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Chapter 25 - The Seer Overheard

Harry found himself newly and happily impervious to gossip over the next few weeks. After all, it made a very nice change to be talked about because of something that was making him happier than he could remember being for a very long time, rather than because he had been involved in horrific scenes of Dark Magic.

Q1 - What is the happiest you’ve been in recent memory?

“Well, why not? Harry, there aren’t any real princes in the Wizarding world! It’s either a nickname, a made-up title somebody’s given themselves, or it could be their actual name, couldn’t it? No, listen! If, say, her father was a wizard whose surname was Prince, and her mother was a Muggle, then that would make her a ‘halfblood Prince’!”

Q2 - Could Hermione be right here?

“The headmaster has intimated that he would prefer fewer visits from me,” she said coldly. “I am not one to press my company upon those who do not value it. If Dumbledore chooses to ignore the warnings the cards show —” Her bony hand closed suddenly around Harry’s wrist. “Again and again, no matter how I lay them out —” And she pulled a card dramatically from underneath her shawls. “— the lightning-struck tower,” she whispered. “Calamity. Disaster. Coming nearer all the time . . .”

Q3 - What is she talking about here?

I must confess that, at first, I thought he seemed ill-disposed toward Divination . . . and I remember I was starting to feel a little odd, I had not eaten much that day . . . but then . . .” And now Harry was paying attention properly for the first time, for he knew what had happened then: Professor Trelawney had made the prophecy that had altered the course of his whole life, the prophecy about him and Voldemort. “. . . but then we were rudely interrupted by Severus Snape!”
It was Snape who had overheard the prophecy. It was Snape who had carried the news of the prophecy to Voldemort. Snape and Peter Pettigrew together had sent Voldemort hunting after Lily and James and their son. . . .

Q4 - What do you think about Snape interrupting?

Q5 - Why did Dumbledore hire Snape?

“Professor Snape made a terrible mistake. He was still in Lord Voldemort’s employ on the night he heard the first half of Professor Trelawney’s prophecy. Naturally, he hastened to tell his master what he had heard, for it concerned his master most deeply. But he did not know — he had no possible way of knowing — which boy Voldemort would hunt from then onward, or that the parents he would destroy in his murderous quest were people that Professor Snape knew, that they were your mother and father —” “You have no idea of the remorse Professor Snape felt when he realized how Lord Voldemort had interpreted the prophecy, Harry. I believe it to be the greatest regret of his life and the reason that he returned —” “But he’s a very good Occlumens, isn’t he, sir?” said Harry, whose voice was shaking with the effort of keeping it steady. “And isn’t Voldemort convinced that Snape’s on his side, even now? Professor . . . how can you be sure Snape’s on our side?” Dumbledore did not speak for a moment; he looked as though he was trying to make up his mind about something. At last he said, “I am sure. I trust Severus Snape completely.”

Q6 - Why does he trust Snape? And why does he say Snape regrets it?

“I . . . they’re up to something!” said Harry, and his hands curled into fists as he said it. “Professor Trelawney was just in the Room of Requirement, trying to hide her sherry bottles, and she heard Malfoy whooping, celebrating! He’s trying to mend something dangerous in there and if you ask me, he’s fixed it at last and you’re about to just walk out of school without —” “Enough,” said Dumbledore. He said it quite calmly, and yet Harry fell silent at once; he knew that he had finally crossed some invisible line. “Do you think that I have once left the school unprotected during my absences this year? I have not. Tonight, when I leave, there will again be additional protection in place. Please do not suggest that I do not take the safety of my students seriously, Harry.”

Q7 - What did Draco just do?

“If I tell you to hide, you will do so?” “Yes.” “If I tell you to flee, you will obey?” “Yes.” “If I tell you to leave me and save yourself, you will do as I tell you? “I —” “Harry?” They looked at each other for a moment. “Yes, sir.”

Q8 - Is this stuff actually going to happen?

“No!” said Hermione, as Ron unwrapped the tiny little bottle of golden potion, looking awestruck. “We don’t want it, you take it, who knows what you’re going to be facing?” “I’ll be fine, I’ll be with Dumbledore,” said Harry. “I want to know you lot are okay. . . . Don’t look like that, Hermione, I’ll see you later. . . .”
Harry turned. At once, there was that horrible sensation that he was being squeezed through a thick rubber tube; he could not draw breath, every part of him was being compressed almost past endurance and then, just when he thought he must suffocate, the invisible bands seemed to burst open, and he was standing in cool darkness, breathing in lungfuls of fresh, salty air.

Q9 - What is going to happen in the cave?

Chapter 26 - The Cave

He was standing upon a high outcrop of dark rock, water foaming and churning below him. He glanced over his shoulder. A towering cliff stood behind them, a sheer drop, black and faceless. A few large chunks of rock, such as the one upon which Harry and Dumbledore were standing, looked as though they had broken away from the cliff face at some point in the past. It was a bleak, harsh view, the sea and the rock unrelieved by any tree or sweep of grass or sand. “What do you think?” asked Dumbledore. He might have been asking Harry’s opinion on whether it was a good site for a picnic.

Q1 - What do you think of Dumbledore and Harry’s interactions?

I imagine that Riddle climbed down; magic would have served better than ropes. And he brought two small children with him, probably for the pleasure of terrorizing them. I think the journey alone would have done it, don’t you?”

Q2 - Shouldn’t Riddle have been found out with underage magic? What happened here?

“Yes, this is the place,” said Dumbledore. “How can you tell?” Harry spoke in a whisper. “It has known magic,” said Dumbledore simply….“Here,” he said. “We go on through here. The entrance is concealed.” Harry did not ask how Dumbledore knew. He had never seen a wizard work things out like this, simply by looking and touching; but Harry had long since learned that bangs and smoke were more often the marks of ineptitude than expertise.

Q3 - How do you sense magic?

Q4 - How good of a wizard is Dumbledore?

“You are very kind, Harry,” said Dumbledore, now passing the tip of his wand over the deep cut he had made in his own arm, so that it healed instantly, just as Snape had healed Malfoy’s wounds. “But your blood is worth more than mine. Ah, that seems to have done the trick, doesn’t it?
Harry had not expected this, but cleared his throat and said loudly, wand aloft, “Accio Horcrux!” With a noise like an explosion, something very large and pale erupted out of the dark water some twenty feet away; before Harry could see what it was, it had vanished again with a crashing splash that made great, deep ripples on the mirrored surface. Harry leapt backward in shock and hit the wall; his heart was still thundering as he turned to Dumbledore. “What was that?” “Something, I think, that is ready to respond should we attempt to seize the Horcrux.” Harry looked back at the water. The surface of the lake was once more shining black glass: The ripples had vanished unnaturally fast; Harry’s heart, however, was still pounding.

Q5 - How chilling is this?

