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Chapter 21 - The Unknowable Room

Harry fully expected to receive low marks on his, because he had disagreed with Snape on the best way to tackle Dementors, but he did not care: Slughorn’s memory was the most important thing to him now.

Q1 - How do you think Snape takes on dementors? And is it better than Harry’s?

‘It’s one of Fred and George’s Spell-Checking ones … but I think the charm must be wearing off …’ ‘Yes, it must,’ said Hermione, pointing at the title of his essay, ‘because we were asked how we’d deal with Dementors, not “Dugbogs”, and I don’t remember you changing your name to “Roonil Wazlib”, either.’ ‘Ah, no!’ said Ron, staring horror-struck at the parchment. ‘Don’t say I’ll have to write the whole thing out again!’ ‘It’s OK, we can fix it,’ said Hermione, pulling the essay towards her and taking out her wand. ‘I love you, Hermione,’ said Ron, sinking back in his chair, rubbing his eyes wearily.

Q2 - Is this the first time Ron has said “I love you” to Hermione?

Q3 - What is Malfoy doing in the Room of Requirement?

‘God, I’ve been stupid,’ he said quietly. ‘It’s obvious, isn’t it? There was a great vat of it down in the dungeon … he could’ve nicked some any time during that lesson …’ ‘Nicked what?’ said Ron. ‘Polyjuice Potion. He stole some of the Polyjuice Potion Slughorn showed us in our first Potions lesson … there aren’t a whole variety of students standing guard for Malfoy … it’s just Crabbe and Goyle as usual … yeah, it all fits!’

Q4 - Is Harry (therefore Danny) right?

Q5 - Do you ever remember when a teacher embarrassed you?

‘Well, what Harry said is the most useful if we’re trying to tell them apart!’ said Ron. ‘When we come face to face with one down a dark alley we’re going to be having a shufti to see if it’s solid, aren’t we, we’re not going to be asking, “Excuse me, are you the imprint of a departed soul?”
‘When you say you had lots in common,’ said Ron, sounding rather amused now, ‘d’you mean he lives in an S-bend, too?’ ‘No,’ said Myrtle defiantly, her voice echoing loudly around the old tiled bathroom. ‘I mean he’s sensitive, people bully him, too, and he feels lonely and hasn’t got anybody to talk to, and he’s not afraid to show his feelings and cry!’

Q6 - Who is Myrtle talking about here?

Q7 - Why was Tonks going to see Dumbledore?

Q8 - Was she in love with Sirius?

Chapter 22 - After the Burial

Q1 - What do you think of Hagrid asking the trio to come out after dusk to the burial?

‘Look, Potions will be almost empty this afternoon, with us all off doing our tests … try and soften Slughorn up a bit then!’ ‘Fifty-seventh time lucky, you think?’ said Harry bitterly. ‘Lucky,’ said Ron suddenly. ‘Harry, that’s it – get lucky!’ ‘What d’you mean?’ ‘Use your lucky potion!’ ‘Ron, that’s – that’s it!’ said Hermione, sounding stunned. ‘Of course! Why didn’t I think of it?’

Q2 - Is this the best way to get the memory?

Q3 - What do you think of Harry’s Euphoria potion?

Harry took out the rolled-up socks at the bottom of his trunk and extracted the tiny, gleaming bottle. ‘Well, here goes,’ said Harry, and he raised the little bottle and took a carefully measured gulp. ‘What does it feel like?’ whispered Hermione. Harry did not answer for a moment. Then, slowly but surely, an exhilarating sense of infinite opportunity stole through him; he felt as though he could have done anything, anything at all … and getting the memory from Slughorn seemed suddenly not only possible, but positively easy …

Q4 - What would you use Liquid Luck on?

Getting through the portrait hole was simple; as he approached it, Ginny and Dean came through it and Harry was able to slip between them. As he did so, he brushed accidentally against Ginny. ‘Don’t push me, please, Dean,’ she said, sounding annoyed. ‘You’re always doing that, I can get through perfectly well on my own …’

Q5 - Was Dean being chivalrous or annoying?

After an hour or so, Hagrid and Slughorn began making extravagant toasts: to Hogwarts, to Dumbledore, to elf-made wine and to – ‘Harry Potter!’ bellowed Hagrid, slopping some of his fourteenth bucket of wine down his chin as he drained it. ‘Yes, indeed,’ cried Slughorn a little thickly, ‘Parry Otter, the Chosen Boy Who – well – something of that sort,’ he mumbled, and drained his mug, too.
‘But she didn’t move. Dad was already dead, but she didn’t want me to go too. She tried to plead with Voldemort … but he just laughed …’ ‘That’s enough!’ said Slughorn suddenly, raising a shaking hand. ‘Really, my dear boy, enough … I’m an old man … I don’t need to hear … I don’t want to hear …’ ‘I forgot,’ lied Harry, Felix Felicis leading him on. ‘You liked her, didn’t you?’ ‘Liked her?’ said Slughorn, his eyes brimming with tears once more. ‘I don’t imagine anyone who met her wouldn’t have liked her … very brave … very funny … it was the most horrible thing …’ ‘But you won’t help her son,’ said Harry. ‘She gave me her life, but you won’t give me a memory.’

Q6 - Is there any new info you gained from the Lily story?

‘Be brave like my mother, Professor …’
‘You’re a good boy,’ said Professor Slughorn, tears trickling down his fat cheeks into his walrus moustache. ‘And you’ve got her eyes … just don’t think too badly of me once you’ve seen it …’

Q7 - What will this memory tell them?

