Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince: Ch 5-8

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the podcast. I'm Lizzie and this is Harry Potter and the Second Time Readers.

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Reader. Just me.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you just mentioned something because you were just finishing the chapter. Which is really actually an interesting point. We're gonna talk about it. We'll go over a summary in a second.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Why does Harry have a cloak and it's not confiscated?

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. And I feel like more people are learning about it too. Like, Luna, Neville, Malfoy know about it.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like the more people know about it, the more people would want one.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So, I don't know.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a philosophical... I don't know if it's conundrum. I don't know what the word is.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Wes? Trying to get the peanut butter on the bottom of the jar.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a philosophical thing. We'll just call it a thing.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Of... I think it's like an invisible ring. Like, if you had a ring and it made you invisible, the guy, the philosopher said that people would only do evil with it.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: If you have like something that makes you invisible, like no, nobody is doing good with that ring or with that whatever that makes you invisible.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Harry is maybe an anomaly with that. But I feel like if you are having invisibility cloak and you're at a school, I mean, they like do bad stuff with it, but they just don't get caught.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Malfoy would definitely do bad stuff.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Malfoy would be doing horrendous stuff.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Luna and Neville would just sit under it and like not go anywhere.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They'd just be like, ah, I can be invisible and be an introvert.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: They would, yeah. Like they would be eating in the great hall and just like drape it over them.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: All their friends would know they're still around, but they'd just be invisible. It'd be nice.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_00]: What did Mr. Potter do with it? Just like mischief. Yeah, he was definitely. He was very mischievous, mischievous.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you say mischievous or mischievous?

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably mischievous, mischievous, mischievous.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Mischievous. I don't know.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I don't know. I thought that was a great question.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Why he's like legitimately able to have the cloak at a school.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It seems a little dangerous for a kid of his age to have it.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess Dumbledore wants him to have it and that's good enough.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's all we need to know.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Dumbledore said use it well. So that's all. That's all we got.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: All right. So we're doing five, six, seven and eight.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Five, six, seven, eight.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, can you give me a quick summary of chapter five?

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this is when Harry gets back to the burrow.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh huh. And it's just kind of like talking about their life there and

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Fleur is there and Bill.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I don't know what happens.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They're just at the burrow.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's pretty much it.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: The, uh, the excess of phlegm. None of them really like, uh,

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Fleur all that much.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Phlegm. That is so good.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That made me laugh so much.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a great insult.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: They get their exam results.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's something that happens.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, pretty much it.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to just look this up.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember how many owls Hermione got?

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever is one less than the max.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that 11?

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: She got 10.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is wild because it shows you how actually good of a student he was.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember how much, how many Percy, how many OWL's Percy got?

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: 12.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He got 12.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like the perfect student.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's better than Hermione.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_00]: He must've been doing some time turner stuff too.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You think?

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like these, he had to his third year.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: They probably gave him a time turner.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's so much side content off of that.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Like Percy getting 12 audio, like Hermione is by far the most brilliant person we've seen

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: in the books.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Percy is just like sneaking out one more OWL than her, which is insane.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But Hermione had more going on in life.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I think.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Percy was probably just like studying all the time.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Hermione is literally saving the school every single year on top of getting perfect

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: grades.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: She has a school life balance.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Not, not so much with Percy.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Percy, him, him and Penelope Clearwater.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's his only distraction.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise he's just studying every single day.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Is like the Ron and Harry amount of OWL is like the normal.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: The normal spread.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, uh, I was really lucky because SAT scores had changed the year that I got,

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I did SATs.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And so it used to be 1600.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And when I took SATs, the year I took it, it went to 2400 and I did terrible on my SATs.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I got like a,

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I did terrible on my SATs.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Out of 2400, I got like, I think like a 14 or 1300.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it was bad.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That's better than I, I, so mine would be 1600, but I got like just over a thousand.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was freezing cold and the windows were open.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It was so much fun.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I blame so many other things.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But when I went home, my parents, I think they must've thought that it was a 1600 scale still.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: They were so impressed with my SAT scores.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I came back like a 1300 and they're like, they're like, you almost beat Jake.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And I had like smart brother who pretty much beat me with a 1600 score when I was on the 2400 score.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you tell them?

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: No, of course not.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I still got into school and all that.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: We were still good.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like your scholarship would come back and be like, why are you in this scholarship bracket?

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like shouldn't you get more?

