[00:00:00] All right, you wanna have a debate about Dementors real quick?
[00:00:02] Yes. Get it all out?
[00:00:03] A hundred percent.
[00:00:05] All right, this is gonna be a side podcast on Dementors
[00:00:09] because we have a sharp disagreement here.
[00:00:12] Well, state your case.
[00:00:14] You state your case, you're coming at me.
[00:00:17] Oh, you go first.
[00:00:18] Cause I have the lesser opinion.
[00:00:20] So you should speak for the masses and say your piece.
[00:00:25] I think...
[00:00:27] I think Dementors are evil
[00:00:29] because they're dark and scary.
[00:00:35] That's you, you have no original thoughts.
[00:00:38] Come on.
[00:00:41] Free yourself.
[00:00:42] Stop bullying me right now.
[00:00:46] You're just being swayed by...
[00:00:48] No, I'm not.
[00:00:50] Cause there is split opinions on this.
[00:00:53] I think...
[00:00:53] Okay.
[00:00:55] I think that they are
[00:01:01] wicked creatures
[00:01:04] because they are not seeking justice for things.
[00:01:09] They follow orders
[00:01:12] and what they do to people is
[00:01:19] the height of inhumanity.
[00:01:24] Okay.
[00:01:25] It's not morally right.
[00:01:26] I mean, we talk about this in like the muggle world
[00:01:29] of like, oh, you know, is it morally right
[00:01:31] for like capital punishment?
[00:01:32] Is that a morally just punishment?
[00:01:34] A lot of people today would say, no, it's not.
[00:01:36] You just let them like rot in prison.
[00:01:38] But some people would rather probably
[00:01:39] have capital punishment
[00:01:40] than rot the rest of their lives in prison.
[00:01:42] But it's like, what do you value in human life,
[00:01:46] in witch or wizard life?
[00:01:50] And I think what Dementors do is...
[00:01:53] I mean, she wrote it to be like,
[00:01:55] this is what she experienced in depression.
[00:01:57] It kind of sucks the happiness out of you.
[00:01:59] But the creature itself, I don't think is morally neutral.
[00:02:02] I think it is more of an evil leaning creature.
[00:02:06] Maybe not even...
[00:02:07] Okay. And maybe that's weird to say.
[00:02:09] I think the creature does what it was
[00:02:13] maybe not created to do
[00:02:15] cause their creation is a little interesting.
[00:02:17] Yeah.
[00:02:18] But what they do is just reprehensible.
[00:02:23] And so maybe they're not to blame,
[00:02:27] but I don't think that we should make them be guards
[00:02:30] of Azkaban prison and suck out all the happiness
[00:02:33] of every prisoner that is in Azkaban.
[00:02:35] Okay.
[00:02:37] Well, this is my thing.
[00:02:41] They're a beast, okay?
[00:02:43] Yeah.
[00:02:44] You're holding them to the standard
[00:02:46] of muggles and beings, right?
[00:02:50] I have like my PhD in Dementors now.
[00:02:52] So there's different, there's like beings
[00:02:56] which are like the good people, whatever.
[00:02:58] There's spirits and there's beasts and they're beasts.
[00:03:02] So when we're saying like,
[00:03:04] they're sucking the happiness out of a human
[00:03:08] and that makes them evil.
[00:03:09] That's cause you're looking at it
[00:03:11] with like anthropocentrism
[00:03:13] where like the human is the most important thing.
[00:03:16] Beast gotta eat.
[00:03:17] Beast doesn't care what he's eating.
[00:03:21] So an animal eats an animal.
[00:03:24] Everything's fine.
[00:03:24] That's the game of life.
[00:03:26] Animal eats a human.
[00:03:27] Okay.
[00:03:28] They don't understand human morals.
[00:03:29] They don't understand human superiority.
[00:03:32] Beast eats a beast.
[00:03:34] All right, that's fine.
[00:03:35] Beast eats a muggle.
[00:03:37] Suddenly that's evil.
[00:03:38] That's such an inconsistency because the Dementor,
[00:03:44] yes, it has an awareness of human happiness and morals,
[00:03:49] but it still has to eat.