Chapter 23 - Horcruxes

‘Good gracious, Harry,’ said Dumbledore in surprise. ‘To what do I owe this very late pleasure?’ ‘Sir – I’ve got it. I’ve got the memory from Slughorn.’ Harry pulled out the tiny glass bottle and showed it to Dumbledore. For a moment or two, the Headmaster looked stunned. Then his face split in a wide smile. ‘Harry, this is spectacular news! Very well done indeed! I knew you could do it!’
‘Well,’ said Slughorn, not looking at Riddle, but fiddling with the ribbon on top of his box of crystallised pineapple, ‘well, it can’t hurt to give you an overview, of course. Just so that you understand the term. A Horcrux is the word used for an object in which a person has concealed part of their soul.’ ‘I don’t quite understand how that works, though, sir,’ said Riddle. His voice was carefully controlled, but Harry could sense his excitement. ‘Well, you split your soul, you see,’ said Slughorn, ‘and hide part of it in an object outside the body. Then, even if one’s body is attacked or destroyed, one cannot die, for part of the soul remains earthbound and undamaged. But, of course, existence in such a form …’

Q1 - What do you think of Horcruxes now?

‘How do you split your soul?’ ‘Well,’ said Slughorn uncomfortably, ‘you must understand that the soul is supposed to remain intact and whole. Splitting it is an act of violation, it is against nature.’
‘Yes, sir,’ said Riddle. ‘What I don’t understand, though – just out of curiosity – I mean, would one Horcrux be much use? Can you only split your soul once? Wouldn’t it be better, make you stronger, to have your soul in more pieces? I mean, for instance, isn’t seven the most powerfully magical number, wouldn’t seven –?’ ‘Merlin’s beard, Tom!’ yelped Slughorn. ‘Seven! Isn’t it bad enough to think of killing one person? And in any case … bad enough to divide the soul … but to rip it into seven pieces …’

Q2 - Do you think Voldemort ripped his soul into seven pieces?

‘But now, Harry, armed with this information, the crucial memory you have succeeded in procuring for us, we are closer to the secret of finishing Lord Voldemort than anyone has ever been before. You heard him, Harry: “Wouldn’t it be better, make you stronger, to have your soul in more pieces … isn’t seven the most powerfully magical number …” Isn’t seven the most powerfully magical number. Yes, I think the idea of a seven-part soul would greatly appeal to Lord Voldemort.’ ‘He made seven Horcruxes?’ said Harry, horror-struck, while several of the portraits on the walls made similar noises of shock and outrage. ‘But they could be anywhere in the world – hidden – buried or invisible –’ ‘I am glad to see you appreciate the magnitude of the problem,’ said Dumbledore calmly. ‘But firstly, no, Harry, not seven Horcruxes: six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that, he has no self at all. That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack – the piece that lives in his body.’

Q3 - Is Dumbledore right?

‘But the six Horcruxes, then,’ said Harry, a little desperately, ‘how are we supposed to find them?’ ‘You are forgetting … you have already destroyed one of them. And I have destroyed another.’ ‘You have?’ said Harry eagerly. ‘Yes indeed,’ said Dumbledore, and he raised his blackened, burned-looking hand. ‘The ring, Harry. Marvolo’s ring. And a terrible curse there was upon it too. Had it not been – forgive me the lack of seemly modesty – for my own prodigious skill, and for Professor Snape’s timely action when I returned to Hogwarts, desperately injured, I might not have lived to tell the tale. However, a withered hand does not seem an unreasonable exchange for a seventh of Voldemort’s soul. The ring is no longer a Horcrux.’

Q4 - What AND where are the other Horcruxes?

Q5 - Does this make you trust Snape a bit more?

‘He seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly significant deaths. You would certainly have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincible. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death.

Q6 - Did he have an object with him then and what would he have used for a Horcrux after killing Harry?

‘Yes, I think so,’ said Dumbledore. ‘Without his Horcruxes, Voldemort will be a mortal man with a maimed and diminished soul. Never forget, though, that while his soul may be damaged beyond repair, his brain and his magical power remain intact. It will take uncommon skill and power to kill a wizard like Voldemort, even without his Horcruxes.’ ‘But I haven’t got uncommon skill and power,’ said Harry, before he could stop himself. ‘Yes, you have,’ said Dumbledore firmly. ‘You have a power that Voldemort has never had. You can –’ ‘I know!’ said Harry impatiently. ‘I can love!’ It was only with difficulty that he stopped himself adding, ‘Big deal!’ ‘Yes, Harry, you can love,’ said Dumbledore, who looked as though he knew perfectly well what Harry had just refrained from saying. ‘Which, given everything that has happened to you, is a great and remarkable thing. You are still too young to understand how unusual you are, Harry.’

Q7 - What is the deeper thing here? Why is Harry too young to understand this?

He heard the prophecy and he leapt into action, with the result that he not only handpicked the man most likely to finish him, he handed him uniquely deadly weapons!’ ‘But –’ ‘It is essential that you understand this!’ said Dumbledore, standing up and striding about the room, his glittering robes swooshing in his wake; Harry had never seen him so agitated. ‘By attempting to kill you, Voldemort himself singled out the remarkable person who sits here in front of me, and gave him the tools for the job! It is Voldemort’s fault that you were able to see into his thoughts, his ambitions, that you even understand the snakelike language in which he gives orders, and yet, Harry, despite your privileged insight into Voldemort’s world (which, incidentally, is a gift any Death Eater would kill to have), you have never been seduced by the Dark Arts, never, even for a second, shown the slightest desire to become one of Voldemort’s followers!’

Q8 - How did Voldemort actually give him these powers and this connection?

