we'll get to that chapter 12 Thing okay, we have to get the chapter 12 today then we could have a dementor debate tonight. I'm down

[00:05:06] Okay down so then we'll do mentor debate after this deal and then leave that Episode really want to know Okay, so they do see the dementor in this chapter a few other random things happen

[00:05:22] Yeah, but they're kind of just on the train is Lupin sleeping. I think he's sleeping Yeah But he's sleeping for right reasons it was just a full moon He's probably got a recoup rates recover some of his strength So he's definitely very tired he's like very worn out

[00:05:46] Yes, one of the greatest characters in these books I love him so much They talk about the shrieking Shaq in this because they're talking about everything with Hogsmeade Had they learned Hagrid's gonna be a new teacher in this Oh Right in that part where it's like Dumbledore saying

[00:06:10] That Hagrid is care of magical creatures. It says Lupin Consented to the position and I just felt like that was such a strong word like Dumbledore had to like Beg him Yes

[00:06:24] More than just like he accepted the position like Hagrid did and obviously Hagrid's over the moon that he can teach at Hogwarts Yeah, but I was like consented to the position is such a strange way to put that So I was wondering if Dumbledore has like all this

[00:06:38] Like foresight to know that they need looping around with these dementors probably Because I don't know how Pre like how early on they're hired Because serious could have escaped and then Dumbledore been like, oh we need somebody who actually

[00:06:58] Knows what's going on? Do you think that at this point in the books that? Dumbledore knows that Sirius is innocent. Is he that all-knowing? At this point No because He didn't know that they were in a Justice Say confidently and all understand you

[00:07:35] Guess is that right? Yeah, I make it cuz I know they were that then I don't know what he Yeah, there's definitely a little bit of secrecy going on I'm curious if he knows that Serious is on the loose. That's when he went after Lupin was like hey

[00:07:57] Not Syria my phone That as soon as he knew that serious is on the loose He's like, okay I need someone that was close to serious

[00:08:04] Kind of knows certain things about him to be on this campus so that I can kind of pick his brain and go from there So I wonder if that was the reason and Lupin was just like fine. I'll be like your puppet for a little bit

[00:08:17] But if he knew serious was innocent then wouldn't he knew no pedigree is the The killer well, that's why I'm saying he doesn't necessarily know Serious is innocent at this point, but he knows that serious on the loose and is dangerous as according to Dumbledore

[00:08:35] So he's like I need someone that was close to serious who can give me insider information about this person What he was like and how powerful he actually is so that I can defend the school. Well And that would be Lupin. That would probably be Lupin. Yeah

[00:08:51] Because they think they think pedigree has died up until this point James is obviously dead serious is in prison The only other logical person is but I feel like Dumbledore has to know that the rat is not a rat Cuz like no. Yeah, it's almost

[00:09:07] Inconsistent to me because he sees the invisibility cloak like I don't I feel like he can see through the invisibility cloak He always knows what's happening. I feel like he has just the Marauders map in his mind. Yeah

[00:09:22] but I don't know how you could just be an animagus and No, I was in a Vegas and just Beast like right in front of Dumbledore and be under his nose and not like I don't know That's just crazy me the fact that he's 13 years old too

[00:09:41] And he probably came down in all it is a it is really interesting why? To have why Dumbledore really never saw Pettigrew and was suspicious of Pettigrew. I guess it's just out of sight out of mind. It's a rat

[00:10:00] Why would he be suspicious of something as small and insignificant as a rat? Maybe that's the work behind it But this the only the only plot hole ish thing I see in this book is that Dumbledore just didn't know everything that was happening here

[00:10:14] Which how could he for sure but like he's Dumbledore. He's like omniscient. He's like all-knowing He should know this stuff. I feel like he should have known from when like the four

[00:10:23] Marauders were students. Yeah for sure cuz even he's on to so much that Ron and Harry are doing that's breaking the rules Why didn't he get that from them? Especially knowing that Lupin is a werewolf as a kid and like putting the Whomping Willow there like protecting him

[00:10:42] And Dumbledore's lying about the Shrieking Shack keeping that up so that the whole town is scared of it Yet another reason I love that but not another reason to not trust him because he's not telling the truth, but it's like okay, maybe this is

[00:11:01] This is always icky territory, but he's doing it for a greater reason The greater good the greater good Is it though like this whole town is scared of it I think Part of me likes to think that Dumbledore saw such potential in Lupin

[00:11:20] Lupin is my easily my favorite out of the Marauders He's one of my favorites in the whole series And I think that maybe Dumbledore saw such potential in Lupin that he's like I want him at my school Even though he has lycanthropy

[00:11:34] Even though like we have to like really watch out with everything that he's doing He's like I'm gonna I'm gonna make up lies I'm gonna fabricate things so we can keep him here

[00:11:42] So because he he's Lupin is easily the best teacher that they've ever had. He's so fantastic So maybe Dumbledore saw that and was like I got to start training this kid up right now That's how I like to think that's legitimate yeah, I could see that

[00:11:59] But it is really fascinating why Dumbledore didn't really know all the things that were going on It's obviously not plow was like again How could he know?