[00:03:51] And this whole ministry of magic thing
[00:03:54] is kind of like a symbiotic relationship
[00:03:56] because the ministry gets to keep tabs
[00:04:00] on some of the Dementors
[00:04:02] and the ministry gets to uphold their levels of justice.
[00:04:07] They can punish their criminals.
[00:04:10] And then for the Dementors,
[00:04:12] they get to have like a happy level of soul sucking
[00:04:16] and they can survive.
[00:04:19] So there's this mutualism that the ministry of magic
[00:04:23] with the Dementors is creating,
[00:04:25] but then there's also like a beast just got to eat.
[00:04:31] They don't care.
[00:04:32] And there's not really much to go off of
[00:04:34] that they actually enjoy sucking the life out of humans.
[00:04:40] I'm serious because I looked at this
[00:04:42] and if they did get happiness out of it,
[00:04:45] I probably would change my opinion,
[00:04:46] but they really don't.
[00:04:48] They just got to eat.
[00:04:50] And there's that thing, animal, animal fine,
[00:04:51] animal, human fine, beast, beast fine,
[00:04:54] beast, human not fine.
[00:04:56] Why is that not fine?
[00:04:58] That's a great point.
[00:04:59] It's the, some of these, honestly,
[00:05:01] you're you kind of convinced me of it.
[00:05:03] My argument is so strong.
[00:05:06] I will say the classification of beast versus being
[00:05:10] is very hazy.
[00:05:12] Even his classifications,
[00:05:14] Newt Scamander's classifications
[00:05:15] of fantastic beasts and where to find them.
[00:05:17] He classifies something like a,
[00:05:20] how I self as a being,
[00:05:21] but he classifies a centaur as a beast.
[00:05:24] But a beast has a taste for human flesh.
[00:05:27] That's what I, yeah.
[00:05:30] That's one of the things that makes them beasts.
[00:05:34] Would cause centaurs would kill a human.
[00:05:36] We established that way before this was even a thing
[00:05:39] in like the first book.
[00:05:41] I asked you that without even thinking about it.
[00:05:46] Where did you get the idea
[00:05:47] that beasts have a taste for human flesh?
[00:05:50] Just the nature of beast is actually on the website.
[00:05:52] Yeah, well, that was in one of the things.
[00:05:55] There's like a beast classification of X to like 4X.
[00:05:58] 5X.
[00:06:00] 5X.
[00:06:01] And then on there, it said something like
[00:06:03] the beasts like to eat humans
[00:06:05] because there's something else that would eat a human.
[00:06:10] But I'm like, the monster is not eating a human.
[00:06:13] They are actually incapable of killing a human.
[00:06:16] They just leave them in a state worse than death.
[00:06:21] So they can't even kill them.
[00:06:24] That is actually, so I'm,
[00:06:27] in a very short window,
[00:06:28] you've actually convinced me kind of.
[00:06:31] And it's on the record.
[00:06:34] I have to say it does seem like a part of an ecosystem.
[00:06:42] I'm trying to equate the,
[00:06:45] my only conundrum is,
[00:06:52] which isn't necessarily a conundrum with your argument.
[00:06:54] Your argument is very sound.
[00:06:55] Say it, what is it?
[00:06:56] They just have to eat.
[00:06:57] My only conundrum is the extent to which they
[00:07:03] affect other life
[00:07:08] is nearly parasitical,
[00:07:12] which I mean, you need like parasites
[00:07:13] in your ecosystem, right?
[00:07:15] But you don't.
[00:07:18] I mean, the parasites need you in the ecosystem.
[00:07:21] Yeah, for sure they need hosts.
[00:07:23] But we, so it, what are they giving?
[00:07:31] I don't think they're giving much.
[00:07:33] They're not giving like a sense of justice in the world.
[00:07:36] They are solely takers,
[00:07:39] which I don't like in my ecosystem.
[00:07:42] Okay.
[00:07:44] But the ministry has kind of fashioned them into.
[00:07:49] Having a little bit of benefit.