I do not think he understands why, Harry, but he was in such a hurry to mutilate his own soul, he never paused to understand the incomparable power of a soul that is untarnished and whole.’
Harry watched Dumbledore striding up and down in front of him, and thought. He thought of his mother, his father and Sirius. He thought of Cedric Diggory. He thought of all the terrible deeds he knew Lord Voldemort had done. A flame seemed to leap inside his chest, searing his throat. ‘I’d want him finished,’ said Harry quietly. ‘And I’d want to do it.’ ‘Of course you would!’ cried Dumbledore. ‘You see, the prophecy does not mean you have to do anything! But the prophecy caused Lord Voldemort to mark you as his equal … in other words, you are free to choose your way, quite free to turn your back on the prophecy! But Voldemort continues to set store by the prophecy. He will continue to hunt you … which makes it certain, really, that –’ ‘That one of us is going to end up killing the other,’ said Harry. ‘Yes.’ But he understood at last what Dumbledore had been trying to tell him. It was, he thought, the difference between being dragged into the arena to face a battle to the death and walking into the arena with your head held high. Some people, perhaps, would say that there was little to choose between the two ways, but Dumbledore knew – and so do I, thought Harry, with a rush of fierce pride, and so did my parents – that there was all the difference in the world.

Q9 - How do you destroy a Horcrux?

Q10 - What do you think of this and everything in this chapter?

Chapter 24 - Sectumsempra

Q1 - Why isn’t Dumbledore just doing this himself? Why is he roping Harry into this whole thing?

‘I think I’m going to take another swig of Felix,’ said Harry, ‘and have a go at the Room of Requirement again.’ ‘That would be a complete waste of potion,’ said Hermione flatly, putting down the copy of Spellman’s Syllabary she had just taken out of her bag. ‘Luck can only get you so far, Harry. The situation with Slughorn was different; you always had the ability to persuade him, you just needed to tweak the circumstances a bit. Luck isn’t enough to get you through a powerful enchantment, though. Don’t go wasting the rest of that potion! You’ll need all the luck you can get if Dumbledore takes you along with him …’ She dropped her voice to a whisper.

Q2 - How do you think Harry is going to use the last of the Felix Felicis?

‘No one can help me,’ said Malfoy. His whole body was shaking. ‘I can’t do it … I can’t … it won’t work … and unless I do it soon … he says he’ll kill me …’ And Harry realised, with a shock so huge it seemed to root him to the spot, that Malfoy was crying – actually crying – tears streaming down his pale face into the grimy basin. Malfoy gasped and gulped and then, with a great shudder, looked up into the cracked mirror and saw Harry staring at him over his shoulder.

Q3 - Is it shocking to see Draco in this state?

Q4 - What is he talking about here?

There was a loud bang and the bin behind Harry exploded; Harry attempted a Leg-Locker Curse that backfired off the wall behind Malfoy’s ear and smashed the cistern beneath Moaning Myrtle, who screamed loudly; water poured everywhere and Harry slipped over as Malfoy, his face contorted, cried, ‘Cruci—’ ‘SECTUMSEMPRA!’ bellowed Harry from the floor, waving his wand wildly.

Q5 - Thoughts on Draco using Crucio?

The door banged open behind Harry and he looked up, terrified: Snape had burst into the room, his face livid. Pushing Harry roughly aside, he knelt over Malfoy, drew his wand and traced it over the deep wounds Harry’s curse had made, muttering an incantation that sounded almost like song. The flow of blood seemed to ease; Snape wiped the residue from Malfoy’s face and repeated his spell. Now the wounds seemed to be knitting.
He gasped. Despite his haste, his panic, his fear of what awaited him back in the bathroom, he could not help but be overawed by what he was looking at. He was standing in a room the size of a large cathedral, whose high windows were sending shafts of light down upon what looked like a city with towering walls, built of what Harry knew must be objects hidden by generations of Hogwarts inhab- itants. There were alleyways and roads bordered by teetering piles of broken and damaged furniture, stowed away, perhaps, to hide the evidence of mishandled magic, or else hidden by castle-proud houseelves. There were thousands and thousands of books, no doubt banned or graffitied or stolen. There were winged catapults and Fanged Frisbees, some still with enough life in them to hover half-heartedly over the mountains of other forbidden items; there were chipped bottles of congealed potions, hats, jewels, cloaks; there were what looked like dragon-egg shells, corked bottles whose contents still shimmered evilly, several rusting swords and a heavy, blood-stained axe.

Q6 - What do you think of this room?

Harry hurried forwards into one of the many alleyways between all this hidden treasure. He turned right past an enormous stuffed troll, ran on a short way, took a left at the broken Vanishing Cabinet in which Montague had got lost the previous year, finally pausing beside a large cupboard which seemed to have had acid thrown at its blistered surface. He opened one of the cupboard’s creaking doors: it had already been used as a hiding place for something in a cage that had long-since died; its skeleton had five legs. He stuffed the Half-Blood Prince’s book behind the cage and slammed the door. He paused for a moment, his heart thumping horribly, gazing around at the clutter … would he be able to find this spot again, amidst all this junk? Seizing the chipped bust of an ugly old warlock from on top of a nearby crate, he stood it on the cupboard where the book was now hidden, perched a dusty old wig and a tarnished tiara on the statue’s head to make it more distinctive, then sprinted back through the alleyways of hidden junk as fast as he could go, back to the door, back out on to the corridor, where he slammed the door behind him and it turned at once back into stone.

Q7 - What’s the coolest thing you’ve ever just found?

