Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince: Ch 9-12

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to the podcast. I'm Lizzie. And I'm Jon. And this is Harry Potter and the Second Time Reader. Which is me. Which is Lizzie. I am a second time reader. And we should do one where the 15th reader. This is Jon and just me. And this is Harry Potter and the 15th time reader. You can just say everything that you've been keeping in. I know. I know, it'd be great. Have you how many times you've actually read it?

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I read it on a physical copy probably less than 10. Like I probably read it all the way through. Like six or seven times. And then listen to it. Listen to it. 40? Nah, not 40. I mean like a lot. It's just always been on. So like when we were doing like a road trip when I was a kid, it was always on. Or like anytime I was I even now that I do a road trip, I always have it on because it just passes the time so quick and it's just like

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, it's like you're back. I used to do that when we were kids. And then we would do like the I think it was like movies on tape or something. Yeah. Where like had all the sound effects. Yeah. Yeah. I just remember there being a Narnia one. And it was like rushing water and then it had made me have to pee. And then we had to pull over and stop because I was like we can't listen to rushing water on a road trip. That's actually great. Um. Yeah. I've never audiobook

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: booked it. Are you not an audiobook person? No. Just a reader. Love me a good audiobook. A good reader? Oh my gosh. Yeah. I just haven't dabbled. I feel like I would like it. But. Depends on who. If there's a good reader or not. So. Anyway, we are doing chapters 9 to 12 today. Um. So. There's some fun little discussions in here. Some dating.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Some. Yeah. Why is everyone falling in love? That's a great question. Why? I had that thought and then immediately like the tide turned into something very different in chapter 12. But it was just like, yeah, why is everyone falling in love? Wait, what did the tide turn to? Because then that girl goes flying up in the air. Yeah. She almost dies. Yeah. Poor Katie Belt. Like my notes for this went from literally why is everyone falling in love? And then it was like, what is happening?

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Forgot about it. Forgot about it. But yeah, Hermione and Ron. Yeah. I think they like each other, but they're like not recognizing that fact out loud.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Um. They're in like a little phase of jealousy. But I don't know. And then Harry likes Ginny. Yeah. Then Ginny and Dean are together. Yeah. And then everyone likes Harry.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Because he's the chosen one now. And he has like a much better name for himself. And then at the beginning of the chapter, you get a line that says Hermione's remonstration is drowned by a loud giggle.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Lavender Brown had apparently found Ron's remarks. Highly amusing. Oh, yeah.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_05]: She continued to laugh. She passed them, glancing back at Ron over her shoulder. Ron looks rather pleased with himself.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. That's good. Ron needs that.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He needs some experience. He needs a little boost, yeah. Hermione, though, doesn't really have anybody, right? No. She had that other guy from another school. Yeah, she had like the LeBron James of the Quidditch world of the Wizarding World. LeBron James. LeBron James of the Wizarding World.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is good. She should, if anyone brings up her love life, she could just be like, look. Yeah. Look who I've ever been.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I dated Victor Crumb. Like, get on my level right now.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess she wants Ron. I don't know. Does she? Do you think that they'd be a good couple?

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just like an old married couple already. So I don't even know where the like crush is laying in that.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know. They definitely are like jealous when other people give them attention.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like gives the other person attention. But. Yeah.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. I don't know if they understand why or they're just like fighting for attention.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But they're literally like the closest to each other out of everyone in the book.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like you can't even get closer to Ron.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's no other girl that's going to like walk into the trio.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And going to be closer. Because I feel like Ron would just neglect that.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Or reject it. And I think Harry would too.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_05]: What about like, I mean, someone like Lavender?

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. Is Lavender nice?

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to make those assumptions in your run. I'm not going to tell you the character is nice or not.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_05]: But I haven't been paying attention to her story the whole time.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. She's not in the story a lot. She's like in a few small little details.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_05]: She's one of the girls in their year for Gryffindor.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Was she on the Quidditch team?

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_05]: No. She was on the Quidditch team. She's someone who really likes Professor Trelawney.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_05]: She's one of the weird people who really like loves and thinks that what she's doing is great.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_05]: So she's an astrology girl. She is 100% an astrology girl.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: What's their zodiac signs?

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You can probably figure it out. They probably have that.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: When's Ron's birthday?

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: They probably have all their birthdays down somewhere.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. I have nothing against her.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Ron and her could date and that'd be fine.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it would last very long.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's just because Ron's probably mature.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is an interesting chapter as well because they're having all these crushes and then all of a sudden you're introduced into two other little weird things.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is...

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_05]: The first is Amortentia.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you remember what that is?

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, is it the love potion?

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Your favorite thing?

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_05]: My favorite thing.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_05]: That is crazy.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_05]: My least favorite thing.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It says this...

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, go ahead.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_05]: This left Harry, Ron, and Hermione to share a table with Ernie.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_05]: They chose the one nearest.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_05]: A gold-colored cauldron was emitting one of the most seductive scents Harry had ever inhaled.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Somehow it reminded him simultaneously of a truckle tart, the woody smell of a broomstick candle, and something flowery he thought he might have smelled of the burrow.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_05]: That sound...

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_05]: He found that he was breathing very slowly and deeply and the potion's fumes seemed to be filling him like drink.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_05]: A great contentment stole over him.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_05]: He grinned across at Ron, who grinned lazily back.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, who was smelling that?

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That was Harry?

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_05]: That was Harry, and then one of the next sentences is this.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It's supposed to smell differently to each of us according to what attracts us.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I can smell freshly mown grass and new parchment, and...

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_05]: She turned slightly pink and did not complete the sentence.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think Hermione smells?

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever Ron smells like.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think Ron smells like?

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the more interesting question.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: A little dirt.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess Harry's smelling Ginny's perfume or Fleur's perfume.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Ooh.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Because for a second I thought you were reading it and it was Ron, and I was like, oh, that has to be Fleur.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But now that it's Harry, I guess it's Ginny.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It could be.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe he has a thing for Fleur that we don't know.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, doesn't everyone?

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: She's a V-love, basically.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you can't not.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_05]: You look at her and you're like, oh, well, okay.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think of Amortentia, though?

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I can see how it'd be as sinister as you think it is, but I can also see how it'd be kind of innocent.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_05]: How would it be innocent?

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it wears off.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I will debate this with you.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Does it wear off?

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it does because...

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_05]: What happens if you continually give that to someone?

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't they, like, die or something?

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: They, like, get in a terrible state.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_05]: They wouldn't get in a terrible...

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe they'd get in a terrible state, but if you continually give that to someone, then they're never going to get off of a love potion.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think, like, in my mind, if I could give it to someone, and then, like, we go out, and then they'll somehow have, like, a memory of that date being really great.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, like, they won't have the love potion.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But, like, I'll have convinced them in real life that it was, like, I'm that great.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I cannot wait until we keep reading this book.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm hoping.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I give it to someone once.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it just clicks that, like, I'm the good thing.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Because later, I guess, yes, I can say all the chapters, right?

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So later, that weird girl gives it to Tom Riddle or, like, somebody.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, wait.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, yeah.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_05]: So we're there, right?

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That's, like, in chapter...

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the first memory.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the House of Gaunt, correct?

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that was 11, maybe?

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But that, like, wore off.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, if it wears off, like, maybe...

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And do you remember what the question that Dumbledore and Harry talked about when...

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_05]: They talked about your exact point where Dumbledore was like,

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I have a guess that she took him off the potion because she didn't think it was that romantic.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And she thought he would love him.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Love her.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But then he just got it from less.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She probably just did too much, you know?

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You're indifferent.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_05]: You're not like other girls.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because maybe it's like, if you do a little bit, they'll just be, like, more optimistic, you know?

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Have, like, a little more openness.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I equate this to something like, you can...

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It's no problem to take this if there's two consenting adults and it's like, you know,

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: you want to have a fun night?