[00:07:51] That should be a moot point
[00:07:53] because then you're bringing human interference
[00:07:55] and then you're saying beings,
[00:07:56] these beings are making them to be what they need them to be.
[00:07:59] We don't do that with many other beasts
[00:08:01] other than the mentors really.
[00:08:06] I mean, you could probably say the same thing
[00:08:07] about werewolves.
[00:08:08] Werewolves are another interesting one.
[00:08:09] They might be the most useful beast
[00:08:12] on the same side of the other side of that coin
[00:08:14] because they're the only beast
[00:08:15] that the humans actually utilize.
[00:08:19] The highest sentient ones.
[00:08:20] Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[00:08:20] Because what's the power of Azkaban without a dementor?
[00:08:24] The wizards have to stay wizards.
[00:08:27] They're gonna stay powerful.
[00:08:29] They're just gonna be locked up their whole life.
[00:08:31] Yeah.
[00:08:31] Okay, so someone on, one of our members says,
[00:08:35] and this was the origin story.
[00:08:36] I just couldn't remember the actual thing.
[00:08:38] The origin story is on what Azkaban actually is currently.
[00:08:43] There was an evil wizard
[00:08:44] that would torture people on that island
[00:08:46] and the ministry found them years later
[00:08:48] and all these dementors had been produced from this.
[00:08:51] So wherever there's a lot of despair
[00:08:53] and a lot of hopelessness and a lot of sadness,
[00:08:55] dementors just naturally pop up.
[00:08:58] So to be honest, they are a result of human issues,
[00:09:03] like wrongdoing.
[00:09:04] So we're almost the ones to fault here.
[00:09:07] Yeah.
[00:09:10] I didn't even know that.
[00:09:11] I don't think they make great,
[00:09:14] I mean, they make good decent guards.
[00:09:18] That is a...
[00:09:20] The kiss has to be administered by,
[00:09:23] like they have to be ordered to kiss a...
[00:09:28] Probably right now, if they were free,
[00:09:30] they would probably just be kissing
[00:09:31] anybody that they wanted to kiss.
[00:09:33] Be like, you know, it's like an alligator
[00:09:35] that eats like a big, like, you know, deer
[00:09:37] and it's good for the rest of the year.
[00:09:38] I feel like the kiss of the dementor is like,
[00:09:39] oh, I got a soul, I'm good for the rest of the year.
[00:09:41] Is it actually?
[00:09:42] Because I tried to find that and I couldn't find that.
[00:09:44] I don't know if there's any correlation between the two.
[00:09:46] Because the kiss is just like a buffet.
[00:09:50] That's what I kind of think it is, yeah.
[00:09:51] And like everything else is just like sustenance
[00:09:54] for the day.
[00:09:54] For sure.
[00:09:56] But what's interesting is the muggles
[00:09:59] can feel their presence too.
[00:10:01] That's not going to either of our arguments,
[00:10:03] but that's just an interesting fact.
[00:10:06] In a very short window, you've actually convinced me
[00:10:07] that dementors are...
[00:10:12] Not evil.
[00:10:13] Less evil than I initially thought.
[00:10:16] Not evil.
[00:10:17] That changes my opinion a lot on what...
[00:10:24] It actually is fascinating to look at the character,
[00:10:28] the people in this book who talk about dementors
[00:10:31] and the rest of the series,
[00:10:33] you talk about dementors like they're evil beings
[00:10:35] or evil beasts, because maybe that is just,
[00:10:38] they're saying that based on their own fear
[00:10:40] and their own sadness and their own remorse,
[00:10:43] because they hate the feelings associated
[00:10:44] when they're around these beasts.
[00:10:47] So they're just like, they're completely evil immediately
[00:10:50] because they're associated with depression
[00:10:52] and they hate their depression.
[00:10:53] So they're like, these things are evil because of that.
[00:10:55] And this, I'm so glad you brought this up
[00:10:57] because this is why I think Dumbledore
[00:10:59] has such a strong hatred for them
[00:11:01] because Dumbledore loves to give people second chances.
[00:11:05] He loves to stand up for the weirdos.