[00:12:07] but this this rat has passed down in the Weasley family a very common family for years and years and years and he just didn't See there because there's there's only I think seven maybe eleven registered anime guy There's not a lot of anime anime guy that are registered

[00:12:22] So he knows all the ones that are and then he knows the ones that are illegally registered Which are the Marauders to protect the actually he doesn't know that because Lupin only Said that like right before he left which again is wild to me that Dumbledore never

[00:12:40] But he's like 50 years younger It's not 50 years younger it's only like 15 So Lupin, that's true because Lily and James are 20 when they died 21 when they died. What? Right, they had Harry very early and they were 21 when they died. So Lupin they were all like 21

[00:13:02] so Lupin right now is like 34 33 34 Lupin is my age. I'm redesigning He's not old he's not definitely not an old guy He's very young because I know it's saying oh, he looks so scraggly and he has gray hair But that's because he's a werewolf

[00:13:26] Mmm the stress on his life made him gray So he got bit by it when he was a kid Where does one come across a werewolf? His dad offended someone who is a werewolf and the werewolf went after his family on a full moon

[00:13:39] Bit loop and so Lupin was just an un was just a victim of a werewolf bite So do you like lose your mind in your werewolf? There's different there's different Not stages, but if there's a potion that's invented called the wolfsbane potion, which essentially means like your

[00:14:00] you transform but you're like subdued almost like a tranquilizer probably you're like subdued in your transformed state But they didn't invent the wolfsbane potion while Lupin was a student Which is why he needed to be detained in the Shrieking Shack which is why it's the Shrieking Shack a

[00:14:17] Dumbledore and he didn't lie about that necessarily. He just let the No, there is stories go he's like encouraging. Yeah, exactly. He's encouraging the Because people are saying it's haunted. So he just encourages that he's just like yeah, let the fire keep going

[00:14:33] He doesn't put the fire out right away. I guess that's like Bigfoot So but like the The wolf that bit Lupin still had his intentional like human mind of like I need to get revenge chomp Cuz it says Lupin's getting like more and more unhinged

[00:15:03] With his transformations, I think so So I think you probably would get more and more unhinged every transformation that you have But I again, I think the wolfsbane potion just lets you transform, but I think it lets you keep your human mind Keep your human mind

[00:15:17] So you're like just a werewolf like imagine like you burst into Lupin's office and he's like sitting at his desk and werewolf form Like writing notes. Oh Crap you saw me at a wolfsbane day

[00:15:30] But I think this werewolf he probably goes probably like a little bit crazier every single one Do they have like a short lifespan? No Yeah, they maybe have a shorter lifespan because they're living more dangerously because they don't really know what they're doing on their full moon cycle

[00:15:49] So like maybe they get into trouble and they got like shot because they're like, you know terrorizing something They don't really know what's happening. But would people kill a werewolf? because Like they know it's a person a

[00:16:02] Werewolf like if a werewolves attacking me what in your mind is As a werewolf, what does it werewolf look like a werewolf looks like a Wolf that's on its hind legs

[00:16:17] It's like standing up so a werewolf looks very similar to just a normal wolf they're hard to differentiate It's like a wolf but it looks like Bigfoot Yeah, I

[00:16:31] Mean wolves are massive. Yeah wolves are massive, but it's not a Bigfoot shot size of wolf werewolves are just wolves They're they're they're just like That's so pretty much the same size maybe a little bit bigger

[00:16:44] But the movies don't portray it that well, but um, oh, so you're gonna say that you don't know. It's a werewolf You think it's yeah but the only reason you know It's a werewolf is like we're living like, you know

[00:16:55] Right outside New York City if we all of a sudden start seeing like a pack of wolves Running around in our state. We're like, um, that's probably not Those might be werewolves we need to watch out got you. Okay, like a bunch of wolves are running around England

[00:17:12] I'm like, I don't know how many wolves exist in England We need to like figure out their territory. I Went to a wolf sanctuary once what I like could touch it. No way the fence. Yeah, it's crazy

[00:17:26] Very like they're very scary. They were just chilling like normal dogs, but I Tell you my wolf story Stories ever I was in Yellowstone and I was doing like solo hiking and I was trying to do a long backpacking trip

[00:17:41] But it fell through so I just went to Yellowstone and I was like doing some animal watching and all these people saw these this wolf pack on this Ridge and I was like

[00:17:50] Not sure cool. I looked through it and there was like it was like a mile away Barely see these wolves, but they everyone had like their binoculars and they're like little telescopes and they're pointing it at them And I'm like tomorrow morning

[00:18:01] I'm gonna go hike up there and see if I can like see any remnants of the wolves So I hiked for like an hour. I'm like in the middle of this like Ridgeline and just completely open completely isolated, too