One by one Snape extracted Harry’s books and examined them. Finally the only book left was the Potions book, which he looked at very carefully before speaking. ‘This is your copy of Advanced Potion-Making, is it, Potter?’ ‘Yes,’ said Harry, still breathing hard. ‘You’re quite sure of that, are you, Potter?’ ‘Yes,’ said Harry, with a touch more defiance. ‘This is the copy of Advanced Potion-Making that you purchased from Flourish and Blotts?’ ‘Yes,’ said Harry firmly. ‘Then why,’ asked Snape, ‘does it have the name “Roonil Wazlib” written inside the front cover?’ Harry’s heart missed a beat. ‘That’s my nickname,’ he said. ‘Your nickname,’ repeated Snape. ‘Yeah … that’s what my friends call me,’ said Harry. ‘I understand what a nickname is,’ said Snape. The cold, black eyes were boring once more into Harry’s; he tried not to look into them. Close your mind … close your mind … but he had never learned how to do it properly … ‘Do you know what I think, Potter?’ said Snape, very quietly. ‘I think that you are a liar and a cheat and that you deserve detention with me every Saturday until the end of term. What do you think, Potter?’ ‘I – I don’t agree, sir,’ said Harry, still refusing to look into Snape’s eyes.

Q8 - Hermione reprimands Harry for following the Prince…but who is the Prince?

Harry looked around; there was Ginny running towards him; she had a hard, blazing look in her face as she threw her arms around him. And without thinking, without planning it, without worrying about the fact that fifty people were watching, Harry kissed her. The creature in his chest roaring in triumph, Harry grinned down at Ginny and gestured wordlessly out of the portrait hole. A long walk in the grounds seemed indicated, during which – if they had time – they might discuss the match.

Q9 - Love at last?

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the podcast.

[00:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Lizzie.

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Jon.

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is Harry Potter and the Second Time Reader.

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, all right.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_00]: We're 21, 22, 23, and 24.

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's go over a quick summary of 21, which is the unknowable room.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it is the unknowable room.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is one that kind of discovered that Malfoy's disappearing

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: into the room or wherever he's just disappearing in general.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they kind of discover that Crabbe and Goyle are polyjuicing

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: into the girls that are outside the corridor or in the corridor.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I don't think, I don't know.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that maybe occurred to me at one point, but I definitely

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: like didn't voice that opinion.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, it ends up being a room of requirement, which I also

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: internally had that thought.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But so what is he doing in the room of requirement?

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we know.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So yes.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm not sure.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought maybe he's like brewing potions and stuff cause

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: he's going there so much.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been like all term.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And somewhere in the book, it's like, oh, this potion has to

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: brew for like months and months.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, maybe he's in there, like making one specific potion, but.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: He could just be like, I thought maybe he's using like the room to

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: communicate with other people or like some death eater, like you can't

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: get into school though, so I don't know how, but maybe by like the.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, like when your head pops up in the fire.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Flu network.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I thought maybe if you could say like, oh, I need the flu network.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you could get like your own little channel of that.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he could talk to his dad or like, interesting.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, would they be able to, I think everything, maybe they're

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_00]: doing something illegally, but maybe there's like, maybe there's a, uh,

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_00]: fireplace in the, I mean, it's a room requirement, so you kind of

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: make it to be whatever you want.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm actually curious about that.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: If you, if you were like, I need a way to get in and out of the castle,

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: the room of requirement would do that.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Or if it is a room requirement, more so like protection of the students.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if it would actually be able to do that, but man, I don't know.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's a good point.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like there's something inside the room of requirement that can make

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: him communicate with the outside world or maybe make them bring people in.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But the only issue is with that, if he's trying to bring people

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: in, why hasn't he done it yet?

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean?

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like through the flu network?

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying he would use it as like communication.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Or like somebody's checking up on him, seeing if he's actually doing his task.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe that's why he's like so sickly looking, because he keeps

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: getting reprimanded by people that you're failing, you're not going to do this.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, uh, pivoting real quick, just the beginning of this chapter, there's one

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_00]: line that says this, and I want to discuss it because it ties into our

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: dementors discussion.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It says Harry fully expected to receive low marks on his, because he had

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: disagreed a Snape on the best way to tackle dementors, but he did not care.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Slughorn's memory was the most important thing to him now.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: How does Snape tackle dementors in a different way than Harry

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that Harry disagrees with?

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like the opposite because if a dementor is drawn to the happiness,

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought maybe Snape like has no happiness in him whatsoever.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you are like so depressed and so sad, and like you can think of something

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that brings you down so much, the dementors will like lose you.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I kind of think of it as like a metal detector where it's like,

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of hot and cold.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: They're just like going to the vibe that you're putting out, like your

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: happiness, your energy, whatever.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, if you can like suck it down to nothing or like you have no

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: happiness, you have no joy.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You just think about like someone dying.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You were just a shell of yourself.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: The dementors kind of like lose you and there's like nothing for them to find.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So then I was like, maybe that makes sense because Harry likes the whole

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: joy aspect of like, that's such a great point.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Fighting a dementor.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That was my only thought.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I did sit there and think about it for a while.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't know.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a very cutting point because I feel like that's a, those are two

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: different ways that human beings deal with their depression.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it suits Harry and Snape's personalities.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause uh, Snape is in the previous book, he was teaching him occlumency, which

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is like shutting your mind off from Voldemort, but maybe he can do that with

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: dementors and maybe that like his idea with dementors is you shut your mind.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You shut all the, you like lock all the happiness into your mind.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Into one little compartment in your mind.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the, yeah, like it's a metal detector.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the dementor will just pass you and won't even care because

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: you have no happiness.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: A little self protection right there.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty interesting.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I don't mind as much.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's what I do in my life.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's shut all the happiness into one little compartment and

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: then we'll go from there.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not the happiest way to deal with things, but interesting.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, uh, after this too, so.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, they're running around and they have a discussion or they, they kind of

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: see Tonks and Tonks was going to see Dumbledore.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That surprised me so much.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Why did that happen?

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she's at the school all the time anyway, right?

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: She needs more book time.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I know she's around, but she's not getting written into everything.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like why is she sad or why is she there?

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Or like, why, like explain her emotions.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what you're asking?

