[00:00:00] I think we're gonna be too long for this recording. Yeah, cuz we didn't like it.
[00:00:09] The one that was there's a couple of it
[00:00:12] There's some good parts in this movie, but there's overall well, then when you point out the Lily Cup thing
[00:00:17] I was like, that was good. Yeah the other fish
[00:00:21] It was a flower that turned into a fish. Or a fish that turned into a flower. I don't know.
[00:00:29] And then it was swimming all around
[00:00:31] until she died
[00:00:35] Very sad yeah, and very cool. It was like her own little Beasley clock. And then was there something else that was good?
[00:00:42] It turns off
[00:00:44] There were I think there were a lot of things that were good
[00:00:46] Probably some things that were bad too. I'm good at sticking to the velcro of the negative stuff.
[00:00:55] But I love the the production value for one yeah, it just felt like again
[00:01:00] I've said this every movie it feels so much better than the last
[00:01:03] and this one, I mean they were all in with the budget and
[00:01:08] It shows. Yeah, that's crisp. Yeah, like the way it was shot and the effects. Yeah
[00:01:17] Yeah, like they the visual aspect of this definitely you like I
[00:01:24] Feel like there were creative choices that the directors made that they like had whatever they they could do whatever they wanted to do
[00:01:30] Like you even noticed the black and white in the cave scene
[00:01:33] And it's one of my favorites because it goes all black and white and then you have the fire and it's like right
[00:01:37] It's crazy. And it's like such a well shot scene
[00:01:41] but a lot of the other ones
[00:01:43] They're like again, this is it's one of the more divisive movies actually not really divisive
[00:01:48] It's pretty unanimously the most hated of the movies. Whoa
[00:01:53] Yeah, people just yeah
[00:01:56] You have a very good vibe on the Harry Potter community
[00:02:00] Because it's it just deviates so much from the book which yeah
[00:02:05] All right, that's fair
[00:02:05] Honestly, which is a funny thing to me because you guys didn't necessarily like it and you've been really far removed from the book
[00:02:11] So it's like I'm gonna even remind you guys with some certain stuff in the books
[00:02:14] Yeah, you're like, oh, yeah, they completely forgot about that or they completely forgot about this but the moon I forgot about it, too
[00:02:19] Yeah
[00:02:21] Just like there are certain staple things you just don't change. Yes
[00:02:27] What are those staples to you I
[00:02:30] Don't like that snake. It wasn't this mystery. Yes that I did not like it
[00:02:36] so that this is actually a great point when
[00:02:39] If we watch this movie before we started the seventh book you guys think that would have been spoiled for you
[00:02:44] Yeah, really it was like too obvious
[00:02:47] It was obvious
[00:02:50] Now yeah, I think it would have given us a pretty big clue
[00:02:54] Well because he's like to Harry underneath would and room and that feels like you're on that side
[00:03:00] Cuz otherwise would have been debating would have exposed Harry like you imagine if Snape is actually on
[00:03:06] The Death Eater side he would have said Harry's down here and like bring him up. Oh, yeah
[00:03:11] He's not like even afterwards still knows
[00:03:15] Yeah, you're right. I forgot
[00:03:18] Even as we were talking it out like yeah, you're right
[00:03:21] We would have talked all of that through and there was no reason his only thought was
[00:03:27] But Harry still chases him out and he still
[00:03:30] Stops Harry and I'm just saying
[00:03:34] Protective or something it did it did and I don't even if by no like
[00:03:39] Since we had finished the books and then watch it. I still think I would have picked up on that
[00:03:45] If you didn't finish the books and I watched that would've been like wait
[00:03:51] Snape is doing what and I think that's what's weird in the books its peak
[00:03:57] fury at
[00:03:59] Snape and in the movies, you're just left with mystery like wait, what was that about? Could he still be good? Oh interesting
[00:04:06] but in the books those were not the emotions and
[00:04:10] I'm glad we didn't watch the sixth movie. It didn't feel
[00:04:16] Like it was the same energy
[00:04:19] Yeah
[00:04:21] And Dumbledore is just so like cold
[00:04:25] And I brought it to a cohort my co-worker that likes Harry Potter he's like, yeah, but he's supposed to be no
[00:04:33] He said that the reason he
[00:04:37] Liked him more than I guess I was saying. I liked him was that
[00:04:41] He's it's visually portraying that he couldn't he had to be closed off from Harry
[00:04:48] For the Voldemort connection of the Horcrux seeing it like being able to see through Harry
[00:04:57] So I was like, I guess there's a point there. No that I really don't like him
[00:05:03] That point sorry, I gotta I'm having mic issues
[00:05:12] Was what the same book or is it the week before the week the book before
[00:05:18] Yeah, so that's I I think
[00:05:22] Which is a weird point
[00:05:24] Michael Gambon's best acted movie is the fifth one
[00:05:27] because
[00:05:29] Dumbledore
[00:05:31] Think his best his best acted movie is the fifth one because in the fifth book he's cold in the sixth book
[00:05:36] He's not cold at all. He's like very apologetic and like yes up a relationship and a friendship with Harry
[00:05:42] Yeah, like a way that you never that's right. Then he brings him to the cave. He's gonna be open with you
[00:05:46] Like he's not open with everything you'll that difference yeah, you feel the warmth in the sixth book especially
[00:05:51] Yep, and the fifth one
[00:05:53] He is acting as cold and he nails it because he's cold in the books
[00:05:57] Yeah, he doesn't want to really like talk to Harry
[00:05:59] So I'm like he's acting like he is normally around it around these movies
[00:06:03] But he just nails it. I feel like they like told him the wrong role like
[00:06:07] He only read the fifth book and he that's what he went with
[00:06:12] No, that's fair and that's why in the books it feels distant and you're from Harry's perspective you're like lost
[00:06:18] You're like why is Dumbledore being like this? But in the movies, it doesn't feel like that because
[00:06:23] He has the same feeling in four or five and six. Oh, yeah, there's no change
[00:06:29] So like you wouldn't notice anything. That's just how he is. Yeah, I don't know something about it
[00:06:34] It just it's kind of blending together where you're just missing that warmth through and through
[00:06:40] Yeah, I mean I still think overall it was entertaining and yeah, I don't want to hate on him like too much of course
[00:06:46] but it's
[00:06:48] Wonder what it would have been like to watch all of them and then like do the reverse for sure, but that's
[00:06:58] Yeah, exactly we'll get to ask him and then we'll get to see see what the deal is his mind will be blown
[00:07:05] So, yeah, we'll talk about this movie in like pieces I think
[00:07:11] Because there's good parts of it. There's bad parts of it
[00:07:13] I made a video on how this is actually my favorite movie. I think it's your favorite movie
[00:07:20] And I say that kind of like tongue-in-cheek because everyone hates it right right right arian
[00:07:26] But what were your points my points were it's
[00:07:31] It has like the tone of the movie is really really interesting so
[00:07:37] Actually, let's let me start and then we'll I'll go into my real points
[00:07:45] Jen Danny I should have a cadence of more finale and Danny
[00:07:51] And this is Harry Potter, maybe we do it
[00:08:07] Okay, so my reasons for liking this movie are
[00:08:11] Split into segments of what I think good scenes are and bad scenes are I think out of all of them
[00:08:16] This is probably the worst adaptation
[00:08:18] But as far as like how a movie is made and like the entertainment value of a movie
[00:08:22] I think it's the best one
[00:08:24] There's other ones that like the next two are good as far as like a movies concerned
[00:08:28] But the next one is a really good adaptation. The one after that is is kind of in the same vein as
[00:08:33] footprints, but
[00:08:35] The like the first and second are just adaptations. They're kind of boring the movies
[00:08:40] I find they're like quaint and you know
[00:08:41] I watch them at holidays and it's nice
[00:08:43] but this one feels more like a movie like you sit down and like you're you miss certain things because of the sins of the
[00:08:49] Previous movies, but it just feels more like a movie like
[00:08:52] Rather than an adaptation, I guess so I like that
[00:08:54] I love certain scenes of this movie like the hairy drunk scene. I think it's one of the best scenes in the entire
[00:09:02] Felix Felicis, I think that's one of the best
[00:09:06] Higher franchise. I love that scene so much
[00:09:09] the the moment when he's like
[00:09:12] Slughorn is talking about Lily turning the flower of the Francis the fish
[00:09:16] I think that's one of the best little additions to the movies
[00:09:19] But one of my favorite parts is these movies the books to like you get a
[00:09:25] movement between Harry just wanted to be a kid and
[00:09:28] Just wanted to like, you know date. He's like has a crush on Ginny
[00:09:32] Yes, thank Virginia and then he goes to Dumbledore's office and it's dead serious
[00:09:36] It's like okay
[00:09:37] we got to figure this out and the books play have a really good play between that and I think the movies actually have a
[00:09:43] Exceptional play between that you're right
[00:09:44] Yeah, like there's so many like small little jokes in there with Ron and his dating life and Hermione
[00:09:50] You're so wrapped up in the dating world of their
[00:09:52] Them like someone actually remade this entire movie or a trailer put a trailer out on YouTube and they're like they remade it
[00:09:59] So it's a rom-com and it just like makes sense
[00:10:02] And it just feels like a rom-com but at the same point there's so many dark moments in here
[00:10:06] Yeah, I love that. The director switches between those so almost effortlessly. So I love that part of it
[00:10:12] So there's like a few things that I just really love but I for this movie
[00:10:16] I break it up at the scenes and like chunks and there are some that are terrible that are absolutely awful
[00:10:21] And there are some that are spectacular
[00:10:23] Like even the Katie Bell scene where she gets hexed by the necklace
[00:10:27] I think that was a great scene
[00:10:28] Like it was like some weirdness to it like Hermione's coming out and she's pretty much like half drunk like pretty wrong putting her
[00:10:33] Arms around Ron and Harry and you know, she's acting all goofy
[00:10:36] Yeah, and all of a sudden out of nowhere Katie Bell gets like put into the air and it's kind of that was creepy
[00:10:42] Yeah, it's kind of a creepy scary scene. Yeah, so I kind of like that
[00:10:47] But I don't know most people hate this movie so much
[00:10:50] It is also crazy as each movie like director picked and cut out different things. It's like the next one can't
[00:11:00] Like add that like can you get a little trapped?