“I do not think you will count, Harry: You are underage and unqualified. Voldemort would never have expected a sixteen-year-old to reach this place: I think it unlikely that your powers will register compared to mine.” These words did nothing to raise Harry’s morale; perhaps Dumbledore knew it, for he added, “Voldemort’s mistake, Harry, Voldemort’s mistake . . . Age is foolish and forgetful when it underestimates youth. . . . Now, you first this time, and be careful not to touch the water.”
And then Harry saw it, marble white, floating inches below the surface. “Professor!” he said, and his startled voice echoed loudly over the silent water. “Harry?” “I think I saw a hand in the water — a human hand!” “Yes, I am sure you did,” said Dumbledore calmly. Harry stared down into the water, looking for the vanished hand, and a sick feeling rose in his throat. “So that thing that jumped out of the water — ?” But Harry had his answer before Dumbledore could reply; the wandlight had slid over a fresh patch of water and showed him, this time, a dead man lying faceup inches beneath the surface, his open eyes misted as though with cobwebs, his hair and his robes swirling around him like smoke.

Q6 - What do you think about Voldemort’s protections?

Q7 - Who’s bodies are these?

“There is nothing to be feared from a body, Harry, any more than there is anything to be feared from the darkness. Lord Voldemort, who of course secretly fears both, disagrees. But once again he reveals his own lack of wisdom. It is the unknown we fear when we look upon death and darkness, nothing more.”
“Lord Voldemort would not want to kill the person who reached this island.” Harry couldn’t believe it. Was this more of Dumbledore’s insane determination to see good in everyone? “Sir,” said Harry, trying to keep his voice reasonable, “sir, this is Voldemort we’re —” “I’m sorry, Harry; I should have said, he would not want to immediately kill the person who reached this island,” Dumbledore corrected himself. “He would want to keep them alive long enough to find out how they managed to penetrate so far through his defenses and, most importantly of all, why they were so intent upon emptying the basin. Do not forget that Lord Voldemort believes that he alone knows about his Horcruxes.”

Q8 - Who else knows?

“Undoubtedly,” he said, finally, “this potion must act in a way that will prevent me taking the Horcrux. It might paralyze me, cause me to forget what I am here for, create so much pain I am distracted, or render me incapable in some other way. This being the case, Harry, it will be your job to make sure I keep drinking, even if you have to tip the potion into my protesting mouth. You understand?” Their eyes met over the basin, each pale face lit with that strange, green light. Harry did not speak. Was this why he had been invited along — so that he could force-feed Dumbledore a potion that might cause him unendurable pain? “You remember,” said Dumbledore, “the condition on which I brought you with me?” Harry hesitated, looking into the blue eyes that had turned green in the reflected light of the basin. “But what if — ?” “You swore, did you not, to follow any command I gave you?” “Yes, but —” “I warned you, did I not, that there might be danger?” “Yes,” said Harry, “but —” “Well, then,” said Dumbledore, shaking back his sleeves once more and raising the empty goblet, “you have my orders.” “Why can’t I drink the potion instead?” asked Harry desperately. “Because I am much older, much cleverer, and much less valuable,” said Dumbledore. “Once and for all, Harry, do I have your word that you will do all in your power to make me keep drinking?” “Couldn’t — ?” “Do I have it?” “But —” “Your word, Harry.” “I — all right, but —” Before Harry could make any further protest, Dumbledore lowered the crystal goblet into the potion. For a split second, Harry hoped that he would not be able to touch the potion with the goblet, but the crystal sank into the surface as nothing else had; when the glass was full to the brim, Dumbledore lifted it to his mouth. “Your good health, Harry.”

Q9 - Should Harry have drunk this?

And obediently, Dumbledore drank, as though it was an antidote Harry offered him, but upon draining the goblet, he sank to his knees, shaking uncontrollably. “It’s all my fault, all my fault,” he sobbed. “Please make it stop, I know I did wrong, oh please make it stop and I’ll never, never again . . .” Dumbledore began to cower as though invisible torturers surrounded him; his flailing hand almost knocked the refilled goblet from Harry’s trembling hands as he moaned, “Don’t hurt them, don’t hurt them, please, please, it’s my fault, hurt me instead . . .”

Q10 - What is Dumbledore seeing here?

“Drink this, Professor. Drink this. . . .” Dumbledore drank, and no sooner had he finished than he yelled, “KILL ME!” “This — this one will!” gasped Harry. “Just drink this . . . It’ll be over . . . all over!” Dumbledore gulped at the goblet, drained every last drop, and then, with a great, rattling gasp, rolled over onto his face. “No!” shouted Harry, who had stood to refill the goblet again; instead he dropped the cup into the basin, flung himself down beside Dumbledore, and heaved him over onto his back; Dumbledore’s glasses were askew, his mouth agape, his eyes closed. “No,” said Harry, shaking Dumbledore, “no, you’re not dead, you said it wasn’t poison, wake up, wake up — Rennervate!” he cried, his wand pointing at Dumbledore’s chest; there was a flash of red light but nothing happened. “Rennervate — sir — please —” Dumbledore’s eyelids flickered; Harry’s heart leapt. “Sir, are you — ?” “Water,” croaked Dumbledore.
The goblet filled and emptied once more. And now Dumbledore’s breathing was fading. His brain whirling in panic, Harry knew, instinctively, the only way left to get water, because Voldemort had planned it so . . .

Q11 - How sick is Voldemort?

Q12 - Could you have done what Harry is doing?

And pulling Dumbledore’s uninjured arm around his shoulders, Harry guided his headmaster back around the lake, bearing most of his weight. “The protection was . . . after all . . . well-designed,” said Dumbledore faintly. “One alone could not have done it. . . . You did well, very well, Harry. . . .”
“It’s going to be all right, sir,” Harry said over and over again, more worried by Dumbledore’s silence than he had been by his weakened voice. “We’re nearly there. . . . I can Apparate us both back. . . . Don’t worry. . . .” “I am not worried, Harry,” said Dumbledore, his voice a little stronger despite the freezing water. “I am with you.”

Q13 - How intense was this chapter?

Q14 - If the cave was protected like this, was it the same for the Gaunt shack and all the other horcruxes?

Chapter 27 - The Lightning Struck Tower

“What has happened?” asked Dumbledore. “Rosmerta, what’s wrong?” “The — the Dark Mark, Albus.” And she pointed into the sky, in the direction of Hogwarts. Dread flooded Harry at the sound of the words. . . . He turned and looked. There it was, hanging in the sky above the school: the blazing green skull with a serpent tongue, the mark Death Eaters left behind whenever they had entered a building . . . wherever they had murdered. . . .

Q1 - Dumbledore is exhausted here, what’s the tiredest you’ve ever been?

Harry hurried over to the door leading to the spiral staircase, but his hand had only just closed upon the iron ring of the door when he heard running footsteps on the other side. He looked around at Dumbledore, who gestured him to retreat. Harry backed away, drawing his wand as he did so. The door burst open and somebody erupted through it and shouted, “Expelliarmus!” Harry’s body became instantly rigid and immobile, and he felt himself fall back against the tower wall, propped like an unsteady statue, unable to move or speak. He could not understand how it had happened — Expelliarmus was not a Freezing Charm — Then, by the light of the Mark, he saw Dumbledore’s wand flying in an arc over the edge of the ramparts and understood. . . . Dumbledore had wordlessly immobilized Harry, and the second he had taken to perform the spell had cost him the chance of defending himself.