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think of you as the smart brother though.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm the, I'm the cerebral or like a intellectual.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: No, not really the intellectual.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the nerdy brother.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd never, I was never like that in high school though.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was very much a Ron in high school.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't study, didn't care at all.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I kind of like started getting into it and I started enjoying it a bit more.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like in whatever you were like interested in, you just like study it all the time.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Wholehearted.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But just like in a classroom.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you don't like that.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell me what to study.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I want to study what I want to study.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Just go down your Wikipedia loopholes.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: There is no greater tool than Wikipedia.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that thing.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Just wiki deep dives.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Percy getting an Oba 12, one more OWL than Hermione always, it never cease to

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: amaze me.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It blows my mind that he's that good of a student.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm taking out hair out of my couch right now.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: That was gross.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Lovely.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Lovely.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Lovely.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about Flora?

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you find her annoying?

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why everyone's hating on her.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: She's kind of just being herself.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she's not doing that much.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're probably just annoyed at the situation more than the person.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's chasing a fly.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cute.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he does.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: He hunts.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I sometimes let flies into my apartment so he keeps them occupied for like a half hour.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: He will hunt flies.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's really cute.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I don't feel like Fleur is doing anything like especially deserving of hatred.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're just racking it up on her, calling her phlegm.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's brutal.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great, a great comeback, but it's a little mean.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: One sec, sorry.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have many notes again, so.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, these are, there's not like, I mean, there's stuff that happens in these,

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but there's not a ton.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, there is one thing to note that Harry, Harry is doing two things.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The first is he's slowly gaining trust in Ron and Hermione.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: He like tells him the prophecy, which is like a cool step for Harry.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And the second is that he is no longer able to be an or, which is like a bummer.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think his career is going to be?

[00:08:31] I don't know.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd never thought he was going to be an or anyway.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I think Hermione would be like a curse breaker.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause she's deep in the ancient ruin.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: She'd be fantastic at that.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He could be a professor.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a bad teacher.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He already has the DA or had for sure.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's actually not, not a bad career path for Harry.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you would love going back into the classroom.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Hogwarts is kind of his home.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, maybe he'll own the ice cream shop.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Legitimately.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And he'll give students a free one every month.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Pick up one chosen child to get free ice cream.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, when you finish, uh, the series, we will go to, uh, curse child together.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, in the city.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: What is that?

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the Broadway play in the city.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a crazy bits of information about what their career paths are.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that, I keep driving past this Harry Potter billboard.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's either the Harry Potter experience or the curse child.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the two.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds fun.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll do both.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Chapter six.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, not a ton that happens in that one, but a chapter six, maybe a little bit more.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, great.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: My neighbors are revving their engines.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, what happens in chapter six?

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Draco's detour.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They go to Diagon Alley to do all their shopping and then they run across Malfoy in the robe

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: maker store.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he like reacts to her touching him.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he goes and runs off from his mom later and they follow him into Nocturne Alley.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think his name is Borgin or something like that.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So he talks to Borgin.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that his name?

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like the trio is watching from under the cloak and it's kind of like suspicious

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like Malfoy's threatening him.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was great.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and they go to Weasley's.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Weasley.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Weasley.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: The joke shop.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Weasley wizard wheezes.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It's fantastic.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so one of the first things they do too, is they check Ollivanders and they see Ollivanders

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: is that a business?

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about that?

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Did he die or we don't know that?

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so sad.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he died?

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they killed him?

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think they're probably utilizing him.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they captured like the dark side captured him.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And is making wands because I think that they were talking about that.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's better to have, um, like Ollivander on the good side than to have him be for Voldemort

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's like a really good wand maker.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of true.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a weapons manufacturer.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: He's just out there pumping out wands.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: This is true.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Literally.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That is like their only weapon.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's crazy too.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause, uh, Fred and George are, um, government contractors.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That is really cool.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: They're literally like creating stuff.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so good that the ministry of magic comes and sees and they're like, it's a joke

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: shop, but you know, this stuff works.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's, you know, place an order.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it shows you how serious it is too.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause that like happened in American history where like companies would just start making

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: like weapons or whatever resources they have.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Even in COVID, like breweries were just like selling straight alcohol for like hand sanitizer.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: My uncle knows some guy with like a brewery and he would just literally get like straight

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: alcohol from him and sanitizer in like bottles.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That's nuts.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was just like one of those things that it gets serious and you gotta get your

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: resources.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember it.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: COVID was a, it was a good, uh, um, lesson in that.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of companies just dropped what they were doing cause they were like, let's, you

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: know, supply whatever it is for people.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I knew people were doing that with, uh, hospitals cause they had a, uh, respirator

