The Fellowship of the Ring: Ch 13-15

[00:00:00] Who's your guys favorite member of the Fellowship? Aragorn. Ooh, Aragorn Gandalf. You guys had like a little rivalry, a stare off right there. How dare you say that? Honestly, it's just because I summarized it. Because I don't really know what happened. Gandalf has better lines to me though. Yeah, he does. And he's really funny. He's a protector. I'm not getting any of this. Oh.

[00:00:32] Aragorn had some good moments. He is... I think I'm kind of going off of the character I picked when I play the game. That's great. He does to me seem like the protector of the group. Everything that happens, it's like Gandalf consults with Aragorn first to make sure that they're all safe. Like the snowstorm too. Yeah. Look, I remember something. I know. I think as the story progresses, you're going to remember more and more.

[00:01:01] Yeah, I hope so. Oh yeah, I'm excited to talk about these three because... It's alright, I'm going to talk as much now. I'm like snowstorm shoot. Wait, seriously? No, I thought I read three chapters. I also, I didn't finish the last chapter by like a couple pages. But you know the ending. Wait, once it starts snowing out. The Council of Aragorn was split into two. Oh, dude. Did you read the Brinko South? Yeah. Well, because what happened is I started in the book and then I switched to the thing and hit play. I was like, wait a second. You probably just did up to the Council of Aragorn. So we'll just do that. I might have.

[00:01:31] That'll be fine. But no, no, the Ringo South. I was. I know. Wait, was the Ringo South split in the thing? No, the Council of Aragorn was split. Wait, you should have done you afters one, two, and three. I'm just going to look because the Ringo South must have been a short... No, it was like an hour and 15 minutes. No, it's a short part of the book though. Did they leave? That's the problem. I did the Ringo South and then I could have sworn it split. No, it's two parts chapter three in the book, the audiobook. Not in my book. Let me see. I don't know what you're listening to.

[00:02:01] If they started leaving, then that's the Ringo South. If they're still in the window. Ah, the Ringo South. I did the first listening, not the second listening. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Yeah. So the Ringo South is split into two? In the audiobook it's split into two. Yeah. It's not in ours. Council of Elrond is split into four. That's weird. The Council of Elrond for me is split into two. This just happened in the last minute where I was like today, I'm like, oh, I don't, I'm not going to finish in time. Yeah, my Andy Circus audio. Let me switch to the audiobook. In what? Andy Circus audio? You're doing the Andy Circus one, right?

[00:02:30] I did do the audiobook. No way! I did. There's two little... Wait, let me go to an audiobook. I sent you guys and I was like, oh my gosh, chapter three is like never ending. It was, it was like an 80 minute chapter. Chapter... That's the problem. It was so short for me because I only listened to the first part. Danny's like, this chapter is a breeze. The first chapter is 30 minutes. The second is 43. I think I listened to the whole thing.

[00:03:01] That's my problem. Well, it's in two parts. It's almost 30 pages in this little book. Well, I'll have to catch up after we leave, but I hear there's something about a snowstorm. So... And the Council of Elrond was so boring. What? But it was so great, Jen. I got nothing out of it. It was incredible. And you're gonna have to refresh my memory, I guess. Why is there a... I... There's a locked icon on my phone because I'm listening to it on my computer. So maybe it's...

[00:03:30] It's locked there? Okay. You can only rent it in one place. Thank you. Someone said, I'm listening to it with Nemo on Live Reads. Oh nice. I listened to the whole thing, Jen. So get off my back. Yeah, boom. I... It is still broken up in two parts though, just saying. Well, on the computer, imagine it changes. Probably, yeah. I'm gonna show you right here. But it does just continue playing. I have my computer literally sitting in my lap and I'm like, why can't I get it on my computer?

[00:03:58] See, if you just actually read the book... Shut up! Solves all the problems. Honestly, what was I doing? Um... I actually feel like even the part that I did do the audiobook for, I'm like, I have to read it again because there's a lot of gems. But aren't they... They're going south because of the snow, right? No, they're going south because just the direction they're going in. I looked at it on a map. So... Here's the map. Here's the map of Middle Earth.

[00:04:28] They're right here where Rivendell is. There's like a long stretch of mountains right here. They go along the stretch of mountains and they're gonna go through the pass, which is... What's the pass called? It's like famous. I kind of skip over. Caradun. Caradun. That's your guys' realm. Something like that. I don't know. Wait, we're gonna get there. There's a section where Aragorn and Gandalf are talking. They're like, the only other section that goes if we keep going south is Rohan.

[00:04:57] And Aragorn's like, I don't want to take the ring past Rohan because of everything that Gandalf said about Saruman. Yeah. Wow, this is gonna get confusing. So they cut across, they tried to go, they were going east at the end of this chapter. But they were trying to figure out a way to go... To go south without going through his area. No, they're trying to figure out a way to go west. East. Yeah, that's not west. East. East. I am all over the place. East.

[00:05:27] East. East. East. East.

[00:05:59] East. East. East. East. East. East. is where Saruman is. The guy who captured Gandalf. Okay. And he was the one who was the white wizard. Now he's like Mr. Colorful Wizard. Yeah, that was crazy. Which is so weird. I'm like, why'd they cut that from the books? Because then it feels like, I don't know this whole

[00:06:28] wizard color thing, but if he's Radagast the brown and then Gandalf the gray and Saruman the white becomes colored. I think there's a red and green one? Gandalf can step into the white role. Yeah, I think that's what he does. And I'm like, who are these other colors? That's why Gandalf is funny to me because he's like, I like white better. Yeah. I like white better than me like so much. I miss that. It's so funny. Wait, really? But yeah, he's all iridescent or holographic right now, like changing colors. Wait, really? By the way,

[00:06:58] I missed the... Chapter one, chapter two, chapter three. It's all one unit for me. So. Oh, nice. Whatever. Why can't it handle on your phone then? I don't know. It's locked on my phone. It doesn't even let me. So you both read the right amount, right? Yes. I just am a few pages short. Wait, wait. The Misty Mountains are, it's that whole thing. Danny's all over the place. Okay, cool. Danny didn't even... Yeah, I was all over the place. That was my fault. So where did you end? They had just started their journey.

[00:07:29] Okay. And then it snows. Well, honestly, I would like, I feel like they didn't leave yet. They were like walking out of Rivendell. That's right when disc one ends on the movies. It felt right when it switched to this new thing. I'm like, oh, no, I can't listen to it anymore. She's so afraid of the spoiler. Yeah, it was like great timing. That's so funny. All right, we will go up to that point then. You guys can keep going.

[00:07:58] Talk freely. I'll catch up later and I'll skim when we get there. Let's... So these were crazy. Council of Routen was crazy long and there was a lot of lore attached to it. So we'll get there. I don't want to go over a ton of lore. That's why I skipped it. There was so much stuff there. My favorite chapter, I should say my favorite chapter up until this point is chapter 13. That really got me into this book more than I've ever gotten. Which is chapter three. Yeah, like where you ended. You were getting into it

[00:08:28] at the end, right? I'm talking about chapter one. Nice. Chapter one of book two. This is going to be so confusing. Oh, yes. Oh, this is. Can we talk so I understand? Yeah, John is saying this chapter that we just read like this chunk he got into. All right. So chapter 13, which is chapter one. Is there a title to this chapter? Yes. Many meetings. That's going to be our thing. We're going to use chapter titles. Yeah, yeah. Right, right. Good call. Many meetings was a chapter

[00:08:57] that really got me into it. I was listening to Council of Routen and I think I just did too much passive listening. So I was like out of it. So there was stuff that was happening that was like lore oriented and I couldn't figure some of the stuff out. So that's why look at this guy. He's so cute. Hey, buddy. So I got to I think I'm going to just start reading it now. Yes. But I just need a good copy to read. These are fine. The copy that I have is terrible. This is literally fine. No, no, no, no. What? It's too small?