Q2 - Why did Dumbledore do this to Harry?

Q3 - What do you think of Draco disarming Dumbledore?

Draco Malfoy did nothing but stare at Albus Dumbledore, who, incredibly, smiled. “Draco, Draco, you are not a killer.” “How do you know?” said Malfoy at once.
“But why? I don’t think you will kill me, Draco. Killing is not nearly as easy as the innocent believe. . . . So tell me, while we wait for your friends . . . how did you smuggle them in here? It seems to have taken you a long time to work out how to do it.”

Q4 - What do you think of Dumbledore’s attitude here?

“I tried, Draco. Professor Snape has been keeping watch over you on my orders —” “He hasn’t been doing your orders, he promised my mother —” “Of course that is what he would tell you, Draco, but —” “He’s a double agent, you stupid old man, he isn’t working for you, you just think he is!” “We must agree to differ on that, Draco. It so happens that I trust Professor Snape —” “Well, you’re losing your grip, then!” sneered Malfoy.

Q5 - How much does it hurt to hear these words?

“Someone’s dead,” said Malfoy, and his voice seemed to go up an octave as he said it. “One of your people . . . I don’t know who, it was dark. . . . I stepped over the body. . . . I was supposed to be waiting up here when you got back, only your Phoenix lot got in the way. . . .”

Q6 - Has someone actually died?

“Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine. What is more, I can send members of the Order to your mother tonight to hide her likewise. Your father is safe at the moment in Azkaban. . . . When the time comes, we can protect him too. Come over to the right side, Draco . . . you are not a killer. . . .” Malfoy stared at Dumbledore. “But I got this far, didn’t I?” he said slowly. “They thought I’d die in the attempt, but I’m here . . . and you’re in my power. . . . I’m the one with the wand. . . . You’re at my mercy. . . .” “No, Draco,” said Dumbledore quietly. “It is my mercy, and not yours, that matters now.”

Q7 - Is Malfoy redeemable?

“We’ve got a problem, Snape,” said the lumpy Amycus, whose eyes and wand were fixed alike upon Dumbledore, “the boy doesn’t seem able —” But somebody else had spoken Snape’s name, quite softly. “Severus . . .” The sound frightened Harry beyond anything he had experienced all evening. For the first time, Dumbledore was pleading. Snape said nothing, but walked forward and pushed Malfoy roughly out of the way. The three Death Eaters fell back without a word. Even the werewolf seemed cowed. Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face. “Severus . . . please . . .” Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore. “Avada Kedavra!”

Q8 - How evil is Snape?

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[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is Harry Potter and the First Time Reader? Good. It's different every time. Lizzie is taking over the podcast, everyone. She is making me... I am here against my will.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to follow the rules. I wear the pants in this podcast. You do, you do.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Chatter 26. We are into three of my favorite chapters in the entire series. Or maybe not. I've said this before, but maybe not my three favorite, but the three that I remember maybe the most when I was reading the series for the first time.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Because they were just... Oh, like I was gripping my freaking chair when I was reading it. It was so good.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I remembered it a little bit. Like we had that moment off podcast when I was like, I remember like underground and there's water. Like that's the cave. So yeah.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why I didn't put that together that like a Horcrux would be in the cave, but there it is.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I know. It was fun to see you piece that together because it was again like the synapses were firing, but they finally landed on something. So I didn't want to say, but it was the next chapter when we were in the cave.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But before that, let's talk about 25, which is the seer overheard. So can you give me a very quick summary of this chapter?

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Basically Trelawney is outside of the room requirement and Harry bumps into her.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And she says that she heard somebody yelling in there and he's like, Harry puts it together that oh Malfoy has like solved his problem, fixed whatever he was trying to fix.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he goes runs a Dumbledore and then Dumbledore was like, oh, we're actually going to go find the Horcrux.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So but there also is another issue in this chapter when he learns who overheard Trelawney.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why he was marching off Dumbledore's office because he was furious and Dumbledore is just like, relax. We have an assignment tonight. You have to be focused.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So he tables that whole discussion. That's a really important discussion.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: That's wild. I know. I feel like he could have given him some time to sit there and talk it through. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So like is Snape the reason then that this whole prophecy is being fulfilled? Like because Snape.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably. Yeah.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't put Voldemort on the idea.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, like that's a fascinating question.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the fate question because would Trelawney have given the prophecy had Snape and not been outside the door hearing the prophecy?

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I guess so.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But if she did, then would it have really had any significance?

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Because Voldemort and his followers probably wouldn't have known about anything and would just continued on their way.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, wouldn't she just give the prophecy and then it just like die in the vault thing?

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So like if Snape wasn't around to hear it, it's like if a tree falls in the woods and no one's around here, it doesn't make a noise.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_00]: No one knows. I know. No one knows.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Because if Dumbledore heard that he's probably not going to blab about it.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You might just go lock it up and like that prophecy doesn't come to fruition.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it does in some indirect way. I don't know.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But like I think it wouldn't even Dumbledore would be interested in it, but he wouldn't know that it was going to be Neville or Harry.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That's like kind of random at that point of like giving the prophecy.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. And then also didn't she say that or somebody said Snape only heard the first part of the prophecy and not the last part.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And isn't the last part where it's like that's the important part.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, neither can live while the other survives.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what the first part of it again.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_00]: The one who approaches the dark or the one who approaches has the power to vanquish the Dark Lord and he shall have powers.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: The Dark Lord knows not and Dark Lord will mark him as equal.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that in a second.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I love that you just know that off the top of your head.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I read this numerous times.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So that was like a whole paragraph.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was like three senses.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think we have the rest of the have the prophecy in this chapter.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I might be wrong about that.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll read mine. That's why I needed her.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, in the beginning, though, in this chapter, Harry talks about how he says Harry found himself newly and happily impervious to gossip over the next few weeks.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: After all, it had made a very nice change.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about because something that was making him happier than you can remember being for a very long time rather than rather than because he had been involved in a horrific scene of dark magic.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's happy because he's dating Jenny.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: What's the happiest that you've been in recent memory?

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, extremely happy or like mundane happy?

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I got a lemonade today and I was like, this is so perfect right now.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I love that.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great answer.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes just like a little simple lemonade hits.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I love lemonade.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a lemonade girl.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like I haven't done many exciting things recently.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's all right.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I was happy to go watch Lord of the Rings.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That was such a fun one.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you actually.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe in recent memory.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to think about this too and I was like, I hope she doesn't ask me this question because I don't really have a super, super happy memory in recent weeks.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Hawaii was fun.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Where it's overjoyed.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that was pretty dope.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's like, yeah, there's mundane happy.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: There's like happy and day to day random situations.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's like your heart wants to explode kind of happiness that Harry is experiencing here.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't remember the last time I experienced that.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my heart hasn't exploded recently.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We need more of that.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: We need more heart exploding happiness in this room right now.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of tragic.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's all right.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so there's a few other things.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: There is one.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they have a discussion about who the Half-Blood Prince is.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And before we do anything else, I just want to ask you who you think the Half-Blood Prince is.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sticking with Snape.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You're sticking with Snape?