[00:11:03] Yeah, you're like and I was like, oh man that does sting cuz like what if they wanted to revisit that like that character doesn't even
[00:11:10] exist, yep
[00:11:13] Which is one of the big who they would have
[00:11:16] Like I was I'm just wondering of certain things like oh like if
[00:11:21] Would we have missed did we miss big scenes because they clipped them out in earlier movies, I don't know
[00:11:27] well, yeah, I guess I missing characters we almost certainly have but I
[00:11:32] Can't think of any right now. I
[00:11:34] Mean so like there's a few
[00:11:38] That we just completely miss out like Bagman, but he's not like that important but the Neville and Dobby
[00:11:43] stories like their character arcs
[00:11:46] are completely different so
[00:11:49] There's a point in and like I've heard a few people say this when they're movie only
[00:11:53] Watchers and the point where Neville like, you know cuts the snake which happens in the movies
[00:11:59] They're like, why is that such a big deal but for us who are like book readers like that's important for his character arc
[00:12:05] That's like he's becoming a true Gryffindor. It's like significant
[00:12:08] It's like such a cool moment because you really see his character because they skip out the whole
[00:12:13] His whole like parent kind of situation they briefly touch on it
[00:12:16] Hmm, but that's just like not there and then Dobby's even Dobby's background and his story
[00:12:22] It's just different creature. They missed his entire thing, which is
[00:12:26] Even exist. I know yeah, I was really as creature doesn't movies he does but
[00:12:33] Cuz he was oh, he didn't come up in book six. I'm no he does
[00:12:38] But he yeah, he was a minor character in six, but he was around in five six also
[00:12:47] Bug
[00:12:49] I
[00:12:53] Just forgot everything
[00:12:55] You're saying something about six with six was the one way that the safe house or is that book seven?
[00:13:03] Safe houses book seven black. Yeah, the black house. That's book five which they go to that's headquarters for yeah, but then where
[00:13:10] Okay, that's book seven but he's creatures a little bit and this one I'm fine that they cut him out of this one
[00:13:18] I thought it was like I was thinking it was the other storyline of him
[00:13:23] So I'm like that's huge to be honest
[00:13:25] Okay, so like it's kind of necessary in this they can use it by they could do it by some other means but in book
[00:13:30] six
[00:13:31] Dumbledore comes to the Dursley's house and remember this is when he gives like them to him to like lecture or them to lecture
[00:13:38] He's like, oh my good never been a good
[00:13:40] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you've never been good parental figures to him like and he he throws shade at Dudley to he's like
[00:13:48] Luckily Harry escaped the harm that you inflicted on this boy and you're like that least and he's like, huh?
[00:13:54] And it's like a great
[00:13:57] There's one double or summons creature. Yeah, he's like, okay
[00:14:01] Let's see if creature or if number 12 places in your possession here and that's where we find out it is
[00:14:07] So when they go to the safe house in movie seven, you're like do they really own it there's like, you know
[00:14:11] Some creepiness to it, but they really it's like Harry so he owns it. Yeah his
[00:14:16] Place, which I guess a minor thing you can kind of skip that but again
[00:14:22] Movie six
[00:14:25] Like
[00:14:27] The biggest gripe that people have is it just skips the memories of
[00:14:31] Voldemort you don't really know what this kids about or like why he won't
[00:14:37] Three
[00:14:39] Okay, yeah of like the
[00:14:42] His family like his parents. Why didn't they put they didn't put the mom at all with the love potion. Yeah. Yeah, you're right
[00:14:48] That's really weird. Well, I think I understand in a way why they would do that
[00:14:54] To keep just the pacing of it because it's hard to do memories
[00:14:58] So they're like look as a kid
[00:15:00] Okay real quick and then they move on and then it ties in nicely with
[00:15:05] Slughorn and then they skip everything else. That was the previous generation
[00:15:10] But it just stinks because we loved it in the movies or in the books
[00:15:14] But I don't know. Maybe I'm also wondering when different people read different people might focus on different things
[00:15:21] So for me, I was focusing on specific things and I love those memories because that's wizard lore
[00:15:26] I'm like, what are we gonna figure out?
[00:15:28] Where can we make these connections and maybe other people are like skip it same thing with Quidditch
[00:15:33] Some people might be like loving Quidditch. Other people are like forget it
[00:15:37] So, I don't know. I'm not sure but they could have done it though like quick
[00:15:41] They definitely could have just had like a span of memories and then just flashing
[00:15:47] Absolutely, and that's what I do like about
[00:15:50] Missing scenes rather than changing them because I can dream
[00:15:55] There's a deleted scene and they just had to cut it for time or for something else
[00:16:00] Well, there must be deleted scenes right? Do these movies have deleted scenes?
[00:16:03] Yeah, because I feel like that'd be fun to watch and see what else even just was on the cutting room floor
[00:16:10] I'm just thinking of Lord of the Rings in the extended edition. Those are different because they're like 45 minutes of extra content
[00:16:17] but
[00:16:19] Yeah, I don't know the memories
[00:16:22] at least we still
[00:16:24] Hate Voldemort. Yeah
[00:16:27] But we don't understand. Yeah, we don't really understand him
[00:16:30] We like still hate him we I think in the movies when you see Voldemort you just see him as like off
[00:16:36] Like odd. Hmm like even the I kind of like the child actors that play him because they kind of portray that somewhat
[00:16:43] Well, oh
[00:16:45] Sorry, yeah
[00:16:47] The
[00:16:49] Hurting people and stuff. Yeah, and the possession I guess yeah kind of but but it's not like there in its entirety
[00:16:55] What it should be in the books because in the books that happens and then
[00:17:00] Is the cave mentioned before the cave like?