[00:09:27] It's like just doesn't My old eyes. I can't read that. Although I just go to the eye doctor yesterday and I was fine. He's 2020. Nice. Excellent. And then the last chapter when they're actually on the journey that one was exciting to me. It finally fell out there on their way. The last bit of the last chapter I liked. Gave Jen hope. Good. I'm glad you got there. But I was passive reading too so many of them but I'm not going to read so it's either passive or none. It's like a test of how good it is if you actually

[00:09:57] get into it then. Yeah. Because you have audio books that you're like oh I love this. Exactly. Exactly. So it's like we're going to get there. So come on let's get going with this. But let's give a quick summary of many meetings. What happens in this chapter? Yeah please. Frodo's first day awake. He was asleep for four days and then he wakes up. So this chapter is his first day. He's in Rivendell. He sees friends. He sees Bilbo, Aragorn,

[00:10:26] Arwen, Elrond, Gloyne and more. There's an elf meal and some singing. Yeah. There were many meetings. There were many meetings indeed. What? That makes so much sense. Okay. I can't remember now. There were a lot of like this is great writing. There were a lot of cute lines in this. But he has one line again off in the beginning where he says there are many powers in the world

[00:10:56] for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured but my time is coming. The Morgul Lord and his black riders have come forth. War is preparing. What is Gandalf talking about here? What do you guys think? Because this one I like half these lines in here can kind of confuse me. Wait, say it again. Because he said against some I have not yet been measured but my time is coming.

[00:11:25] He hasn't been tested right? Yeah. With this power? Maybe. But his time is coming. Does he have like any kind of legitimate seeing power into the future? Is he just assuming that he has to do that? Oh, he's got seeing powers. Yeah, that's a great point. I think he does but it hasn't really been confirmed. But he made a comment about like Gollum that just was too good. I was like he must have some inklings

[00:11:54] if not actual foresight just like feelings. Yeah. Because he's been pretty accurate with some of those already. But not with his buddy Sauron or whatever. Sauron. Yeah. Well, even that though, that was another thing. The door closed behind him when he got to Isengard and it said and he felt a little like nervous or unsafe or there was like a negative word that he felt and he didn't know why. Yeah. So again, it's just like one of those things where he's got yeah, it was in the book and so he he's got

[00:12:23] some kind of intuition some kind of insight whether it's direct or not I don't know but this line feels like something. Yeah. The Morgul Lord and his Black Riders and I because I know the movies I'm like trying to piece it together with something in the movies but I don't know if I don't know if it's that or if it's just like something more generic like is I don't know like time is coming. Yeah. Maybe he's like

[00:12:52] sensing Sauron's turning bad though because I don't know how much they actually talked to each other before but they're in the same league of wizards. Right. True. And they're close enough that he can just go visit them but I don't know. I just hate how close he was to the Shire and he turned around. That was so funny. Wait, can you just write that? We'll get there. It's in a future chapter. We're just peeking ahead. It's been so mad. That's already. When I say future

[00:13:22] I mean like the next chapter. Yeah. Um. What's that guy's name? Wrong. Radagash? Radagash. That's a good name. I think it's something like that. Yeah, Radagash. Is he the weird one from Radagash? Is he the one from The Hobbit? Yeah. I couldn't remember him in reading The Hobbit but I remember him from The Hobbit movie. I don't know if he was in The Hobbit. Oh, that's interesting. Okay, so they could have just added him knowing that he existed because of this but us movie watchers

[00:13:51] never knew he existed. That's interesting. And then another one that was mentioned finally Bayorn was mentioned again. Well, I don't know. We're not going to talk about that that much. Oh, yeah. But his son was mentioned as being so intimidating that like he controlled one part of the forest that's like huge that orcs don't even venture there because they're so terrified of this guy. Like that's a cool aura, right? And they like kept the passage open, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. Yeah. I love that. But yeah, there were a lot of really

[00:14:21] good and interesting lines. I'm going to read a few because this is what I have in my notes. There was one just the feeling of Rivendell was pretty cool. Frodo said but so far my only thought has been to get here and I hope I shan't have to go any further. It is very pleasant just to rest. I have had a month of exile an adventure and I find that has been as much as I want. And another line it says caught between fire and water and seeing an elf lord revealed in his wrath

[00:14:51] they were dismayed and their horses were stricken with madness. Which that was a cool line to me because Glorfindel has like this aura around him and I was talking to Nemo about it today a little bit too when we were listening and he was talking to me about like Glorfindel is just too like big for his britches. Hmm. Because he he has a moment in lore where he slew Balrog which I thought was crazy cool. That's awesome. Yeah. So like

[00:15:20] he's with Gandalf you'll see this in a few chapters. I don't even know what you said. A crazy a crazy demon creature. He killed one of those things. Wow. So that was one I need vocab like that's like nice. Vocab for the pod. I remember when we were watching the movie I was like why do the horses just run away from the water? Like what is that about? But it was saying how the black riders their horses are made in Mordor and then Gandalf was like

[00:15:50] I added a special touch to the flood. Like I don't know I feel like that was kind of interesting. I added a few touches of my own. You may not have noticed but some of the waves took the form of great white horses with shining white riders and there were many rolling and grinding boulders. For a moment I was afraid that we had let loose too fierce of wrath and the flood would get out of hand and wash you all away. There was great vigor in the waters that came down or that come down from the snowy from the snows of the misty mountains. It was a great line.

[00:16:20] Wait that's what happened in the movie. Yeah. But it was Gandalf? Yeah Gandalf I guess was the one that was compelling it along. In the movie it's Arwen. Arwen like kind of called it. Yeah. You know used some Elvish and called the river. But even in the books Gandalf like helps facilitate it but Elrond is really the one that does it. He's like the one that has these waters patrolling and they like listen to him. So I'm curious how that all worked in real time.

[00:16:50] Like what that like they're there like watching or they get a little notification and they're like quick let's go stir up the river. Gandalf's like wait wait throw some horses in there. I'll help. Yeah it's interesting. I wonder if they gave Arwen that moment just so she had like her time to shine. Otherwise I don't know what she's gonna do now. Right. Yeah exactly. What else is there? Because she was just hanging out at the feast that was pretty much it. She's not doing much. It's like a love story that they probably pulled into. Yeah.

[00:17:20] They've got to. So they had to make her do some more she could have her airtime. So I guess Gandalf can read minds. Frodo said Gandalf gently. Oh actually it was the end of a sentence. And it has not been hard for me to read your mind and memory. Do not worry. So I guess Frodo's sleeping and Gandalf's just like peeking into his memories. Invasion of privacy but I feel like that is an interesting power.

[00:17:51] Yeah. Is that similar to the last book that we read? Yeah. Occlimancy and the illegitimacy. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda. Gandalf. I have to admit through these chapters I didn't love Gandalf all that much. You think he's funny? Wait you guys never answered that question by the way. Oh who's our favorite in the Bill the Pony. Nice. He's the 10th member of the Fellowship. He's my favorite.

[00:18:21] They had he had a moment where a line at the end of the chapter where it was like everyone was leaving and they were super depressed and Bill left and there was no way that Bill was depressed. He was like the only one that looked happy about the journey. I was like that is the best. Oh awesome. I love that. Love that. I think I'd say Aragorn. Nice. Yeah. He just seemed great and I feel like in movie to book he went from great

[00:18:50] and he is still getting greater. So I like I feel like we're learning more about him and it I like that he was friends with Bilbo. For whatever reason I don't find Bilbo that pleasant. Like he's just a little yeah but I like that someone like Aragorn can be friends with so many different types of people and he can write a song with Bilbo you know like things like that I think are cool and he can take so many different like roles. So yeah Aragorn is growing

[00:19:19] in my mind so he was a favorite. Bilbo kind of seems like he likes himself too much. Yeah. Like he's a little arrogant like he went I think he was different in The Hobbit too because I remember reading The Hobbit and I remember liking him as a character and then now he seems like he's so proud of his journey that he was a Hobbit and he went on this journey but like he can't just help he can't help but just tell everyone about it and how cool he was and all the cool things that he did. But I kind of think of him as like a grandpa character where like you kind of just appreciate that about them

[00:19:49] where like you just expect to be told a story or like you expect that he's going to sing a song. It's kind of true. I don't know. I don't think he's annoying. It was funny though because in the Council of Elrond they kind of get annoyed with him. Hmm. We're not annoyed. But he has a place there. Yeah agreed for sure. And some of the lines that they said about one of my favorite moments in the entire chapter or the entire section of chapters that we had was they were deciding who was going to take the ring and all of a sudden Bilbo speaks up