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe explain her emotions.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Explain her emotions.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Give me, give me the backstory behind her.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we want to see her more in the text.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Why isn't she, why is she going to see Dumbledore?

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is she so sad?

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Did she love Sirius?

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The cousin.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, cuz thing going on.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: How distant are they?

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't like further than your second cousin legal.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I think like, yeah, that's wild.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly in the, cause they're part of the sacred 28, right?

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's definitely some inbreeding happening in there.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not saying I support that, but like she could, I guess, theoretically

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: be in love with Sirius, but I feel like I would see just like different for her.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause she's young and like, I feel like she's a cool person that could not have

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: to like marry her cousin.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Who would you, who would you set her up with?

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know she's ended up with Lupin, so I kind of don't even think about it.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know any other wizards that are like her age.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of true.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: There's like a big gap.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like Charlie Weasley or something like that.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sick of just like picking Weasleys cause they are like the only

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: family that has a whole age range.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That is actually fascinatingly true.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that like, there's no, there's not a ton of older siblings that we meet.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Like Malfoy is an only child.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Like Hermione is an only child.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Neville doesn't have any older siblings.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Dean Thomas doesn't have any older siblings.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: The only family we have is like sort of the blacks, but then the Weasleys.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so true.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, but I guess she's sad because Lupin is with Fenrir.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: What's his name?

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Fenrir Greyback.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Fenrir Greyback.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So, or she's sad because he knows that she knows that Lupin bit that kid.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Lupin's the murderer and she knows it.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But also she was asking about anyone in the order and then later

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Mundungus is caught or sent to Azkaban.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, I don't know if she would be like mourning over Mundungus.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope not.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But maybe all these things combine into one catastrophe, but I don't know what

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: merits visiting Dumbledore in the middle of the night or I don't know if it was

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the middle of the night, but she left her post.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: She left her post.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe she was just really needing help.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: She needed a little mental health break.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, could have been a little mental health break.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like Dumbledore would be so good at that.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, agreed.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be so comforting.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something he'd be good at.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's probably just like stressed out about Lupin and also

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: like guarding the school.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a crazy job.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, agreed.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: There's probably not that many ores that are doing that.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my girl's just stressed.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And she wasn't even like listening to Harry either.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I know she was so distracted.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Harry would be like person number one to pay attention

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: to if you come across him.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But no.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's there's kind of like a sadness to it as well, where.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry doesn't really ask her any questions like, yes, she's older,

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: but I feel like Harry's mature enough that he like knows

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_00]: when he sees someone who's like hurting and he'd be like, hey.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Harry, just straight up ask, like, can we talk about serious?

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry doesn't ever want to do that because that's how things went sour with Cho.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, you know, she wanted to talk about Cedric

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and she wanted to like process it together and Harry's like, no way.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So Harry doesn't want to do that with Tonks, but like I'm like,

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry's, you know, a year older.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You should be able to do that.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: You should be able to figure things out like Tonks is hurting.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Be like, hey.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I love serious, let's talk about it together.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they're kind of like both related to him.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're pretty close together in age, right?

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they could be siblings, I feel like.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I want to say Tonks graduated like two, one,

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: two years before Harry started his first year.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So they definitely could be siblings or probably

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: seven years apart, six, seven years apart.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's definitely possible.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I know they should try to be friends.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed. Agreed.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else in the chapter we do after the burial?

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: The next two are fun chapters.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I just.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I will say this later.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited now.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll do after the burial, which is chapter 22.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Give me a quick summary of this.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: The dang spider does spider does like the spider

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and they get the memory.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And the spider venom.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that was such an interesting way of getting the memory.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Why?

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Dumbledore knew that Harry could do it,

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: which is like why he chose Harry to do it.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He never mentioned using the Felix Felicity, whatever.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't like I feel like Dumbledore has to know that Harry has that,

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: but he didn't even suggest he use it.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like he knows that in Harry's own capacity,

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: he can do it by himself without the help of the luck.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But then like Harry came up with that himself

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and he thought, oh, this is how I should go about it.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, like how would that have happened without the lucky potion?

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But Dumbledore thought it would have been able to happen that way

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: because otherwise he'd be like, look, you got potion.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go. Or he would have just like handed it right to him.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Give him a little vial of it.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry, take this and go get the memory. Yeah.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just thinking, like, what alternate route would he have gone?

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly,

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: the alternate route, I feel like was kind of the way

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: that Harry was trying to do things, maybe a little bit more subliminally

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and a little bit like more with more tact to it.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry just kind of went up to him and repeated what Voldemort was saying.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It was awful.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Like clearly that was not the technique, but getting on his good side like that

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and then slowly like schmoozing him over.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the way Dumbledore maybe intended him to do it.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but maybe Dumbledore knew.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: All about

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the Felix Felicis and knew he was going to take it,

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's how he like there's a potential in his omniscience.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because who's the half-blood prince?

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Could it be Dumbledore?

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Could he have planted the book there so that Harry succeeds in his potions class?

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was thinking with Slughorn, if Slughorn plants it there.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Um.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's not a half-blood.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Dumbledore?

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: OK.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: He's a muggle.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he is.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he would have written in the book and then left it in the school

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: like Dumbledore would hoard all his books and keep them in his office.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's a fair point.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he would like plant something like that

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: for Harry to just like stumble across, because obviously he's using dark spells

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: now and that's not allowed, but he's still doing it.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think Dumbledore would put that in his path.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Dumbledore, what you were saying before,

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think is true that Dumbledore like lets Harry find his own way.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't really like he lays out a path and like hopes that Harry goes down that.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But he really lets Harry make all these things based on self-discovery.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Like even the trust in him to get the memory is all at a self-discovery.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Harry needs to figure out the way to do that

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: rather than Dumbledore being like, all right, this is what I suggest.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, go here, do this.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he doesn't hand like give him everything over really easily.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the whole way that Dumbledore teaches him all these things.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Even like the questioning that he lets Harry ask and dictate all the questions.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Dumbledore very rarely ever is like, OK, just shut up for like 30 minutes

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm going to explain this all to you.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Harry has a process in Harry's mind

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and Harry has to have all the right questions for it.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And Dumbledore kind of trusts him to have all the right questions. Yeah.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's an effective learning style, but that you might miss some stuff.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So. Yep.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I. Did you did you like the way that Harry got the memory, though?