[00:11:07] He manipulates the truth.
[00:11:09] He withholds information and he lies.
[00:11:13] But all that with Dumbledore,
[00:11:16] to see the dementors just ruthlessly,
[00:11:20] they are told to sweep out these people
[00:11:25] or kill someone, right?
[00:11:26] They have a hit list.
[00:11:28] No sway from anyone, no invisibility cloak.
[00:11:33] It's not in their nature to understand pleading.
[00:11:35] They're just one-track minds.
[00:11:37] And I think Dumbledore is so much more fluid
[00:11:39] with what he'll allow and what he won't.
[00:11:42] And he loves to manipulate things like that.
[00:11:45] And for him to just see a dementor just be like,
[00:11:48] just kill someone and then just do it,
[00:11:50] I think it's just such a contrast for him
[00:11:53] that he just can't cope with that.
[00:11:55] And that's why he hates them
[00:11:56] because he's seen how much good can come
[00:11:59] from giving people second chances.
[00:12:02] Because even with Sirius,
[00:12:03] if Sirius did get eaten by a dementor,
[00:12:06] the man is good.
[00:12:08] Sirius is great.
[00:12:10] I love Sirius.
[00:12:11] But if the dementor did their job as told,
[00:12:17] Sirius wouldn't have had that.
[00:12:18] And I think Dumbledore knows
[00:12:19] that there's always a second side of people that you can,
[00:12:22] like he believes in the greater good
[00:12:23] and he believes that there's more.
[00:12:25] That's so good.
[00:12:26] That is so good.
[00:12:29] So yeah, there's these personality things
[00:12:32] of this is why Dumbledore hates them.
[00:12:34] This is why Hagrid hates them.
[00:12:37] This is why Lupin hates them.
[00:12:38] I feel like it's everyone has their own little issue
[00:12:40] that's not actually the dementor.
[00:12:42] It's like their wizarding worldview,
[00:12:45] which is why I thought you would kind of not hop
[00:12:47] on this train so fast because I'm like anthropocentrism,
[00:12:53] I think is pretty close to how my worldview
[00:12:57] would be where humans are the most important.
[00:12:59] But I'm not there fully
[00:13:01] because I understand our place in the ecosystem
[00:13:03] is not necessarily tops.
[00:13:05] But I thought you might lean a little more
[00:13:08] into like humans are more valuable than animals and stuff.
[00:13:11] Just like, I thought you'd be more that way than I am,
[00:13:15] but maybe we're on the same boat, which is awesome.
[00:13:17] But I don't know.
[00:13:20] Welcome to the dark side.
[00:13:21] I'm definitely, dang.
[00:13:27] I'm like trying to evaluate every character now
[00:13:29] to see what their actual fear of dementors is.
[00:13:32] I think the same would probably be true of Lupin as well
[00:13:34] because he was given a second chance.
[00:13:37] And he values that so much in students.
[00:13:39] That's probably why he views dementors as being evil
[00:13:42] because they take away your shot at a second chance.
[00:13:45] And Hagrid was wrongly imprisoned.
[00:13:46] Yeah, for sure.
[00:13:48] In a weird way, you've probably never seen this movie
[00:13:50] because it's an older one.
[00:13:51] Have you ever seen Minority Report?
[00:13:54] So it's these three like beings
[00:13:57] and they can predict the future on crime.
[00:14:00] And so crime is completely eradicated and shut down.
[00:14:02] But there's a loophole in it that there's either,
[00:14:06] if sometimes two of these people,
[00:14:08] two of these beings predict something
[00:14:10] and the third contradicts and they go with the majority.
[00:14:13] And in this one case,
[00:14:14] the third predicted that this wasn't gonna happen
[00:14:16] and this other person was arrested
[00:14:17] and it's like you control your own fate kind of thing.
[00:14:20] So I'm actually curious
[00:14:21] that the same thing with dementors.
[00:14:23] Dementors go around and they just go around feeding people,
[00:14:25] feeding on people and stuff like that.