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Boost the mood.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Have just a good night.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Boost the mood a little bit.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_05]: But for one non-consenting person and the other consenting person, I think it's very akin to some kind of rape.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you think once it wears off, there's, like, no memory of what happened?

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_05]: There might be some memory of what happened, but I think it's a hazy memory.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's like...

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so even to this point, if there was a memory of what happened, the other person might be even more disgusted with that memory.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, if someone you have no feeling for who you think is, like, you know, not a great person, all of a sudden slips you some love potion.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they go on a date and you're, like, in euphoria and then all of a sudden it wears off and you realize what the person's done.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It would probably make you hate the person a little bit more than be like, oh, but really, they're great.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, I think we had a great date together, so maybe I'll give them a shot.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But what if the person kind of likes you in the beginning?

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that less...

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't think that's less at all.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I think it's, again, I really think this is removing someone's free will for love.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't think it's love at all.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you're convincing.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's...

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Legitimately, I will try to convince everyone of this because I think it's one of the darkest things in this whole book.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Horace Slughorn has some really, really interesting lines.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And maybe my favorite in this entire series...

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you've said that before.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, because of some stuff that I've had to go through in my life.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It says, Amartenshiot doesn't really create love, of course.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: It is impossible to manufacture or imitate love.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_05]: No, this will simply cause powerful infatuation or obsession.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It is probably the most dangerous and powerful potion in this room.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yes.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: He said, nodding gravely at Malfoy and Knot, both of whom were smirking skeptically.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: When you have seen as much of life as I have, you will not underestimate the power of obsessive love.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's crazy because you know how many other dangerous potions he has in the room?

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: He has freaking draft of living death that they're going to make.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_05]: He has Felix Felicis.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_05]: He has, you know, the Polyjuice potion.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_05]: He's got dangerous potions in that room.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's thinking this is the most dangerous.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought of you when I read that.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you've even, like, you've said it before about how you think this is the most dangerous.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, I see your point.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's not.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_05]: There's, I don't think there's any innocence involved in this unless it is two married people.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Or two people in a really healthy relationship that just want to, like, have a really good time.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the ecstasy of, you know, the normal world.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_05]: You just both take a pill and you're, like, you know, having a great time.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think in any other application, it is reprehensible and a disgusting thing.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Glad I convinced you.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think of liquid luck on the other hand?

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was crazy.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah?

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I want some of that.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I know, right?

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's real.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can just change your whole outcome for the day or take it on, like, some really pivotal, like, day.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Or whatever's happening in your life.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it'd be sick.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And there seems like there's not downsides, like, if you take the right amount.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And he knows the dosage, too.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's, like, responsibly taking it.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that was really weird when he was, like, I've taken it only on two days.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It is surprising.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm, like, I would have, if I was a potions master, maybe taken it a little bit more often.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, maybe you, like, have a whole vial and, like, you save, like, one a month or something like that.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_05]: You have one perfect day a month.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that's not overusing it.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think they would ban it for the OWLs?

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Could they, like, test you?

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's illegal.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Slughorn.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Slughorn.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_05]: It feels like a drug.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It really does.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they would ban it.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: They ban it for, like, any international sporting events.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, the Quidditch World Cup, you obviously can't take it.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: They probably have to monitor it.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_05]: It's used pretty strictly.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: But, yeah, I don't know.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Part of me, if I, like, if I took it, part of me would want to take it just on, like, a random day.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, with nothing planned.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Be like, I just want to have a great day today.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Not like, oh, man, I have to, like, you know, pass this test or, like, you know, have this job interview, so I'm going to take it and make sure I didn't ace it.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And, like, that'd be nice to do that.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: But I'm like, let me just give it a random day where I could just take it and, like, see what happens that day.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Just people start doing random acts of kindness.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That'd be great.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I would take it before a job interview.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Or a test or a date.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's better than Veritas.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Or not Veritas here.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever the love one is.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, amortensia.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Because then you could just actually have, like, good luck.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Agreed.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: For sure.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And then maybe they actually like you out of their own.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Ooh, that's actually a really interesting question.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That's, like, the amortensia, but, like, given to yourself.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it'd be better before a blind date.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Because then you really kind of are betting on luck.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And honestly, I'm actually really curious about the effects of this.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, this is, that's a great point that you raise.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Because if you take liquid luck and maybe, let's say the date goes terribly.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe the liquid luck is saving you from a terrible person or something like that.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Ooh.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like, the outcome is unexpected.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, could it potentially do that?

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's an objective observer.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's, like, not necessarily giving you exactly what you want.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it is to some extent.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_05]: But it, like, you know, evaluates the other person as well.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_05]: That's why, oh, man, I can't wait to get into this discussion later.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Because there's some cool stuff that happened with this potion.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll get into that.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine you take it and then you get stood up.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Ooh, dang.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's, like, that's the luckiest game.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be crazy.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_05]: That would be nuts.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you'd walk away and you'd, like, still feel great.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're, like, I dodged a bullet.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for real.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't even feel bad about having a no-show.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_05]: That's fascinating.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I wonder if it would actually do that.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_05]: The only thing is, he says something like, all your endeavors succeed.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe it is a bit more personalized.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, whatever you kind of want, it gives that to you.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe it is at the detriment of yourself.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_05]: But I like the idea that it's more of, like, an objective observer.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it helps you out with certain things that you need.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you get stood up, but then the waitress writes her number on the check.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You still get a date.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll find a way.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You still get a hot date, yeah.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll make it work.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I love that.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Who is the Half-Blood Prince?

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: This is such a, this is so soon.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's Snape.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Whoa!

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: From what I, I feel like I remember it being Snape.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not going to let you gaslight me.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it was Snape, which makes sense given that it's potions.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_02]: However, it could be, I know Harry already was like, oh, my dad wasn't Half-Blood.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But I kind of see his point in like, oh, maybe we'll just hold out hope.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I need to define, like, what is a Half-Blood?

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: A Pure-Blood is two.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Half-Blood is, a Pure-Blood is like, you only come from wizards.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So there's, wait.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_05]: There's not a lot of Pure-Bloods out there.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's no buddy that's not a wizard in your entire family tree.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_05]: There's squibs in your family tree.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's like wizards only marrying other wizards.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, you cannot marry anyone besides a wizard.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And then a Muggle is the exact, or a Muggle-born is the exact opposite.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Muggle-born is the exact opposite.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So then a Half-Blood or Half-Blood is like what?

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_05]: There's, there's, um, actually like a Muggle-born, I think there's debate on some of this.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she wrote something about this.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_05]: There's always some kind of magic in the family bloodline.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes it goes dormant for a little bit and maybe it like reappears.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So Muggle-borns are like, maybe it's two squibs and they like, you know, got together and had a few kids and generations passed.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And all of a sudden they had another kid and the magic was reignited in that bloodline.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: So it could be potentially something like that.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You know more about genetics than I do.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's like recessive genes and dominant genes.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Because last time I said, when we were talking about this, I said everything wrong.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Because then I went on a deep dive into like Reddit and other stuff looking at this.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just confused because Half, Half, okay, Half-Blood and a Half-Blood is the same thing, right?

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Half-Blood is like a wizard who is just, um, like it could be a girl, uh, like a witch and a Muggle or like a wizard and a Muggle.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It could be like, it's like a Muggle partnered with someone who's not.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So Harry's, that's a, that's a half what?

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Half-Blood.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Half-Blood.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Half-Blood is probably a term you shouldn't be using.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Those are the terms, that's what Dolores Slughorn called the centaurs.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Half-Blood.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like a lesser, she deems people lesser than.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Half-Blood.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it should be the other one because the other one's blood too.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Half-Blood.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that even an option?

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Did I just make that up?

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_05]: No, Half-Blood?

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it'd be easier to just like, remember that if it says blood, don't say it.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I have all these, um, remember that one time I was like, we need to do housekeeping because

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I have like 20 questions.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a whole housekeeping question thing.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is answering some of them.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But, okay, so don't say Half-Blood.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's probably less, uh, it's probably not the correct term.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, it's, you would be more interested to, like, I would actually be more interested in

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_05]: your opinion on this.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And do you think that any creatures that we possess in our world today are Half-Blood?