[00:20:18] and Bilbo's like alright fine like you know I brought the ring here or I brought the ring like I got it so I should be the one that takes it away. And Boromir laughed but no one else laughed in the entire council and Boromir stopped laughing because he realized that everyone respects him and everyone realized that he could do it. I was like that's a cool moment. Yeah that is so cool. That is so fantastic. But he does seem like a little annoying to me. I liked when Elrond was like

[00:20:48] you can tell you're part of the journey but please be brief. if we don't have all of that he kind of messes up for us actually. He even had to entice him he was like and we'll get to feast when we're done so you know like food is waiting. Oh well yeah we'll get to it in the next chapter I guess. More Bilbo goodness. Yeah Bilbo's great. I do like that about Aragorn though how he like what you said Danny that he can be friends with anybody

[00:21:17] like he's not like oh I'm too like high and mighty to go write your little song with you. I don't know. It's cool it like feels humble. He's a man of the people. It's easy to get along with. Yeah. Toki knows how to do an introduction for a character. This is what he had for Arwen. So it was that Frodo saw her whom few mortals had yet seen Arwen daughter of Elrond in whom it was said that the likeness of Luthien

[00:21:46] had come on earth again and she was called Undomiel where she was the even star of her people. Like reading that I'm like oh my gosh like I'm levitating right now. Yeah. The intro and especially like the intro that he gave Aragorn before I'm like he knows how to do like a good introduction for a character in a way that you're like oh this person is really cool or this person has a lot of like seriousness to them or whatever it is. I think he's so good at that. And even in that like right before that he was talking about even Gandalf so seeing the same

[00:22:16] characters we already know but in a new way like even Gandalf seemed more regal and impressive. Which is an interesting another interesting part of this whole thing too is like do these characters I don't know how to I don't know how to ask this but like do these characters actually have more like aura around them when they're surrounded by these people? Like is his physical appearance changing

[00:22:45] or does he did Gandalf just like you know clean up for the council of Elrond? The same thing with like Bilbo Bilbo just seems like a regular guy and he still seems like a regular guy in the council but like he has so much respect and like he seems to be like radiating like cool energy or something like that I don't know right he's more magical than anything else I feel like this this place kind of brings that out of people yeah kind of elevates everybody extra aura all around it's very true it's like a good good little center there definitely is something

[00:23:15] about their demeanors changing though because when he when Gandalf reads the inscription in the ring his whole demeanor changes and then when Bilbo tries to like reach for the ring or however that happened in the book his whole demeanor changes and like it's like shadow so I think like Rivendell probably like I don't know brings your demeanor up yeah that's a good comparison you're right you're right and then maybe like the ring is just like takes you back down to nothing or like the Mordor

[00:23:45] language whatever that's yeah what's that called dark speech or like something yeah I feel like it's protective all around yeah yeah I like that's a good way to say it that's so it's a good question because there's this one section where Bilbo reaches out his hand to grab the ring says Bilbo put out his hand but Frodo quickly drew back the ring to his distress and amazement he found that he was no longer looking at Bilbo the shadow seemed to have fallen between them

[00:24:15] and through it he found himself eyeing a little wrinkled creature with a hungry face and bony groping hands he felt a desire to strike him which they did great in the movies too because we'll you're gonna see that yeah it's like a really creepy section but what does a ring again we've asked this before but what does a ring actually do like what did he see there that felt very golem like to me yeah that's a great point I couldn't tell if that was in his head

[00:24:44] like if Frodo just saw a different side of him maybe more metaphorically and it changed the way he viewed him for a moment like or if it actually changed him physically yeah it was hard to tell but the ring does have that effect I'm like what was that creature was that creature just what Bilbo would have became had he been in possession of the ring still a glimpse into like the future or is it

[00:25:14] like more um like symbolic in nature is it's like you know what a person is if they are in possession of the ring they're grotesque and they're ugly and you know they really aren't that all that great of a person is it more like the inner self because I don't really see Bilbo as having that kind of inner self I don't know yeah right right I hope it's not his inner self yeah

[00:25:44] but I feel like if he was embracing the worst side of himself that wants the ring selfishly then maybe it was just a display of like the worst side but most of him is a better side like what could happen yeah because he was in possession of it for a long time and that he never came close to that right so yeah maybe that's just like the worst end possible I don't know I took it just like symbolically of like ooh that was spooky

[00:26:13] like the ring is gonna take over and I didn't really think of it as like something attached to like his character that much yeah yeah maybe that's actually a good point too it's almost like the ring acting independently and like beckoning some weird creature to come forth or the ring knowing that it could weaken him to that state maybe it's like the ring's hunger instead of Bilbo yeah I wonder if anyone else was in the room would they have seen the same thing of Bilbo

[00:26:42] or was it like the ring giving Frodo like an extra power a little like look at something or accidentally the ring sees him that way so it's almost like the ring sees Bilbo that way and then let Frodo get a glimpse of the way the ring sees Bilbo I love that Frodo didn't say anything but Bilbo just looked at his face and then changed his mind kind of and then immediately was

[00:27:11] like apologizing put it away I'm so sorry like I feel like he very quickly sobered up from whatever that momentary feeling was so again speaks to a purity in Bilbo to resist which is pretty impressive yeah some of the other descriptions of some of these characters too were so funny like Bomber Bomber was so fat that he could not move himself from his couch to his chair at his table and it took six young dwarves to lift him

[00:27:42] and then the relationships in this chapter are really beautiful like some of the lines like this is one of my favorites well I looked at Frodo and smiled you were very fond of Bilbo were you not he asked yes answered Frodo I'd rather see him than all the towers and palaces in the world I feel like there's a weird like like it's fun in this book to see the depth of their relationship like how close they actually are and how much they respect each other and love each other it's like pretty beautiful

[00:28:12] yeah like you kind of want someone to say that about you I would rather see them I would rather see you than all the towers and palaces in the world such a good line they definitely have like a better relationship in the book than in the movies I think or like the book just goes into depth about it more yeah but hobbits seem very outwardly loving which I like like they're just very like open about like oh yeah I trust you I believe in you like I want to see you more than anybody else

[00:28:43] and they just say what they feel yeah exactly and then Gandalf and Aragorn Boromir they're all much more just I don't know keeping it inside or they don't care they don't love them they're not attached yeah I love when they're talking so long about like a million different things and just like yeah that deep bonding of their relationship is great yeah and then there was a moment where Aragorn he wasn't

[00:29:14] greetings and little feast that they had and he says Eladan and Elrohir have returned out of the wild unlooked for and they had tidings that I wish to hear at once and I was curious what you guys think is going on here because Striders he has like his own rangers that are coming out were they rangers I couldn't remember I didn't go back to check I thought they were Arwen's brothers because earlier it said Arwen's brothers were up like running with

[00:29:44] rangers or something so either way I loved it because it was like wow Aragorn's just managing a million things he's like yeah I'm gonna write a song and then I'm gonna go check in with these dudes they are Arwen's twin brothers twin brothers so legit but what's the information that he's going to get yeah right what's going on but it sounds like they're fighting a bunch of orcs and stuff yeah what are

[00:30:13] orcs well up north he said right they came back from the north so then there are all these orcs up north which feels kind of strange yeah I like it when they're all just in Mordor that feels like what are they doing everywhere

[00:30:54] that's another but they're not aligned but Gandalf says not yet like they will be so it again is complicated it's not as simple as I think it felt to me watching the movies maybe just when I was younger but it was like so bless you many blessings um so it just felt more like complicated not so simple black and white good and evil like there are multiple layers to the good and the evil here

[00:31:24] yeah absolutely Sauron to me seemed like he was a lot less controlled by Sauron than in the movie because I thought that too I was like wait he has an army but they're not they're not the Mordor army yet but in the movie I don't know yeah maybe I picked up on it wrong but he seemed like he was always controlled by Sauron and like that's why he fought Gandalf and that's why he put Gandalf up there because he was like no like come with me I'm making the right decision