[00:18:11] So I'm yelling out. Hey bear, so I don't get attacked by a bear and I yell it out one time and for me to like 50 To 60 feet away a wolf pops out looks at me and just dashes away up the Ridgeline and another one does it and another

[00:18:26] one does it and I had nine wolves that popped out of this little den and Saw me and bolted up and so there's nine wolves on the top of this Ridgeline and they're all running away from me and they

[00:18:36] All stop and they look back at me and I keep following him because they're not gonna attack me. They're Yellowstone wolves They're terrified of you. So the wind is blowing straight at my back and it's violently blowing straight on my back

[00:18:47] It's like really windy day. So I go up to the Ridgeline where they are I try to see if they went over the Ridgeline, but they wanted the tree line so I couldn't really see them anymore So I started walking back

[00:18:57] and all of a sudden I see this black tiny speck and it's just moving closer and closer to me and it's like Directly in line with where I am. So I have a video of this still And it looks further away than what it really is

[00:19:12] But I remember why did what any other person would do? I took out my phone and started taking a video of this and I crouched down in like the tall grass and the wolf came and he was probably like

[00:19:23] Like 50 yards away when he started to veer a little bit to my left And he started going a little bit around me and I have a video of him just like walking around me

[00:19:35] He doesn't catch my scent at all because the wind is going straight at my face this time and he goes and he keeps going 50 more feet above me So I'm like still videoing him and then all of a sudden he catches a scent of me

[00:19:47] He looks around and sees me and just bolts away like terrified and I was like, this is the coolest thing that I've ever None of them were werewolves it wasn't a full moon. So

[00:19:58] It's like one of my favorite hiking stories. It was it was one of the coolest experiences I've ever had hiking Wow It was so fantastic Yeah, it's crazy. I know it was it was great So fun Okay We only got through chapter one or chapter five

[00:20:18] What is chapter six Talon and tea leaves on? Lonnie Yep, I can't wait to talk about this so they meet they essentially meet your Lonnie Trelawney gives a bunch of predictions and I want to talk about all these predictions because

[00:20:30] You know a lot of the end of the story. We're not like really then but you know some of the details of it We're gonna can't can I keep kind of keep going through this and I'm only gonna I'm not gonna spoil anything

[00:20:38] But Trelawney is said to be a Like hoax in these books. Yeah, you think she's like 100% 100% accurate everything that she says I'm not there yet, I Don't think that's totally outlandish like I can see you you're where you're coming from with that. Yeah, but I Don't know

[00:21:01] I kind of like if you listen to season one of this Danny's theory that she will cause the thing to happen. Yeah that I was like I'm into that that seems really accurate to me like yes nevel breaking stuff. Yeah But I don't think she's a total fraud

[00:21:23] Because I feel like the future is probably changeable so you can't Like you could predict What's gonna happen? But someone might just like choose a different path on the way there and then the future is different than what you predicted it

[00:21:36] Because Dumbledore says something like that after the time-turner. He's like the future So like there's so many consequences to actions blah blah. That's why Trelawney has such a hard time. So I Don't think she's a complete fraud. And I think her like aura of

[00:21:52] Mystery is like on purpose. I think that's like self Preservation in a way like she doesn't want to just have Everybody asking her what's gonna happen to them and like I don't know I feel like she's probably way smarter than she even lets on She is definitely

[00:22:13] Everyone in the books thinks that she's a hoax even like Dumbledore flat-out is like She's only like, you know that ups at the end of the book this book He's like that up sir. Correct total predictions to to like Dumbledore thinks he's like such a fraud

[00:22:26] Hmm, but I think everything that she says has shades of being right. She just misinterprets it I don't I just don't think she's a good interpreter of the future. I think she is

[00:22:35] 100% a seer of the future. I just don't think she knows how to interpret what she sees One of the first predictions that she makes is Neville's grandmother is ill I'm not with you on this. Okay, what am I gonna say that?

[00:22:50] She sees is a weird dude way Neville's grandmother's clothes Like Neville's grandma looks so sick right now like so ill and then she says Neville like your grandma doesn't look very well. And so she just has never you I think your grandma's ill

[00:23:08] That's the first prediction. I think that's the first prediction No How much terrible vision would you need to have These things but she's bad at interpreting she's bad at interpreting everything that she had that comes her way

[00:23:21] She just only sees what's in front of her two front eyes. She doesn't have an interpretation for anything. That's very well Beware a redheaded man It's a Poverty Patel Padme Beware a redheaded man

[00:23:37] It's a Poverty Patel Padme Patel her twin sister dates Ron does goes on a date with Ron and it goes terribly So she is seeing this date go over terribly wrong

[00:23:48] Sees the twin sister and says and thinks that's Poverty and says Poverty you need to be where a redheaded man Looking at Ron knowing that Ron's gonna like screw her over on this date No, I feel like they're in her writing this