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Half-Blood's?

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: In our world.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: In our world, yeah.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: In the Harry Potter world?

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_05]: No, in, uh, this human world that we have.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Would you deem any creature, creature, creature as a Half-Blood?

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_05]: It is a little different in the magical world because creatures have a bit more sentience,

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_05]: but would you view any creature in the wizarding world as being a Half-Blood?

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Like what?

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Centaurs.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, why are you viewing them as Half-Blood?

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you viewing them as Half-Blood because Dolores Umbridge called them Half-Blood?

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Because Hagrid probably wouldn't call them Half-Blood.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I would just say a Half-Blood is something that's like a human and a creature or like

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: a beast or being mixed.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So like a giant, I would say is a Half-Blood.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's a, or like Hagrid is a Half-Blood.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he's a wizard and a giant.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And then a centaur.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where the centaurs come from.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess if they're, I'm assuming like-

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think the centaurs would like being called Half-Blood?

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody did something with a horse like a long time ago and then now we got centaurs.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And if that's the case, then I would say they're Half-Blood.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_05]: That's actually fascinating.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that's the case.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they're just magical creatures that have existed.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: If they just spawned out of nowhere like that, then I guess they're not a Half-Blood.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They just are like super human-like.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know many other creatures that are kind of human-y.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Human-ish.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess like Velas, I would say, are not even.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just like not.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just, I don't know.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: What's like the opposite?

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not Half-Blood.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just creatures.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_05]: That's actually fascinating.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Leprechauns.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Leprechauns.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Because like House Elves, you wouldn't really ever call them Half-Blood because they're not.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting why Dolores called them Half-Blood.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe there is.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe if they have magical power, she's saying it's like wasted on them.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Because she kind of sacks Hagrid for that reason, that he is like a Half-Blood.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe she really just doesn't have a vendetta.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And maybe her theory, maybe it's like a debated theory in the wizarding world.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Her theory is that they come from wizards and some wizard got with a horse.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yikes.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It's messed up.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Or some horse got with a witch.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Witch.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Ouch.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Ouch.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So let me write this down.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: A Half-Breed.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I would just say like, in my opinion, I think using the term Half-Breed is a little derogatory.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I would just use like mixed race.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So then.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that's not right.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Is a mixed race the same thing as a Half-Blood?

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Half-Blood only pertains to wizards and witches.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Half-Blood prince has somebody that's a muggle?

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: In his family tree or as one of his parents?

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a great question.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_05]: So what is Harry Potter?

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's full wizard.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Why?

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Because both his parents are wizards.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_05]: What were both of his grandparents?

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Human.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We know that?

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Wizards?

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We do.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's a pureblood.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: We learn this from book two.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is a weird one.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_05]: His dad is a pureblood.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_05]: His dad's pureblood.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_05]: His dad is.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And his mom is muggle-born.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is a weird one because she's like.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So Harry is, I guess.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_05]: He maybe he would be like 75% pureblood and 25% muggle-born.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's not a pureblood because.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So Sirius Black and James Potter are related.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Aren't all like purebloods related?

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Because.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess they're probably some way.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_05]: They're indirectly related.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Like way up the line.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_05]: There's the Sacred 28 and they're all like interrelated in some way.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's a little, a little gross, but.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of inbreeding with the Sacred 28.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying he's a half.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Breed.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Half blood.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Blood.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Harry is a half blood.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_05]: He's not a full blood.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say the majority of the people in the books are half.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Half bloods.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_05]: So who.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_05]: The only purebloods that we really have are Ron.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Um.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_05]: As students.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Ron.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Neville.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Draco.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Crab.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Goyle.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_05]: That might be it.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So was Lily a muggle-born you said?

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Um.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It definitely has to do with lineage.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not just like your parents have to both be wizards.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Somewhere in your lineage.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_05]: If there's a muggle thrown in there somewhere.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Your blood gets dirtied.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And I guess you could start purifying that in some way.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And like.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So then a blood traitor.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Would be a pure blood.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Who.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Who doesn't believe in pure.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Pure blood ideology.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Pure blood ideology is like.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You should only intermarry with pure bloods.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So even if you.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like marry a half blood.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You're a blood traitor.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Kind of.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So why is the Weasleys.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Blood traitors.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Mainly because they're fraternizing with muggle-borns.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And they.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_05]: They think muggle-borns should be given their rights.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So being a pure blood is.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Is.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: A significant part of it is marriage.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But another significant part of it is.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: The ideology that comes with it.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Like you think you're better than other people.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And you think like.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Your family should only marry witches and wizards.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But that doesn't happen in the Weasley family.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_05]: They love.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Like Mr. Weasley is obsessed with like muggle trinkets and inventions.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And he thinks they're so clever.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And he like loves muggles.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Where a normal.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Not a normal.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Like a weird pure blood.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Is.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Is going like.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_05]: We need to eradicate them.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Because they're lesser creatures than us.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So why is Sirius a blood traitor?

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Because he went against his family.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_05]: He ran away from his family.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Who are all pure bloods.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And he.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But did he like marry anyone?

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_05]: He never married anyone.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not necessarily the marrying.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Again.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_05]: He's going against the ideology that pure bloods are better than everyone else.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And like the whole Slytherin thing too.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Because weren't.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They were all like Slytherins.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And like dark.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Sirius wasn't a Slytherin.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So he doesn't go into that house.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's in Gryffindor.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_05]: So probably that's right.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Where it started.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming like Bellatrix.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: They're all Slytherins.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like adding this to my.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: This is confusing.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a lot.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of layers to this stuff.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This was.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This kind of.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I can tie in my second item of housekeeping.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like what if.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Slughorn just has.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: A Mr.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Weasley complex.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Of thinking that.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Muggles are so fascinating.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: When they go to his house.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh like your mom was.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Or I forget who he pulls up.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: She came from muggles.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And like people are thinking that he's.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of insulting.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Because of that.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like doubting the ability.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Mixed.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Bloods.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: For sure.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like what if he just actually genuinely appreciates.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And thinks that humans are like super cool.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And that muggles are cool.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Just saying.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you saying Slughorn is like that?