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: This girl that Hermione is suggesting, I was like, absolutely not.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Really?

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So dumb.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's your leading candidate.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Even though with Draco, he didn't really realize what Harry was doing.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: What do you mean?

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Because he like shouldn't have if Snape knows that Harry has his book, which is the Half-Blood Prince's book.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Why did Snape not like reveal that and be like, give me the book that I left in the potions classroom right now.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Like why do you think you can get away with this?

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe because he knew that Dumbledore was going to die in a few days and then he could just like kill Harry later.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like he was preoccupied with other things, maybe.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just there's so many little hints that are pointing to it being Snape, especially the fact that he gives it's like giving your potions book.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Like that to me, I was like, why would he know that?

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, maybe, maybe.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see soon.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's like he's the only one that would know it's in that book.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, adding on to that, there's another line that we have here where it says the headmaster has intimated that he would prefer fewer visits for me, she said coldly.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not one to press my company upon those who do not value it.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: If Dumbledore chooses to ignore the warnings, the cards show her bony hand closed around Harry's wrist again and again, no matter how I lay them out.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And she pulled the card dramatically from underneath her shawls.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The lightning struck tower, she whispered, calamity disaster coming near all the time.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So that was right.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That was right.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: She nailed it.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Is she sure she's here?

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to keep revisiting this, but yes, the answer is yes.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Just go with it.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I thought that too.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh no, here we go.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: She's right again.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to milk this.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: What did you so when she's actually giving the real prophecy, which is like the one that Dumbledore, what do you think about the reveal that Snape was the one listening at the door?

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I was so surprised.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Really?

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I didn't put it together as fast as Harry, like what that meant.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, no way, Snape's there.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Harry was like, he's the reason my parents are dead.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Huh?

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't put that together because I guess I just thought that Voldemort would find out some other way and not just have a direct report.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I don't know.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Two other questions on Snape.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Why would Dumbledore hire Snape?

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Dumbledore talks about how this is the biggest regret of Snape's life.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is it a big regret of his life?

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of feel like for Snape, it would be like selfishly the biggest regret of his life.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he did.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he hurt other people, but I feel like for his own sake, he's like, how can I do this to myself?

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm in such a mess.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's very Snape's ego.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I kind of see that actually.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think because like how could you get yourself in that situation where now you have to like serve the Dark Lord and you're kind of like Dumbledore's slave and you're living in danger?

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So I wait, what did you ask me?

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Why did Dumbledore hire Snape too in the first place?

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Like if all this terrible stuff had happened, if he was listening at the door, why the heck would Snape be a teacher at Hogwarts?

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He was. Wait, he got hired after he overheard the prophecy, right?

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But then he also hired Trelawney.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. Why did he hire both of them?

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_04]: He hired Trelawney because she's a true seer.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes!

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And he knew that and he wanted that in Hogwarts.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I guess I feel like he hired Snape to keep an eye on him.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe like pull him back to the good side.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Because even at the tower, he was like trying to convince Draco like you don't have to do this. We can hide you. We can hide your mom.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Like we'll get your dad as soon as he's out of Azkaban.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm wondering if there was like some negotiation with Snape too like immediately.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Like look, I just saw this. I know you're going to go tell Voldemort.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I can cut you a deal. You can live at Hogwarts.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's no way that would have happened though, because then who would have told Voldemort all this?

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Because Voldemort knows half the prophecy.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I'm saying he told Voldemort and then Dumbledore just.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then after.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Because Dumbledore is okay with stuff like that. I don't know.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. All right.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: But Dumbledore would also just be like, oh, it's written in the stars.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it wouldn't happen anyway.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you whether or not it was you. I don't know.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about that because Dumbledore himself doesn't really even believe in the prophecy.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: In the prophecy.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't really take it as hard facts because the only reason he believes in the prophecy is because

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Because Harry is the one that's going to take action for this.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think in the previous book or maybe on the one before, or I think the previous one,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: They talk about how he asked Harry if the prophecy matters and Harry's like, no, I still want to kill Voldemort if the prophecy didn't even exist.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think for Dumbledore, it doesn't even matter.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a moot point about the prophecy.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, they just have to destroy Voldemort.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So whether the prophecy is right or wrong, I think Dumbledore doesn't really care about that.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Although there is another line that Dumbledore says.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, no, we'll skip over that because we kind of know the next chapter, which is the cave, which we'll jump into that in a second.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But were you surprised of Harry giving the Felix Felicis to other people on the end of the chapter?

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I felt like I saw that coming.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I was surprised more at the fact that he was like sending them on this mission without really knowing what he was sending them to do.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But then also they don't know it.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, that's dangerous, especially seeing later that it's Death Eaters in the school.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I still don't know what happened to those people at this point.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, I hope none of them died.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like maybe the dark mark is there.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: They walked over a dead body.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. Yeah, like if somebody's lying on the stairwell, as soon as I read the next chapter, I'm going to be so mad.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: But that felt really irresponsible, but they just blindly trusted him.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But then that's exactly what Harry was doing a Dumbledore to.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, whatever.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I kind of love this chapter because there is just blind trust in each other.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Like they know what they're doing or maybe they don't know what they're doing, but they still have faith and have trust in each other.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like there is even the one section which is and we'll refresh back to this when we're in the cave chapter.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But the line is no said Hermione as Ron unwrapped a tiny little bottle of golden potion looking awestruck.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want it. You take it.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows what's going on? Who knows what you're going to be facing?

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be fine. I'll be with Dumbledore, said Harry.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to know. I want to know that you lot are OK.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't look like that, Hermione. I'll see you later.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, that was a crazy goodbye.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I know. Seriously.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like he knows. But he's not he knows he's going to be with Dumbledore.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's OK, which gets rehashed in the next chapter, which is what we'll do now.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Go go to right now because that's a I want to refresh that line.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Hold that in your memory. Give me a quick summary of the cave.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Dumbledore and Harry go to the cave that Voldemort tortured those two kids in a long time ago.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they find this horcrux at the bottom of a lake full of inferior.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_04]: In fear, I. Yep.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: OK. And then they Dumbledore drinks this potion thing and basically is like incapacitated.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. And then he is saved by Harry.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. What are your general impressions on this chapter?

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Dumbledore had definitely been to the cave before and figured it all out

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and then came back and got Harry. Really? Yeah.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like pretty sure because he's like, oh, this is this is where it is.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: This feels right. So and he's like, oh, looks like we have to drink it.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like lucky I have another person to carry me home.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you think that he had to that he drank it before this?

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I was like, I don't think this is right, but I feel like he stuck his hand in it and destroyed his hand.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's crazy.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't like now they can't even touch it.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm assuming the magic is constant, like every visit is the same.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think he probably got far enough in his mind where like he could get the boat because the potions after the boat.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Yeah. So he probably got to the little island and was like, oh, dang, I need somebody else to help me.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You got to drink it. And then he made this whole plan because I'm convinced that Snape knew that he was going there with Harry

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_04]: because he was like, we need Snape. We need Severus. Severus. Severus. He's going to save us.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_04]: He has a potion for me. So I'm convinced that Snape was in on this from the beginning,

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: like twiddling his thumbs waiting for them to come back so he could get Dumbledore some like antidote thing.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's why I was so freaking shocked when he runs up the stairs and kills him.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like screaming. I was like, what is happening?