[00:31:53] we can be powerful and then he decided to I don't know like imprison Gandalf yeah but yeah he's like his own little army right now yeah I feel like I always viewed them as kind of the same yeah and I like that when he said to Gandalf like we could take the ring and we could use it and Gandalf calls him right out and he's kind of like for one there is no we it's one ring and it couldn't be shared anyway

[00:32:23] and then also I'm not going to do it you're crazy you know whatever but yeah he's right through it what else did you guys have in this chapter anything else no that was that was it the one good line almost at the end goodnight Frodo bless me but it has been good to see you again there are no folk like hobbits after all for a real good talk and getting very old I begin to wonder if I

[00:32:53] should live to see your chapters of our story so good it's like such good writing and I'm like with Lizzie the outpouring of the hobbits love for each other is pretty endearing it's pretty beautiful it's great especially like in the end the next chapter with Sam and the chapter after that with Mary and Pippin love them but the council of Elrond this is just they all meet together and they have a feast me too

[00:33:23] tell me why that's because you didn't finish the last chapter Danny well I read it in like two halves so maybe that helped that it wasn't all just like one big sitting of the council of Elrond but I really enjoy the information dump and I maybe because I haven't watched the hobbit and I don't know any lore but like I enjoyed hearing everybody else's story and I was like very into what everyone is bringing I was like oh this

[00:33:53] person from that land this is going on in the south and then like I have no idea what else is happening apart from in Rivendell so like I was really into like hearing everybody's story didn't know Gloin existed that was cool to me like even Smeagol like climbing the trees I was like yeah because he like he didn't even like the sunshine before and now he's like climbing a tree and then how does he figure out how to get the orcs to come save him like is he like signaling people from the top

[00:34:23] of the tree I don't know but I don't know I feel like I just learned so much and like I didn't know any lore at all so I was actually very interested in the lore and then somebody was a lore master I don't know if that was Gandalf or somebody else and I was like oh I want to be a lore master like give me the scrolls can I have a job like that yeah that's right that's right because he was talking about the scrolls and like he was researching it and the lore masters couldn't even figure out the information that he found because it's in like languages that are dead or something

[00:34:53] yeah yeah I thought it was interesting so interesting and I loved how organized it was it was like Elrond just commands the room he's like I'll start now you go now you go yeah it literally felt like I was at the table like okay next okay next thank you next thank you Bilbo hang on why did you like it any same reasons yeah yeah the info dump and they were

[00:35:22] all little short stories what's going on up there yeah what are dwarves like all right cool even Legolas given a little background on Smeagol escaping or Gollum escaping from their kindness and changes the way we're viewing those elves the Mirkwood elves I guess because I feel like in the Hobbit I don't remember that much but I didn't love them they were like a little bit the bad guys or whatever but now it feels like their kindness in prisoners was kind of their downfall

[00:35:52] here but yeah it was great great chapters so even on that point with Gollum so that was another interesting point that I thought that the elves do seem very different in the movies versus the books although there's like some similarities but there's a line about Gollum that they had because they were kind of like keeping watch over Gollum and so they said he could work much mischief still if he were free and I do not doubt that he was allowed to leave Mordor on some evil errand

[00:36:22] was the evil errand just to track them and follow them was there something else I don't know my thought was whatever the evil errand was probably just trusting that eventually he would work to get the ring and bring it back yeah so it would be on that alone just I can't imagine it being any more than that because what would it be I know I was thinking about that too because it's weird that they would even trust him

[00:36:54] like if you see this creature and he's so like driven to get the ring you know that he's gonna just if he goes and gets Frodo he's just gonna take the ring for himself right yeah so it's weird that they're even like giving him this level of trust so I'm like what is the evil errand something else and his personality is not one that he can like gather people around him yeah right he's not out there making so many friends but I think they evil called him to Mordor when he was almost at the Shire

[00:37:23] during like the hunt for Gollum right yeah so I feel like that would be Sauron knowing cool if he ever got the ring I could call him back I have that power over him so it felt like he was almost being sent out like another ring wraith you know just hunt do your thing be a little spy out there find the ring if you can and knowing he'd call him back he wasn't gonna hurt evil's purpose yeah it's funny too because

[00:37:53] Gloin has the line where they're like treating Gollum with all like kindness and then Gloin who was with those elves he's like you didn't treat us that nicely you were jerks to us the entire time it was so funny and then Gandalf has this one line about Gollum too which I thought was interesting or Legolas is talking about it but he talks about Gandalf giving him this advice it's not through lack of watchfulness said Legolas but perhaps through over kindliness and we fear that the prisoner

[00:38:23] had aid from others and that he is more known of our doings than we could wish we guarded this creature day and night at Gandalf's bidding much though we wearied of the task but Gandalf bait us hope still for his cure and he had not the heart to keep him ever in the dungeons under earth where he would fall back into his old black thoughts do you actually think Gandalf believes that he could be made well no but he has said that twice now yeah

[00:38:53] but then I think Gandalf showed his cards a little bit because didn't he then make a comment of something like you know Gollum's role to play in this story is not done yeah so it almost feels like if we're assuming that Gandalf knows something more about Gollum's role to play he also would have known that that is not from being trapped in Mirkwood forever yeah so it almost feels like he was

[00:39:22] letting the elves know hey there's hope for him like don't just leave him locked in the dungeon don't just kill him now like almost wanting him to escape that sounds too like presumptuous but almost because why or did he really have hope did he think Gollum can come back hey elves treat him really well if you treat him well enough he might turn into like a normal person again yeah it's such an interesting idea even for like what Tolkien's view on the world was yeah

[00:39:52] like if he actually thought all people were capable of change and rehabilitation I think it's a great line it's a lot like idea and theory like anybody is actually capable of changing and you know becoming a different person or like you know a rehabilitation but I don't know if Gandalf actually believes this or not it was interesting like it almost made me feel like Gandalf has some other ulterior motive for him like he wants them to keep Gollum in their good graces for something else that Gandalf is like going for I don't know maybe that's just my lack of

[00:40:22] trust in characters but because Gandalf is great like everything that he's done so far has been pretty great but I don't I'm skeptical I kind of thought of it like he didn't want to misplace the blame like he knows it's not really Gollum's fault for becoming that way and like it's not like he says later don't be too haste to dish out judgment or whatever something like that and I always think like he doesn't want to be the one to punish something that isn't his responsibility

[00:40:52] responsibility and even like Gollum's transformation is barely even Gollum's responsibility because it's like he didn't know what he was stepping into when he picked up the ring and then yeah so like who's what are you supposed to do like whose fault is that it's nobody's fault it just is Jen why did you think the chapter wasn't great because we were kind of on the same page I didn't hear the listeners so we kind of thought the same but I'm curious I feel like isn't this the one that repeated itself a lot

[00:41:22] and like because we already knew yeah I maybe it's just that I wasn't paying attention but it was something that was boring that made me not pay attention so I just felt like and were there a lot of songs in this part too there was like one like very long song I felt like yeah that's sort at the end of that oh yeah that could have been not during that I think it was during the dinner but yeah oh yeah

[00:41:53] so like all the things you're talking about I don't remember oh and Gandalf plagiarized Bilbo's poem because Bilbo wrote that all those who wander how crazy is that I was like wait that was Bilbo's earth I thought this was some ancient prophecy I know seriously it's like kind of not great it's like a little short and concise and then Gandalf was like oh this is perfect yeah that is so funny it's

[00:42:22] did he think that maybe Bilbo would have told that poem to Frodo at some point because then it would have been a nice little hint I have to read that letter again because that was the letter that he wrote to Frodo in Bree but he didn't even know that Aragorn would be involved so it was almost like he was passing off this little code which is cool but yeah just so funny I want it to mean more than that yeah like if they reconnected

[00:42:52] earlier of that line yeah I believe it is or wait did we look this up before I feel like we did but now I don't remember not all who wander are lost somebody was like Shakespeare I thought yeah this is a previous the gold that glitters I think that might have been oh yeah yep all that glitters is not gold oh good memory or all gold doesn't glitter you know