[00:14:27] But I'm curious what their evaluation skills would be
[00:14:31] if they were to a higher degree sentient
[00:14:38] because they are able to take orders.
[00:14:40] They are able to do certain tasks.
[00:14:43] So wizards are essentially perverting
[00:14:46] maybe their true sense of-
[00:14:51] Like their autonomy almost?
[00:14:53] Yeah, for sure.
[00:14:54] But then again, they're like any,
[00:14:58] like survival instincts kicking in.
[00:14:59] You're not gonna evaluate a good person from a bad person.
[00:15:02] You're just gonna eat.
[00:15:05] But yeah, my worldview is slightly anthropocentric
[00:15:09] but not at the same time.
[00:15:14] Which is why I kind of like your theory a little bit.
[00:15:18] And it, dang, this is so good for so many other things
[00:15:22] that I was thinking about too.
[00:15:24] Because there's one of the most famous lines in the book
[00:15:27] is the world isn't always split
[00:15:28] into good people and death eaters.
[00:15:30] And then essentially all the main characters
[00:15:31] in this book split people
[00:15:32] into good people and death eaters.
[00:15:34] And you're like, that's not actually how it should be.
[00:15:36] So I'm thinking through this as being like all the beasts,
[00:15:39] they're not either good beasts or bad beasts
[00:15:40] or there's no such thing as beings and beasts.
[00:15:43] Yeah, because what are we basing our standard on?
[00:15:45] Yeah, seriously.
[00:15:46] We're saying that we're the ruling people
[00:15:48] and we decide what's good and bad.
[00:15:51] This is so good.
[00:15:55] And someone goes, I love seeing John's mind blown.
[00:15:58] Yeah, me too.
[00:15:59] That's why I'm here.
[00:16:02] Beings gotta eat too.
[00:16:05] You know, they converse, understand direction,
[00:16:06] even do paperwork.
[00:16:08] So they are more beings than beasts.
[00:16:11] So we can't make a beast's gotta eat argument.
[00:16:14] Yes, but you can exercise morality or you can.
[00:16:17] They did that until they were promised
[00:16:20] something greater by Voldemort
[00:16:21] and then almost all of them, if not all, joined.
[00:16:23] Yeah, because they go with who can promise them more souls.
[00:16:26] Yeah, for sure.
[00:16:27] So even that they're just seeking like-
[00:16:30] Food.
[00:16:30] More food.
[00:16:31] Are you gonna go to the tiny stream to drink
[00:16:33] that's there and it's temporary and you never know?
[00:16:35] Are you gonna go to the lake?
[00:16:37] You're gonna go to the lake.
[00:16:38] You need a drink.
[00:16:39] You need to eat.
[00:16:41] Soul is soul, meat is meat.
[00:16:43] Someone goes, John did not just call Minority Report
[00:16:46] an old movie.
[00:16:47] It is an old movie, Lana.
[00:16:48] When did it come out?
[00:16:50] 2000 maybe?
[00:16:52] Oof, that's-
[00:16:54] It's old.
[00:16:54] 24 years. 2002.
[00:16:56] A quarter of a decade.
[00:16:58] It's 22 years, yeah.
[00:17:04] What are your other apprehensions
[00:17:05] to fully coming to my point of view?
[00:17:08] Honestly, I don't have any.
[00:17:10] Are you fully convinced me?
[00:17:12] I am shocked by that.
[00:17:14] Oh, I'm so happy.
[00:17:15] I realized how flimsy my argument was.
[00:17:17] It was based on the idea that other people
[00:17:19] that I respect in these books call them dark.
[00:17:22] It was unoriginality.
[00:17:24] You called me out in the beginning.
[00:17:25] Be original with your arguments.
[00:17:26] Dude, I'm here either- only.
[00:17:29] I knew it, I knew it.
[00:17:31] Oh my gosh.
[00:17:33] I can't believe I've been a poser all this time.
[00:17:36] Yeah, your whole identity is a real Harry Potter fan.
[00:17:41] I know.
[00:17:43] And we can always give us your questions.
[00:17:45] I will convince everyone to come to my side.
[00:17:49] I will debate you.