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: shortage.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So like a lot of companies, car companies were doing that where they were like, we make the

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: same thing.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's, you know, just all band together and give you a bunch of respirators.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That was cool.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I like that Fred and George are into that cause one, number one, it shows they're brilliant.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And number two, I think you're exactly right.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It shows how serious this situation is.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we're in war right now.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's, it ain't, it ain't a joke, even though they're at a joke shop.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: The only store that has like nice advertising on it.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is, I mean, it's like a, it's like an interesting thing.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a, uh, there's a moving line.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's in the book, but, uh, Ron goes, they reckon, uh, Fred and George

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: reckon people need a laugh, which I feel like is very true.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: If you're in like a rough time like that, sometimes a good laugh helps.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Morale.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Morale.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Even like the thing on the wall that says, why are you worrying about, you know, who you

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: should be worrying about, you know, who the constipation sensation that's gripping the

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: nation.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Equally as terrible issue.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's be honest.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: That is, I would much rather face her, uh, face Voldemort than have to deal with that.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Constipation sensation gripping the nation.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: They're great marketers.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And they have an employee too.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: They've expanded.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Weasley, Mr. Weasley.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: To Mr. Weasley.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's so good.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, what do you think is their best invention?

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Of everything that they've made.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: What was like one thing that you saw there?

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, dang, that's cool.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember like the specific.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: List of things.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a few things like there's decoy detonators that you set off and they like,

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_00]: they walk around and like, you know, detonate, which is a decoy.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: They, uh, they, I don't know if they created this, but they like, I don't know, maybe refined

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: it Peruvian instant darkness powder.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: They have that.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then shield hats is another one that they had.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, the shield hats are cool.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That was like at Hogwarts too.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That was like a carry through of, they did something like that.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I forget what they made, but they had, um, in the last book, they did something like

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that with hats.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it was like a redevelopment of that, but I could be wrong.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was knitting hats.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: The fourth one.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm making it up.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You might be making that up.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I do that a lot.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably somewhere in there, deep in there, but I just don't remember it.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And if I don't remember it, I don't know if it's in there.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't remember it, it's probably not in there.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I've read this book like 30 times.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, those are all cool.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Harry took the, the detonator ones, right?

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he took some improvements in darkness powder.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I would probably take the instant darkness.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like the detonator, you have to be in a specific situation to use it.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like the darkness, you just throw that anywhere.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be kind of cool.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be fun.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to read you two lines and two different questions off of these.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: They had drawn level with the only shop in Nocturn Alley that Harry had ever visited,

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Borgen and Burke's, which sold a wide variety of sinister objects.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_00]: There in the middle of the cases full of skulls and old bottles,

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: stood Draco Malfoy with his back to them,

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: just visible beyond the same very large black cabinet

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: in which Harry had once hidden to avoid Malfoy and his father.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Judging by the movements of Malfoy's hands, he was talking animatedly.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: The proprietor of the shop, Mr. Borgen, an oily-haired stooping man,

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: stood facing Malfoy.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: He was wearing a curious expression of mingled resentment and fear.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You know how to fix it?

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly, said Borgen.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: In a tone that suggested he was unwilling to commit himself.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll need to see it though.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you bring it into the shop?

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't, said Malfoy.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's gotta stay put.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I just need you to tell me how to do it.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: What is he trying to mend?

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought of the ring that Dumbledore has,

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: because that's like broken.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the only thing that was mentioned.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that was broken.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like for this guy to be mending it,

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like it wouldn't be a wand, I don't think,

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's not a wand maker.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not sure.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's something weird.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's something dark, because he's going to Borgen and Burks to do it.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But is it like to do with his mission though?

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

[00:17:12] Maybe.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Blink wand.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about this the other day.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I really can't wait for Lord of the Rings,

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: so I don't have to like gaslight you and like, you know,

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: like say like, I don't know.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It could be.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't be.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: We could just literally have full on discussions about this stuff.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And we could like theorize together.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be great.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait for that.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, there is another line.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, uh, it says no or no.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: No, said Malfoy.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And Harry knew just by his tone that Malfoy was sneering.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps this will make you more confident.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He moved toward Borgen and was blocked from view by the cabinet.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry, Ron, and Hermione shuffled sideways and tried to keep him in sight.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But they all could see what Borgen,

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_00]: but all they could see was Borgen looking very frightened.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_00]: What did Draco show Borgen?