[00:43:23] not all who wander are lost is just straight from Tolkien yes oh yeah it's no something was Shakespeare yeah I think that was the gold one yeah that's written on a lot of jeep tires just saying really oh all the glitters is gold no all who wander are not lost it's a big jeep yep it's on the back of the tires cover yes I definitely heard that a ton of

[00:43:53] times but I had no idea it was in the Lord of the I know but now that's kind of cool but now I'm almost annoyed at the phrase I'm like honor the original thing what a little Lord of the Rings similar jeep car Rifflaff loves to me but now it's so cool you guys actually know what that's from yeah you guys know the rest of the poem the origin you want the rest of the poem yeah nice you're gonna do that anytime you drive up to a jeep roll down your window yeah do you know the original part of that poem

[00:44:22] you're like in traffic the blade that was broken what are you talking about I'm just trying to get to school man oh I also on the same page as some of this they were talking about what happened to Isildur when he died and that only three men ever made it back over the mountain and one of them is Otar the esquire of Isildur

[00:44:52] who bore the shards of the sword of Elendil and I just thought that's another good movie right there yeah you know like that following Isildur from the point of battle all the way through and then you know you get to like this squire and then carries the shards back what a hero good old Otar yeah it is it's this writing is really interesting to me because it is totally different from anything in Harry Potter which we're more used to I think at the moment but this writing is fun because like this

[00:45:22] chapter I think this is definitely meant to be more read than listened to because this chapter for me was not like crazy boring but it was just like okay when are they going to get to more action they're just sitting around talking about like you know the things that are going on in their realm but I don't even understand that yeah yeah exactly I think if we I don't know names either so then it's really like okay I think reading this though it's a lot more interesting because it is like a bunch of little tales that happen and it does help you picture in your mind where these things are

[00:45:52] and like what's going on in the entire realm because I think it gives you I think one thing this chapter does really well is it gives you like a forecast of what's happening in Middle Earth and like the good and the bad there's great things happening but also like it seems like there's an impending doom coming and I picked that up a little bit when I was listening but when I'm listening I'm more like okay come on like let's get let's get this moving so we can get to like you know the fellowship where they can like finally leave and start their journey like I was very much looking forward to them starting their journey and I like this part because I loved

[00:46:21] even like when Sam gets up at the end and like there are lines directly in the movies and the books like when he's like oh when he's summoned to a secret council and you are not and Elrond was like very happy and he was pleased about that like he was laughing like it was a joke and like there were so many good moments in this chapter but for me I was like okay come on let's get to the action which is why I think reading it is probably better for this old chunk I feel like I'd get lost in a sentence and just be like

[00:46:51] daydreaming about the one thing but if you're reading or if it's audiobook you can't and yeah you can well another little thing that I was like thinking a bunch about was the dwarves when they were giving their scoop they were talking about the messenger from Mordor that was coming to them and saying what's this info someone in the shire has a ring you know let us know more about this and we can kind of join forces and then

[00:47:21] the messenger they said no the messenger then comes back another time they turn them down again and the messenger has not even come a third time it says third is going to be the last so it also made the evil feel more organized and like systematic than it feels in the movie I'm like they're sending out messengers to just like talk to people like it just felt like different so again changing and deepening

[00:47:51] the way that I view the story which I thought was really cool because in the movies the orcs just seem kind of mindless but I guess they have some kind of leadership and hierarchy structure and they're sending messengers and they're doing all sorts of cool things so you're getting peeked at it yeah one of my favorite moment in this is now I should have to alter that it does not look like coming true and anyway there will

[00:48:20] evidently there will evidently have to be several more chapters if I live to write them it's a frightful nuisance when ought I to start this is Bilbo speaking Boromir looked in surprise at Bilbo but the laughter died on his lips when he saw that all others regarded the old hobbit with grave respect only glowing smiled his smile coming from old memories I love that so much because they all respect this yeah hobbit so much they're like you know heaps a little respect on Bilbo's name there

[00:48:52] but the my biggest byline of this is I just love the hobbits like I think they're probably my favorite part of the fellowship right now I love the other people they're great honestly the fleshing out of all these characters is really interesting to me like Aragorn is such a great interesting character in the books Boromir is really fascinating in the books to me like I love him I think he's great so far in the books he's the one who's the man yeah from Gondor the blonde yeah yeah yeah he could be

[00:49:21] blonde he's like medium lined hair maybe okay Sean Bean Sean Bean so great I don't know actor's names he must have been in something else we watched together but maybe not he's the one that you know he is chatty too he traveled 110 days or something to get to the council yeah also he talks about his father all the time how yeah yeah but did so did Elrond summon

[00:49:52] this council or did this just happen to be this way because I think it was it just happened yeah and then like at the same time that Frodo arrived are they just like hang on we actually have this guy he's gonna wake up in a few days we think it might like what are the chances how did that happen I feel like everything is going so bad there was an Elrond line of that that I thought was so weird

[00:50:22] strangers from a distant land you have come and are here met just in the nick of time by chance as it may seem but it is not so believe rather that it is ordered that we must find council so I feel like that was part of it and then later I think he used the word ordained like I feel like he was just kind of saying there are bigger forces that must have

[00:50:52] brought us here like Boromir for example because that felt like total luck yeah yeah dream right and his brother was supposed to come I think or did his brother I forgot what that was did his brother have the dream or did he have the dream was it maybe both like his brother was having the dream a few times but then Boromir had it once stronger for the journey so he went oh yeah but I don't remember but his brother was getting ready to go on the journey so it's weird like again it's like fate is this fate or this is the ring

[00:51:21] calling them all in or something like that I don't know why would the ring call all the good people because maybe the ring knows that they're all I don't know they're all weak or something like that they're not they all well not all of them but I don't know I don't see the ring doing that though but I don't know like it's not just like Gandalf is like oh I'm the most powerful it's like the counter ring it's like the yeah like to battle yeah like whatever is evil good's gonna come

[00:51:51] yeah it's like Star Wars there's like balance in the force there's balance in Middle Earth in some way can't wait to finish Star Wars yeah we're watching Star Wars for the first time so she's on the last we stopped halfway through the last or not the last movie it's the third one right episode episode three but we watched an hour and then stopped it whoa right before it gets really tired I mean this is Anakin Scott

[00:52:21] don't I just want to know I don't remember you watch it every year do you know we're gonna watch it with you Jen no those were good I saw them in theaters yep that would have been so good oh yeah it was really good anyway sorry just a little little note the sword of Elendil has a lot of power people are pretty psyched about it etc well we don't really know about power but at least means something

[00:52:50] and then in that battle at the Black Gate the one that Elrond's talking about nerding out no I'm laughing at something else after there is a spear of Gil-galad and the sword of Elendil were both brought together like what's this spear now I want to hear all about this I know me too he just keeps hinting at these little things and I'm like oh they're so cool they said there were two swords and a spear right I think this that sounds right yeah the sword of Elendil the shards of Narsil and the spear of Gilgal

[00:53:20] or whatever wait what happened to Elendil isn't that Gannas well so it says the spear of Gil-galad and the sword of Elendil Iglos and Narsil none could withstand so Narsil's Aragorn's there are many things here oh wait wait hold on is this the sword of Elendil is are the shards of Narsil Narsil I know it has a prior name

[00:53:49] and a future name wait I thought Sildur had the sword though yeah he did and then when it broke it's called Narsil now so the sword finger off yeah the way that I read it was bad it's the spear of Gil-galad and Gil-galad is a man or a guy and the sword of Elendil then it says Iglos and Narsil so meaning like

[00:54:19] the name of the spear is Iglos or Eglos and Narsil so it's just giving names to the people I forgot that Elendil is the guy the father yeah okay uh no this is what the heck if you guys are confused I'm Jen's like I zoned out years ago wait cause Anduril is the name of Narsil before it it's Anduril is the name given to Narsil after the oh no no

[00:54:49] after the shards of Narsil are reforced cause this is when it was Narsil this is before yeah cause I misspoke when I said Elendil is Elendil a person Elendil is the guy because Elendil is Isildur's dad that's right that's right oh my gosh is that an elf I know he's a man but Gil-Glad might be could be an elf I just this is too much you want me to like this