[00:24:02] JK is giving us options that we could splice into these little prophecy things and I don't think Like you trying to prove your point is like making it me less on like your side of this

[00:24:17] I don't know because there's so many different things that you could put in like those gaps Again agreed. There's so many things you can put in those gaps, but my thing is She she knows the future again, she is just bad at interpreting the future

[00:24:34] She sees these things happening like she's a true seer It takes a true seer and a good interpreter like a seer isn't necessarily someone who is good at interpreting the facts She just says stuff flat-out Like she might not see things like like again

[00:24:51] Maybe my perception of it is this some things that she sees really cloudy Some things that she sees a little bit more clear Like the prediction that she makes was serious in the end of this is a very very clear prediction

[00:25:01] She's like essentially a mouthpiece for something else that's happening. And that's kind of how I Yeah, when she gets all weird, that's like rigid That's a that's like for sure a true one But it's a true one big and those true ones come to her

[00:25:14] Those true ones come to anybody else in these books. Does anybody else have an else have a prophecy? So like my point is like why does no one else have a prophecy in these books?

[00:25:23] Why is it only Trelawney but it is only Trelawney because these prophecies are coming to a true seer She could actually be a true seer And then have like a 1 out of 10 like Accuracy and she's making up these other 9 out of 10 things

[00:25:41] Because she has to keep up her job not making them up. She sees them, but they're just cloudy So she takes guesses because she wants to be right. She has severe confidence issues No but even like by saying

[00:25:51] Something's gonna happen you're altering the person's future actions where she's like you're gonna be late and then that kid is like oh, well I was gonna be late today. So I'm just not going

[00:25:59] Like that kid is acting because she showed him his future. She didn't my here's my Neville she doesn't know anything about Neville nothing about Neville she Predicts that the clumsiest student in the entire class is gonna break it

[00:26:17] Yeah, you're gonna say of course Neville would like get really nervous and break that thing. I'm saying She just saw beforehand and was able to predict. How did she do that? Why didn't she say that to Ron?

[00:26:27] Why did she say that to Harry or Hermione Hermione would never have dropped it. That's true Like she knew Neville. She sees Neville's gonna break this. She doesn't know anything about she caused him to break it We'll never know She put a little spell on the

[00:26:44] Jump out of his hand But why okay then explain this why has none of those students ever died? Because if a student's told that he's gonna die every single year. Why don't they? she makes a death wish prediction and

[00:27:00] McGonagall's like none of that has ever come true. I have answers for all these I don't know of any of her prior predictions So I can't really come up with answers to any of the prior ones I can come up with an answer to Harry though

[00:27:11] No, you need to have the other ones If I had a list of them, I would come up with the reasons why why do you even need to know that?

[00:27:20] You don't so there is a point to it where I think she's in so there's a tube this is Deep time and Trelawney. I think it's a two-part thing I think Trelawney is very very insecure when I see her as a character. I think she's incredibly insecure

[00:27:36] I think she's a true seer but Simultaneously, I think that she makes these predictions these outlandish predictions that someone's gonna die for show She is a hundred percent a showman the show woman. She is like definitely doing things to rile the crowd up

[00:27:54] The only predictions I mean, I don't know I would mean I would definitely come up with justification for every single one that she does For every student that she predicts. I only know Harry's I can come up with justification for that one for sure

[00:28:05] She's the one in this book where she's like tonight the rising There's another one and we're gonna talk about this one later on but she says She freaks out in one moment because there's 13 dying at a table

[00:28:23] She freaks out and because she thinks another person is gonna join the table And she says whoever is the first person to rise is gonna be the first to die Do you know who rises first at that table? No, because they go at the same time nope

[00:28:43] Well, you're kind of right. They do go at the same time, but there's a there's a there's a cooler note in this before she shows up She thinks that there are 12 at the table

[00:28:53] But it is it makes a very specific note that scabbers was also there at the table Feasting on something there were already 13 people at the table You know who the first person to stand up when Trelawney entered into the room was?

[00:29:07] It's none other and you know this person dies none other than Elvis Dumbledore is the first person to stand up So she makes this prediction or she does not really a prediction. It's more of like a Urban legend, I guess it's like

[00:29:22] Yeah, yeah and this this pops up all the time Danny has always been suspicious of 13 people that are ever dining at a table and her predictions are

[00:29:31] Though that's like a good indicator of a person that's going to die is the first person to stand up in these books we'll go through a few other ones of the first person that dies and

[00:29:39] Dumbledore is the first person that dies at the table. And when Trelawney sits down, there's 14 people at the table Wes stop stop it. Come on Interesting I'll keep breaking into Trelawney bits as we go because I am very convinced that she is

[00:29:56] Actually convinced convinced you're not doing this for the Not doing this for the views. I actually think that she is I again it is It's softer than you think it is. I'm not like she's making perfect predictions about everything

[00:30:10] I just think that she has the ability to see into the future I think I think this can kind of be trained as well I think Hermione is actually a little bit wrong and how she understands Hermione to be which is like dry