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a dark mark.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But then Harry thought it was a dark mark too.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So then I feel like it's not.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever like, yeah, Harry thinks it's not.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's definitely what I thought in the moment.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that just makes sense to me.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like trying to prove himself as a death eater now, like you should fear me.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that makes sense with why he was like, uh, reacted to the girl touching him.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, because I was like, what if this is like, his mission is like hazing to be a death eater.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, like, like do something crazy.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He's pledging to become a death eater right now.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it could be a dark mark.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I totally feel like Dumbledore.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not Dumbledore.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort would use a teenager.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he would definitely use kids.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He's pretty evil.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He would definitely have like an army of children.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's out of the question.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So he potentially is a death eater now.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause his dad's an Azkaban.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's taken up the mantle.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Ouch.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's that like, I think he would be that bad to be a death eater.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He wants to be.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think?

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's do a real quick character study in the mouth.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they really want to be like, do you think that they're like dead set on being Voldemorts?

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think at one point they really wanted to, but probably given how far the situation has come, they probably want to get out.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think once he rose again, they'd probably be like upset about it.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, oh, now we just have to like serve him again.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause otherwise you're going to get tortured or killed.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think probably mouth like Draco actually probably wants to be a death eater.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Out of the love of his heart for Voldemort.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he seems like he has something to prove to you.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Like a chip on his shoulder or something like that.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know if he, his parents are probably indebted to Voldemort at this point, but I don't know if Draco would like pick up on that.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And he like would see it as a bad thing.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he probably wants to be like a better servant to Voldemort.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of true.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think that's a good assessment of him.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause Crabbe and Goyle's parents are also death eaters.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like the changing of the guard.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, they're the ones that are stepping up now and like, you know, being evil, but they're trying to outdo one another.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: With their evilness.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's just going to be more and more death eaters as it goes on.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it's going to be like a select group of 15 people that are all serving to him.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: There's, we'll see.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: We shall.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Chapter seven is the, the slug club.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Give me a quick summary of this one.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Slug club.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so Dumbledore picks up.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, how does Dumbledore get Harry?

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Where did they come from?

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The burrow?

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: They're at the burrow.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Dumbledore and Harry end up at Slughorn's place.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not the slug club.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: That's previous.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Was that last podcast?

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's for sure.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll cut all this out.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Um.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: This is on the train.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So they're on the train to the school and the slug club is when they, um, Slughorn

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_00]: like invites them into his compartment and he invites like the best and the brightest

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: students.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I read this at like two 45.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So my, uh, speed reading is not sticking.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was, it was like, um, you just got to see Slughorn's character more.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So he invites, um, yeah, yeah.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Zabini.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Zabini because Zabini's mom was a hot.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It was hot.

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Ginny.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_00]: He invited Ginny cause Ginny did a great bat bogey hex or something like that.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Neville, Harry.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And was Neville there?

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Neville was there.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: The Slytherin kids to beanie, right?

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's like two other people.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I think like Montague or someone.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot who exactly who, but the real question, would you want to be part of this little slug

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: club?

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I would, but then I wouldn't be like, I wouldn't have my heart in it, but I would like want

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to see what's happening and I would want him to like me.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'd just be like, oh, but I don't really care.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You got to play it cool.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't really want to be part of this, but secretly you're like, oh, it'd be

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of cool to be part of the elite group.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause we just like, see what's going on, you know?

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's actually a really astute, uh, observation too.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause I mean, out front, if you look at the slug club, you're like, oh, I'm

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_00]: like, it's a little greasy.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like gross.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you know, trying to get these students who are rich and, or who are going

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to be famous.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's just kind of trying to leech onto them for, I guess, like favors or whatever,

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: just like to be in their good graces.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So the whole concept of it is a little icky.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, when you know that cause you know who slughorn is, but at the same time I would definitely

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: want to be a part of this.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a hundred percent.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Like if, if a teacher thinks well of you and thinks you're going to succeed in life and

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: like thinks you're going to do well, who, what student wouldn't want that?