[00:55:18] well it's like I was laughing at this note here cause I was just nerding out about like the architecture of Gondor I'm like wow in the west and on the east and the stars in the middle and do they have other plans in the north and the south to make a compass and anyways wow this is right up your alley yeah there's lots of juicy stuff I was laughing cause while you're talking about that I totally zoned out and was laughing at the sword at our wedding because it was like a foreshadowing I know

[00:55:47] that was so true cause it was air corn sword yeah the sword of Lendil yeah oh is it that sword it is that sword that's why that sword Narsiel was reforged and we cut a cake with it yeah yeah yeah that's pretty epic I don't know if it all Gilgalal was the high king of elves in middle earth oh that's awesome that's why I was laughing because I'm just thinking theoretically in the future in this book if we ever interact with other elves we could see

[00:56:17] that spear again I hope so that would be awesome it's a cool weapon yeah cause we haven't I haven't seen it okay this is like a nerdy about weapons we haven't seen a spear like I love a bow and arrow but like a spear is sick wait what's the difference a bow and arrow you throw it yeah give me something like yeah like a tall weapon like that I love that but it's the same as an arrow and a bow and arrow no no no a spear is bigger it's like thicker it's like something you'd it's like a staff with a sharp point wow this is like really

[00:56:46] no this is so you were thinking a spear is like an arrow but it's just like I was like Legolas he's just got a bunch of spears he shoots out of his arrow wait I don't even actually do they actually since I didn't listen or pay attention are they listing like what tools or sorry weapons they have with them not listing no they said don't pack for war

[00:57:15] pack for stealth so like Aragorn just has his sword on him Bilbo gave Frodo a sword sting sting which okay so they're packing for stealth which is I was because Nemo was refreshing me on this when we were listening is why they cannot take the eagles because it's blaring that they're coming when they have to go in with stealth it's one of the biggest problems you'll find too one of the biggest problems about Lord of the Rings that movie watchers

[00:57:45] have is why they just fly the eagles all the way into Mordor and then just drop it and drop the rings and they couldn't do that because it's not stealth because they would see them coming from miles away and they'd be able to stop them yeah probably also the eagles have these little dragon demons eagles seem a little temperamental like well even the eagle who was flying Gandalf around was kind of like yeah I'm here for tidings not like doing a whole lot like I felt like Gandalf had to kind of like

[00:58:16] hey but I need to get there somehow all right how about at least get me to a horse place so it still felt like the eagles aren't just like yeah what do you need they still take a little convincing and they're massive what my brother told me he was like they don't want to get involved with like the people on Middle earth so I don't blame them yeah and then I have to find this video and send it to you guys but there was a video of Tolkien I don't even know if this is real or not but he was like answering a question of like why didn't they just why didn't the eagles just drop him in the

[00:58:46] in Mordor and then he's just like blah blah blah for like two minutes and then at the end he just goes shut up that was it so it was so funny I have to go find it he must have been so funny he just seems like sassy and like clever and also I thought Shadowfax was gonna be with Gandalf like from the beginning yeah he just kind of stumbled upon wait did he just like he just found the best horse in Rohan I was like Shadowfax was like a captive horse

[00:59:15] in Rohan but also had never some stupid rabbit hole she's like there's a ring and it's on a journey honestly I feel like I need to watch all of the movies and then I can jump in with you honestly that's not a bad idea because I literally am so lost and you're able to like chime in and you watch the movies and you're

[00:59:45] at the same part yeah you can watch them honestly maybe we end up doing that we'll have to debate because I literally am like okay cool you've seen enough of the movies that like anything is going to be spoiled already I know how everything ends so then it's like not seeing the movies makes it harder to connect with things maybe and then we're getting all the bonus stuff that's exciting yeah but you guys are all familiar I'm lost there was like one reference to the desolation

[01:00:15] of smog and I don't like I just know that's a title of one of the hobbits I don't know like anything about that either so like that to me is like I don't that maybe that's like how like what you feel like because I can't I don't understand anything and it's just like these little references like oh I didn't get that that means anything but in my head I'm like there's a whole movie about it I think I don't know well maybe I guess we'll see that even happened to me where I'm like I do remember a lot but I don't

[01:00:45] remember all of it so I was like wait is this a hobbit thing now imagine me exactly that's what I'm saying yeah that's what I'm saying but anyway Rohan didn't want him to take that horse and he took it anyway yeah respect is that a person or a place oh Rohan's a place got it also and they're all about horses and stuff but again that was just like a few sentences in here so if you're listening if you zoned out for like

[01:01:15] you're at a red light or some car cuts you off and you're like wait whoa whoa and then you're back to it you could totally have missed it I do remember I like horses so I remember this part but I don't remember anything else like I just remember that he got one yeah the best horse or whatever what you guys were saying yeah he's the goat he's the goat of all horses no Gandalf doesn't think so he was like there's still hope but they're dealing with Mordor they like traded with them or something and sent some horses over did something

[01:01:44] it was enough where he's like they're not falling but it won't be long something going on there so wait Denethor's not in Rohan right no he's the steward of Gondor and Gondor isn't falling either no they're they're holding strong in arrogance but yeah they're the strong kingdom right now not you know they're not looking great but they're okay so did Aragorn know this dream that Boromir had it was like Boromir explained the dream and kind of quoted

[01:02:14] it and then Aragorn later he was like what did he say the words were not the doom of Minas Terith said Aragorn but doom and it almost felt like there was a prophecy or something that he was referencing and then so it was just a little bit funny because then I was like it felt like Aragorn knew more about this dream than he did because he's like it was doom and great deeds

[01:02:44] are indeed at hand and then he kind of goes into the sword thing and I don't know it's just weird like that dream is so specific yeah and even mentioning a halfling yeah seriously it just made me wonder if this was something that was they read about in Gondor school at some point and they long forgot about it and then they start having this dream and it was some prophecy or something I don't

[01:03:14] know I wrote it down somewhere but I can't find it oh okay in that dream I thought the eastern sky grew dark and there was a growing thunder but in the west the pale light lingered and out of it I heard a voice remote but clear crying seek for the sword that was broken in Imlagerus it dwells there shall be councils taken

[01:03:43] stronger than Morgul spells there shall be shown a and the halfling forth shall stand like it is oddly specific there's like a lot of weird stuff in that dream and I'm like okay that is really specific yeah I don't know yeah I don't know if these are like prophecies or if these are like other things that are happening to these people I don't know

[01:04:13] yeah it doesn't like the one thing that I kind of like about this is that it's so um like up for interpretation it's like you're not getting I don't know how to say it like in star wars there's a prophecy and like all jedi know this prophecy and they revolve around this prophecy like they're waiting for the one that's going to bring balance to the force they're all waiting for that here it's like the one person has a dream it seemed like something like

[01:04:43] like an early prophecy I guess like there's not like lore around this prophecy like these people just started having these dreams about this and they're like okay like how do we piece this together and how do we understand this and the council of ralron is kind of how they understand it but it feels like young for this and I like that there's not like the driving pivotal point of this isn't like the prophecy that needs to get fulfilled in order that Frodo goes to their this because he's the halfling you know it's not about this prophecy it's about them making the decision but they're I like the idea that they're getting dreams and they're getting some kind of prophecies

[01:05:12] about this before yeah but they're just not like crazy established yet I think that's a really cool writing implement it's like nothing I haven't read something like that before I think it's it's cool and I like that it it was coming often to his brother and then once to him yeah like it was spreading almost until action was taken maybe and also 110 day journey yeah which is insane that is no joke Boromir was going for it that is like to go where to get from where Boromir lives down in the south

[01:05:42] it's like hiking the whole Appalachian trail up to where they ooh nice good comparison wow that makes it sound even crazier from where Boromir is way in the south up to where they are not like this map means a lot to you but right there that's Osgiliath and there's Minas Tirith and he goes way up and I assume he went through Rohan and then around there and up even farther

[01:06:12] I'm looking up on Amazon Maps of Middle Earth right now up here this makes like what you read about so far or not what you read but what you said about the prophecy almost like they're just they're just doing their journey and then it's like the visions or the dreams kind of come after the fact and then you kind of have to figure out how all the pieces go together it makes me think about this like Gandalf says this despair or folly says Gandalf it is not despair for despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt we do not