[00:30:20] She has no aptitude to do this I do think anybody can look into this these signs and like figure things out But I think Trelawney goes a step further and that she can actually see certain things that happen in the future

[00:30:31] But she just doesn't know how to interpret it. She she knows all the book smart She knows like oh, you know this sign if it's in the bottom of your your teacup means this it means like a bad omen Yada yada yada

[00:30:48] Maybe she's just very elementary at her craft Like and she hasn't even mastered it. Yeah, maybe there's there's definitely a possibility for that But we'll I'll keep breaking into those There's there's a lot more that she kind of gives that we'll kind of talk about

[00:31:09] All right, let's go on to chapter 7 which is the bog art and the wardrobe there's there's even mentions yet There's so much in these chapters we could talk about because we talked about the Dementor a little bit in these But we'll say the Dementor discussion for

[00:31:28] Later separate. Yep separate podcast. We can go for hours. I'll get you I mean you can't get me with Trelawney, but I can get you We'll see. We'll see The next one is the bog art and the wardrobe

[00:31:41] Actually before we do that, they do learn about anime guy if you could transform it Did you yeah cuz you said a duck I said that yeah

[00:31:53] Maybe it was your spirit animal if you could transform it to any animal, which would which animal would you try to transform into? Maybe like a camel. I just saw a camel on my I don't know Do you have an answer?

[00:32:16] I can I can ask these questions. There's so many options. I know I can't even think of all the animals in the world Didn't you say you like you like fish? Oh, yeah that being a fish would be really fun Yes

[00:32:37] All right, we'll definitely hit a hit some of the anime gets talked a little bit later too But let's talk about the bog art and the wardrobe chapter 7 Give me a very quick summary of this one

[00:32:46] Lupin teaches his class and it's very fun. Yeah, yeah, that's a great. It's one of the best lessons I've ever had It's not a best lesson. It's such a good lesson. This is the first time I feel like you get a a

[00:32:56] Really long look at what actual classes. Yes So that's kind of fun. I love that too And it's so hands-on and he's actually nice and a good teacher and like cheering people on encouraging them. Yep

[00:33:10] He really is the greatest teacher that they've ever had he is a fantastic person I love him so much I think if it wasn't for him being a werewolf like he would just thrive

[00:33:19] So much professor, but he has so much shame and so much like guilt heaped up about being a werewolf that He would be very self-sabotage. He is very self-sabotaging. So he he would never Continue as long as he's a werewolf

[00:33:36] He's like I'm just doing this almost as a favor to Dumbledore like he consents to the post of this, you know He's like he almost has to but he is legitimately dangerous, too. Yes, exactly

[00:33:50] It's not ideal. Yeah, not ideal at all. But again the wolfs and potion he's legitimately dangerous, but they they it is a little wild that Dumbledore doesn't That this isn't really communicated to him. He's not really Dumbledore doesn't

[00:34:06] That this isn't really communicated to some of the students as well. Again, maybe a little Dumbledore shading is going on right there But to the parents the parents I feel like should know about a werewolf being a teacher I know it's like very taboo everything like that

[00:34:20] But so does he not turn into werewolf with this potion? I forget no he does but he just retains his human mind essentially Yeah, so it's probably pretty dangerous and if he bites anybody with the wolfsbane push and I think they still become a werewolf

[00:34:34] So he still just goes to the shrieking shack He just calls it curls up in his office He essentially locks himself in his office has a transformation and has to recover for like a week or so And then he could start teaching again

[00:34:48] So what if like does he have paintings in his office that could like tattle on him I don't think so there's every every office is decorated a little bit differently and his office just has a lot of

[00:35:00] Like creatures in it and there's no I don't think there's any paintings in his office though None that are at least explicitly written in the in the books It's a great question though

[00:35:12] Yeah, what a terrible tattletale of a painting. I have I have a good paintings question when we get to the fat lady All right, great But my thought for this chapter I have a note That Peaves is like

[00:35:32] Peaves came at the very dawn of the school because he was like, he's the oldest ghost Yeah, I don't know. He talked about this about like not a ghost. Oh He's a poltergeist. Okay he's like a

[00:35:47] Poltergeist, but he started with the students and like they had their like weird energies in it But so Peaves would have probably been there when Lupin and all these people were yeah so then Like I guess Peaves wouldn't know that he's a werewolf

[00:36:05] but I feel like maybe I Feel like Peaves has so much Opportunity to be a spoiler of stuff like Peaves could have known about the Marauders map or like that. They were all Doing something like I don't know and Peaves should know

[00:36:21] He should know more of like when the school was formed because I'm not saying he was formed on the exact day that school started but He kind of he probably it definitely wasn't the original founding but he was founded probably the first year at the school existed because

[00:36:35] He is a collection of the students mischievous energy That is what Peaves essentially is poltergeist as that's like the form of a poltergeist. Yeah, he was created early