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know where the murdering Dumbledore comes in this plan.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm hoping that they both decided like the phoenix will save Dumbledore.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He still thinks it was part of his plan? That he just did murder him in cold blood?

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I just feel like I am in the denial stage.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, well, maybe Dumbledore did make a Horcrux.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe Dumbledore is not dead. Maybe the Phoenix is going to come save him and like, you know, like swoop up and be beautiful.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I'm very much in denial that Dumbledore is gone.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But this is a wild take on this chapter.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I am so convinced like I would die on this hill that Dumbledore was in the cave before and that he told Snape everything.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, the two options are one that he was in the cave before and he like took his time and figured all this out.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Or two that he is just a beyond brilliant wizard that can sense magic.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And we've never seen that before.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So it somewhat makes sense that he went to the cave before and scoped everything out and acted like he had never seen this before.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So, like, he introduces Harry to all this.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't feel like he was acting like he didn't see it before, though.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was. Really?

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: When he's like looking around and he's like touching the wall in certain places and he's like, oh, this place contains known magic.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I just thought he was still like working through all the same spells.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it resets every time. It's not like you just like leave the doors unlocked.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so he's just like trying to find. Yeah. OK.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting interpretation.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He was rummaging around for the perfect place in the rock and he's like, oh, yeah, this is where it was.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he grabs the chain.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: See, this is why this is so fascinating because I had never thought about that before.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But now I'm curious how many people out there actually think that Dumbledore had been there before.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And he was just guiding Harry through his first time experience.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I think he did it and then he could only get so far.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, maybe he realized that somebody has to die.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And Dumbledore would be the person that'd be like, I'll drink the potion.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to kill anybody. So so he doesn't want to take like McGonagall with him or something.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And then at the same time, he's like preparing Harry because this is like a big coming of age moment, I think, because Dumbledore is like, you're a great wizard.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You have it in you. And then he's fully relying on Harry to save him at the end of this.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know. I just just.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So there was a task to complete for this Horcrux was Dumbledore.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Did Dumbledore need another person to get the ring?

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And was that a solo task that he can complete completely by himself?

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he went to the cave thinking he could do it by himself, but he couldn't.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why he lumped in Harry or was the ring just like he actually needed another person?

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And is there another person? Yeah. What do you mean?

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Like not the locket right now. You're just saying.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Because the lockets at the bottom of the lake.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: No, the lock is not at the bottom of the lake. Yeah, it is.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: That's just what they grabbed. Oh, the lockets in the cup.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Wait, wait. The lockets in what cup? In the cup that Dumbledore just drank.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so yeah, there was like, OK, so there's a basin and the locket was in the bottom and they had to drink all the liquid.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. The ring is gone.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the ring is gone. So you're saying in like previous Horcrux?

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. I don't know.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like he probably did alone. That's why he left Hogwarts all the time.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting. OK. But different tasks require different things.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So is each Horcrux going to require some kind of task?

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you got to get through the magic. That alone is a task.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. OK. I'm assuming.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm assuming you still have to destroy it, which another part of me is like that's why Dumbledore can't be dead because he still has the locket on him.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He just got blown off this building.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_04]: What? Right. I don't.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, Dumbledore still has a locket on it. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_04]: OK. Now you're like making me think I read everything wrong.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So Dumbledore gets blown off this building, but he's you still think he's alive.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the next chapter. Let's get to the cave because there's a lot that happens in the cave.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We are in the cave. I know this is the next chapter when he is blown off the lightning struck tower.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. I'm just saying I think he had it all planned out.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: This is wild if he has this all planned out.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: How would he not have it planned out? There's no way he's just like taking Harry into the unknown like that.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, yeah. So I'm saying let's say the cave part is planned.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I can get behind that to some extent that he like Dumbledore at least to some extent has been maybe right outside the cave and like knows where to go and knows what to do.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He's found another spot and he wants here to go with him.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So they go to this cave and then he has everything else planned out after that.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: When he gets back, maybe his like you said, his plan was probably for Snape to have some kind of antidote ready.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. But the plan doesn't go according to plan.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because Rosmurta was imperious and everything went to crap.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Everything went to crap. And like I'm sure he wasn't expecting Draco to come up with all his Death Eater buddies.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_04]: No. Yeah, I think he was totally surprised by that for sure.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So, oh man, so many questions for the next chapter too.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I am actually like legitimately shocked that you think he's been there before because it's never been my read that has like I've very I don't know if I've ever encountered someone who thinks he's been there before.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Really? Yeah.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Most people think that he just is an extraordinary wizard and he's like showing off and he's like being able to like sense magic and like but to be completely honest, it kind of makes more sense that he had been there before and had done every single step up until the basin.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And all he's doing with Harry is like showboating.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because he's like, oh tricky. He needs blood.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I, yeah, I think he's using it as like a teaching moment for Harry.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: This is so fascinating.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a lot safer that way and I don't know if he would like bring Harry into so much danger so early on because like he still doesn't really understand what horcruxes are.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know maybe now that Dumbledore is dead Harry has to go do these horcruxes by himself.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But maybe the phoenix is going to come sing his little song.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask this in the discord real quick because I actually want to see what people think about this.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm surprised that you're surprised.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: This is why again, I love people reading along because I had never thought about this before.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious how many how many people actually think about this.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: When I was reading this, I was like laying down on a bench outside with Moose and I just was like no way.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh. I was just like making noise and like gasping and then Moose just comes down and puts his head on my chest and I was like, thanks buddy.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: That is so cute.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you okay?

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I love that.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It gives me a little comfort.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what people say.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Fascinated now.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I again literally, literally never thought of this.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Literally never thought of it.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Now I have to ignore every notification for like four days.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't know.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Because this isn't spoilery stuff for you.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to be spoilery for the future.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: What if Dumbledore lives or dies?

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It's fine.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Mark spoilers too please.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Just don't look at anything that's a spoiler.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Dang.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm genuinely, I'm shook that you're shook.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It legitimately makes so much sense though.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm thinking about it, I don't know why I'd never thought about this before.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But maybe Dumbledore had done every single task up until the other one because he realized he needed someone else with him.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he wouldn't put anyone else into like unknown danger.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You have a negative opinion of Dumbledore though.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not that it's negative but like I just find it fascinating because everyone else that I know has read this and they're just in awe of Dumbledore.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Half of my questions are like, isn't Dumbledore so cool by just knowing what to do and knowing exactly where to go?