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Slughorn doesn't have pure blood mania.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I will say that.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Slughorn is a great Slytherin.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_05]: He has.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It's embedded in him in some ways.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_05]: But.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't have this ideology.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_05]: That's like.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Muggle borns are lesser than pure bloods.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like very much on the boat.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_05]: On the boat of.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_05]: If you're a wizard.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And you're at Hogwarts.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_05]: You have the ability to learn.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's just.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Like again.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe not the perfect Slytherin.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's a great representation.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Of what a Slytherin actually looks like though.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_05]: More so attracted to.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Ambition.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And people who are going to be really successful.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Than the ideology of being a pure blood.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that situation.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: When Dumbledore and Harry visited him.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Can be read as him.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Being like.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like doubting.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The abilities.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: For sure.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's what got Harry irritated in the first place.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He was like.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh I don't know about this.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he just.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_05]: He still has it embedded in him.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's why he was like.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_05]: When he says like.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: It's even more impressive.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Considering the fact.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_05]: That she's muggle born.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And then Harry has to defend.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_05]: He still has that idea in him.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_05]: But he's like.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_05]: He.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He really truly believes.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_05]: That anybody can ascend the throne of greatness.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not just pure bloods that can.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Pure bloods might have an easier path.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Like.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Slughorn is playing into what the system currently is.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_05]: In the wizarding world.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure if you're.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Going into the ministry of magic.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_05]: There's three people who are applying for a job.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_05]: One's a pure blood.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Part of the sacred 28 family.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone knows that person.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You know.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_05]: One of the Malfoys.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you have another half blood.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_05]: A random half blood.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's a good student.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you have Hermione.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's like.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: You know.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_05]: The greatest student.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_05]: At Hogwarts.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Draco is probably.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_05]: More than likely getting that job.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Because of his connections with people.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Because of his pure blood.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_05]: He has like.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a known figure.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's who you know.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not really what you know.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Slughorn knows that.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And he's like.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Like it's impressive that these people.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Are such good students.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Considering the fact that they're Muggle born.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_05]: When like everything is stacked against them.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_05]: So.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_05]: In a way.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that Slughorn knows the system.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Of the wizarding world really well.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I love Slughorn.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Slughorn is one of my favorites.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's a really wise person.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's got a lot of.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Down.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Negatives about him.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think he's still really good.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely weird.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: How much he wants to hang out with Harry.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little creepy at the time.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm with you.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_05]: If you have any more questions.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Just hammer them.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_02]: My housekeeping notes.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll just.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Start at the top.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Make a segue.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Um.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically this was just.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Happened because I was reflecting upon.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: What I had previously read.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And just having more thoughts.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And we.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Things we didn't.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I said.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: In the previous episode.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Of like the four chapters.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like doubting.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: How I felt about Snape.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I thought.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Snape is good.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He's on Dumbledore's side.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But then he was very convincing.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: When he was with Narcissa and Bellatrix.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_02]: What if.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Snape doesn't actually know.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: What he's going to do in the end.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's just kind of.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like in the present moment.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Just like taking it as far as he can go.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: For either side.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Because.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Snape would choose.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Self-preservation.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: In the end.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like whether that.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Path agrees with his.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Morals or not.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think as long as he's like.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Saving himself.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he would do that.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: What if.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm confused about Snape.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Snape is confused.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_05]: That's actually a great theory.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a very Slytherin quality too.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_05]: That's about self-preservation a lot.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's a great theory Liz.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how you can like perfectly convince both sides.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's crazy to me.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That you can fool Dumbledore and Voldemort at once.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That was my one thought.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Love it.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Random quick question.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Does the ministry come to you when you do an invisible or an unforgivable curse?

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not tracked.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't like summon you?

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They definitely should.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is it unforgivable?

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the government.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You should be punished.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They should come and get you.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a question that we have today with government surveillance.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_05]: There's great parts of it.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And then it just still feels a little icky.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the Alexa devices that we have in our houses.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_05]: They've like reported domestic abuse.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Great.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_05]: A great use.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But they're also listening to your every word.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Terrifying.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's like there's no privacy.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So the trace gets removed from you when you're 17, when you're of age, which is a good thing.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you don't, you're not tracked by the government anymore, which is good.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_05]: The government probably still has ways that they can track you in some way.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Like they put it to, they like maybe put taboos on certain things.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think it's good that they don't track you.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm like a very much a fan of like government not tracking us down and not, you

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_05]: know, selling our information to corporations.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Just getting AI facial recognition as you walk past every security camera.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_05]: But I'm a fan that they, I'm actually, I actually like that they don't track those, the unforgivable

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_05]: curses.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Not that I'm ever going to use them.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a great, great point.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe they should track them.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that it?

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Were you mid-thought?

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm always mid-thought with your podcast.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Just pondering.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Another hard segue.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So Dumbledore later is like evading questions about his ring.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I thought, oh, he's going to give us the whole story.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's nice.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He just wants to do it justice.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But now he's like actually evading it.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't think that his broken ring had anything to do with his blackened hand for

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: some reason.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But you said that in the podcast for season one.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So then I started thinking about it.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I just thought it was like broken already.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Like when he got it.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But then you were like in kind of insinuating.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the right word?

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That it got like whatever happened to Dumbledore was like strong enough to break the ring.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like either you're playing season one.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I play season one all the time.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm falling for that too.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was like maybe this was like because then we learn about the ring that this other guy has in chapter 12.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That weird guy.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: His name is like Gaunt or something.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like this is what I wrote in my notes.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't thinking that Dumbledore's ring got broken on when his hand turned black.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it was like that already.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But if there's a little Voldy in the ring maybe Dumbledore sacrificed himself or his hand in the ministry.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like what if he like purposely like hit the like Voldemort hit the ring with a curse.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You know and like Dumbledore like sacrificed his hand to break the ring.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like what if like the ring has something to do with Voldemort.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And then now like he has less power because he doesn't have like the ring.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And like he destroyed himself with my vague understanding of Horcruxes.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah like in Dumbledore sacrifices ring the hand in the ministry to let the curse hit it and then destroy it so that the Voldy soul is broken.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like and then Draco is trying to fix something.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like the only thing I know that's broken is his ring.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like maybe he wants to fix it and then Voldemort can have it back.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's like is that the Slytherin ring?

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the yeah I don't know.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm confused.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a great question.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_05]: What's the significance of this ring?

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Fantastic question.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the Slytherin's heir ring right?

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the Slytherin house or?

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a representation of Salazar.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Salazar Slytherin.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's actually not necessarily the there's another object that's more of a representation of Salazar Slytherin.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_05]: The snake.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_05]: The snake.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_05]: This is more of an emblem of the house of Gaunt.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_05]: The ring is more of like it's part of the Gaunt's legacy.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So the house of Gaunt is just like a Slytherin family?

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a it's a descendant of Salazar Slytherin.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_05]: They're still descendants.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But the the ring is like more of like the Gaunt ring.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Gaunt's the man.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That guy.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: The dad.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Marvolo Gaunt.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Marvolo.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And then there's Morphin.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And Murap.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever her name is.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Maropey.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Marope.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Marop.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Marop.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever you say.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are some weird people.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_05]: They're strange.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think of their whole story?

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They're definitely messed up genetically.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: A little creepy.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But they also have the she has a locket.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He like drags her by the neck by.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Then Hermione's talking about a necklace in Borgin and Burks or whatever.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like I don't know if a locket is the same thing as a necklace.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: If she would delineate that.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah I every information dump that we get now I just get into this mode of panic and

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I should like make sure I understand every single thing that's happening and I

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: was like recognizing the town name and I'm like something happened in this town before

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: like will happen.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember what it was.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was just like no I need to pay attention so much more.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_05]: No you're good.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll fill you in with details that you missed.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_05]: So this town is called Little Hangleton.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_05]: There was one thing that we read about this town before.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that where the.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's either the house that Fred was in or it's like where the cemetery was I think.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Or.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_05]: The house that Fred was in.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Fred.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't Fred the guy that got.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Fred Weasley.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No that died in the house at the beginning of.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no that's.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_05]: What's his name.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I always forget his name.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was an F name.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_05]: No no no.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But something happened there.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: In Little Hang.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Hangleton.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't believe I always forget this guy's name.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel so bad for him.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He died.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry buddy.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The basilisk ate him.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah but now I'm like very aware of everything that they're giving me.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm like we got a locket.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We got a necklace.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: We got this chalice thing from Mundungus.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We got a ring.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We have a sword.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Of Gryffindor.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We had the journal thing.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm trying to pay attention.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Trying to be aware.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I just want to find this guy.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Just look up the first chapter.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it Frank?

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_05]: It's Frank.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It's Frank.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It's Frank.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Frank.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I was close.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Fred Frank is close.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_05]: That is.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_05]: That's where this happened.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Where Voldemort.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Where Frank died in the house.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_05]: That's in Little Hangleton.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You remember who.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And it is the same thing with the graveyard.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That's where the graveyard is.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It's in Little Hangleton.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So I was right.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So you're right about both of them.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you remember who was buried there?

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Tom Riddle or the dad.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_05]: The dad and the grandparents.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Remember they died in some mysterious way.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And none of the Muggle police knew why they died.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And they were died by a vaticadaver.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Because they just seemed like they had shock expressions on their face.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_05]: They were died.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_05]: They were died by a vaticadaver.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So wait.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the Tom Riddle that's riding past this girl on his horse?