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought it was like odd.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It felt a little messy to me.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the whole getting drunk in Hagrid's cabin.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And then also all of a sudden he came out just like guns a blazing.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like super harsh questions.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like my mom died, whatever he said.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just felt like Slughorn.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like Slughorn could still have something up his sleeve

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: as like as far as defense goes, because he I felt like he was so on edge about it

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and so like prepared.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was there's defense for drunkenness.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You take it quick and it snaps you back to reality.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably a hangover cure

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: has to be there.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I felt like he was aware of like the questioning happening still.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't like that.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, just like, oh, I'll probably forget it tomorrow.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like if you didn't have the lucky potion,

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I would be like, this is not a good plan.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But just because he has them like, OK, I guess it's going to work out.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I like it without even the

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: the potion, because and I like it for one reason is that Slughorn is in the

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: he doesn't know what he did.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's trying to protect the memory because he's so drunk that he when he wakes

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: up in the morning, like there's a line that says,

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, like he didn't know what he's doing right now. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like Harry knows that

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: when he wakes up, he's going to have no memory or recall of this.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: What happens when you're drunk?

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like I think that's super compassionate and really, really great

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: because he Slughorn gets to keep this perception that he's like

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_00]: not letting anyone have this knowledge,

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: which is like pretty severe knowledge, like you shouldn't really have

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: a knowledge of how you conduct horcruxes and like, you know, how many

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: even though Slughorn really should just give this information up.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: He gets to rest easy knowing that he's like he still has control over this.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And they actually have the memory.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I saw I love that it's like compassionate on Slughorn,

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but still they have what they need to have.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And they can go forward like nobody's harmed in this,

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: which I think is great.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He remains guiltless. Yeah, for sure.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's probably still as guilty, but at least he doesn't know.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually gave it up. Yeah.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And another fair point to this.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your point is great because he

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it'd feel better for Dumbledore or for Slughorn

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: if he actually willingly gave this up and was like, you know, OK,

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to just like deal with all my guilt at this moment.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And like if you can figure out a way to defeat him like this. Great.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Use this to your own advantage.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll help you in any way.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It would've been great if Slughorn came to that realization himself,

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but he's too prideful of a person, I think.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you could sell it to him, though, as like you're the only person

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like you're the last step in this pathway.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you give us this memory, Voldemort is going to get defeated.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you could. So important.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Like just butter him up.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a great point.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not what happened.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that's all because Harry ruined it right in the beginning.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So then he was super on edge with him.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But and it's to Harry's credit, too, because he's not manipulative.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he almost didn't know how to do this.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: He like didn't want to do this

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_00]: because it was kind of icky and kind of manipulative

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: to like steal this memory from another person.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was just like trusting the. Yeah.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Felix. I know.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's doing nonverbal spells to like he's filling up the bottle.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's great. I love that. Yeah.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it'd be fun to take liquid luck.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: What would you do?

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Did we already ask that?

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's a it's a great question.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think you said just a normal day, right?

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Just have like a great day. Yeah. Nice.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Like just take it in the morning.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing to do that day and just like see where the day goes.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He still has some left, and I'm so curious

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: as to why or where that's coming back.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I know he didn't do all of it.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So when is he going to take the rest of it?

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think Harry's going to do with the rest of it?

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a real question.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he might give it out to people.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting. I could see.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like one of his friends having a moment where they need it

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and Harry would give it to them.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, like doing it whenever he goes with Dumbledore

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: on this mission, like that almost seems risky to me.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. Like I don't trust the luck.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but and I don't know if Dumbledore would let him do that either

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: because you want to be like fully.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: There. Yeah, very true.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it seems like a little like tipsy to me almost like when you're

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_00]: you're like half drunk. Yeah.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, liquid luck is a weird thing.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, one of the questions is, is it placebo or not?

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's fascinating.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's placebo because Harry wasn't even thinking for himself

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: like Ron's experience is placebo.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But then for Harry, it was like, oh, I'm just trusting Felix.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't know why I'm going here, but I know that's what I'm supposed to do.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that just his instinct?

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Does Felix essentially shove down the logical part of your brain

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and just have you acting only on instinct?

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like is Harry does Harry just need to trust his instinct

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: because he doesn't know that Slughorn's out there?

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't for sure.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But in Harry's mind, he wants to take a trip to Hagrid's.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like his instinct is like to go befriend this person,

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: go help him while he's mourning.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And that comes up.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, everything just kind of happens to go right for him in the moment.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he happens to come across Slughorn.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, maybe Harry's instinct really was to go comfort another person,

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: which is weird because I don't know if that's really his instinct

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: because he just didn't do that with Tonks, but he'll do it Hagrid, you know?

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. Dead spider.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, exactly.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a placebo either, but I think it's an interesting question.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, nice.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Was there any other new information you gained from like Lily's story?