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But that doesn't make it less cool.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: He's already done it.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But again he's like showboating here.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: He's looking for things and he's talking about magic and he's acting like he's been here for the first time before.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: At least in my head.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But I could imagine him sitting in this cave for hours maybe with potions and other things trying to figure out how to get into this cave.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden he trips and falls and gets a cut on his hand and the thing just unravels because he accidentally spilled blood on the entrance or something crazy.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_00]: This changes so much of the reading right now because when he goes back into this, he really is like showboating.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a Lord of the Rings reference for this.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if this is like a spoiler for Lord of the Rings, but you know when they are going, I don't even know what movie it is.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It might be the third one.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Or the first or the second.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's one of the three?

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's in there somewhere.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But everybody's in that cave and it's when Gollum's climbing up and Frodo's like, oh we're being followed and there's the three doors and they're waiting for Gandalf to figure out which door it is.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Always follow your nose.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But he's sitting there like he doesn't know which door it is.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And then after he talks to Gollum and explains Gollum to Frodo, then he's like, oh, it's this way.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And he immediately knows.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like he obviously just like waiting there so that he can explain Gollum to Frodo so that they can be buddy buddy for the rest of the movie and get to the end.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I think that he was just buying time so that they could have that conversation and explain it to him.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he was like, dang, that's a cool take.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he was like, oh, okay.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I remembered it's this way.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So he was like he was waiting for Frodo to be bored and to look down at this thing to see this creature following them.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes up to him and says, oh, there's someone something following us because otherwise Frodo would have killed them if they didn't have that conversation.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And honestly, Frodo needs Gollum.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Dang, Lizzie.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Love this.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: That was like the.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a revolutionary podcast right now, not just on Harry Potter but on Lord of the Rings.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: This is fantastic.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Also sneak peek of our Lord of the Rings podcast coming soon.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: The Fellowship.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the first time readers and the two first time readers and the return to the first time readers.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for joining us.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Twenty seven.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Can we just open it up?

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a few more questions on this one because I just want to ask what do you think that Dumbledore because he was in agony and he was like looking at this thing.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think he saw when he was drinking this potion?

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I was thinking all of the Hogwarts students in mortal danger because there was I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it, but he was saying something like, oh, like, don't take them or like not.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: He said something about other people and I was wondering if maybe he's seeing the students in danger or if this is kind of like a Dementory.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Type of thing that would probably be his worst nightmare.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The students encountering some kind of danger like that.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but then he just starts begging to be killed and I was like, I can't.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_04]: This is so sad.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's pretty terrifying.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Tragic.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And Harry's like, this will help.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: This will help.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And he just keeps adding to it.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So bad.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have like a solid theory of what I think he's actually seeing.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know if it's something that actually happened in the past or it's like an arbitrary.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: This is my worst nightmare situation.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But do this for me real quick up until this point.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you know for a fact as a Horcrux that has been confirmed by Dumbledore like in the literal book?

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Not just your guess.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Nagini.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Dumbledore confirms that.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: The locket?

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: The ring?

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_00]: The ring.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he said it makes sense that he would do something from every house, but he didn't get to it.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm still feeling like the sword was like in there.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But I feel like how could the sword be one?

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: The Sword of Gryffindor.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think is it just those three that are confirmed?

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the diary.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the only other one.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Because they each took care of one.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Separately.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it supposed to rain?

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he said Nagini and then they're going after one.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So four out of six.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty good.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not bad.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: He could probably do the last two by himself if Dumbledore doesn't come back.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I have two.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He's got more than two.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Three?

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_00]: They've destroyed the locket.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he has to figure out.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_04]: No, the locket is not destroyed.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_00]: They've destroyed the diary and they've destroyed the ring.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So that would leave five more.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like Nagini has to be pretty easy to kill.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: What?

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Always hanging out with Wulner.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's the hardest one to kill.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Just snipe him.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Go find the gun somewhere.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, sometimes I feel like at this moment, maybe during Harry Potter's time in the early 90s, Wizardkind could have taken down the

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_00]: humans.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But right now, I'm like if wizards ever tried to storm humans, I'm like humans would just post up with their drones.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the nonverbal spells would get to us.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Just stand in front of us.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, there's a lot of artillery around.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we'd be alright.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_04]: You peeking out your little top window.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I see you coming.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I got you.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Pepper spray.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's go to 27 and unless there's anything else in the cave.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the ending of that chapter we must discuss because that brought a tear to my eye when he was like, I'm not worried, Harry.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Because that goes back to what Harry said.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And Dumbledore said that to Harry and then this whole thing just felt like him passing the baton to Harry.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And then like I said, he's like coming of age.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he's relying on Harry to do magic.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he's like, I'm safe with you.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, that was so sad.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_04]: That's definitely like one of the best chapter endings.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Seriously, it's beautiful.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It is not universally, but it's a lot of people.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably like in one of their favorite chapters.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But the ending of that chapter is just perfect with that line.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not worried, Harry said Dumbledore his voice a little stronger despite the freezing water.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I am with you.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so freaking good.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And he really believes in Harry's magical abilities too.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: More so than I do.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, more so than probably Harry does.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, which I think is really crucial for Harry to have somebody like that.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Because you need someone to give you that confidence.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But up until this point, I don't.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm even on every read.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm never that impressed with Harry's magical ability.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he seems to be very ordinary.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: He seems to be pretty adept at defense against the dark arts because he's been in a lot of these situations before.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But he doesn't know like the spell work that I feel like Hermione does.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: No, he could never get through that cave.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's why Dumbledore giving him the confidence to do it is huge because I don't know if Harry has the confidence to do it.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great point.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Twenty seven.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_00]: The lightning struck tower.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I just realized the chapter is a dark mark.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even know what that looked like because there's a dark mark over the lightning struck tower.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_04]: That is not what I thought it looked like.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think it looked like?

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought the snake was coming out as its tongue and then you know how people clip their tongue so that they have.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I thought the snakes were going to be like two tongues.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_04]: That's gross.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I thought.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So gross.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, they come back from the cave.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Harry apparates both of them.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_04]: They win.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is crazy.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Super cool.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, that's like a bolt of confidence.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Like Dumbledore has confidence in him and he's able to do these pretty advanced things.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you would think he was like, why don't you go get your extra apparition lessons?

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Just let it slide.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And Rosemurda comes running out and she's like, there's a dark mark over the school.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they get up to the school and then the death eaters are fighting with the Order of the Phoenix people and they all end up on the tower.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Malfoy attempts to kill Dumbledore and he can't do it.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Snape literally busts in the door and kills Dumbledore.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Boom, you're gone.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he goes flying off the building and that's the end of the chapter.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy, right?

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I read one more paragraph from the next one.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I can't do it.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I had to get rid of my book.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So after a night you can finish.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And Harry's like frozen under the cloak the whole time too.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is my first question.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Why did Dumbledore do that?

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So here's the whole paragraph.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry hurried over to the door leading to the spiral staircase.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But his hand had only just closed upon the iron ring of the door when he heard footsteps running on the other side.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00]: He looked around at Dumbledore who gestured him to retreat.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry backed away, drawing his wand as he did so.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The door burst open and somebody erupted through it and shouted, Expelliarmus!