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the son.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That is Voldemort's father.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: The guy on the horse is Voldemort's father.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Dumbledore says that to Harry.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Who is now in the grave.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_05]: He's in the grave.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_05]: He's dead.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He gone.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is a memory.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: This is so confusing.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So everything that happens in these.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_05]: All the things that Dumbledore is doing are memories.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_05]: So they can be before.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_05]: All these are happening way prior to that.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So essentially what this lesson is.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It's an origin story of Voldemort.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's showing Harry Voldemort's.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_05]: His parents.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_05]: His parents and his grandparents.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And what they were like.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And his uncle.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what I expected the lessons to be more.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Really?

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Rather than like.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Information rather than.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a lecture.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Not a lab.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Because.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I feel like he's prepared.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Harry knows a lot of spells and stuff.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But he doesn't know the story.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's his biggest weakness.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like approaching Voldemort.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So now we know the origin story.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Of the grandpa.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a pretty.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_05]: They're pretty.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_05]: A pretty strange.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I still don't understand Voldemort's timeline.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I need like a visual aid.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_05]: What don't you understand about it?

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a spirit thing that like needs somewhere to reside.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So those questions are getting more interesting.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_05]: He was a person before all this.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So he was Tom Riddle though.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's a weird.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Interesting question.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Because we kind of get insinuations from this chapter.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So Marope is using love potion.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Correct?

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: On her husband.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_05]: On her.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Not really husband.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_05]: On Tom Riddle.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The grandpa.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_05]: What happens when there is a child born of a love potion?

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Does it die?

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It's more of like.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It's more of a theoretical question rather than an answer.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Answer to yes or no question.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like a squib.

[00:41:40] No.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Is a squib.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Another interesting question that you get in this chapter.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Because Marope seems to be a squib.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Is a squib.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_05]: A.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_05]: A.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Result of abuse.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_05]: As a child.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That was on my notes.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if Petunia.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: If that happened to Petunia.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Not.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So she's different.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Because.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Her parents were muggles.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But she could be a muggle born squib.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then like.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Because she's sister.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_05]: A muggle born squib is what me and you are.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Just haven't tapped into it yet.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Lily is her sister.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And Lily is magical.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Lily is a rare.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_05]: You know.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Lily.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Blossoming Lily.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe she's not a squib.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's just a traumatized wizard.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It could potentially be.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's a fascinating question.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Because a lot of people say that Voldemort is the way.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Now there's.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: There's.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_05]: This is like the nature and nurture debate.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Why is Voldemort the way that he is?

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it because of what.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_05]: How he was born?

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Was he the product of a love.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Of a love potion gone wrong?

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: What?

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_05]: That screwed him up.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Or.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Dumbledore?

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You mean Voldemort?

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Did I say Dumbledore?

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You might have.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely Voldemort.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_05]: So people.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_05]: The debate is.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Is he.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it the nature.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Where he's.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_05]: The product of a.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Love potion.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Or is it like how he was raised.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll see.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I would think there's.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot more kids.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Born of love potions though.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Really?

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So I tend to really think.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Like.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_05]: There's certain people using.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Like.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_05]: You know.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Not.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_05]: They're not necessarily using.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Amortentia.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_05]: They're using some other kinds of forms of love potion.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Amortentia doesn't seem to have like.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Like.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_05]: We have not encountered a story like we have here.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Where someone is continually giving someone.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Amortentia.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_05]: To make them fall in love with another person.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think you.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_05]: We get that.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_05]: That much.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's really looked down upon in the wizarding world as well.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's just.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_05]: It's rape.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You keep saying.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: If two consenting adults.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_05]: But that's not the product of like.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_05]: A illegitimate love potion.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_05]: That's like two people are drunk and hammered.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And they're.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_05]: They already love each other.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But you can't say that sometimes it's fine.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes it's not.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes I can.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_05]: You can.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Because.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_05]: You know why?

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Magic.

[00:44:06] No.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is what I'm saying though.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_05]: So.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_05]: So this whole series is about how love is a powerful form of magic.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_05]: If two consenting adults who are married.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Say Mr.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And Mrs.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Weasley.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Decide to take amortentia one day.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Their love.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just creates more obsession and romance with them.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_05]: They already love each other.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not creating the love.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_05]: It's creating the spark maybe all over again.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And so they go have a great time together.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And they bear another child.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That's not.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Nothing's wrong with that.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's not the product of an illegitimate use of love potion amortentia.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the product of their love.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And they just like you know wanted to fan that at the flame and have a kid.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know like.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_05]: What are those not contraceptives.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Something to aid your pregnancy.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe you're like.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like an aphrodisiac.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah for sure.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it is like an aphrodisiac.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Because there's part of it.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_05]: That is an aphrodisiac in this.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_05]: People are.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_05]: The scent is whatever like is most attractive to them.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_05]: It like drives them crazy.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Crazy.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_05]: With like in a good way.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_05]: But if one person gives another person amortentia.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And it is not consensual.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And it is not based on like.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_05]: They don't love each other prior to that.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Then that could go really awry.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I think.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_05]: That's my opinion.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's like.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a child of love.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a child of deception.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And that might be embedded into the kids like actual blood and skin.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So you think Voldemort is the only child ever born out of.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Not the only child ever born.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So what are you saying happens to these kids that are.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's very rare.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_05]: If it does.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I think some of them are.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Like psychopathic.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Like Voldemort is a psychopath.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Like was Tom Riddle a psychopath?

[00:45:54] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he's a human.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's like.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Dies.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll get more of his backstory.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't worry.

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll have it.

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll have this whole debate.

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You need to understand this now.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Because then.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Tom Riddle.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Is in the thing.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: In the basement thing with Ginny.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like Tom Riddle.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a weird one.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That's still.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I have not coped with that.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a huge debate about that one in the community.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_05]: For what would have happened to Voldemort's original soul.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Had that.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Existed.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Part of Voldemort's soul.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It is.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_05]: In Tom Riddle.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_05]: The book is different.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_05]: The book led me.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_05]: The diary led me to a lot of confusion about what a Horcrux actually is.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Until I actually started doing this podcast.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And then ironed some of the details out.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Because some people helped me understand it a little bit better.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_05]: But this book is such a weird part.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Because.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about this another time.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't talk about this.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: When he's like the weird baby thing that they put in the cauldron.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_05]: His actual form.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_05]: That's like original OG Voldemort.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Voldemort.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But like Tom Riddle did something to become Voldemort.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Because like Tom Riddle isn't like a snake looking thing.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to see.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so confused.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like this book.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I think.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Details will get ironed out.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I promise you.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But I just will not be able to answer them right now.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I just need a timeline with a picture of what he looks like.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You'll see.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll get a timeline.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_05]: This book will.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I will say this.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_05]: This book will provide you with a timeline.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll talk in detail about the timeline.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So for now we're like really early in the timeline.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Because we're talking about his grandpa.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about his grandpa.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_05]: His grandparents.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_05]: We're talking.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_05]: This is like the origin story of Voldemort.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But he needed his like dad's bones or something.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_05]: That whole thing.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_05]: It was not.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_05]: That was like a dark way to bring someone back from the dead.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You can technically do that.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And I know you actually.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_05]: So you can't bring someone back from the dead.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_05]: You can resurrect someone whose soul is on the verge of destruction.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So Voldemort's soul is still like floating out there.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't really have a body.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You can reunite the soul and body.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That's so.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_05]: What they're doing in there is essentially reuniting the soul and the body.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_05]: In that little thingy.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_05]: There's.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_05]: There's.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_05]: There's some pretty.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I've.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I've mentioned this before to you.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_05]: How.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_05]: How baby Voldemort exists in book four.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_05]: So in book four we get baby Voldemort.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: They like impregnate some lady.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Impregnate Bertha Jorkins.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is pretty gross.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Not cool.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And she gives birth to little baby Voldemort.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Gross.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's awful.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_05]: That's pretty terrible.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So Voldemort's body is dead.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why he needed to.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Inhabit his.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Father's body.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Inhabit his father's body.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that's what you were just saying.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't like he was taking over his father's body.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_05]: That potion.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I gotta look into that.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_05]: What that potion actually does.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It seems to maybe.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Quicken the lifespan.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's like a little baby.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's like maybe it just.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Makes you age.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_05]: To the age that you need to be.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_05]: It might be something like that.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Because he was like a little baby.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_05]: They dumped him into this little like potion.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And then all of a sudden they take the bone of the father.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_05]: The flesh of the servant.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And the blood of the enemy.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And then all of a sudden he's reborn into actual form.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Even though he kind of was form.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_05]: What?