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And if anybody else did it, like if McGonagall did it, you'd be like, you'd be in so fast.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause you'd be like, oh, this is going to set me up.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: This is awesome.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine, imagine if Dumbledore had, did a club like this.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and you got invited to Dumbledore's like dinner with seven people.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And you were one of the seven people in the school that got selected.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh my gosh, dude, this is the teacher's pet.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, just, I mean, he's a Slytherin.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like Harry doesn't like him immediately.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't seem that bad in like the previous chapters, like in his house.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's the good Slytherin.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you know, he's just a little oafish, a little strange, you know, he's okay.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So I will say he's not the perfect prototypical Slytherin, but he is what Slytherin really is.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause like we view Slytherin right now as being evil and like terrible and awful.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm a Slytherin.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So they're ambitious.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: This is why you want to be part of the slug club.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So you don't have the nasty perception, but if people are reading this book up until this

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: point, and this is like one of the biggest qualms that people have is that like all Slytherins

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: are evil.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's not true.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Slughorn is a great Slytherin and he's like, he's, he's attracted to ambition.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: He's attracted to people who are, you know, going to be powerful and like famous.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing necessarily wrong with that.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, um, he's just good at recognizing greatness in people and like helping foster

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a huge, hugely important thing in a person's life.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And especially if you're not, because when I was in fourth grade, this is where all my trauma

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: started.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to make a joke, but I didn't.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're like, Oh, 50 years ago.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, when I was in fourth grade, um, about half the class went off to Gates.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It was gifted and talented, talented education, the gate program.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And I never got to go.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was, I was like, I'm a smart kid.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Why am I not going to Gates?

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and all of these kids scampered off and did their like cool little projects.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And they came back gloating about how smart they were.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm over here sitting there like, you know, just average guy.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember that being devastating to me, not being part of this elite group.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so I, I still remember, like, I think I saw this on like tick tock a few days ago

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: or something like that about how you always, you know, you don't remember like these, all

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: this different stuff that happens in like sports.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't really remember what happens and like major events that happened like last year.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I couldn't tell you who won like, you know, the world series or whatever it is last year,

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: but I could tell you and pinpoint certain people in my life who have like said really meaningful

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and impactful things to me, um, that have like changed his trajectory of my life.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like Slughorn is actually really good at that.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He could probably be a really good character in a lot of people's lives.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Like doing what he's doing.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But I always think like there's hundreds of Slytherins that are not getting

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: written into the book.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like hold out hope that there's like a lot of good Slytherins.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause the main portrayal is like Snape.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Who is like pretty bad.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, they want to be death eaters in my opinion.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, it's kind of skewed.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But I like that headcanon, that headcanon, uh, they might shift here and there.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: There's one thing that Slytherin fans, um, unanimously, unanimously want in the books,

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: in the last book that they didn't get.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And we will talk about that and definitely get there.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm kind of with you.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I wish, I wish, uh, I, in my head, there's like only five bad Slytherins.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of them are just ambitious trying to get best grades in school.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're like, but it seems like all of them are bad.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, what do you think of, okay.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think there?

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of the female characters right now of mainly Hermione and Jenny?

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Jenny.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they're like, um, like she's just going to be like the hot girl.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, and they're just like, she's winding up to that.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, which is kind of annoying.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I think she's like, she has an awesome personality and she's definitely written that

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: in, but then I feel like the overarching thing is just that she's like, like she's hot.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: All the guys want her.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, she is very intelligent.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: She's spunky.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: She's really good at magic.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So I like, I like Jenny.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I like Jenny more than Hermione.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't like Hermione just like irks me.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: She's annoying.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I've, I don't think I've really ever enjoyed like Hermione's personality.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: She's, she's a little annoying.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_00]: She's a little more intense as well.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: When we watch the movies, I think your opinion is going to change a certain characters.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Your opinion will definitely change a Jenny.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and Hermione probably a little bit too.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Hermione is not quite as maniacal and insane in the movies, in the books.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like she's like, this is the line.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, every now and then students would hurt a lot of their compartments to get a

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: better look at him.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_00]: The exception was Cho Chang who darted in her compartment when she saw Harry coming.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: As Harry passed the window, he saw her deep and determined conversation with her friend,

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Marietta, who was wearing a very thick layer of makeup that did, did not entirely obscure

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the odd formation of pimples.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So etched across her face, smirking slightly.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry pushed on like Hermione hex someone so well that she went to St. Mungo's and couldn't

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: get it removed.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Like she has sneak written across her face and acne, but she was going to, that could have

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: killed Harry.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it could have, but that is extreme, dude.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: What if she was just jealous of like Cho and then just like hex her friend to get back

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: at her?