[00:17:05] Where did they mention a field trip? Like there was something where he hurt kids. Yeah, you have to hurt the kids
[00:17:10] Yeah, that's how double their new
[00:17:12] So like it's that stuff that's important again if you're making an adaptation, I understand why you're trying to cut it
[00:17:17] It's not like essential you can kind of arrive at that in your mind just like skipping over those things
[00:17:22] But I think some of the essential parts that they miss are like him
[00:17:25] More as an adult and like working in Borgin and Burks like trying to get a job
[00:17:30] Yes
[00:17:30] Like yeah, I kind of stuff like him meeting with Hebzebub Smith and like the lust in his eyes like him even him slowly
[00:17:36] Or the horcruxes right? Wasn't he collecting them? Yep
[00:17:40] And and then seeing the beginning of that and the changing in appearance, right?
[00:17:46] Yeah, and then even when he came
[00:17:49] Hogwarts to try and get the job that was all book six two. Yeah, and so we don't see any progression just child
[00:17:56] I just wish they just made it longer than or something like why no
[00:18:00] Yeah
[00:18:00] Is it a budget thing?
[00:18:01] And I also feel like there were there were bonding moments between
[00:18:04] Harry and Dumbledore while they're kind of figuring this stuff out together
[00:18:08] Even though you get fair even though you get the feeling Dumbledore in the books at least is trying to teach Harry like
[00:18:15] How to do this kind of hunting?
[00:18:18] And kind of guiding him. It's a little less mystery, but then here just feels so fast. It was just
[00:18:24] The cave. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of other stuff. Well, I should say Slughorn was the first adventure than the cave
[00:18:31] But yeah
[00:18:35] Yeah, there was certain things that I was like
[00:18:38] I wish he'd like said something more cuz Dumbledore actually says light but then Harry can't remember it
[00:18:44] Yeah
[00:18:45] Hmm, and that's a great part like weird and then there's a part that everyone wants in these movies
[00:18:50] which you don't get in the beginning, but
[00:18:53] when
[00:18:55] Harry is on his way to the cave
[00:18:57] He talks to Ron and Hermione and they're like he's like they're like
[00:19:00] I don't know they're talking if they're nervous or something like that and Harry's like, oh, don't worry
[00:19:03] Like I'll be with Dumbledore and then as they're leaving the cave
[00:19:08] Harry goes like oh, don't worry Dumbledore and he goes home. Not Harry
[00:19:11] I'm with you like even the change in those lines
[00:19:14] movie lovers or book lovers would have loved to have those in the movies like because it's small lines in the cave that you see
[00:19:20] Like how much Dumbledore actually loved and cared for him?
[00:19:22] You pick the one line that your blood is more important. There was that yeah, there's that
[00:19:27] But then he cut he had to leave also by giving blood. Yep
[00:19:32] I
[00:19:34] Will say the cave scene is like one of the better scenes for me like how I pictured that in my head
[00:19:39] It's pretty similar to how it looked in
[00:19:42] In other movies. Yeah
[00:19:44] Rough to watch I know for sure intense. Yeah, like there there was intensity. I
[00:19:51] Kind of would have liked to see like the progression of intensity more
[00:19:54] It was like he drank that and all of a sudden it was intense and he just had to keep drinking it
[00:19:58] I like the idea that it's like slow torture. Yeah
[00:20:01] Yeah
[00:20:05] But when he was drinking it it was like slowly putting him into madness and so like the last few then Harry was like
[00:20:11] Terrified of this. Yep, but even some of the lines that he said when he was being terror when he was being tortured by this
[00:20:16] Drink we're like kind of good. He's like, you know kill me
[00:20:19] Yeah
[00:20:20] he doesn't you don't get the exact lines that you get in the book which you're like just keep the exact lines in the book because
[00:20:25] he's talking about like
[00:20:27] Really? There's like hidden stories with Kendra and with Ariana like his brother ever forth and his dad that you get in the book
[00:20:35] You're kind of piecing together. Like why would you keep it the same? I know
[00:20:41] Yeah fair
[00:20:43] Also, I pictured the beginning of the cave seem different where he had to find like the magic. He's like you could find magic anywhere
[00:20:51] And I thought I don't know I thought of it differently
[00:20:55] How do you think of it?
[00:20:57] Isn't he pull something out? He's pulling a boat out, but it doesn't seem like it's magical
[00:21:02] I don't know. It didn't seem as magical as Dumbledore being like this
[00:21:07] awesome wizard that can
[00:21:10] Navigate dark magic and ancient magic once they're in the
[00:21:16] Cave like I thought he said that he was feeling like the air and like grabbed something in the air
[00:21:21] But that it didn't exist to Harry
[00:21:23] Yeah, and it almost felt like that to me both then it was funny cuz then he just gives Harry like the chain or the
[00:21:36] I just felt like a little bit. I loved the scene, but I didn't feel like as magical or like a shine a light on Dumbledore's
[00:21:46] Gifting yeah, like the wisdom he has and
[00:21:50] Being able to navigate all of these horror cruxes and figuring them out and and then be like make it look easy
[00:21:56] I guess he made it look easy getting the chain. I don't know
[00:22:02] Because there's certain parts in the books where you realize that Dumbledore is
[00:22:06] Significantly better than everyone else like you can touch him
[00:22:08] And I think the one part of the movies that does it well as movie five when he's in a duel with Voldemort
[00:22:13] And you're like these two can do stuff that other people can't oh, yeah, like that's really cool in the books
[00:22:18] It was even cooler
[00:22:19] but this is one of those scenes where like Dumbledore seems like he's like a
[00:22:23] Little bit more far advanced like you mean like says all like magic always leaves traces
[00:22:28] He's like holding his hand out over the water and the chain pops in but I'm with you Jen
[00:22:32] I wish they did it more because I think this is a point
[00:22:36] I think this is actually a really important point going forward with it where Harry is
[00:22:41] Almost almost feels like overshadowed by how good Dumbledore was at this stuff
[00:22:45] And he's like furious with how much Dumbledore knew and didn't tell Harry
[00:22:48] I think this fuels Harry into like his not like insanity, but
[00:22:53] It is deep frustration because at the cave Dumbledore is doing things that Harry has never seen before
[00:22:59] He's like reaching in the air like grabbing magic that Harry can't even like fathom and he and Harry is like in all of them
[00:23:05] and then
[00:23:06] At the end of this when Dumbledore dies
[00:23:08] He's like why didn't I ask Dumbledore about all this stuff?
[00:23:11] And there's like more personal stuff that he has to go with go through with this
[00:23:14] But I would have liked more like Dumbledore is far in advance a better wizard than anybody that we've ever seen
[00:23:20] We got that to some extent but not to the extent that I wanted it
[00:23:24] hmm, and also it then it shows the contrast between like Harry having to finish this job where he
[00:23:30] Yeah, he doesn't even know what he's doing. No anything
[00:23:36] So I think that would have been neat to just show a little bit more of that yeah fully agree on that
[00:23:44] So I did like the cave scene
[00:23:47] What did you guys think of like kind of the whole I
[00:23:51] mean
[00:23:51] sometimes it's even hard to remember some of the stuff that happened to begin in the beginning because the end is just very like
[00:23:55] Crystal clear. What do you guys think of the whole beginning part of the movie?