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_02]: The blood of the enemy.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Blood of the enemy.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why he needed Harry.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_05]: He needed Harry's blood.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_05]: But.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_05]: He really needed any enemy's blood.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_05]: But he just decided.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Pick Harry's blood.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he look like a.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't look like a snake thing before he was in that.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He looks like.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_05]: A little more after the cauldron thing.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a good question.

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably after.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a good question though.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_05]: When he.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_05]: When he gets a snake like appearance.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Not like an integral part of the story.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll get there when we get there.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_05]: You're asking all the good questions.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was all of them.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm confused.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I learned a lot.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I have.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to be confused in this book.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I will say.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_05]: But we will iron out all these details as we go through these stories.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I trust.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So give me a quick summary.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Of chapter 11.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is Hermione's helping hand.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I know.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_05]: We haven't done summaries.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going back to 10.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_01]: All we did officially was 9.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_05]: We were just doing 10.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_05]: 10 is.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_05]: House of Gaunt.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: What other questions do you have of 10?

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about 10.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Any other questions?

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You can persuade someone to give you their memories.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that cool?

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a little creepy.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You could like sell your memories on the dark web.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And like people could use them.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I wonder how much a memory is worth.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I would love a.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Like a pensive.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Like be able to like.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Just have like a little closet.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You just put all your memories in for the day.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You're like oh.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't have to think about that anymore.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so there.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I also feel like Snape could be taking everything out of the pensive.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And then like what if Dumbledore.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Or putting everything into the pensive.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And then what if Dumbledore and Voldemort are both giving him like Veritas serum to make sure that he's telling the truth.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But he actually is telling the truth because he has nothing to hide because all his memories are like washed away.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there could be something like that.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like some security measure in place.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Ah okay.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Like encryption.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Because there was something that Snape did when he was trying to teach Harry Occupancy.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Where he took his memories and put them in the pensive before he actually taught Harry certain lessons.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So you're like why was he doing that?

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_05]: What were those memories?

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And because Voldemort's like the best Aquamans ever.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So like he could just see like oh Snape's lying to me.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah for sure.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But he could also just see that.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe Snape has to modify his memories because if you look in someone's mind there's nothing in there.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I would be like oh hello.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Where were you Snape?

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Why is there a blank right here?

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Looks like some files were deleted.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about those.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_05]: The idea of removing a memory as well seems strange to me.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Like you can coax it out of someone.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Does it duplicate the memory?

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Like because when Snape is taking these memories out of his head in that one chapter.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Is he, can he not remember those anymore?

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Or is this just like a form of encryption?

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Where you like you put it there and no one can access them until you get them back in?

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think of it as more clarity.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like you get your memory in 4k.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh I like that yeah.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Because if there's so many thoughts swirling around in your mind and you need a little mental silence to focus on one.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You can like pull out the rest of them and then focus on the one.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Or like in your head or you could focus on the one that you pull out.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And like literally dive back into it and just be fully present.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I saw this today actually.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It was Conan O'Brien was talking about the first time he met his wife Liza.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And he says that is documented.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like it's on YouTube.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_05]: There's people.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_05]: There were camera crews around.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_05]: She was part of this like you know this bit that they were doing on his show.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's the first time he met his wife and he was smitten with her.

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_05]: He says I will never watch that.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I can never watch that.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like because he's like I don't want to see that again.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I want it.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to remember it how I remember it.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Because like I remember every detail of that.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like I want to remember it.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cute.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I know it's adorable.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I freaking love it so much.

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But do you think if you could.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So like bringing this back even to like what we were talking about in previous chapters of like love and dates.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Would you want to revisit a first date or something like that?

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Or would you.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to destroy.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah clearly.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I would like can we do that instead?

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Because there's.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_05]: There's even something with Jen and Danny that they.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Their proposal was just like.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Danny was.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_05]: They were just like in their room and they're like getting ready for like you know a family dinner.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And they didn't have any video.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_05]: They don't really have any pictures of it.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It was just Danny like going down on one knee and being like hey.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to get married.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Really quick.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And I love that.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I'm like so many people need it like documented in 4K so they can keep rewatching it over and over and over again.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And I like someone who's like that exists in my mind.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And I remember every detail of it.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to see what these people portray it as.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I would want a video.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't need like a whole shenanigans where they hire like a videographer.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of like the idea too of just like exist in your own mind.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It's romantic.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No I would rather just like take things out and leave them outside of my mind.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I like the idea of revisiting things.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Like you don't have to think about something right now.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It helps over thinkers sometimes.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_05]: You like hire just processing through something.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You can just be like okay I'm going to you know pop this in the pensive and come back to this later.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And think about it then.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But like you don't have a memory that like eats you up.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That you like think about every single night.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like why can't I stop thinking about this.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Clearly.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So get rid of that.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think about like reliving amazing things all the time.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And if I yeah because I wouldn't want to relive it the exact way that it was.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I would want to like go back to the actual moment.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean I wouldn't want to be amnesic amnesiaic.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't want to delete certain memories.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I would want to be able to change how I acted in certain situations.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Because that's what eats me up about some of those situations.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_05]: That I didn't change.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_05]: That I didn't do something different or say something more or whatever it was.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Rather than.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But you can't do that because you're just you're stuck in the memory.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe we wouldn't like that.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I think my friends would hate it.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We think we would.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we hate it.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: We just stand there with our heads in it the whole time.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like actually getting destroyed by it.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Pretty much.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you come out of it by yourself too?

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you just jump?

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's like.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_05]: There seems to be kind of like a definitive end to these memories.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So like when you come to the end of the memory.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like maybe there's just a natural exit point.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_05]: A little like cloud exit here.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_05]: You go out and you're like.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Yoshi when he rides the clouds.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be fun.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_05]: That's my best guess for that.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Um.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: What else about the House of Gaunt?

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_02]: um i guess we did talk about it yeah talked about a lot of the details for that one

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: chapter 11 stan lee gets arrested stan lee or stan lee stan i don't know stan shunpike

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: stan is his name not stanley stanley stanley's in the office

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_05]: stan shunpike the bus driver yeah yeah i stand shunpike maybe it's stanley shunpike i don't know

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what i just autocorrected

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_01]: anyway um do you think he was actually bad though yeah it's a good question i'm gonna

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_05]: rewind that and give it to you do you think he's bad or reverse that and give it to you

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_02]: i it could go either way for me because i feel like you can talk about like the news and just

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: like say conspiracy theories and you not be a death eater because i think like that's option one yeah

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: if he's just like talking about what's happening and i feel like people have weird connections where

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_02]: they know people at the ministry like it's a small community yeah so maybe he does have some

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: insider information but then he's not bad or maybe there's somebody at the ministry who's a dark wizard

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: who wants to get rid of him on like a personal vendetta and then like they just chose to get

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_02]: because he died or went to jail he got arrested get arrested yeah um or they wanted to stop the night

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_02]: bus i'm like what if no one can get rescued without the night bus and like they want to just like break

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the barrier or like create a bigger barrier between the muggle world and the wizard world because the

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: night bus was like always right there when you needed it like maybe there's no one else who can

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: drive the night bus but or he's just a death eater i don't know those are my ideas we'll revisit that

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_05]: uh he's he's an interesting character i liked him um harry seems to very much think he's innocent