[00:36:46] So I'm actually that's a great question whether Peaves Peaves is probably one of the greatest sources of knowledge in the school But I don't think he cares about knowledge. He cares about mischief so even if even if he knew that you

[00:37:03] He kind of does actually know that Lupin's a Werewolf, maybe not. I think he just knows the nicknames because he calls him Looney Lupin. Yeah But imagine if he did and he was like guys

[00:37:18] Like chaos and you can't get rid of him either that's a great point I guess like Dumbledore could petrify him but Maybe I don't know that has to be a fascinating one make him look into a basilisk size

[00:37:37] That was like my only thought cuz Peaves showed up again That's a really fascinating one. I have no answers for that one I also wrote Peaves is solid cuz he's a poltergeist Right. He's not like you can't go through him. Mmm, I

[00:37:55] Think I read that on the fandom. He can go I think he can go through walls He can float. I Don't think I don't know. I don't think you can go through him He can he can control material

[00:38:12] Like other people can't control material like ghosts can't control much They can like control a little bit of the wind that like passes when you like your hair is gonna go up a little bit

[00:38:22] When they pass you you'll feel a little colder, but Peaves can actually control objects That's a really fascinating point about Peaves. I've never thought about that The real question I have for this chapter What would you what would pop out as a boggart for you?

[00:38:42] I've thought about this. Um, I think a ghost I'm like super spooked out Yeah, what do you said like ghosts and hogwarts are a little cast for good?

[00:38:52] Yeah, but I don't even know because I had that thought too and then all of the other students things sound scary So there's just so many options It's a big old guy walks out of that

[00:39:18] That because I don't have like a thing that I'm just fearing every day that just is like constantly there Like there's times where you're like, oh that Idea is scary or that person's creepy. Yeah, but I'm not like oh

[00:39:33] Whatever this like green-faced lady is like that's my biggest fear in life It is interesting like as these students their fears are less abstract and much more like Things and they're all wizardy things. Yeah, they're all wizardy things. Yeah, which is really fascinating

[00:39:54] Like I think I think that was that stuffy true when I was a kid to you like I was probably like I was probably if I was a a eighth Raiders this time which is what you are and

[00:40:04] And I think like a t-rex would pop out of that I was deathly afraid of dinosaurs t-rexes and I was good Jurassic Park movies scared me so much with t-rexes So t-rex would probably pop out but now as an adult it'd be like, you know

[00:40:17] the fear of abandonment Whatever that would materialize Or like, you know the fear of whatever like people would be like What is the fear of commitment look like in a bog art form, you know, just like a wedding

[00:40:40] But it is it is really interesting because for the adults there's a there's a I'm not gonna spoil really too much But there is an adult that encounters a bog art and it is much more an abstract fear

[00:40:55] Portrayed through something terrible that is happening and it's actually a really chilling part to read And we'll get there when we get there in a few books, but Lupin's is just the moon because yeah that it just makes sense

[00:41:07] But he's isn't like again. What do you think? Lupin's fear actually is is it the moon? Is it his transformation? Yeah, that's why I don't think it can be an idea or like yeah arbitrary, it needs to be like a

[00:41:24] Pinpointed object because he's not scared of the moon He's scared of like everything that's he's transforming into or like the fact that he might put students in danger. Yes But I don't think he's I don't even think he's scared of the moon. I think he's scared of himself

[00:41:37] Like what he could potentially do to people so that's why he is such a it should have turned into a werewolf I know what he what the bogger? Yeah, but he's not afraid of werewolves. He's afraid of what the moon

[00:41:48] that's why I like that it was the moon because he's not necessarily afraid of Just general werewolves like his fear isn't the werewolf that bit him his fear is what he transforms into his fear It's like the Jekyll and Hyde thing. He has no fear for

[00:42:03] Just these werewolves that exist out there. He is more afraid of what he would do to people When he transforms his fear is his transformation and There's a lot packed into that that I think is like really fascinating. Yeah, I

[00:42:17] Definitely the first time I read that I knew that was the moon, but I didn't understand I think now that I'm thinking about it and that you say When you're in eighth grade or whatever when I was a kid, I was terrified of tornadoes

[00:42:36] Oh gosh, and every time there was like a weather show on TV or like the storm chasers I would freak out and I would like cry and I couldn't watch it Yeah, and I was so scared all the time

[00:42:49] So probably at that or maybe not that age, but at one point in my life tornadoes Yeah, that would terrify me too. I remember I watched a movie

[00:43:00] I think it was just called tornado or something like that. It's a twister twister. Yeah. Yeah twister was like my worst nightmare Yeah, I love it. It was so scary. It's terrifying. Yeah hated it. I'm scared of drowning in a car

[00:43:13] That is like really really specific. Yeah, like I do not want to drown in a car Maybe that's what it would turn into Cuz like what's your worst way of dying cuz that could be yeah, that could be it too That's like that's the other thing