[00:23:59] So this is when they're like recruiting Dumbledore. They're recruiting Slughorn. I thought I liked Slughorn in this
[00:24:05] Yeah, I don't know how you felt but in the books
[00:24:09] Slughorn was a character for sure, but he didn't feel as important
[00:24:15] But in the movies it was like he had much more of a presence a lot more screen time
[00:24:20] Then he had mind time for me because I was still so concerned about
[00:24:25] Harry in the books and Harry and Dumbledore and it was a lot more like the mystery these other things
[00:24:30] But I really liked that Slughorn story. I liked the way the movies portrayed it
[00:24:37] It was very engaging and like you said didn't feel like an adaptation it felt like the story was driving it
[00:24:43] And I thought he did a good job being
[00:24:46] zany, yeah, and not like
[00:24:50] Evil, but you'd still don't trust him fully
[00:24:55] Sleazy in the books. Yeah agreed
[00:24:59] Yeah, yeah
[00:25:01] And just maybe he was just older. I pictured him just being a
[00:25:05] Little different but I didn't mind the way he was portrayed. I thought it was good. I like that guy whatever his name is
[00:25:13] I keep thinking of him because he's the one in hot fuzz who says the greater good
[00:25:18] Yeah
[00:25:20] I've been thinking of him for a while. It's actually great. It's a greater good. They had to pick someone
[00:25:29] That his character had to have more of a presence though because they didn't have any other
[00:25:35] Storylines, right? Yeah, right and they so it feels like they chose that direction and they chose a little bit of the romance
[00:25:43] stuff, but they didn't also
[00:25:45] do anything with I
[00:25:48] Didn't feel like the prize possession of like the
[00:25:52] He likes his ego of knowing or training all these different. Yeah students
[00:25:59] I feel like didn't really come across. Oh, you don't think so
[00:26:02] There's
[00:26:05] Maybe it cuz it's yeah, I guess it was mentioned and now well cuz he had his
[00:26:09] His pictures up. Mm-hmm
[00:26:11] Well, I mean we were looking for it
[00:26:13] But then even when they left at the beginning Dumbledore said something to Harry which I think he also said in the book
[00:26:17] He's gonna try and collect you. Mm-hmm
[00:26:19] And again, it shows like that's why Harry was there and it shows that he's like a little shallow
[00:26:24] and then the way he would cut people off in like the dinner and kind of say oh
[00:26:28] You're not worthy or like he would never remember Ron's name
[00:26:31] It didn't quite make sense to me how in one scene
[00:26:36] He was like running almost scared from Harry because he Harry was on to him
[00:26:40] But then the next scene Harry's there with Ron and he's like, yep. All right come in. I was like
[00:26:49] But yeah, I thought a lot of those scenes were Ron poisoning scene, yeah
[00:26:52] I
[00:26:55] Kind of I maybe I disagree a little bit
[00:26:57] I kind of liked I think he's the shining point of this whole movie like I think this movie would be pretty rough without
[00:27:04] Having him as being such a good actor and I actually like the part where
[00:27:08] He like forgives Harry so quickly because I feel like that's with very within the character of
[00:27:13] Slughorn and even in the movie or even the books it kind of happens like that
[00:27:17] Where he's like kind of avoiding Harry, but then he's almost like all right
[00:27:21] Harry's gonna be the most famous wizard of all time. I have to befriend him. I have to get over
[00:27:26] like you see that in the movies where he's like avoiding him and all of a sudden he comes back and
[00:27:29] Slughorn's like, oh, you know all water under the bridge and he's like, yeah, I have to like, you know, yeah
[00:27:35] finagle my way into this guy a little bit, you know, so I think he was just
[00:27:40] he to me he was a
[00:27:43] Not a perfect adaptation of a slughorn actually, I'll say a perfect adaptation of his luck horn
[00:27:48] He's a little bit different from but the book but I think his changes make him a more compelling character
[00:27:54] Almost in the same way that that Snape is a little different from book
[00:27:58] Snape the movie Snape like in the movie Snape is a bit more like of a sympathetic character
[00:28:03] The same thing I think is true with slughorn the movies. He's a bit more sympathetic the character
[00:28:08] Yeah, oh man, you're right with Snape yeah because in the books he's just a bully
[00:28:13] He's better in the movies in some ways like I like him a little more on like Oh Alan Rickman's awesome
[00:28:19] Yeah, but it's not fair to watch scenes like that already knowing and then I'm like, alright it changes it
[00:28:23] But him like telling Harry to be quiet and going and doing all that. I feel like well again, it's not fair
[00:28:30] Now I'm watching it with that in mind, but I'm like it comes off very different. It's much more like
[00:28:36] Gentle and soft and the look in his eye. You just kind of know how hard it is for him
[00:28:41] So it also makes me wonder when they're doing the movies
[00:28:44] like who they were for
[00:28:47] scenes like that almost make it seem like it was for people who already loved the books and then
[00:28:53] Want to relive the books through the movie. Yeah for sure
[00:28:58] But then there are other scenes where it feels like they don't even care about book people. So yeah goes back and forth
[00:29:02] I know this movie feels like it's hot and cold with that
[00:29:05] Yeah, so the whole beginning of it
[00:29:10] I think you mentioned this when we were watching the movie Jen of
[00:29:13] Even the initial changes in Dumbledore when you first see him are like
[00:29:18] drastic
[00:29:20] where
[00:29:21] We don't get the Dursley scene
[00:29:22] Which I was bummed out about like out of any movie to have a Dursley scene
[00:29:26] I was like, oh, I'm gonna have to watch it again. I'm gonna watch it again
[00:29:29] I'm gonna watch it again. I'm gonna watch it again. I'm gonna watch it again
[00:29:32] Which I was bummed out about like out of any movie to have the Dursley's in it
[00:29:36] You want them in this movie because yeah, I get it
[00:29:39] Isn't this the scene where they've got brandy and it's like whacking them in the side of the head. It's great. You're right
[00:29:45] It's so great
[00:29:46] It's like such a fun scene in the books where they finally get told how terrible of people there to their face
[00:29:52] You're like you want that and there's the one movie that they're not in and Harry is like riding the train stations
[00:29:57] You know like you understand
[00:30:01] He's about to go on a date with that girl
[00:30:03] He's like Harry's doing some like strange things that could take his mind off of things and he's like, yeah
[00:30:09] You've been reckless Harry
[00:30:11] And then he has this one line. I think you even said it during the movie Jen where Dumbledore goes
[00:30:19] Like take my arm Harry and Harry's head is in it and then Dumbledore just says do as I say
[00:30:25] And I think you were like, that's not what Dumbledore would do at all
[00:30:28] It's like not a Dumbledore character
[00:30:30] Like he he commands Harry in the very end when he's like earned his trust a little bit more
[00:30:36] Or he's like if you have to do the things that I need done Harry when we go to the cave
[00:30:41] This is absolutely essential
[00:30:42] But in the beginning it's just different when he's doing on this like little side quest mission to get slughorn
[00:30:47] You're like, I don't think that's how Dumbledore would really talk to Harry like that
[00:30:51] he like invites him on this journey and especially now because
[00:30:55] In the beginning part of this book Dumbledore is trying to gain Harry's trust. Mm-hmm
[00:31:00] He's trying to like make it up to Harry in any way that he can and you kind of see in the books in the movies
[00:31:05] He's just still cold and he's like almost doesn't care that Sirius has died and like, you know
[00:31:09] He says you've been reckless this summer Harry
[00:31:17] Only person that really really like wanted him, you know is is dead
[00:31:22] So
[00:31:26] He got the house, yeah
[00:31:30] But serious left the house to you. Yeah
[00:31:33] It didn't get mentioned at all. So they still could mention it in seven before they go. But yeah, you're right
[00:31:39] but it because it changes the tone because then again Harry's like trying concluding the grief and in the books when we're reading it back to
[00:31:46] Back, we're like we're still feeling that with him
[00:31:49] Yeah, it didn't seem like it was the grief from Sirius's death
[00:31:54] Oh, yeah, I really didn't the beginning of the movie just seemed like he was just being reckless
[00:31:59] Yeah, just like an 18 is being right. Yeah, and because we just finished the seventh book
[00:32:05] I still have that like
[00:32:07] Voldemort is out to get you mentality. Yeah, it feels funny that Harry's just like I'm at a cafe, you know, I'm like
[00:32:14] by himself and like
[00:32:16] I was like, what is he doing?