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah but you're like why the first interaction that they had wasn't you know it wasn't terrible but it

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_05]: wasn't great yeah so why is harry to his defense so much i don't know i guess he's just like a young

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_00]: wizard yeah like they're both young wizards yeah for sure it's a good point i don't know um

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_05]: after this happens a lot of people say that they're taking their kids out of hogwarts

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_05]: you had kids in hogwarts at this time would you take them out no just let them i think they're safe

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: there because there's a lot of like as far as i know there's no death eaters necessarily at hogwarts

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: okay so anywhere else there could be death eaters so i feel like it'd be better just put them

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: in where there's oars and dumbledore yeah and like a nurse like everything is there yeah most of what

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: they need is there to be honest and they're learning too like if i took them out i feel like

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: they unless something happened like there's a war like how would i prepare my child like

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_02]: would i have to just start teaching them spells you would definitely have to be like adept at what

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_05]: you do you'd have to know you know some high advanced high levels of magic because like if

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_02]: hermione went home she's just living in the muggle world and she's just gonna be a victim

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_05]: but honestly hermione is still learning she's still gonna be pouring over books and you know

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: well maybe a muggle born who's not like hermione yeah but yeah i would leave them there would you

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah probably i think there's a point too where i would probably take them out because it's like um

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: i would visit them yeah i'd give them a hug maybe i'm just so much of a pessimist i just keep equating

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_05]: this to um uh 9 11 when 9 11 happened i remember i was in school in fifth grade and um people like

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_05]: everyone at like 10 o'clock people just started taking their kids out of school and i didn't know

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_05]: what was happening our teacher didn't let us know what was happening um i remember seeing like the smoke

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_05]: rising from uh the city and that was pretty terrifying but i remember um after i was like

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_05]: why did everyone because i was i think one of the last three kids to leave school i remember um it was

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_05]: like me and my siblings we were just chilling there and our parents just kind of like picked us up and

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_05]: we're like okay let's go i remember sitting there thinking like it's not necessarily safer but you like

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: want your kids by you so there's a point where it feels like for a wizard wizard it's like almost the

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_05]: end of the world like voldemort is coming back to power and it's pretty terrifying so if we have another

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: year of life i want to be with my family i don't care if they learn other magic you know it's like

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_05]: we're gonna go out we're gonna go out together yeah which there's some yeah like the family unit

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah for sure yeah like you're stronger together than you are apart which is like part of hogar

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_05]: hogar is a family so you're strong there together you're they're safe there but there's a point

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_05]: where sometimes like being together supersedes safety

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: go out with a bang yeah for sure yeah yeah that's true i like that and i don't know when that

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_05]: point is i don't think it's at that point yet but i think it's getting to that point where i would be

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: looking at how it's being like there's some terrible stuff they're happening i don't think i could protect

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: my kid better than dumbledore can but i still want to be with my you know kids i still want them by me

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah maybe that's selfish i don't know i mean they're your kids yeah for sure like you're in

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_05]: charge of them yeah where are they gonna be safest and where are they gonna so like if you're protecting

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: your kids is it your job to protect them or put them in the with the person who can protect them

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: best yeah it's a good question it's like how tight or loose reins yeah i don't know i don't know either

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: i would maybe also it's like comforting the fact that you can take them out whenever and they're there

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: like instantly yeah and like you don't even have to go through danger to get them it's just like boom

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and there's another point where there is i mean there's parental instincts so like dumbledore would

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_05]: sacrifice his life to protect all the students probably but there's like something different about a

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_05]: mom and a dad that are willing to protect their kids to death to the point of death like harry is

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_05]: harry's parents like protecting them to the point where they both die but they give harry this like

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_05]: love i think dumbledore sacrificing his life for his students is going to cast a love charm over them

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_05]: i think it's something it has to be something deeper than that yeah and it depends how much danger

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: you're in too yeah it's like if you work at the ministry maybe for your kid's sake you want them to

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: have another year with you because you're like super yeah at the front lines yeah for sure danger

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: because that one girl's mom just died yeah and then she got pulled out of hogwarts and it's like oh

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: shoot like you haven't seen her in yeah and then it's just gone oh yeah that's awful do you remember

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_05]: who who's got pulled out what her name was no i forget bones amelia bones amelia bones was i believe her

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: mom mom susan bones wouldn't she have gotten pulled out like later i mean earlier because i thought

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: amelia bones died a little while ago i think you're right actually anything else in this chapter

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: what chapter was this 11 11 i don't think so is there small stuff where do you think dumbledore is

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: going all these times what do you think he's doing why is he off campus all the time

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_05]: probably stuff with the order okay good generic answer thanks um malfoy did malfoy sneak anything

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: in into the school i feel like he could cut a deal with filch yeah right because filch is definitely

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: at least a dark wizard yeah so he'd be like look how cool this thing is yeah i'll let you have it

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: some time and then boom now it's in hogwarts yeah whatever that object may be i do not know yep

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah filch is weird filch is is one of the weirdest people in this entire series

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_05]: all right let's do chapter 12 silver and opals give me a quick summary of this

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: so the silver would be the chalice thing right and the opal would be the necklace okay um because

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: is this the chapter where she actually goes flying up in the air yep yeah so they go to hogsmeade

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: is that what it's called the trio goes to hogsmeade they hang out it's freezing cold on their way back

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: um katie bell and someone else are walking in front of them and then the one girl goes flying up in

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the air and she's like looks terrifying it's pretty scary scene and basically she's cursed because this

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: package that they were fighting over opened and she touched whatever's in it and then that turns out

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: to be a necklace and then harry runs against hagrid hagrid takes his girl and runs up the castle then

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: mcgonagall takes everyone into her office has a little question time and harry's convinced that

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: malfoy like planted this necklace um and that the girl was imperious and then like hermione and ron

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: aren't with him 100 on that but like it kind of makes sense because the only other necklace situation

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_05]: was malfoy in the same shop um yeah it makes sense but you're kind of skeptical along with them but

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_05]: you're like yeah it kind of makes sense for what harry's saying a kid getting imperious is terrifying

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: too yeah i know that is really really scary so who's in you don't it's not like polyjuice right where

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: you need like how does that work no imperious someone an imperious curse you seem to need to be in

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: the proximity of the person um it depends on the strength of the wizard or which you can imperious

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: someone who's like kind of weak pretty easily um through their brain like aquamancy or something

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_05]: uh there's some slight no it's not like aquamancy you need a you need a

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_05]: there's some like debate for how this actually works and how it functions even in the movies it's

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: it's done in slightly different ways there's not like a clear um game plan for how a um

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_05]: how the curse works how the imperio curse works in the movie there's a really funny part where i

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: actually kind of think this is kind of cool where it's like a fart or like harry says imperio and

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like this like laughing gas comes out of this his wand and like the person smells it and is all of a

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_05]: sudden taken and just like does everything and is like in line with what they want to do but it's

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: like is it like a puppeteer and a puppet we're like no not necessarily that oh yeah yeah so that's your

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_05]: i think it's more of like mind it's not like the person's in the background yeah like like has like a

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_05]: little puppet and is like using the sticks to step and stuff like that it's not really like that it's

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: more like the person kind of does what they need to do but it's mind control so it's like i'll go to

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_05]: your office and work and the person just goes to their office and like does mindless work who's

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: imperious seeing her yeah that's a great question but you probably know the answer to i do you're

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna share nope i want you to guess so if they have to be like relatively nearby

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: or a very powerful wizard yeah who we have we could have snape okay um malfoy okay the guy i think his

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: name is borgin okay maybe he's nearby yeah um i don't think it would be crabber goyle yeah they

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: probably don't seem at that level yet and well mundungus was in the town yeah could it be mundungus

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: mundungus is kind of sketch yeah i don't know like i want to like him but he's also really

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: messed up for taking harry's stuff yeah and that other guy that mundungus was selling stuff to is