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she didn't, maybe she just hexed her specifically and it wasn't on like the paper.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the side, I like these side theories.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You're coming ahead, Ken, I'm bringing it up.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Cho's a good character.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I like Cho.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Mrs. Weasley, I feel is more calm even though things are chaotic.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Mrs. Weasley is a great, she's one of my favorites in the books.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I love when I read her just cause you know, she's like a very typical mom, like very overprotective,

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: but you can tell how much she loves everyone.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And like she, I really feel like she is doing a lot of the main work here, like of keeping

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: everyone safe, you know, like really nurturing people and taking care of people.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And, um, she's fantastic in this book.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I love her so much.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and I'm the same with Joe, uh, with Cho, Joe, Cho.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I really like her.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wish that, um, her and Harry would give it another shot.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: They're a little bit more mature now.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Their whole relationship was essentially built on the fact that.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Cedric died.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Not ideal.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Not a great start to a relationship.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Tonks is weird.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We have no explanation yet.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So that even comes up in the next chapter, which is after eight, it's Nate victorious.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And we see a little picture of Tonks here.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about Tonks?

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Tonks.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: She's just like sad, I think.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I don't know if it's just cause it's serious death that's affecting her, but they

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: keep being like her hair was normal.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: She looked tired.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, she's allowed to like not have neon pink hair for a day.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You're allowed to have off days.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Goodness gracious.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why she's upset.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then her patronus has changed.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What is up with that?

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I just said, is that trauma?

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, is that a trauma response?

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like suddenly.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's a willing thing?

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Or do you think like you experienced trauma and your patronus just automatically changes?

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause you're, you're like mind is being changed.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I would say it's an unintentional change.

[00:31:54] Okay.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But maybe there's some magic of like, if someone you love dies, you can like adopt their patronus

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: or something.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And like give their patronus a second life.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So is her patronus serious is, I don't know what is her patronus?

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like a horse.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what the chapter are looked like.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's said, I was really speed reading that.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess this is Tonks.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like a dog or something.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Tonks is original was a jackrabbit.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't really know what her current one is.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like a dog.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the closest thing it's like, yeah, it looks like a dog.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: A dog.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: A dog.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So is that serious coming back in?

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: In.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it?

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, is it just serious in dog form?

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_01]: What was serious?

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_01]: His patronus.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we know that?

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Did that happen by the lake?

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so because serious got attacked by the Dementors.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: His was a black German shepherd.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty cool.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: A black German shepherd.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's like, uh, yeah, you just have like a new phase of life.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like something changes and then your patronus changes, but I don't know why Snape felt the

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: need to insult it and be like, the last one was better.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It looks weaker.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, aren't they all the same?

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting discussion about patronuses.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Why does, why would one look weaker than another?

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What is it called when the patronus is a full patronus?

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_00]: A corporeal patronus.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So like that's her corporeal patronus though.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It's still a strong thing.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess there's maybe like radiance about it.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Like one looks stronger than another.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I've heard this chalked up a few different ways too.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't come to like, you know, fully satisfying answer.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I think once I said that maybe it was like less vibrant and less brilliant.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And someone shot me down and said, no, it's like the animal itself.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_00]: How one looks weaker than another.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But if hers used to be a jackrabbit and then hers is now a wolf, I think a wolf is

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit more impressive than a jackrabbit.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's a lot of weird patronus animals anyways.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think mine was like a dolphin or something.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, this is the most average one that everyone has.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's is a dolphin.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't like dolphins.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Talk to, talk to some marine biologists about why dolphins suck.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Your life will be ruined forever.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, on the topic of like character traits.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of hit me when Malfoy was in the train car with, with everyone.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But then with Harry was like, he was being a lot more measured than I think people give

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: him credit for because like he's, he knew something was off.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he saw Harry's shoe and then he heard Harry grunt like when the luggage hit him, but

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: he like held off until he was like alone with Harry.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he attacked him.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, I feel like we think he's much more volatile than he actually is.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, he really thinks things through, but he likes to control the situation.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like he's maturing in that sense of like, he wants to, he knows what he wants

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: to accomplish, but he's like actually doing a better job of getting it done.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Even if that's just like hurting Harry.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But then I felt like he should have taken the invisibility cloak.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been like the cherry on top of his attack, but he missed that.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great characterization.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you really see Draco take some strides and become a lot more mature in this chapter.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: We're just in this, this, this stretch so far of what we've seen from him.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like weirdly becoming a man and why he doesn't take the invisibility cloak baffles

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_00]: me.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause Harry would have been found though.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is like obvious reason one.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Obvious reason one.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I think even to what you're saying, the maturity that he has and how he's able to calculate

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: things.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that he would have been able to keep it.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Draco knows how, I don't know, like the seriousness of how much a invisibility

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_00]: cloak like that is worth.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But Draco grew up in a magical family and magical family.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Like his family is filthy rich and he probably is around some of these weird objects all the

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: time.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure he's saying like, if I steal this and I go into Hogwarts with this invisibility

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_00]: cloak, I'm going to get in trouble from like, you know, Dumbledore and McGonagall.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to get more unwanted attention.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he doesn't seem to want, he seems like he wants to fly under the radar this year.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the other thing was like, he waited till Crab and Goyle were gone.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's not doing it for laughs or attention.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's going to tell the story when he's back at Hogwarts, but it's like totally

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: different.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great point.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Great.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_00]: We got to do more character studies with some of these people.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of Snape?