[00:32:18] Of the house again. This is such an important part because yeah, he is away from the protection of the house
[00:32:23] So Voldemort literally could have gotten in there could have gotten his Metro card and hopped onto the train and just ended Harry
[00:32:29] Right then and there it just goes against the actual like this is something that the magic
[00:32:34] Yeah, exactly. Like this is my my favorite Harry Potter podcast
[00:32:39] They bring this point up all the time where the movies just go against what the actual magic should do
[00:32:42] like they disrespect the magic and it's like my biggest qualm with them to is that
[00:32:47] Like the Delia's charm is so important and it's like, okay
[00:32:51] This is a different version of the Fidelius charm
[00:32:53] but like the protection that Harry has on this house is vital and him just being reckless and like going around like that is not
[00:32:59] Something is not cool
[00:33:00] And then it means that even if it was a different director doing the seventh movie
[00:33:05] They can't make a big deal about that or then it discredits the sixth movie. So they're kind of it's like improv, you know
[00:33:11] Yes, and they have to read the series before they were
[00:33:16] Because I would if I was JK like you have to read it
[00:33:21] Yeah, well, but everyone just gets different things out of it. I'm trying to give them credit, but it's
[00:33:26] Yeah, I'm like Ginny comes out of nowhere and all of a sudden they have a crush
[00:33:30] I'm like she didn't exist in the first few. I just gotta say it. I don't like Ginny Ginny in the movies
[00:33:36] Yeah, she's not like I don't want to hate on like the actress or whatever like she's cool
[00:33:42] She's Ginny but she's not a hot tamale. You know what? I mean give her an opportunity either
[00:33:49] Yeah, but whatever opportunity she did have there was like one scene. I remember being like, oh, all right nice
[00:33:55] This is the Ginny that I kind of pictured but most of the time I feel like she's just like
[00:33:59] Standing there arms at her side
[00:34:01] How do you have a blank face
[00:34:03] Yeah, just like she didn't have that energy and that vibrance the confidence that she always had in the books
[00:34:08] I was interpreting Molly. You guys are probably bring up the biggest
[00:34:16] Yeah, he thinks it was a toy
[00:34:28] Okay, so movie Ginny is the worst
[00:34:32] everyone universally hates her because
[00:34:35] universally hate yeah, there's not a single person that I know and the Harry Potter community who thinks Bonnie
[00:34:41] Wright did a great job as Ginny. Oh, they that they'll chalk it up to a few different things. They don't like so
[00:34:48] this movie I
[00:34:50] Think Bonnie Wright could have done Ginny really well if she was given better lines
[00:34:53] Cuz like one of her lines is like they're at the borough and she's in like her bathrobe
[00:34:59] And she just looks at Harry who's walking up the stairs and goes
[00:35:03] Shoelace and then ties his shoe. You're like, what is she supposed to do with a directing a direction like that?
[00:35:09] Like what is going on right before the burrow bursts on fire. She's tying her
[00:35:15] It's so terrible. But um
[00:35:19] like the one scene that I loved of her for her she's at
[00:35:23] In Quidditch and Harry's trying to get everyone's attention and she just goes shut it I'm like that's kind of like
[00:35:30] So I kind of like that so Bonnie Wright did great in that but
[00:35:35] That's why I feel like they just didn't have give her an opportunity
[00:35:38] Maybe she could have I think she could have done it at the same point
[00:35:41] I think she was very unconfident in the first movie which she nailed Ginny in like the second movie where she's like
[00:35:47] Nervous kid around Harry and terrified. Yeah, and I think there were maybe hoping she grew into like more confidence
[00:35:52] but as a child actor, you kind of get a hope and
[00:35:54] Right, right. I think she necessarily grew into that enough
[00:35:58] But they weren't doing her any favors with the lines
[00:36:03] They were just like, okay, you're Harry's crush now instead of being like no
[00:36:07] You're actually like this confident girl that everyone
[00:36:10] like is looking at and all the guys like you because you're you know, like listing all the
[00:36:16] I think it as good as the movie was and the production quality and everything
[00:36:21] I'm thinking of when you pointed out the
[00:36:26] Was the the Patel sisters
[00:36:28] Where they in that one scene of an earlier movie they give each other that look where you just you know
[00:36:36] There's a lot happening in this scene
[00:36:38] Yeah, even beyond what you're picking up in a first time watch but in this movie it felt more like
[00:36:44] Cinematic and theatrical agree in that there was less of that where a lot of times it felt like
[00:36:50] Ginny in particular
[00:36:52] Was just kind of standing there and I found myself literally noticing it because it was bothering me and I'm like
[00:36:57] This is where it didn't it didn't feel good
[00:37:01] They weren't giving her like little things like saying hey do this or in this scene
[00:37:06] We you're in the background
[00:37:07] You wouldn't even think but do this sassy thing or this one thing or you know
[00:37:11] Be playing around with the people around you be the life of the party, even if you're in the corner
[00:37:16] So I think it just took away a certain energy. Yeah, maybe to give focus to Harry
[00:37:20] But still there's certain things that you can do in the background to like even like something like a small as a wink at Harry
[00:37:26] Or something like that, you know
[00:37:27] so I'm basically like that just shows confidence like Ginny is so self-confident and
[00:37:31] She like brings out on other people too
[00:37:33] So I'm like she could have been and she's such a mainstay in this book too
[00:37:38] Whereas in the movies you just don't get it. She's just like, you know some no
[00:37:43] Yeah, the lines so you talking up to both things the lines and the acting and you know
[00:37:48] The direction that she was giving they tried to give her line. Yeah
[00:37:53] Everyone everyone says that the girl that Harry was trying to go on a date with in the beginning of the movie
[00:37:58] It should have been the one that Harry ended up with because everyone's like she was you know, 10 out of 10
[00:38:02] Oh my goodness. You're totally right
[00:38:04] and then
[00:38:06] Dumbledore doesn't let him Harry go back on that date. What a great example. She had more hot tamale energy than the OG hot tamale
[00:38:15] Wow, you're right. That's unfortunate. I know
[00:38:19] Hmm, I know so that's why I like
[00:38:23] Roughing this one, but she's good in Quidditch and I really liked general look of Quidditch in this movie, too
[00:38:28] Like I think they do a really good job of portraying Quidditch
[00:38:31] Like even their shoulder pads that they have the uniforms that they have like how Quidditch
[00:38:35] Like the camera motions that they had for the Quidditch games
[00:38:38] Ron like saving all the stuff like the crime
[00:38:42] or Mac and Ron
[00:38:45] Lots of Quidditch in this movie. So I love that a lot of people a lot of other people don't love it
[00:38:49] But it didn't feel like too much to me
[00:38:52] Did it to you because you don't like Quidditch? I don't but it still didn't feel over. It was pretty good
[00:38:58] Hmm like enough it was just enough. It was like, you know, they're not showing a full game, but it was like, yep
[00:39:04] and Hermione
[00:39:06] Helping him out. Yeah. Mm-hmm the nerves I
[00:39:10] Like when he like tricked her on to yeah, it was great
[00:39:14] Great scene lucky Felix Felicis liquid luck. Yeah
[00:39:20] yeah, you're right because it was great too because
[00:39:23] Ron acted really well in a scene like again Rupert Grint is my favorite of the whole trio for their acting
[00:39:28] I think he does so good in that scene when he's like, you know
[00:39:32] cheering on the crowd and like getting everyone into it with Weasley as our king and
[00:39:36] So that stuff is so good. So I really love Quidditch
[00:39:40] I was thrilled they got rid of the Grop chapter because I really hate the Grop chapter, but it is
[00:39:47] Or no Grop the Grop chapter isn't in this one. Sorry a complete error on that one
[00:39:51] complete error on my part
[00:39:55] This is a
[00:39:59] What did that what did they make me next from this I had it in my mind before I forgot
[00:40:05] Well
[00:40:07] I'm trying to think of where this would have started. What was it? It was a
[00:40:13] No, I'm thinking of I'm thinking of all the Quidditch moments in book five. I was gonna say
[00:40:18] When
[00:40:21] Fred and George or Fred and
[00:40:24] Harry were banned from Quidditch. That's not this movie either. That's a previous one. So I'm thinking of all the previous Quidditch movies
[00:40:31] but it is
[00:40:34] The beginning of this where in book six we didn't know where
[00:40:41] Hagrid was right wasn't he doing all of that stuff with the Giants and Eminem and
[00:40:48] Because it wasn't at the end of book five. Oh, so that was the beginning of five so he was gone. Yeah
[00:40:55] okay, so he
[00:40:56] When did he get Grop?