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry's body became instantly rigid and immobile.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And he felt himself fall back against the tower wall, propped up like an unsteady statue.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Unable to move or speak, he could not understand how it had happened.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Expelliarmus was not a freezing charm.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Then by the light of the dark mark, or by the light of the mark, he saw Dumbledore's wand flying in an arc over the edge of the ramparts and understood.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Dumbledore had wordlessly immobilized Harry and the second he had taken to perform this spell had cost him the chance of defending himself.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Why did Dumbledore do that rather than just defend himself?

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I think if the Death Eaters saw Harry there, it would have just been like the end of the story.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they would have taken him to Voldemort.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Voldemort would have killed him.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But to a different point, Draco Malfoy is popping through the door.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Dumbledore sees him coming and he just says Expelliarmus before.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_00]: He's a much more skilled wizard than Draco Malfoy.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't he just block Expelliarmus and then bind Draco?

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: That's actually so valid.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Malfoy comes in the door, Harry's under the cloak.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Dumbledore, Expelliarmus, Draco.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Harry could take him out and stay under the cloak.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why Dumbledore is his own man.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess because he's so super weak at this point.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he knows the other Death Eaters are coming up.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I think this is the answer to my question.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So he knows he maybe can't take all of them on himself.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And so he just immobilizes Harry so that Harry doesn't get in trouble.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like either way, the Death Eaters are going to come up the stairs and they're going to encounter Harry.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But what do you think about Draco actually being able to disarm Dumbledore?

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's that impressive if he can't even stand.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, seriously.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, are you like super strong if you can push over your grandma?

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Not really.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You're just a bad person.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great point.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But I feel like Dumbledore always thinks that Harry is getting into things too fast.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So I feel like he just froze him there to just be like, watch and listen.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. And then I don't know if Dumbledore knew he was going to die or not.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But then after that, I guess when you die, all your magic goes with you.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that's how Harry knew that time out.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's dead.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's in the next chapter.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: No. Well, I read the next paragraph and he whips off the cloak and runs down the stairs.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I had the self control to stop.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I think in the next paragraph, the paragraph after that, Harry knows that he's gone because he feels the spell fall away.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Well, that would be that paragraph because he's running.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. Yeah.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. Maybe he died for like he was clinically dead for a minute and then the Phoenix.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Because Phoenixes bring you back, right?

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no. Phoenixes heal you. They don't bring you back from the dead.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that brings you back from the dead is a horcrux.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So the only the other thing that you're mentioning, Dumbledore could potentially have made a horcrux somewhere.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But would Dumbledore have made a horcrux?

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Would he have deemed it necessary to make horcrux?

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He does think he's above the law.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I said that he would do that before I knew he was going to die.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. So it's fascinating.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Fascinating possibility.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll get to my other stages of grief eventually.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: What denial was the first one? What's the second one?

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There are some great lines in this chapter as well.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like some of my favorite when he says Draco Malfoy did nothing but stare at Alba Dumbledore who incredibly smiled.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Draco, Draco, you were not a killer.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you know? Said Malfoy once.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, But why? I don't think you will kill me, Draco.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Killing is not nearly as easy as the innocent belief.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So tell me while we wait for your friends, how did you smuggle them in here?

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It seems to have taken you a long time to work out how to do it.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you, what do you think of how Draco actually got them in?

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_04]: He's pretty genius. He's really smart.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I know. Like scary smart.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I know. Legit.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I was not thinking that at all.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I felt dumb because I was like, oh, I knew the vanishing cabinet was in there.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It mentions that a few times in this book too.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So it goes right over your head.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we knew that the one in Borg and in Burgs was a vanishing cabinet, right?

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a conversation that happens in the movie that when they go raid the Malfoy

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: house, Mr. Weasley comes back and says there was a vanishing cabinet and that was all.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if we actually have that in the book or not.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to go back and look at that.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. So I didn't feel super bad that I didn't put it together because I felt like that was

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: way over my head.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I don't I didn't think that Dumbledore knew any of his plan either.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I think he was genuinely just like asking questions to try to understand.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he was like, oh, this is my plan to like prod information out of him.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you just genuinely buying time and being confused.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so he's buying a little bit of time here.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But then there's another line that they have where it says, I tried Draco.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Professor Snape had been keeping watch over you on my orders.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't been doing your orders.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: He promised my mother.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, that is what he would tell you, Draco.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's a double agent, you stupid old man.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_00]: He isn't working for you.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_00]: He just you just think he is.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_00]: We must agree to differ on that, Draco.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It so happens that I trust Professor Snape while you're losing your grip then,

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: sneered Malfoy.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Does it hurt to hear these words now knowing what Snape did?

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Or do you still just think Snape's good?

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm confused.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even want to think either way.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I just want to just close my eyes and blindly trust that it's going to be OK.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: But, oh, man, yes, it hurts because if Dumbledore trusts Snape that much

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: that he's going to save his life and he literally comes in and kills him,

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_04]: like, how could you wrong Dumbledore that much?

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That's like the most reprehensible, unforgivable thing that you could ever do.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Someone trusts you that much and you come in and you kill them.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_00]: That's awful.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_04]: What was this?

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think this was in Harry Potter.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_04]: There's some quote that I found somewhere and I don't even remember what it was,

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_04]: but it was like betrayal hurts so much because it only comes from your friends

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_04]: or something like that.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_04]: That's like kind of this.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is someone that you trust.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess Dumbledore is not really getting betrayed because he just dies and can't think after that.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But in that moment, that's got to be pretty terrible.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You see him casting, holding the wand at you, and then all of a sudden you hear Avada Kedah.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, I mean, you have one second of like, dang, I got played and then you're dead.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_04]: What if somebody else said it?

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Or what if you can say it and not have your heart in it?

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have to somebody or maybe he has enough magic to read you this line.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no. Maybe Dumbledore has enough magic to blast backwards.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I was a wild and then Snape didn't have his heart in it.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And he said it and that was not real.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And Dumbledore is just like hanging on to the side of the building.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, we are going to read this line.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a problem, Snape said the lumpy amicus whose eyes were in one were fixed alike upon Dumbledore.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: The boy doesn't seem able because somebody else had spoken Snape's name quite softly.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Severus, the fright, the sound frightened Harry beyond anything he had experienced all evening.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_00]: For the first time, Dumbledore was pleading.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Snape said nothing, but walked forward and pushed Malfoy roughly out of the way.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_00]: The three Death Eaters fell back without a word.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Even the werewolf seemed cowed.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Snape gaze for a moment at Dumbledore and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Severus, please.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Avada Kedavra.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So just to be fair, I feel like Snape is very much the one saying this here.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_00]: He is very much saying it out of a lot of anger and revulsion that is etched into every line of his face.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was like hatred for himself for doing it to Dumbledore.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that you see the positive in people.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I am. Yeah, I'm just in denial.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting. Denial.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, denial is the first phase.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_00]: This really is. Next podcasts are going to be in the whatever morning phase.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's the next phase.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: What is this? The five phases of anger and I'm going to like chuck my book out the window.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. Honestly, you might be.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Stages of grief.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Anger.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Love this.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I this is like not even this chapter, but why would Harry whip off his cloak?