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I feel like Harry's never talked about it like this way before.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of new.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And then.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the new information mostly is just from the memory. Yeah.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, I almost feel like Slughorn has a thing for Lily

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's like so.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Um. Like he praises her so much and it's so odd.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that is I think that is a sign.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're hyper aware of that.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have not.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my week has been wrecked.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there is a difference that I know for someone

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: who just genuinely loves teaching like.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't view Slughorn in a creepy light like that,

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: like he has like any kind of feelings for Lily.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I just think he loves people who are powerful and and like influential.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Lily was that to a T.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like she was. Super underrated.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: No one in school recognized her.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And out of everyone like Slughorn saw her as like the

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_00]: diamond in the rough and was like, this girl is going to be great.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_00]: She's going to go on to be minister of magic.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_00]: She is so talented.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was like Slughorn's pride and joy.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So I see it more in like a dad sort of way, like super proud of his kids.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And I do. I just don't think I can think of anything.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so here's one thing.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about this too.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Slughorn's not pushing the boundary.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Slughorn clearly knows where the boundaries are.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I think physical contact. Yeah.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not like hugging people.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Slughorn's not doing any of that.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Slughorn clearly knows where the boundaries are and he doesn't cross those.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: People who are groomers will constantly push the boundaries.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But he knows where the boundaries are, and that's why I view him

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: much more as like a dad than I do of anything else.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's he's just a good, effective teacher who knows.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, it's an interesting thing, whether he's a creepy guy or he's not.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that could be a huge debate in the Harry Potter community.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But my interpretation of him is...

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Before you even told me that I got groomed.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I am a little aware deep down inside.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just an interpretation of a character, which is fascinating

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: because you as a female interpreting this character

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: different from how I'm interpreting him.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't know.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen him like that a ton in.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_00]: This book, like what have you come across in the book

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_00]: that you view Slughorn a little bit more creepy than I do?

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's like the amount of times that he's like,

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I love Lily, like Lily was the best.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Like that to me is.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Weird.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And like the fact that he remembers her so long,

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess if you have like a great student and they die,

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: like they're going to live on in your memory forever.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's my explanation of it.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's trying to befriend Harry because he knows how great Harry's

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_00]: going to become.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And he is trying to like give Harry these last vestiges of like

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_00]: memories of his mom, which I think are so meaningful

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: because Harry doesn't have any like he has no real memory of his mom.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when Hagrid gives him this book, he's like a less effective Hagrid.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Hagrid gives him this book of his parents, all these pictures in it.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He like goes and that's super meaningful.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And Slughorn has these great memories of Lily because of how brilliant she was.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So he is constantly feeding into Harry's mind,

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: like how incredible your mother was, like she was great.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I think my interpretation again of that is just he's genuinely

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: wanting Harry to like him and.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how he's trying to do it.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, but I don't know.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just move on.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go on to his actual memory, which is chapter 23, which is Horcruxes.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I will say one point, and this is like one of my favorites

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: in the entire series, because I think this transforms

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: how I view the Lily and Slughorn thing.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So the last point on this is the movies actually change this

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: like slightly where this is what it says in the books.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry says, but she didn't move.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Dad is already there, but she didn't want me to go to.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_00]: She tried to plead with Voldemort, but he just laughed.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: That's enough.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like said Slughorn suddenly raising his hand.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Really, my dear boy, enough.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm an old man.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to hear.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to hear.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: In light, Harry Felix Felicis leading on.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You liked her, didn't you?

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Liked her, said Slughorn, his eyes brimming with tears once more.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine anyone who met her

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: wouldn't have liked her very brave, very funny.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It was the most horrible thing.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But you won't help her son, said Harry.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: She gave me her life, but you won't give me a memory.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And reading that, it's a little it's a little like intense,

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: a little like kind of like a little creepy.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But in the movies, they have this story that they actually tell.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I am so on.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the best changes that they ever made in the movies.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It says so he's in a conversation with Hagrid.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Slughorn.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Slughorn's in a conversation with Hagrid before, like they're both drunk.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Slughorn is talking about how life is so short.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, you're here one moment and then poof, you're gone.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And Slughorn says, I had a fish once.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I came down to my office one one day and poof, he was gone.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, but that's life, you know?

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like super drunk when he says it. It's cute.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Hagrid gets knocked out because he's like he just goes black, blacks out.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Slughorn turns to Harry and says, it was a student who gave me Francis.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: One spring afternoon, I discovered a bowl on my desk,

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_00]: just a few inches of clear water in it floating on the surface was a flower petal.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: As I watched it sink just before it reached the bottom,

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: it was transformed into a wee fish.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It was beautiful magic, wondrous to behold.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: The flower petal had come from a lily, your mother.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: The day came downstairs, the day the bowl was empty.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It was the day your mother.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he cuts off and doesn't say anything.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. And I think that's so good.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's one of the best uses of like good storytelling

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that they have in the movies

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: because it makes you think high, even higher of Lily than you do.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, Chapter 23 is Horcruxes.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So can you give me a summary of this one and what the memory actually has?

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So basically, Harry runs right up to Dumbledore

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: in his office and then they just go straight into the memory,

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: which is Slughorn talking to Tom Riddle.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: She like rewrites that entire scene.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Yep.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And then basically Tom Riddle asks like a bunch of questions

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: about Horcruxes and how they're made.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, if you're more powerful, the more you make.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And Slughorn tells him like everything.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And he like Slughorn is kind of uncomfortable.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, what are you talking about?

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like seven is like crazy.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you kill that many people?

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And then finally he's like, just get out. We're done.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Dumbledore starts to explain Horcruxes

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and what he thinks they are.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And then like the ones that they've already found

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and the ones that might be.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's it.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And some of your predictions.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of my predictions!

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: We're pretty dead on.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I was so happy.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It was great.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like, what do you always say?

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the synapses are firing, but they're not landing.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, OK, we're finally landing.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Connections are actually being made.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so one of the first questions that I have is

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: is it seven or is it six Horcruxes?

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I was a little confused about that

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: because he said he made like six, right?