[00:40:58] That's what I'm trying to place when you said that
[00:41:00] And the middle of five that the whole Grop chapter was five and then this is not the one where Ron
[00:41:05] finally has a good game in Quidditch, which is book five and
[00:41:10] Harry and Hermione aren't even there. Oh
[00:41:13] Yes, and they come back and they find out that like Ron is Ron's done great
[00:41:19] But the when they when they when Harry
[00:41:22] Fools Ron into thinking like he's a great Quidditch player. That's yeah, that's sick
[00:41:27] It would have been nice to see like them, you know win the Quidditch Cup or something like that
[00:41:30] but you know, that's okay they can kind of skip that for the movie's sake but
[00:41:36] Yeah, what else what else do you guys like in this this movie versus not like um, I thought
[00:41:44] when
[00:41:45] the whole mystery of the the half-blood Prince was I
[00:41:52] Felt like there was a great energy. Yeah, and when he was using
[00:41:58] Septims
[00:41:59] Septim Septim Sempra
[00:42:03] That I felt like was the right balance could have been a little more bloody
[00:42:07] That's how I pictured it
[00:42:08] But it would have almost been too much if it was I felt like it was the right balance of
[00:42:15] actually from Harry's perspective being like scared and
[00:42:20] That scene the I felt like it had the right tension of feeling bad for Malfoy
[00:42:26] But also not liking him but then ending with feeling bad for him again and just like so many weird emotions
[00:42:31] I was like, oh yikes. I
[00:42:35] Don't know I feel like a lot of those little things
[00:42:37] Were pretty good
[00:42:39] Yeah, I'm kind of with you on that. I think they did did some small things really well and some small things
[00:42:44] You know not so well
[00:42:45] But the one scene where so this is one of the ones that I like there in this specific scene when he curses
[00:42:52] Draco there's great things in the scene and there's things I hate
[00:42:56] Like thing great things are like the curse itself
[00:43:00] When he like splays it and then Drake goes or yeah, his acting in this whole scene is good when he's like in the water
[00:43:07] The only issue which is like, you know small issues
[00:43:09] Snape just kind of comes wandering in which I kind of like that kind of makes sense to me a little bit rather than like
[00:43:14] He carries running throughout the hallways and the same just kind of kind of like, you know comes in
[00:43:19] And then there's one part where they changed it from the books significantly where?
[00:43:24] Snape says go get your all your school books cuz Snape like knows at that point in the movies
[00:43:29] He kind of gets it because he kind of looks at Harry like how did you know this spell like what's going on here?
[00:43:34] I liked how Snape like
[00:43:36] He had to do this like sing-song II thing to get like the blood and heal him
[00:43:40] That was kind of in the movies, which I thought was good. Yeah, but then the worst is
[00:43:45] When they have to just go hide the book. I know that was so bad. It was terrible that whole scene
[00:43:50] It was terrible that whole scene I hate brings him so Cheney brings them
[00:43:56] Next to the diadem, which is how they found out there's a horcrux there
[00:43:59] So they don't hide it there and then you know
[00:44:03] There's all sorts of like hidden in you windows in there
[00:44:05] What Cheney's like I can hide up here too if you'd like and I do like the part at the next scene where Ron comes
[00:44:10] And he's like, well, did you do it then?
[00:44:14] There's good comedic elements for this but
[00:44:17] Though the whole thing just doesn't hold together that whole scene doesn't hold together. Yeah
[00:44:23] So, I think maybe just as a movie but I liked
[00:44:32] Draco doing those things with the vanishing cabinet. Yeah for sure
[00:44:35] I felt like it it it set the scene much more and it still didn't give anything away
[00:44:41] It was still mysterious and wondering like what is going on? What is this being used for?
[00:44:46] Compared to the books where we understood but it all happened so fast
[00:44:52] But I understand why they had to do it differently in the books versus movies
[00:44:55] But for a movie that's so quick and fast-paced you don't have time to really think it through
[00:45:00] You don't even understand all the implications
[00:45:03] It just kind of clicks slowly as the Apple has a bite and you're like, what's that mean?
[00:45:07] And then the bird and so I feel like that was a good way to draw people in and each time
[00:45:12] I was like more and more tense. Yeah, so I thought that was pretty good. I'm actually with you
[00:45:16] I think that was great. And I think
[00:45:19] Tom Felton's acting in this movie is maybe his best
[00:45:22] Hmm, but I wish they give him more because in the books, you know
[00:45:25] He's devolving so much that he's taking consolation to moaning Myrtle
[00:45:29] You don't get the movies which is fine, but all his acting is really good still. He looks miserable
[00:45:34] He looks like he's like going crazier and crazier every scene that he's in. He's like even the angry at Snape
[00:45:39] He's like going he's not going nuts and I think he played that really well it really well in this movie. So I kind of love
[00:45:45] Yeah
[00:45:47] Interesting too, yeah with Dumbledore like he's like I have no choice, you know, like the when Dumbledore is like
[00:45:54] change and he's like
[00:45:56] Yeah, it's either me or you or something. Yep. I
[00:46:00] didn't like
[00:46:02] How Harry was free and not held back
[00:46:07] But there was a weird thing that I kind of I didn't mind that Draco disarmed Dumbledore like that
[00:46:16] But I go back and forth because earlier this week I was mad about it
[00:46:20] but in this moment right now, I'm like, I don't mind it because it almost felt like
[00:46:25] I'm telling myself Dumbledore is like laying down his weapon
[00:46:29] Yeah, it was much more intentional where in the book. I read it more like
[00:46:34] He was busy protecting Harry and so he didn't have time to defend himself
[00:46:39] But this felt more like a willing his arm was at his side
[00:46:42] He saw Draco and was like, you know kind of letting it happen. It still felt strange
[00:46:49] Like I don't know why he would do that
[00:46:52] but
[00:46:53] from the perspective of book six, I
[00:46:57] Feel like it was still okay, right? I was like, okay
[00:47:00] That's the like way they were going with this story it was like showing the cards
[00:47:06] Yeah of like she Dumbledore is sacrificing himself Snape is on Dumbledore side like all these things
[00:47:14] were that's why they were leaning into the
[00:47:18] So yeah, like yeah, I kind of get what you're saying. There's
[00:47:23] The the one thing that I maybe have a qualm with a little bit
[00:47:26] I mean, I have lots of qualms for this scene. But uh is if that's the case then Dumbledore essentially is like
[00:47:36] Rethinking his plan and being like, okay now I can like he's offering then Draco up as bait which he doesn't in the books
[00:47:43] That's why I like that Draco kind of best him because not because he can best him
[00:47:47] But because Dumbledore is literally protecting Harry so protection is his first thing
[00:47:51] Yep, and then Draco is able to sneak curse in there and in Dumbledore's dying moment. Maybe he's going crap
[00:47:57] I like him leading Draco to the slaughter here rather than Dumbledore having his wand in his hand and Draco
[00:48:03] Just disarming him easily like that
[00:48:04] You're like maybe Dumbledore wanted him to do that and he's like, oh maybe like another layer
[00:48:09] It's an elder wand thing that he needs so Dumbledore seems a little more maniacal when he's doing that. Yeah
[00:48:14] Yeah, yeah
[00:48:16] but that whole scene is just a little disturbing to me because I think it changes so many of the characters so
[00:48:22] Wrongly like the Harry where they change his character where he's not
[00:48:26] Like petrified under the my view of Dumbledore like movie Dumbledore is a different person to me
[00:48:33] Like I can't connect them. Um a lot of other characters I can connect but Dumbledore he just feels so different
[00:48:42] It is very hard to connect and
[00:48:44] I'm getting annoyed at that thing again because Dumbledore in my mind was so weak by the time we get back
[00:48:50] He's like on the floor like barely standing right? And so in the movie
[00:48:55] He just looks so composed and he's in there just like walking around. I'm like
[00:48:59] This is not how it should be
[00:49:02] Because then again, I'm like, how is Draco able to do this? How is this a good plan?
[00:49:06] Yeah, and the dialogue in the books is so perfect because there's certain scenes where Draco is like
[00:49:12] You're at my like mercy now and then Dumbledore's like oh no
[00:49:15] It's my mercy that matters now like there's lines in the books that you're like, why did they skip those?