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_04]: The first thing he does, like keep that thing on whenever you go downstairs.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Just saying. That's not in Harry's character.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry's character is I am going in guns and blaze and I don't care what anybody thinks.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But have a little.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_04]: That's not what Harry would do.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're thinking logically like adults here, but Harry is not really he's like a teen.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He still likes a person that he loved so much got betrayed by someone he did not trust at all that he was continually warning Dumbledore of and Dumbledore didn't hear it.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_04]: That's true because Harry has zero faith that he is on the other side.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And so what Harry wants to do right now is he doesn't want to hide under this invisible invisibility cloak.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_00]: He wants to go in guns and blazing and and so show Snape that I am the one that's going to catch up to you and hurt you.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Harry would kill Snape.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I still don't feel like Harry could kill anybody he wants to at this moment you don't think he could.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I like Snape would win Snape and get to him first.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll see.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I hate this book.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You love this book. Stop it.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think one of the last questions in this do you think that Draco is a redeemable character now?

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Because this is another brilliant line that we got here.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Come over to the right side Draco and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_00]: What's more I can send members of the Order to your mother tonight and hide her likewise.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Your father is safe at the moment and ask a man.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_00]: When the time comes we can protect him too.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Come over to the right side Draco.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You are not a killer.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Malfoy stared at Dumbledore.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But I got this far didn't I?

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_00]: He said slowly.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_00]: They thought I'd die in the attempt but I'm here and you're in my power.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the one with the wand.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You're at my mercy.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_00]: No Draco said Dumbledore quietly.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It is my mercy and not yours that matters now.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean?

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, and is Draco redeemable?

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I would say Draco is redeemable but I feel like that's so unfair.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Second chances like that are kind of the thing.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_04]: That makes me a little mad.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe this is my entrance into the second phase of processing grief because I would be angry.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I would be angry if Malfoy did get a second chance.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Because of what he's done.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But theoretically I think he probably could come to the good side and just be like,

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_04]: oh that was my childhood stupidity.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I got brainwashed as a kid.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I probably have some like trauma and then he could redeem himself.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he could all chalk it up to some childhood trauma that he was dealing with.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like maybe he should get a second chance.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_00]: This book is all about second chances.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Dumbledore is offering him a second chance here and he doesn't take it.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he's on his third chance or fourth or fifth or sixth.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But I do love Dumbledore's words here where he says it's my mercy and not yours that matters now.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what is that?

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean?

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's my mercy that matters.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that because he already gave him like Dumbledore said that he knew that Malfoy was up to something, right?

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And that he was a death eater.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So is he just referencing that?

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That he didn't expose him and get killed early on?

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Could be.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good explanation for that.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he knew he was all along, but he didn't really do anything.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Let Draco do certain things.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So for the whole year, Draco was living under the mercy of Albus Dumbledore.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know why he would say it's my mercy that matters now.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because it doesn't feel like that matters now.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_04]: That mattered earlier.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Too late.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Little too late.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So Rosamurda, sorry, this is like a segue whiplash segue.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_04]: She's just been imperious this entire time.

[00:48:25] Yep.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought you would just get imperious for like a moment, hand the package over and then you go back to normal life.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You think that, but this is the first time we've seen it for a prolonged period of time.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So then somebody has to be doing that to her this whole time too.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So who was that?

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It was Draco.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh really?

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_00]: He was the one who imperioused Rosamurda and he did it once and then he kind of just controlled her for the rest of the semester.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't do a great job.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So like, imperiousing someone isn't a full time job?

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably somewhat a full time job.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you have to be behind that person making them do what they want.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there's, I don't know what goes into an imperious curse.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's pretty wicked.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's honestly some of the worst.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_00]: We're the worst of the three.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That's my opinion.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But...

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You know the kiss-marry-kill game?

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I made my siblings play that with me but we did it in the three unforgivable curses.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was so funny.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually legitimately brilliant.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Because there's like so many random people from childhood that you can...

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We were using old people that we knew and my brother was like,

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_04]: wait how long does Crucio last?

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I don't want to torture her that long.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_00]: We were on a long drive together.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_04]: That's so funny.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_04]: This is so funny.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's actually a fascinating question because ultimately I wouldn't want to imperious someone that I love the most.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't want to kill them or torture them.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's maybe the tamest of them but I still think that it has the potential to be the most evil.

[00:49:57] So...

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually a fascinating question.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he was asking, he was like, is Crucio like a long time?

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, I don't think it's as long as you need it to be.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like okay because I couldn't torture her but I could.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I think if I killed her that would be nicer.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Crucio imperio vada cadavera.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That is crazy.

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to start that game.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_04]: You should try it out someday.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so funny.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, that was also a segue.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's pretty much all I got in this chapter.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else that you have?

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Any other tidbits?

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Any other questions?

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Anything you want to get off your chest when you move into the anger stage of your grief right now?

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess Harry is going to run down the stairs and try to fight Snape.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he could kill Snape.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I think Snape could kill Harry.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Still have no idea if Snape is good or bad.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I think all the Death Eaters are going to leave because I feel like they're all kind of scaredy cats at the end of the day.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_04]: The Order is going to have a little reconvening.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm really curious to see what happened to the DA people.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_04]: That's really at the forefront of my mind, honestly.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, someone dead.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Because of your optimism.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_04]: The Dark Mark Malfoy said it was a trick to get him to come to the castle.

[00:51:39] Yeah.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So a body that they walk over could just be a trick for something else.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_04]: You could fall over for several reasons other than death.

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a valid point.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know who was the body.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it an adult body?

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It better not be like McGonagall or something.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of all adults at this point.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not like, you know, it's not like a first year where they're like, yeah, how that'd be great.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be the best.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_04]: This was my other thing was that I had zero clue that Malfoy was going to try to kill Dumbledore.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I ever said that once this entire time, right?

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I said he was going to try to derail Hogwarts and close it.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And certainly killing Dumbledore would do that.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But his whole main mission was to kill Dumbledore.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That was a task that he had been given.

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Now maybe McGonagall will be headmaster.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually a fascinating question.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I said that when Umbridge came in.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, are you kidding me?

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Who is this?

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, all the Draco's attempts were pretty poor attempts at doing this until he finally figured out the way, which he was working on the whole time, which is the vanishing cabinet.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what's going to happen.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm confused.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you like this book?

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I do.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Really good.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It's good, right?

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Good chapters.

[00:53:02] Yeah.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great, great freaking book.

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Love it.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have your three favorites?

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't do that.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to do that.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll just do.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll just.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I was just saying Ginny Hatsomali.

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Housecutt.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Harry.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_04]: What's the other one?

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Favorite moment.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry, Harry.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I am with you.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_04]: That's good.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_04]: That's my favorite moment.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's so good.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Boom.

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_04]: That was so fast.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Hatsomali, I'm going Dumbledore though.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_00]: He was very hot, very sassy.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Devastating chapters.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, thanks for joining us.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_04]: On our journey of Harry Potter.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, thanks for joining us on our journey of Harry Potter.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_04]: The second time we do it.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

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