[00:43:28] I would actually be fascinated to see what it would turn into for me because like I have like things that I'm you know Afraid of generally, but I don't know what my biggest fear would be

[00:43:35] So it'd be illuminating for this thing to actually like transform into something. I don't know my the the scariest way to die I don't know like Bernie being burnt alive or something like that like for super painful way to die

[00:43:54] Or like being tar and feathered I went out once I read that in a book I was like There's no worse way to die than being turned tarred and feathered That'd be awful. Yeah, I've seen some like torture devices in museums

[00:44:08] So all yeah, like how do why do people even think of that? It's bad I had a thought but I lost it Sorry, I'll come back to you eventually Oh does the I feel like the Bogart Bogart Stop you cannot Bogart

[00:44:29] Bogart I think it needs the intention of like having a fear in front of it Like I don't know if it can materialize your worst fear and you're like, oh I am scared of that

[00:44:39] I feel like it almost needs you to set the tone. That's the way I Actually like that trade it because I think it would change at different parts I think cuz that's a great point because Lupin is actually a

[00:44:51] little confused with Harry when Harry steps in front of it because he initially thinks it's gonna transform into Lord Voldemort and even Harry says like oh, yeah, I thought of him first, but then I thought of dementors So is it essentially maybe just material or changes?

[00:45:07] Whatever is in the forefront of your mind, which is why the ridiculous charm actually works because you're able to Make it whatever is in your mind

[00:45:14] It just transforms into so like you think you picture that in your mind and you use a spell and it transforms into that That's a great point I think it definitely does transform straight into whatever is like the person is thinking at that moment

[00:45:28] It's a little yeah because it's a bit more superficial than the mirror of Erised That's a great point. Thanks. Nice work Anything else in this chapter Yeah Boggart is really fascinating thing though. All right, uh the last one the flight of the fat lady

[00:45:53] Great chapter so good is this oh, I know this is not where it is It's a great ending to this chapter. This is one of the best endings Okay, it is that this serious black. Is it that one? Yep. Yeah that made me like scream and like

[00:46:15] Finish this and then I was like well can't go to bed now It's so good, I know it really is What's your what's your painting theory or question? Oh, well, I guess this comes in like a lot later, too but the paintings really have like a lot of

[00:46:44] responsibility because The fat lady is essentially putting her life on the line. Like I don't know if she can die But like the paintings I feel like almost have to have Like a hiring process like how do you get to be in Hogwarts because she's like

[00:47:02] They I guess they trust her enough to be the guardian of all these kids. Yeah, and then She like is gonna get traumatized and hurt by serious black But then I like you can't just go to the store and buy a painting because you think it's cool

[00:47:17] Like these are real people Mm-hmm What what are they like, how does that work days they're like if you go to the Museum of Modern Art like I know you Well, those paintings wouldn't really come alive like the the Met if you go to the Met they're like

[00:47:35] Just paintings of people even if they're signified by real people. It's not the person itself It's just a painting of that person, but there is different sentient levels for paintings So this is something that like the headmasters You seem like the headmasters in the headmasters office

[00:47:50] there's paintings of all them around and each headmaster is actually encouraged that the a Portrait of the headmaster is painted early on in their headmaster career And the headmaster is actually encouraged to spend time every single day with their painting So the painting actually

[00:48:04] Understands it more and can gain a little bit of wisdom from the actual person so that when the person dies The painting is more Is like has more of the the person's mind in them

[00:48:16] But these other paintings are just like it's like that painting on the wall right there It's like those people just kind of walking around. They're not real Painting and there's this little baby and I make it my guardian to this dormitory

[00:48:30] That baby's not gonna fight for these lives like that baby's just gonna be like peace I'm gone, but they're little peace and God, but they'll go into another painting I don't know if they can legitimately open the the thing without letting password

[00:48:44] It's probably something maybe it's like programmed into the paintings that they she literally cannot open the door unless the password is given It can't be like you can't like convince this person of other otherwise But there's there's other There's other ways

[00:49:03] each of the other common rooms has a different not necessarily a different way of getting in but They're a little different of how you get into them. It would actually I think Gryffindor is

[00:49:13] And Slytherin's with the password is like very much programming that if you get the password you can go in if you don't have it You just cannot gain access

[00:49:21] Even if you destroy the painting even though like the purse the the fat lady like literally cannot open the door Unless the password is given. Is it just a hole in the wall behind her? Yeah, pretty much

[00:49:31] Isn't Ravenclaw's like a math problem or something? I'd say it's a logic. It's like a riddle which is But still I feel like you'd have to choose wisely to have your painting yeah for sure That's why they pick circa duggin after and he's like just this

[00:49:51] He's a weirdo. You're like brave, but he's like a little bit of an idiot. Yeah He is yeah, I do kind of like him. I think he's great There is a line in this chapter that I actually want to talk about for a bit