[00:17:51] That's actually a great idea.
[00:17:53] Dementor debate part two.
[00:17:54] It could be an ongoing,
[00:17:56] because I don't really remember
[00:17:57] if there's development of Dementors in other books.
[00:18:00] Whenever we come to development,
[00:18:02] we'll take a pause and talk about that development.
[00:18:06] Because there will be some development
[00:18:07] that I do want to talk about and do want to discuss.
[00:18:10] Because I know there's a whole like Exodus
[00:18:12] into Voldemort side, but that's still totally like nothing.
[00:18:16] But what you're talking about is
[00:18:18] that you're talking about the purity of an entity.
[00:18:21] Rather than in the books,
[00:18:22] what is essentially happening is control.
[00:18:24] And really the people who are controlling Dementors
[00:18:27] are dark wizards.
[00:18:28] Originally it's like okay wiz-
[00:18:31] Excuse me.
[00:18:32] Oh my gosh.
[00:18:33] I just threw up there.
[00:18:34] It's okay wizards in the beginning.
[00:18:36] And then it transitions to dark wizards
[00:18:38] who are controlling them.
[00:18:39] And then it's the people we hate who are controlling them.
[00:18:41] Which is why most people who are good
[00:18:43] probably hate Dementors
[00:18:44] because they're the people that we hate are controlling them.
[00:18:48] But again, the world's not split
[00:18:48] into the good people and death eaters.
[00:18:49] The world's not split into Dementors
[00:18:53] and whatever else is going to be for that.
[00:19:00] Yeah.
[00:19:01] Is this not what started the whole thing
[00:19:03] of me being on the podcast too?
[00:19:05] Well-
[00:19:06] Because I remember sending you a voice memo.
[00:19:08] It was that, but it was more so depression.
[00:19:12] Oh, that's what I was going to say.
[00:19:13] That's my point.
[00:19:14] I'll cut this and put it in.
[00:19:16] Give it to me.
[00:19:18] The after the kiss state
[00:19:21] that you're like a husk or a shell.
[00:19:24] That to me is way more like that's depression
[00:19:28] than the actual thing that the Dementor is doing to you.
[00:19:31] Oh yeah, for sure.
[00:19:32] Cause I thought-
[00:19:33] I'm with you on that.
[00:19:34] I was trying to understand the Dementor as the depression
[00:19:38] and it wasn't computing to me at all.
[00:19:41] With the thing of sucking happiness out of it,
[00:19:43] that's not how I experienced it.
[00:19:48] So then this after the fact is just like
[00:19:51] that's what depression is.
[00:19:52] So then, I don't know,
[00:19:55] I guess it's interesting that she could create
[00:19:57] this whole other entity to kind of just get
[00:20:00] to that point of the husk is what she's really trying
[00:20:03] to give some-
[00:20:05] I do think that's what it was.
[00:20:06] And I do think there's different forms of depression.
[00:20:08] Everybody kind of encounters and deals with depression
[00:20:10] different ways.
[00:20:12] But I think it's the same thing when people say like
[00:20:15] when they have any, even personality disorders,
[00:20:17] people throw out personality disorders so flippantly.
[00:20:20] Everyone goes like, oh, I'm OCD.
[00:20:23] I'm like, no, you're not.
[00:20:24] You have not seen an OCD person
[00:20:26] and what they need to do in order to live or survive.
[00:20:32] It's a completely different ballgame
[00:20:33] because you have tics.
[00:20:36] You don't want something done a certain way.
[00:20:38] That doesn't mean you have OCD.
[00:20:40] It's not what it is.
[00:20:42] And this is the same thing with depression.
[00:20:43] Some people say, oh, I'm so depressed.
[00:20:45] I'm like, you're not.
[00:20:46] You're just sad about something right now.
[00:20:47] I never throw that around anymore.
[00:20:49] It's like, I just-
[00:20:51] Yeah.
[00:20:52] But I think there is-
[00:20:53] It's disrespectful to me.
[00:20:53] Yeah, I love the joke.