[01:06:41] it is wisdom to recognize necessity when all other courses have been weighed though as folly it may appear to those who cling to false hope well let folly be our cloak availed before the eyes of the enemy for he is very wise and weighs all things to a nicety in the scales of his malice and yeah but he the only measure that he knows is desire and desire for power and so he judges all hearts and I feel like Gandalf's big theme which is why I love Gandalf so much by the end of this is like he's so

[01:07:11] hope focused and like he's I don't think in this chapter but also in the Ringo South chapter like he's like oh I was despairing and then I got this news and then I was hopeful and then I didn't want to lose hope and like that was the thread that was just keeping him going the whole time and yeah so like Gandalf's willing to do it and he said that before it's like well we might all like we can't just hide the ring like we have to destroy the ring because

[01:07:40] it just goes on for eternity it's like he's still taking it as his responsibility during his lifetime to get rid of the ring rather than just leave it for somebody else so I don't know I love Gandalf he does seem like an optimist yeah because it was like friendship was the theme in the other chapters yeah this I was getting a lot of hope as the theme I like it to me my favorite in this which is how we'll go to the next says but you won't send him off alone surely master cried Sam

[01:08:10] unable to contain himself any longer and jumping out from the corner where he had been sitting quietly on the floor no indeed said Elrond turning toward him with a smile you at least shall go with him it is hardly possible to separate you from him even when he is summoned to a secret council and you are not I love Sam so much it's so great you have anything else in this chapter Daniel before we talk about the last one but of course I'm not going to go too crazy that whole thing was different than the movies of how they just like

[01:08:40] Gimli didn't smack the ring and then they got appointed and they stayed for days they didn't just up and leave which I felt like they stayed for days in the movies too oh really yeah I kind of got that vibe in the movies but they okay there was like a point because Frodo's like which way do I go I thought they literally just grabbed the ring and started walking Frodo even says that because I think he says like I don't know the way or something like that yeah

[01:09:10] oh yeah he says Elrond raised his eyes and looked at him and Frodo felt his heart pierced by a sudden keenness of the glance if I understand all right that I have all that I have heard he said I think that this task is appointed for you Frodo and if you do not find a way no one will I thought that was really cool for the hobbits as well it's like a cool little line but the yeah I weirdly kind of vibed I forgot

[01:09:40] where it was in this but they were like talking about destroying it there was like some debate that kind of brought up that they should just destroy it now maybe I was wrong about that I do remember that was a thing I just forget what they exactly said all right chapter 15 the ring goes south uh one last thing real quick oh yeah of course just that they call him Saruman ringmaker um oh yeah and it mentioned wait Saruman ringmaker Saruman

[01:10:09] Saruman ringmaker like when they went to Saruman of many colors and it even mentioned that he was wearing a big ring on his finger when Gandalf approached him so it just made me wonder again about more ring stuff like do these rings have any power it's just a past time of his and he's just he's a ringmaker yeah it's cool the wizard that was bad yeah bad wizard I need to break it down because now there's similar names I know that makes

[01:10:39] it even worse yeah that has been annoying why couldn't he come up with clearly different names Saruman there was somebody like Thorin and yeah exactly the same I was like okay just are you kidding me it's ridiculous yep oin gloin ori nori because we never did an intro I just realized hello welcome to the podcast I'm John Chan

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[01:12:44] that was a long intro yeah that was the whole intro we're gonna go for another three hours you ready Jen I will be sleeping well the ring goes south is where Jen got more interested in this because this seems like where they start the journey and we're a little we're all kind of paced all over the place but I like this chapter as well because it felt like they imagine doing chapter four it did feel like they were actually

[01:13:14] on this journey and they feel like they were actually headed somewhere which is something that I I was like excited for I don't know maybe it's just the difference between listening and reading but I was excited for this chapter this chapter got me back into it did you read this chapter you've been listening yeah I think it's just better because it's like any action parts of a book I feel like I enjoy listening to it but then when they're sitting down and chit chatting I'm like get over like on to the next thing also big difference

[01:13:43] between the chapters is like there's a driving plot in the ring goes south which maybe that's just more my speed yeah yeah exactly just like that I don't care about lore as much they're not sitting around the table chatting what else did you like about the chapter hello nice yeah let loose I need a summary of the chapter first so they're going south they're trying to find a way he doesn't even have it yeah I was gonna say I'm just a summary guy they're trying to

[01:14:13] find a way through a way through the mountains to get to a pass in it they end up taking the pass of Caragoras which is through the snow and so they're like on their way up through the snow and they get like halfway and they're like there's a massive storm that comes yeah there's a point where they are at one point they're like we need to figure out how to start a fire and no one can start a fire they've like tried to start a fire Gimli couldn't even start a fire which is crazy because dwarves can always start a fire and

[01:14:42] so Gandalf like takes up some wood and he like says an enchantment and starts it and he's like I don't even care if we get caught he's like we need to get warm yeah I remember this and then they got the fire then they went back down the mountain the next day because it was just too insane it was too crazy and they're like right on the precipice of wherever they're gonna cross next they keep talking about Gimli keeps talking about let's go under it but like they don't want to do that Aragorn is so hesitant about that the entire chapter

[01:15:11] because he doesn't want to go yeah but is that the that's the one that they go in the movie like in chapters oh my god I need some context you're right that is that's exactly what happens so I know something bad happens there I don't remember anyway why is this like you're so annoying I'm trying to like focus so I can actually keep going on my brain no I didn't even read it so yeah just wait so where does the

[01:15:41] chapter end the one that stuck out the most is when they're on the snowstorm and air like it was like Gimli's going first and then they all they all grab hobbits on their backs and they're like the Gimli is leading through the snow and they can't even see him it's like it was a great image yeah that's awesome and then yeah I think he was so shocked by Gimli's strength yeah because Gimli just kept trudging through like he couldn't see anything but he just kept trudging through the

[01:16:11] snow it was so great and then Aragorn no then Legolas is like I this is where I was like what the heck he's like floating on top of the snow and he's like I'll be back and he just like he's so light-footed he doesn't sink in the snow it's great and that's in the movie it's so great yeah but I barely remember the movie and that is so small it really is yeah and then Boromir and Aragorn are carrying hobbits I think he's just going to check out like the surrounding area to make sure it's like yeah that's kind of the vibe by that I

[01:16:39] got he did okay he did that in the movies too wait this whole scene was in the movies yeah I just feel like a lot of times there's a random shot of Legolas like looking out like yeah yeah like staring past you so I feel like he's always kind of scouting for what he was in the back anything there's a line in the movies that Eric goes Legolas what are your elf eyes see yeah and he like looks out like 20 miles and he's like the ring turns south or whatever

[01:17:10] pretty powerful yeah he said something else though didn't he I don't know no whatever it was a good little it was a good little like action chapter though it was like more of a but trying to recall details this was more like the hobbit kind of style where they're actually on the journey now like every chapter has something new and something exciting that's happening to it this is what it felt like to me like the hobbit did have like you know chapters that talk about information dumps but the

[01:17:40] council of Elrond seemed like a very unique chapter to me and that was like just a massive dump of information and lore of like old characters new characters you're like getting a ton of different information about people this one was like okay you have the core group and now they're on the journey and like this is this is this real it almost feel like this is the real start of the book but everyone also had a choice if they wanted to stay or go and that was the beginning of this right I loved that part and then mary and pipit pip yeah wow

[01:18:12] um who's the elf that's been charged yeah yeah he said no to them right yeah and they were like no we're going and then Gandalf is the one I was like what the they can choose what they want to do yeah right because he was going to be back as messengers to the hot to uh the shire yeah that'd be like watching over the shire and they're like we're gonna we will chase them down we will not go to the shire we will follow yeah I forget what they said we are not going anywhere else but then it's but then I was like did he

[01:18:42] did they actually know what they're getting involved in and that was the conversation they were having Gandalf and Elrond I don't know anyways they they seem much more intelligent in the books yeah but there's also the point where like Gandalf still uh teases them a lot like the line uh we hobbits ought to stick together and we will I shall go unless they chain me up there must be someone with intelligence in the party then you