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, very annoying.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Not enjoying Snape.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's being over the top mean for no reason again.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're alone with Harry.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you could literally just talk about being in the order, but no, you need to just

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: be a jerk.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like him.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He's, he's pretty nasty, but he's not going to be the potions master.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be the dark arts, which I mean, I think it might be worse for Harry because

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_00]: he likes defense.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so true.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That's his favorite class.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to kind of be screwed in that.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Although here's another point.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That position is cursed.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it though?

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_00]: No teacher has lasted for more than years.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: What if Snape's just cursing it?

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is that position cursed?

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause Snape is cursing it until he gets it.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He curses Snape the whole time.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's not cursed.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, uh, it seems like it is.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: What's that?

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: There's like, I feel like there's a term for that.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I also feel like there's a word that like a red herring, but like something like that.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't even know like what he's going to be like as a teacher.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause he's like, I'm assuming he's going to be just as evil and annoying.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But like the fact that he wants to teach this subject, like, I guess he likes it.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's literally the potions master.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no one greater.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think, how do you think Slughorn is going to be as a potions master?

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what even does he have to do with potions?

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Like why that?

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess anybody can just follow a recipe and that'd be that.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I have a slight debate about this.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think everyone can follow a recipe perfectly.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's definitely some things that people, uh, who are exceptional.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like I always equate it to like cooking.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: There's some people who can follow a recipe and there's some people who can cook.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know, they look at a recipe and they're like, oh, I could change this

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and this and make this better in this way.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Snape was kind of like that.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like Slughorn might have, have some of that.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody who's like a potions master can definitely, you know, like crush a recipe.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Crush a potions recipe.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't need a recipe either.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like people just ask him for stuff and he makes it.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like Slughorn is just going to be annoying.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to like be like, Hermione, come to the front of class and like show us your

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_01]: potion.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's definitely going to show favoritism to Harry too.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Because Harry is like the most famous wizard of all time.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But Harry sucks at potions, right?

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he's going to be good now that Snape's gone?

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's no pressure.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was his issue.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, um, Snape would just like ruin his potions half the time.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like, like it wasn't his doing Harry's doing.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But now he has to deal with defense against the dark arts being ruined.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Screw up the whole year with that.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Come on.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Snape.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: What if Snape just like fights with him the whole time and just like duels him?

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Oof.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be brutal.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Just puts him on like blast.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Literally.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Every single day they have to duel until like Harry beats him.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You felt like you were good enough to start your own class.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you come to the front and show me what you got?

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That is something that Snape would do.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: He would bully him to that extent.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Dang, that would kind of, that would kind of suck.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think Snape is so mean?

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it says mommy didn't love him.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like we started to get into that in the last book, like that he's traumatized and bullied.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like you should be able to overcome that.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what his mom's name would be.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_00]: If his, if his name is Severus Snape, I wonder what his mom's name is.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Cruella.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Cruella Snape.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not bad actually.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Cruella DeVille.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Snape's no fun.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, anything else in these chapters?

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, there's not a ton that goes on.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Nope.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to talk about one or right before we end because.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Wand lore?

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's called, Lizzie.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't make me look like an idiot when I'm saying proper terms.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Just clarifying.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I said, let's talk about wand lore.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're looking at me like, wand lore?

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What a nerd.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Proceed.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about wand lore.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, someone gets a new wand in this chapter.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and this is what we, this is the line.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: They're staring at you because you were at the ministry too, said Harry.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_00]: As he hoisted his trunk into the luggage rack, our little adventure there was all over the Daily Prophet.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You must have seen it.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I thought Graham would be angry about all the publicity, said Neville.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But she was really pleased.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Says I'm starting to live up to my dad at long last.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_00]: She bought me a new wand.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Look.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: He pulled out and showed Harry.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Cherry and unicorn hair, he said proudly.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: We think it was one of the last ones Ollivander ever sold.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So he vanished the next day.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Boy, come back here, Trevor.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that Neville is going to be better with a new wand?

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Was his first wand for himself?

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he went to Ollivander and it picked him?