[00:50:08] Lupin talks to Harry. I actually want to find this. I didn't write it down. Do you just want that line? Give me a little bit of context around so he's talking if it would be Voldemort or the Dementor and then

[00:50:23] Lupin said Voldemort's name and then clearly I was wrong said Lupin still frowning But I didn't think it was a good idea for Lord Voldemort to Materialize in the staff room. I imagine that people would panic but then Harry said honestly

[00:50:38] I I remember those dementors. I see said Lupin thoughtfully well. Well, I'm impressed He smiled slightly at the look of surprise on Harry's face that suggests that what you fear most of all is fear Very wise Harry

[00:50:52] Okay, great how is fearing fear wise I don't understand that line He just heard Roosevelt say that and thought that sounded smart. So he just repeated Because Roosevelt said that before that this happened I love that So Lupin stealing from US presidents

[00:51:16] Like I don't get how a Dementor Is fear itself? Yeah, it's not it's not that's not a word I would use to describe it you could group that in the negative emotions

[00:51:28] But that's not really what they want and they want the happy stuff. Anyway, I'm kind of with you on that because Lupin says something that like Confuses me cuz I still don't fully understand why they want Harry so much more

[00:51:40] But Lupin says it's because there's so much more horrors in Harry's life Yeah, and I'm like that's not what they want. Like they want his happiness Yeah, it's a fascinating discussion actually So I didn't I don't know

[00:51:58] I'm in the same boat as you I don't know what that means. I Guess like fear is paralyzing and as long as you're not taking action you're

[00:52:11] Succumbing to your surroundings in your situation. So as long as you're not fearful you can take action and you can own the situation but There's better ways to say that. Yeah, like I'm fitting that into maybe that's what he meant

[00:52:25] But I don't know. I don't even know why Roosevelt said that so I mean he said that as propaganda The only thing to fear. Yeah It's fear itself Like you say that in times of war so like people can calm down a little bit

[00:52:39] You know, you'd have to fear these other people that are coming at you. You really have to just fear fear itself You're like no, I'm pretty sure I can fear like these people that are coming to kill me, too

[00:52:47] Yeah, I fear the missiles shooting through the air. Yeah Yeah, I don't know do you have any theories since you're so no not really that that's always been a weird line to me because I'm with you. I don't think dementors really represent fear. I think they represent

[00:53:06] Something different from fear I think they represent Almost sadness and depression a little bit more than they do fear I think bog arts actually represent fear in a much more significant way than dementors do when he says that I'm like, I don't think to mentors really

[00:53:25] Fit the bill But the if you were just like even just to isolate that line I guess it's wise in that you realize that you don't really need to fear anything Like phobias are all essentially irrational

[00:53:45] Like what do you have to fear about some of this kind of stuff? Yeah, that's true The next line is Harry did not Harry didn't know what to say to that. So he drank some more tea That's like us right now we don't really understand that so

[00:54:02] Let's end the podcast. Thanks for joining us on this journey of Harry Potter in the first place Did you have anything else to say about these? Interrupted your train of thought no, no, that was great because I don't really like like again

[00:54:16] I'm like almost with Harry like Lupin says this and I'm like, oh, you know, it's like great whatever but I just think I Don't know this one. It's always struck me as a strange line so I like this whole conversation though, yeah, because Lupin's giving him information Yeah

[00:54:34] that he really needs the Harry really needs and then Harry's also like trusting him and then I love when he starts talking about Snape and he's like flirting out these things and he's like

[00:54:44] Snape likes the dark arts. Yeah, and obviously Lupin knows that Snape was helping him and all this stuff But Harry's like trying to protect Lupin is like oh no don't die. You're gonna get poison He wants to slap it the potion of his hand Yeah

[00:55:04] All right, let's go over favorites who is your favorite character and what is your favorite moment in these four chapters I Feel like I have to say Lupin yeah, this is kind of where he comes to his I Don't know what my favorite moment is I

[00:55:39] Think I think Lupin's my favorite and I think my favorite moment is when they're just having a conversation with each other Because I think it's like what really the first person like Harry's able to confide in other people

[00:55:49] And he has like Hagrid. He has some of these other people, but I don't know if he's had to have like an adult Figure who's been wise and so accessible like Dumbledore is that but he's not accessible

[00:56:00] Harry can't go to Dumbledore whenever he really wants to you probably can but he's like a little intimidated by that Lupin on the other hand seems a bit more like down-to-earth than Dumbledore

[00:56:11] So their conversation that they have I love that because like the first time Harry's really been able to ask Deeper questions about the magical world and he's really been able to get some answers about it

[00:56:23] Yeah, Lupin feels really real yeah, and that's like why I don't like Dumbledore's cuz I don't know Yeah, but Lupin is like happy. Yeah And I feel like the favorite moment is when the painting gets destroyed such a good moment

[00:56:39] It is one of my favorite chapter enders of all time. Yeah Well, thanks for joining us on our journey of Harry Potter and the second time reader You should have said that you gotta say that

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