[01:19:11] certainly will not be chosen Peregrine took like Gandalf's is still kind of like messing with him and playing with them teasing him it's a great one he is like that in the movie yeah yeah he is like that yeah I never realized it was the nine to combat the nine that did not ever click that never clicked for me either I like it yeah that's so balanced yeah that's in the movies you wouldn't really pick up on that because they were all it was all voluntary you're like oh it's just a random group of nine

[01:19:41] people they pointed the nine to but then he's also like you can leave whenever you want yeah like he was emphasizing that so much though that I was like yeah it was like his little disclaimer before they left yeah because they don't know what they're getting or have like a bench ready like tap in some people you know well okay so that was an interesting one too I want to try to find this line because if you lose one have another one ready to go on him alone charge

[01:20:11] laid anybody like somebody on the bench waiting in case it has to have nine against nine no I'm just saying he's so like casual well he's not casual but the door is open to leave whenever you want to leave you know like nobody knows what's gonna happen you may not carry or come back or turn aside onto any other paths as chance allows it's like so weird like he's commissioning this whole thing and then he's like but you could bail if you feel like it

[01:20:43] yep oh I gotta find this line because again because oh Gimli after that whole exchange I like Gimli has this line on I'm actually fine the whole thing in the book he goes the ring bearer setting out on the quest on mountain doom on him alone is any charge laid neither to cast away the ring nor to deliver it to any servant of the enemy nor indeed to let any handle it save members of the

[01:21:13] company and the council and only then in gravest need the others go with him as free companions to help him on his way you may tear your comeback or turn aside into other paths as chance allows the further you go the less easy will be to withdraw yet no oath or bond is laid on you to go further than you will for you cannot or for you do not yet know the strength of your hearts and you cannot foresee what each may may meet upon the road and again our Gimli has a line after that faithless is he that says farewell when

[01:21:42] the road darkens I was like that is a group I highlighted that Gimli is coming up with some like bars right now oh my gosh that was so good but then doesn't he have another comeback right after that there's a maybe said Elrond but let him not vow to walk in the dark who has not seen the nightfall like you're right on it this is like a little rap battle right now this is so good yet sword war yet sworn word may

[01:22:12] strengthen quaking heart or break it said Elrond look not too far ahead but go now with good hearts and then he just wraps it up he's like all right done enough with the rap battle farewell and may the blessing the elves and men and all free folk go with you may the stars shine upon your faces it's so it's yeah it's a good little battle that they have there and Elrond had also said that the weak have as much of a chance as the

[01:22:41] strong like they had just didn't know what to expect and how the ring was going to take them so I thought that was cool too that they're just like you gotta just do it everybody's got the same chance yeah like I don't know yeah yep but we'll uh we'll go over this chapter smidge before uh the next one too just when dan finishes reading yeah you can take better notes in the second half of this chapter yeah yeah

[01:23:13] um because yeah there's there's like not a ton of uh this one I was just like excited about I just liked going on the journey with them there um there's a the line that I was talking about before with uh the pony it says so bill was going to be bill was going as a beast of burdens burden yet he was the only member of the company that did not seem depressed I thought that was I don't know why I love that line so much but I'm like he's just like

[01:23:43] it's only up from here but it also goes to show the entire company is kind of depressed on their way to go which is I think it points to two things that I think are really interesting the first is that they're all very human well they're you know they're all different races but they're like in the metaphorical way they're all like a little sad and a little bummed to be on this journey because this journey is going to be hard but there's another point that I thought was interesting that could this potentially just be

[01:24:12] the ring having a really negative reaction on them that the ring is actually almost overpowering middle or not middle earth uh Rivendell right now because like is the ring starting to pervert all of their minds in this and then I'm curious as we go on is the ring going to be the thing that really breaks them apart like I'm so curious to see how the mind of the ring versus everyone in the fellowship and if if I'm gonna like read through some of these sections and be like

[01:24:41] the ring is actually the one that's doing this rather than like the fellowship because it seems very maybe there's gonna be moments where it's completely out of character for them I'm like is it gonna be the ring that's making this decision or is it gonna be the actual fellowship I'm really really curious to see yeah how the ring interplays with everyone here I don't know I just like that I got all that from Bill being the least all right well I don't know I don't have anything else unless you guys do

[01:25:11] nope nope all right give me we talked about our favorite character what was your favorite moment in these chapters so we handed out the basket of mushrooms yeah actually let's do it real quick hand out your basket of mushrooms I'm giving it to build a pony was that favorite character yeah favorite character is the basket of mushrooms Jan you Eric weren't over there yeah

[01:25:42] Elrond I think oh because when you first asked I think it was more like fellowship mindset yeah but now I'm thinking he was my favorite in these chapters though yeah he was awesome yeah he's just so cool commander room yep who's a hot tamale and this these these uh three there's a few hot tamales there really a lot of that yeah I think Bilbo is kind of a hot tamale he just like goes off his own does what he

[01:26:12] wants I think Bilbo he's giving sass to Boromir and stuff I think Gimli had some good lines in there yeah oh the dwarves are always ready with some of those um to me it's Arwen you can't beat Arwen nice Arwen there's a there's a line that like I was like smitten by just reading this line uh where is it where is it um they spoke together and then suddenly it seemed to Frodo that Arwen turned toward him and the light of her eyes fell on him

[01:26:40] from afar and pierced his heart he stood still enchanted while the sweet syllables of the elvish song fell like clear jewels of blended word and melody I was like I got all hot I wrote my comment I was like anyone else get hot and bothered after this scene it's so funny yeah it's like Arwen just looks at him and he's like and I love that it was like comforting too like yeah look away he didn't get shy but was just enchanted in it yeah

[01:27:09] but yeah it's like it's not like a look away it was like peacefully enchanted yeah I think it's great well yeah that's why we got married that's what I told my uh have I ever I told you guys that story right my my one friend in college he made it a pact and not look away if he was looking at a girl and they met and they made eye contact that he was like I'm not gonna be the first one that looks away that's how he met his wife that's incredible I was there when it happened they were both walking up and he was telling me about how he had this crush on her and then she walked up the stairs like five minutes

[01:27:38] later and they just locked eyes and she was walking away and then she just kind of like cracked a smile and went to the back library and then I walked over there I was like all right Jeremy you gotta go over there she's there so I like pushed him over there he went they started talking and then they're married that's awesome wow I remember that story Jeremy's got an enchanting gaze respect respect you guys have any hot tamales in this one any any other hot tamales

[01:28:07] before we do favorite moment I feel like I'll just say Bilbo because he's confident to just go sing songs and like yeah get the council yeah it's great yeah he does seem really comfortable I think I'm gonna do the same I'm a little bit doing that because I expect I'll give a lot to Gimli in the future so I don't want to give it to him too early yeah Bilbo is good Legolas flying on the snow that was pretty hot that was such hot

[01:28:37] tamale good energy and then what's your favorite moment in these chapters what's the favorite thing that you read mine I said this before but mine is when four mirrors like smiling and no one else is they all just respect Bilbo for offering to take the ring I thought that was such a cool moment I love that so much got any moments I'd like Gandalf's jokes kind of or like just his comebacks like when

[01:29:08] Saruman the white was all colorful and he just goes I like white better like that's me I literally just started laughing at that yeah I feel like it was just one long extended moment like sitting at the council even though it was a long time I felt like it was one moment yeah but it's cheap to say that but I really did love that all all those little stories it was like each one of them was a gem yeah I also really like Bilbo and

[01:29:37] Frodo talking and then Bilbo says like that line that you read and I already we talked about that because it almost made me cry but he goes like I didn't know if I was gonna be there for your chapters of our story and that line just hit me so hard that is like one of my favorite lines in the whole book so far I began to wonder if I should live to see your chapters of our story it's so good it's great great

[01:30:06] Bilbo to Frodo I love the relationship they have a cute little relationship and even when they leave Bilbo was like you know come back quick you know I want to hear all about this and you're gonna you're gonna tell me the whole story I'll leave some chapters for you know it's really cute yeah two cute old men I love it yeah they're both old so weird that is weird

[01:30:34] well thanks for joining us on our journey of the fellowship of the first-time readers yeah you