[00:49:20] But I will say again to the credit of Tom Felton
[00:49:23] he carries this whole scene because it is like emotion in the scene because of how how he like portrays his grief and like his
[00:49:30] conflicted minds
[00:49:32] Like it's I think he does so well in the scene which is why I don't I hate the scene
[00:49:37] But I don't hate it as much as I could fair. Yeah, right Tom Felton does so well in
[00:49:43] Yeah
[00:49:44] Because I think he just does phenomenally in
[00:49:47] In how anguished he is about this whole thing
[00:49:53] So, I really love that I thought that was great but then we even mentioned we had confusion when we were watching but the
[00:49:58] Bella Bellatrix wasn't there in the books
[00:50:02] And she was there in the movies, which is a little bit more cynical or maniacal I think
[00:50:08] How did she leave on the movie?
[00:50:10] She how did the Death Eaters leave once they killed I just look what they ran out
[00:50:16] Yeah, like but that was also weird too because in the books it was a lot more like battle
[00:50:23] It felt like like Harry's like jumping over people and stuff
[00:50:26] But this happened very quick it felt like it was like they just cut to like outside
[00:50:32] I don't remember if they even had anything running through the castle
[00:50:36] But that again is weird in my own mind
[00:50:40] Bellatrix would have done things differently or like I
[00:50:44] Don't know
[00:50:44] It just it felt weird that she was there for whatever reason changes the energy
[00:50:48] And like I felt like Snape was the one who controlled the room and everyone else like in the book
[00:50:54] Everyone else was like cowering like scared of Dumbledore still and Snape like took control
[00:50:59] But in this it didn't quite have that same energy for some reason. Yeah, so I
[00:51:05] Think that's a great point too. I think maybe they did it in the movie because Snape and
[00:51:11] Bellatrix are so different
[00:51:12] So maybe they're just trying to show the difference between the two or like Bellatrix is literally
[00:51:16] Having a dance party on the tables
[00:51:18] like kicking over cups and like ecstatic and Snape's like this is not like this is serious, but
[00:51:23] I don't know. I don't necessarily love that that change that much. I'm kind of with you, but um
[00:51:30] the
[00:51:31] the Snape reveal I
[00:51:34] Think it just kind of fell flat for me
[00:51:36] Because they missed all the dialogue again like the the last
[00:51:40] when they came back from the cave
[00:51:42] Like the movie just they deviated so much from like the perfect dialogue of the book that it just kind of crushed me
[00:51:49] Especially the Snape reveal where he's like, you know
[00:51:51] Prince because he has a line where he's like don't call me coward and you're like
[00:51:55] What the heck is going on in the books? You're like, why is he like, you know, why is he saying this?
[00:52:00] Why is he saying that don't call me coward?
[00:52:01] So you're thinking about that more and then like the whole reveal and the books is just so perfect and in the movies
[00:52:07] It's just you know
[00:52:08] Not quite there. Hmm
[00:52:12] But I don't think they did it terribly but you know, it's just okay for me. Yeah, they made like clear choices
[00:52:20] Yeah, and some of them just weren't the right ones and I agreed
[00:52:25] Last few what do you guys think of a
[00:52:28] Dumbledore his death and like
[00:52:31] The dark mark and everyone holding up their wands all that kind of oh
[00:52:36] He's now like a funeral. Yeah
[00:52:39] Holding up the wands. I thought was
[00:52:41] Was pretty good. It still felt a little strange. I don't think we've seen that before
[00:52:47] I would have liked if it was like calling back to something even from like even if it was from the same movie, I
[00:52:55] It feels a little better
[00:52:57] Yeah, where I'm like
[00:52:58] If you're gonna do something like that at least have a line in a previous movie where they say
[00:53:04] Oh, that's how you respect whatever or like in in some other form. We see it. So it just felt
[00:53:10] it felt good, but it
[00:53:12] It's like a feel-good scene, you know why they're adding it because they want to make you cry
[00:53:16] Yeah, you know, it's just good emotion. You know the music kicks in
[00:53:20] gets ya, but I think
[00:53:24] I'm curious what it would be like to just watch the movies and have that all happen
[00:53:30] Having no idea like from the books because it was like sad and it was powerful
[00:53:36] But in the books, I feel like it went on longer maybe because it was fresh to me
[00:53:40] But then the funeral and like I don't know and Hagrid and like the whole thing it felt like there was just a lot more to
[00:53:47] that morning
[00:53:49] That was maybe missed it was somber though. And then even even the end. They're just the glimmer of hope with the
[00:53:56] Wait, was the Sun setting?
[00:54:01] But yeah, it's uh, I
[00:54:04] Don't know it was it was somber but
[00:54:07] Not as sad as the
[00:54:11] Yeah, like it or summer it felt like they were still trying to have like it end with a little like
[00:54:16] Not sadness and I'm like no, I think it's supposed to end and it is sadness and wait for book seven or movie seven
[00:54:24] Yeah
[00:54:26] Yeah, I feel like they kind of just missed it like the cave
[00:54:29] I think the the two scenes really right before the cave I think are my two favorites where
[00:54:34] Slughorn gives off the memory. I think that scene is perfect like legitimately perfect and then the cave which I think is
[00:54:43] 95% I'm happy with there's like a few small things that I'm like, you know
[00:54:46] They could have changed this made it better in the books give better lines, but 95% of that
[00:54:51] I'm happy with after that. I'm like, it's so up and down mostly down
[00:54:56] I'm like, there's so many changes that I just don't like especially after Dumbledore dies
[00:55:00] You're I think your point is great because you kind of sit in the grief a little bit
[00:55:05] You have you almost have time to process through that
[00:55:08] not like
[00:55:10] Massively, but like, you know, he goes to the funeral Harry like has this meeting with Ginny like, you know
[00:55:15] They can't date because of some noble reasons, you know, he says all that and then
[00:55:20] You have more time in the books in the movies
[00:55:22] It's just like it ends and then then they're on like top of this tower and they're just like having a conversation
[00:55:27] And it's like nothing like how the books really should be or how the books kind of portrayed it
[00:55:32] So I wasn't the biggest fan of that
[00:55:35] Yeah
[00:55:38] Well, but again, it could just be longer if you want to end with hope that's fine
[00:55:41] But still give some grieving time in there and then do a little like
[00:55:46] Just stick with like a Lord of the Rings format. Just make each movie like three and a half hours and then four
[00:55:51] But
[00:55:53] That's why the show is possible, yeah, I know because I
[00:55:57] Think anyone who read the books can look at these movies and realize how much was skipped
[00:56:03] So it opened the door to the show agreed
[00:56:07] Which is gonna be pretty sweet. Yeah, I'm pretty pumped for it. So we'll see if it's good or not
[00:56:12] Well, I watched one of your videos John that you made about who should play more
[00:56:16] Yeah some curveballs in there
[00:56:18] But you know what when I started watching it the first person that came to mind was one of the Scars guard brothers the guy
[00:56:24] Who did it?
[00:56:25] Yeah, I forget which one he is
[00:56:27] So then when you mentioned him, I was like, yep
[00:56:30] But you had some some good ones in there. Who do we ultimately pick as well?
[00:56:35] One of the ones you said was that is the only one I like really remember is
[00:56:41] Rafe finds brother brother. I think that's the guy we picked is was he like the final thing?