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-mm.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So then, yeah, he's going to be better.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's actually his wand.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But here, here's the conundrum though.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So, he, he is going to the wand shop.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So the, the wand, the wand chooses the wizard.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So the wand selects Neville.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And so this wand is going to work for him.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But will it work better for him than his previous one?

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Because his previous one, it belonged to his dad.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So does a wand passed down have more power than a wand that chooses you?

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Like start from fresh and start from scratch.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a start from scratch wand where it chooses you is more powerful than a passed

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: down wand.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Even if a ton of powerful magic happened between like your wand and your dad, I still feel like

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: there's some power in like the wand picking you.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause like what happened to James Potter's wand or like Sirius's wand?

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great question.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't really know where their wands are or what happened to him.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Sirius's wand went with him to the underworld, whatever it was.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_00]: To the after world.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Behind the veil.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Beyond the veil.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It seemed to have gone with them beyond the veil.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the same thing, like what happened to Lily and James's wand?

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure wizards probably have, they probably have to have some kind of like wand ceremony

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: when the person dies.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause could it potentially be dangerous?

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what we know about wands at this point is vague in general.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's that the wand chooses the wizard.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That's essentially all we know.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's something weird behind that.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We're like, okay, what is really going on with the wand is choosing the wizard?

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But can a wand choose a new owner?

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you thrift a wand?

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what you're saying?

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for real.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And like the other thing is that wands, they have like a memory bank that you can pull

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: out old spells from.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like if you have a used wand and you have the capacity to pull out the old

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: spells, like that's dangerous.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like wands probably should be destroyed when their owner dies.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not like we're not like.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Or like bury it with them.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like repurpose it, figure out a way to like take the core out and swap things.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, like switch things around, like make it a little shorter.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Like put it in some, like propagate it, make it grow little shoots.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Plant it and just become a wand tree.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's how you get wand trees is you just plant a wand.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, I kind of like that actually.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I like that idea.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, instead of planting a tree, like a seed at someone's grave, you plant like

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: a wand and it grows into a tree and then that's what wand trees are.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like that little headcanon right there.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of sick.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of a bouquet at the gravestone, you just plant their wand.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: That's cute.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of love that.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Wands are very mystical.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like in their own category.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause it seems like they have some kind of like awareness almost.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the fact that they're like, I don't know, they're not choosing per se, but there's

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: a certain like fit when they find their, their next master.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The gloves got to fit in some way.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_00]: One lore again is a weird subject, but especially with all of an or gone.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I think these chapters are kind of forcing you to think about that in some way.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Neville got his new wand.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, maybe the question is, will he be better now than he was before?

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Or will he be worse?

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Because maybe he doesn't, maybe like one power doubles when you know, you hand it down or

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_00]: something like that.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Or, uh, yeah.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So, but did Ron improve when he got his better wand?

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of just remained the same.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_00]: His was a little, yeah, that's a, that's actually a fascinating question.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would chalk that up to him being a little too young.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's in his second year and his first year, he literally like, doesn't even do magic.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, hold on one.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And his second year it just breaks and he doesn't really have any practice with it.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So he could have been really good with it maybe in the end of his educational career,

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_00]: but we just never got to see him be established with his prior wand.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Neville's a little bit different.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of fumbling and he's kind of like not great with it.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe if he turns around and is an incredible wizard now, we can chalk it up to the wand.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's all we got.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else?

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We covered it.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Give me a hot tamale from this chapter.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, hot tamale, the random or set accompany the crowd.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: The bodyguard.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of respect that.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Those are kind of hot tamales.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say Jenny, but I think Jenny, I, I kind of have a, I'm with you.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Jenny's, uh, becoming like an eight girl, but I'm not the biggest fan of that.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like she's actually becoming a little mean.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Like when you become the it person, you like, feel like you can do anything.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, so she, he's like, she's mean to Ron all the time.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know, it's a sibling rivalry.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So you can kind of be mean to each other, but I don't know.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_00]: She, she's like cool, but she's like flirting a line of being a mean girl.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I'm going to give my hot tamale to Neville.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_00]: My forever, my forever hot tamale.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That was like not what I was expecting.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Solely for the fact that he seems a little more confident and he's like his grand is pleased with them.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's like, you know, it seems, it seems like he's getting on a better trajectory here.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Fred and George are my hot tamales.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, that's a good one.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause they're like really thriving in life right now.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they really, they really are.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_00]: In the middle of war too.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like thriving.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: They got those magenta robes on.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, thanks for joining us on our journey of Harry Potter and the second time reader.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: See ya.