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: probably not a great wizard like a darker wizard if you're if you're selling dark stuff like that

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_05]: it's definitely not to like a a morally good yeah witcher wizard i don't know other than this

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: like malfoy would be the only student that i would assume would do it but it could be like slughorn

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_05]: snape okay or yeah i think that's it that's a good it's a good short list we'll see i'm not

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_05]: gonna even broach that because i mean i always obviously know the answer so yeah yeah good guesses

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: um when she is imperious and she touches this little magic necklace

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_05]: um what kind of dark magic is that do you think that we've seen that before where someone kind of

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_05]: can touch an object and they can immediately die because she just barely glanced it with like a

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_05]: cell of her like a hair on her body she's like putting a coma essentially it's i don't know i

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: don't think we've necessarily seen the same type of magic before it's kind of like um i don't know

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: because like the magic is waiting for you to come to it almost like the magic is just there

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's a great point so it's kind of like the i'm thinking of the mirror how like

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the mirror is like ready with whatever like you need to see yeah but like it's like you need to

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: come to the mirror to see it yeah and then also like this the sorcerer's stone is like powerful

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: but it's not really like you touch it and like something happens yeah that's actually a really

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting point but that has like object magic permanence it's almost yeah that's actually a great

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: point it's like this these things must have been the result of like either years and years of someone

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: doing continual magic to it it's like there's like a potency of magic to this there's i mean

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_05]: other than the avada kedavra curse which is like instant death but you can like you know dodge the

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: avada kedavra curse or block it or do something they're like you know be protected with love

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_05]: for something like this if you just like brush against it you're dead so it's like yeah did a

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_05]: person just sit there and like you know every day for 100 days just say avada kedavra to this

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: necklace until it was like so potent that you brushed against it you're gonna die or did the person

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: have it on and then they got avada kedavra and it like what if like lily had it on and it was like

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: voldemort's curse that's a cool theory because or you do so much dark magic with it on that it just like

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: absorbs your state of darkness because like the hope diamond is cursed have you heard about that

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: no do you know what the hope diamond is no it's like the biggest diamond

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: um i don't know if it's ever but it's like this big blue diamond i think it's in the

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: smithsonian right now so i feel like i've definitely seen it but like everybody who touches it is like

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: cursed like the mailman die really the the people who wear it yeah like weird stuff happens so i like

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: i cannot think about the hope diamond yeah for real i hear that but yeah i'm like maybe somebody just

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: tried to kill the person that was wearing it and then it just like hit the thing the necklace i like

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: that i like the lore of trying to figure out where these things were created or where they how they

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: ended up becoming into being yeah because it could also have been created with that purpose of yeah i'm

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna give this somebody and they're gonna die yeah for sure yeah or they didn't really die they

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_05]: just it was like crucio yeah but that's only because katie barely touched it so it's like uh

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: i don't know maybe it's like ramps up for the the amount of skin that touches this necklace i feel

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_05]: like if you grabbed it you'd immediately immediately die and maybe it is like you know the intent was to

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: give it to like somebody who they wanted to die no because i think that's what you see with katie and

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: that's what they say later on in the chapter they're like you know it was just a very she barely touched

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_05]: it and that's why hagrid's like only touch it with the wrappings i do not feel like a scarf

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_05]: around the necklace yeah me neither yeah 100 i'm completely there with you i feel like

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: hermione should have like wrapped it up like 20 times they should just like have and you can

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_05]: literally just carry stuff like with your wand they should 100 do that imagine they were just

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_05]: carrying it up and all of a sudden out of the snow comes someone that just like goes right over the

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_05]: person's head maybe it is crucio but it's like an extreme form of crucio where it's so bad that it

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_05]: kills you and maybe like the harder you touch it the more potent that is so like if you touch it

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_05]: you're crucio for like two seconds but that's enough to kill you with what katie bell went

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_05]: through it's like pretty it was pretty it's pretty scary honestly in the movies it portrays it pretty

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_05]: well it's pretty terrifying in the movies um she's on the quidditch team yeah what was she the

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_05]: keeper she's a seeker oh no no she's a chaser and she's an exceptional chaser because she was on it

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah she should she's a year seven she should be the captain in my opinion

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_05]: oh well i don't think gary should be the captain at the moment but uh what's the most amount of pain

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that you've ever been in definitely my oh i don't know i've broken bones i've sprained things yeah i

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: think my concussion oh yeah was really painful for a really long time um yeah i mean i've had like

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: moment not momentary pain i don't want to say what it was but i ended up going to the hospital

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: because i thought something bad was really happening but it was fine it's just like

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: work through it yeah but um yeah my concussion was so bad i just like i don't remember like anything

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: of that still but it was like i just remember being in bed and just like i can't move a muscle

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah i'm like when i tried to get up is like the worst head rush ever like my brain was literally

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna explode and it was like that for weeks and i just sat in my room literally i hung blankets on

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: top of my curtains because like any little fragment of light would just be like knife to the eyeball

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: it was the worst yeah that was bad but yeah i mean whatever you're through it you're good

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_05]: i'm gonna have to be alive braise b glad you're alive glad you got through that oh gosh concussions

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_05]: suck yeah um and then i guess the final question in this chapter who gave katie the necklace and

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_05]: where was katie delivering it we talked about who gave it to her where was she delivering it

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: i don't know i don't think it's i feel like it's not malfoy's mission because i think he has to do

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: himself that's why narcissa was so scared about getting snape to help him but i kind of feel like

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: i don't know i'm suspicious of slughorn right now and i feel like maybe he is trying to like

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_02]: do something weird but i don't i i'm assuming i'm with the harry potter because like katie bell

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: is pretty close to him like they've interacted multiple times and they could have scenes together

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: for sure um or maybe it's gonna go to like ron or hermione and then harry loses his support system

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he's like the lone soldier and maybe malfoy is trying to plan this all that he can kill harry

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: now but i don't know interesting i think it's going to one of the trio for sure okay

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_05]: well we'll find out next time on harry potter and the first time readers i'm not gonna obviously

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: say anything can we talk about the non-verbal curses too yeah they're cool yeah because i'm

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: wondering because that's like snape yeah i'm assuming but imagine creating a non-verbal curse

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: or whatever incantation and then like you have so much power that nobody else has because no one will

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_05]: ever know like what you did to get that spell done oh hold on you're saying that um second

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: sempra the one that he used and you think you're saying that snape is half blood prince yeah i'm

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: saying that snape is their their teacher and is teaching them non-verbal spells i don't know if

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_05]: we're at that point i think it's like the next two chapters or something down the book yeah because

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_05]: the fence against the magic defense against the dark arts they learn non-verbal spells

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah but there's a incantation in the yeah book that he makes ron go up by his ankle

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: oh levy corpus yeah yeah and that's like what happened at the quidditch world cup yeah but non-verbal

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: that one isn't like approved by the ministry apparently yeah so either like this is my theory

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: snape is the half-blood prince he wrote that incantation as a student at hogwarts and that was

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: his textbook and it has like to do with his worst memory because it got used against him when he meant

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: to like use it against somebody else like one of the marauders interesting so then it's his worst

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: memory because it was like something that he was so proud of inventing and then it was just like

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: the utmost mortification for him to have it done against him um and like how did the death eaters know

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: what it is because snape was a death eater and like he taught them all of it okay okay i just feel

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: like that's a crazy power to have is like unspoken yeah you definitely have to master it well it's

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: definitely like an intense thing to have but it's a it's a scary thing yeah and you don't ever have to

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: share your information you can just be powerful how do you invent something like that like you just

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: put letters together and like say it meaningfully it's a great question how you invent magic like

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_05]: latin roots yeah you just go yeah you just start saying latin words and all of a sudden one sticks

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and like you know does something terrible corpus yeah boom it is a bit interesting how how those

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: things work i don't know i'll have to look that up anyway thanks for joining us on our journey

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: with harry fodder and the second time reader bye peace