[00:56:46] Yeah, and I was like, whoa, that's cool. That'd be really cool
[00:56:52] But all like the things you were saying I was like, oh I could totally see it
[00:56:56] There were like a lot of good ones in there
[00:56:57] We did the Dumbledore the Dumbledore one was the most fun because I'm so convinced that I forgot his name
[00:57:04] But he's the Game of Thrones
[00:57:06] Jorah Mormont Jorah Mormont. I think he needs to play Dumbledore
[00:57:09] I'm so convinced of that like I want to like write to the writers
[00:57:13] And be like, please cast this man as Dumbledore because I think he would be so perfect as him
[00:57:22] Any any last points about the movie before we kind of just hit on some of our favorite and least favorite parts of it
[00:57:27] We'll just talk about
[00:57:29] Hot tamale and who won this movie and best actor
[00:57:40] Yeah, there's a lot of ups and downs in this one but yeah
[00:57:44] Like the scenes you were saying I like yeah to
[00:57:47] That Lily scene was good. Yeah agreed. Is it just that scene just adds
[00:57:54] Like extra backstory to Lily that I love
[00:57:58] like not only was she a good student she was like
[00:58:01] exceedingly kind to like a professor like
[00:58:04] What when am I ever in my life gonna give like a professor a gift like that and like Lily is so thoughtful that she's
[00:58:10] Doing that I'm like so much extra story to that so good
[00:58:15] So
[00:58:17] Well, they had to bring in something about the family
[00:58:22] But I just I love it so much more when they don't tell you they show you yeah, you know what I mean
[00:58:28] It's just like telling the story like that shows the things about her character. So I was like, oh, it's great
[00:58:34] Yeah, cuz that was yeah
[00:58:36] that was my point in a
[00:58:38] Someone was making fun of me for this because that was my point in this
[00:58:43] Scene it was like if you're gonna yeah, you need to show you can't tell and then someone's like, oh
[00:58:49] But literally Slughorn is telling a story here
[00:58:54] Said tell again, but but it shows
[00:58:57] Lily's character exactly. It shows Lily's character anything that's so vital that you you get that
[00:59:03] Honestly, I thought it was in the book. I know yeah
[00:59:05] That's how it like yeah, I don't know
[00:59:10] So true so who um, who was the who's your guys hot tamale in this movie?
[00:59:20] That waitress like it was there anyone you know what a lab lab was
[00:59:28] Like Hermione kind of at the end she was like, yeah
[00:59:33] You know like kind of showing that way. What was like a moment where it felt like it was she was really given the energy
[00:59:40] Like to Ron at the end in the hospital, which is really kind of like oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was good
[00:59:46] That was good. You're right kind of like
[00:59:50] She's like
[00:59:53] Yeah
[00:59:56] Of all the dumb alert lines I hate this
[00:59:58] I actually kind of like this on one lab lab runs away and the tumble tour looks everyone who goes
[01:00:02] Oh to be young and feel loves Keenest thing
[01:00:11] You know what it's funny
[01:00:16] But I was just laughing well that whole scene I just thought to myself some
[01:00:22] Little child actress who you know is maybe done nothing before
[01:00:27] I don't know anything about her is now like doing these really funny scenes in front of all these powerhouse actors
[01:00:33] Like I'm just watching it felt so funny then Dumbledore gives that line
[01:00:38] She does great, too. Yeah, I actually thought she was good because it was so ridiculous. Yeah
[01:00:45] But yeah, it's good
[01:00:51] And
[01:00:54] Hermione's storyline, yeah. Yeah, they did a good job jumping back and forth between the serious and the playful and
[01:01:01] I'll give my hot smile to Ron for that reason because I think he was he was great in this movie. Yep
[01:01:06] He was kind of fought after
[01:01:09] Really playing with people's emotions kind of an idiot but still you know, so true kind of has a hot smile energy
[01:01:14] Yeah, yeah, you're right
[01:01:16] Or when you could say the burrow for them burning down the burrow. That's a really hot
[01:01:20] Hot
[01:01:22] Weird choice
[01:01:24] What yours I like the Ron one
[01:01:28] Yeah
[01:01:30] Lavender was pretty good. You know that I think they were like you said Hermione
[01:01:34] But I think Ron actually had that energy and it showed on
[01:01:39] Screen a lot of other people, you know, it's like
[01:01:42] Genuinely the waitress at the beginning that like sassy playfulness and that Ron has that a lot of the time
[01:01:47] And in the books we don't give him enough credit because he's not always like but on the screen he pops, you know
[01:01:55] True who what was your favorite moment in the movie? I
[01:02:02] Mean I'm gonna be boring and say like the Lily
[01:02:05] Storytelling moment is definitely my favorite. I can't get over that one. I think it's so perfect
[01:02:09] That was pretty good
[01:02:12] You can just steal that one
[01:02:15] What was my favorite
[01:02:26] Yeah, it is tough scene was really interesting too definitely a highlight yeah, that's good
[01:02:37] Well, I feel like it's funny because
[01:02:39] it
[01:02:40] When I think of favorite moment, I think of like things I want to watch again and the cave scene
[01:02:46] Maybe at least the beginning when it's intrigue
[01:02:48] But like a lot of the movie is like still kind of intense. So I don't know about like watching it like again
[01:02:54] for the sake of enjoyment
[01:02:57] But there were a lot of other things that were fun like the
[01:03:01] Slughorn scenes I thought we're all pretty good like his his little party or the scene at the beginning and oh the Felix Felicis
[01:03:08] That was yeah, though. That was a great scene and and Tom Felton in that in that final scene with
[01:03:15] Dumbledore's death. I feel like that was like it's it can't be my favorite moment
[01:03:19] But it just stands out as being like such a big thing. So like powerful
[01:03:24] So it's like I can't say Dumbledore's death is my favorite moment
[01:03:28] But there were just a lot of powerful moments
[01:03:31] So yeah, Tom Felton had a certain energy and Slughorn had a lot of energy hard to pick one though
[01:03:35] Yeah, for sure is some good moments in this movie people say it's terrible, but there's there's some good moments
[01:03:42] And then the final one who is your favorite character or who do you think wins a house cut for this movie?
[01:03:48] You know what? I'm gonna give it to Slughorn. Yeah
[01:04:00] It just it was just good. He was fantastic in this movie. Yeah. Yeah, I
[01:04:05] Think Hermione played like compared to yeah
[01:04:10] Yeah
[01:04:13] I
[01:04:17] Think I just think that she progressed as an actress too because I was like
[01:04:22] oh, she's she seems to be playing the character better like she was
[01:04:26] jealous of Harry in the classroom then she was jealous of Ron and
[01:04:32] Wab Wab
[01:04:33] And she like was able to like display that pretty well and always in the back
[01:04:38] I don't know. She was always like the background so she wasn't like a main character, but you could tell
[01:04:44] That things were affecting her
[01:04:49] You forget about her very quickly
[01:04:53] Background character. Hmm
[01:04:56] Yeah, that's a great point. I
[01:04:58] Agree with the first one, but this would be another hmm. Yeah, I think Hermione did do really well in this movie
[01:05:05] It's just it's still a little sad because
[01:05:08] This should be Dumbledore. You know what? I mean? I know like if a different
[01:05:15] Person and it would be a Dumbledore hands-down, you know what I mean?
[01:05:19] Right, this is the movie that should be a no-brainer like Dumbledore stole the whole movie, you know
[01:05:36] I know
[01:05:40] Yep, but then it's like you're watching like that's not him
[01:05:43] I mean, you know what it also stinks because of the way it ended I in the books
[01:05:48] I still was like a little annoyed at Dumbledore by the end
[01:05:52] Because of Harry's thing in his head that I'm like, I still think it was just in his head
[01:05:56] And then I feel like I need to go back and see some of those great moments where Dumbledore you see the love
[01:06:03] Yeah, but then to go back and watch this I'm like, yeah, you're right he doesn't care about Harry at all
[01:06:06] Okay, it doesn't feel like it and I'm like
[01:06:09] So it's feeding into the end of the book exactly. It's like all this in here
[01:06:13] And so I'm like no
[01:06:14] You know what?
[01:06:15] If he was being played different like if I went back and read some of the other parts of the books
[01:06:18] I'd be reminded of the love that is so clear
[01:06:23] But movie six does not remind you of the love
[01:06:26] Yeah, no, it's all because of
[01:06:29] Not letting Voldemort see his compassion. Yeah, I know
[01:06:35] It's dumb. That's not real. Oh dumb. Yeah
[01:06:39] Well, thanks for joining us on this journey of Harry Potter and the first-time readers
[01:06:44] We're done with their first time reading or just on the movie. So yeah, it's pretty great. I know
[01:06:49] First half of seven coming up next week coming up soon
[01:06:53] Okay, thanks for thanks for tuning in we'll see you guys later
[01:07:17] Bye that's what I said. Do I say it all the time? Bye guys. You made it
[01:07:28] You're getting a little drowsy in there
[01:07:34] You should sleep in today