[00:20:55] Because someone who is encountering depression,
[00:20:57] who is in that, who is the husk of themselves,
[00:20:59] that is what real depression is to me.
[00:21:01] And I'm like, yes, I can experience depressing moments
[00:21:04] and depression can affect me in certain ways.
[00:21:07] But those are when the happiness is sucked out.
[00:21:10] Those are the moments that I'll walk through my day
[00:21:13] and I'll be a little bit bummed.
[00:21:15] And sometimes those moments are like,
[00:21:17] and again, it's like walking through the mist
[00:21:18] and you're walking through the mist
[00:21:19] or you're walking through the fog.
[00:21:21] And sometimes those are month-long spats
[00:21:24] where I'm like, I can't think positively for certain things
[00:21:28] and it takes conscious effort to get myself out of that.
[00:21:31] I do think that's definitely part of depression,
[00:21:33] but I think what clinical depression actually is,
[00:21:36] is being in that husk.
[00:21:38] And you feel like you're not yourself.
[00:21:40] You're completely not yourself.
[00:21:42] And I do think that, again, you can hit shades of that,
[00:21:45] but the mentor's kiss is the final kiss
[00:21:47] of what actual depression is.
[00:21:50] For sure.
[00:21:51] Because people, when they're throwing around on depressed,
[00:21:54] they're talking about a temporary sadness or disappointment.
[00:21:59] But depression is this whole state that you exist in.
[00:22:03] And then even in depression,
[00:22:05] you can experience temporary happiness
[00:22:09] and you can experience these little temporary joys.
[00:22:12] They're definitely muted.
[00:22:13] Yeah, for sure.
[00:22:14] But it's just kind of like,
[00:22:17] it's inverted the way that
[00:22:20] when you're throwing around the word,
[00:22:22] I'm depressed about this.
[00:22:23] It's like, no, that's not.
[00:22:24] Yeah.
[00:22:25] You're not.
[00:22:26] I know, I know.
[00:22:27] You're wrong.
[00:22:28] And then what are you supposed to do?
[00:22:28] Go tell everyone your life story?
[00:22:30] It's like, no, you just laugh along.
[00:22:32] Go, ha ha.
[00:22:33] Yeah, you just kind of play along with it.
[00:22:36] Because you don't want to be like, don't say that.
[00:22:39] What it is, what it actually is versus what
[00:22:42] people say that they have is just completely different.
[00:22:46] And yeah.
[00:22:55] I think that's a great point.
[00:22:57] I think having those moments where the dementors are
[00:23:06] sucking certain bits of happiness and hope out of you
[00:23:09] is the lead into depression.
[00:23:13] But it's not the actual thing itself.
[00:23:17] Such a good point.
[00:23:20] Yeah, because I think at the beginning of depression,
[00:23:23] you're aware that it's coming.
[00:23:25] Yeah, for sure.
[00:23:25] And you feel it leaving or you feel the certain things
[00:23:28] that once made you happy are not making you happy anymore.
[00:23:32] Or you wake up and you're just like,
[00:23:34] oh, today's not the day.
[00:23:37] Today is the day.
[00:23:38] But yeah, you're aware of the difference
[00:23:42] between the happiness leaving.
[00:23:45] Yeah, absolutely.
[00:23:47] Which I guess is the dementors sucking it out of you.
[00:23:50] I know.
[00:23:52] Dang, this is great.
[00:23:53] This is such a fun discussion about dementors.
[00:23:56] Now we're sympathizing.
[00:23:58] I know.
[00:23:58] And now we've come the full circle.
[00:24:00] It's the whole purpose of these books.
[00:24:01] Like, they help you sympathize,
[00:24:02] they help you understand each other.
[00:24:04] All right, this wraps up our discussion
[00:24:06] of Dementors part one.
[00:24:08] We're gonna have many more discussions about that
[00:24:10] where Lizzie's gonna convince me of different things
[00:24:11] in Harry Potter based on non-anthropocentrism.
[00:24:17] Thanks for joining us on our journey of Dementors.
[00:24:22] Bye!
[00:24:23] Bye! See ya!
[00:24:25] Bye, see ya!