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So then like the part that's actually Voldemort walking around

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: is in a Horcrux.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It's actual Voldemort. Yeah, it's not a Horcrux.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So then seven, I'm assuming would be like Harry.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Because one has...

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I had this, I was thinking about this so hard.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: The whole prophecy thing.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That also gets unwound a little bit in here.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like how the prophecy is made, but it doesn't necessarily need to be fulfilled.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But then it's kind of like because Voldemort chose

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to believe that it was going to happen.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like he acted and then it became real.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But then Harry doesn't need to like fulfill the prophecy.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But just based on his character, it's like he has no...

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Like in his own mind, it's like there is no choice but to do

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like the right thing and defeat Voldemort.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like, I don't know.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't feel like they're fulfilling the prophecy because the prophecy was made.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they're fulfilling the prophecy because it's their destiny,

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: which I guess is a prophecy.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know. I was like very confused.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But if one can't live...

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: What is that? One has to die.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Neither can live while the other survives.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Neither can live

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: while the other survives.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you have to kill all the Horcruxes

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: before you can kill Voldemort, then like Harry has to die

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: before Voldemort dies.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how that works.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But then now it kind of fulfilled the prophecy of like

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: neither can live while the other one survives.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, because then Harry dying will allow Voldemort to die.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I was confused,

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: but I was correct also on some things.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you nailed a lot of them.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You nailed a lot of good predictions.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Where are the other Horcruxes?

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about your theories for what they are.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Where are they?

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think one is hidden in the room requirement.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what Draco's after then?

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, maybe. I don't know.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why Draco would want a Horcrux, though.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like when he entered, when Harry entered that room,

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, ooh, I remember this.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Really? Like this is somewhere in my memory.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_00]: The synapses are firing. I don't know if they're landing yet.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought like I remember there being multiple people in there.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, maybe this happens in like the battle at the end,

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like they come in here and they try to like get the Horcrux.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But definitely my brain remembered that room.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what's in there, but I'm just going to say Horcruxes in there.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, interesting.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I do not know what it would be,

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but I also think the Bloody Baron's axe that killed him is in there

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: or nearly had this neck because there's that bloody axe.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, whoa, definitely is like how nearly had this Nick died

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and they chopped him with the axe and then like somebody hid the axe.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So some student murdered him.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's wild.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was thinking.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so gory.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that wrong? Do we know how he died?

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: No. I don't think so.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So some Hogwarts student killed him through the axe in that room.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Dun, dun, dun.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's intense.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, why else would you mention a bloody axe?

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a fair point.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great point.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Why else is there a bloody axe there?

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, maybe.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe it's like Buckbeak's axe, but Buckbeak didn't even die.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like something got beheaded.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The pumpkin, according to the movies, like he chops a pumpkin in half.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. OK, I like I like where you're going with this.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Fascinating questions.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm hmm.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So Tom is a student and he already wants to make Horcruxes.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. When does he make his first one?

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell you that.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think it's like Horcruxes is made.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Potters are killed.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: More Horcruxes are made.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's like the order.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Hold on. No, that can't be the order.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So is Voldemort making Horcruxes currently?

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he has to make at least one after Harry dies. Why?

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Because didn't he say like he needs to make one with everybody he kills?

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And then like he kills.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not everybody.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's essentially like it's not everybody that he kills

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_00]: because he's killed way more than

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_00]: the amount of Horcruxes that there are.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there's like a purposeful murder for every Horcrux.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But Dumbledore said like he intended to make his last Horcrux with you, I think.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. So.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe Voldemort is still carrying around this object

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_00]: waiting for the last Horcrux to be made with Harry.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think he had to have Horcruxes made before he killed the Potters.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And all of his Horcruxes made except for the one that is the

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: except for the seventh that he was going to use to kill Harry with.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he was going to make that his final Horcrux most likely. OK.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's he's not creating any more now.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But I just want to know when he started.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: He started making them pretty much in school.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And we have some of the memories.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So think about like what he was doing.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Why was he working at Borgin and Burks?

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_00]: When he could be doing anything else,

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: he wanted working in the ministry, doing like more important things

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: because he was hunting out important objects.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So he was probably making Horcruxes while he was working at Borgin and Burks.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like 20.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So young, yeah, he's young 20s right there, yeah.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So like what Tonks his age was around there.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Tonks and Voldemort.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's perfect.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So he found that

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: um, necklace.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What did that lady have?

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Hepzibah, whatever.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Hepzibah Smith had the locket.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And it fell into her possession and she had the cup.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So he made the locket one.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Immediately, I guess, because he killed her right away.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when he disappeared

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_01]: after that from Borgin and Burks, so maybe that was like in the sequence

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: that was like the.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the final one before.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And then making Harry was going to be the last one.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But there was some time that passed.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So when did he become like, but a wisp of smoke

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and soul like floating through?

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: When he died for the first time, when he tried to kill Harry and it didn't work,

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: then he kind of became a wisp.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: He was a soul floating through it.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Because his actual body died.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_00]: There's some debate on this.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Even there's some debate on what actually happened to Voldemort's body when he died.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Joe has given some kind of explanation for this.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot exactly what it was, but.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when he died, he like his body died,

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: but he couldn't enter into the rest or like the next world,

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: the next life, because his soul is still has still.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Tethers, little ropes like higher balloons to this world.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So his soul was unable to leave this world.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it looked like.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It was like a little soul ball floating around in place.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it looks like at all.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But then the way that he

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: gets resurrected is the first way he does is he becomes a parasite

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_00]: on the back of Quirrell's head because he woos Quirrell out there.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Essentially, like.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and he's like gaining strength with the slowly gaining strength.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So Quirrell is helping him gain strength with the unicorn thing.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_00]: They were hoping to bring him back fully

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_00]: with the elixir of life.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That didn't work.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry foiled that plan after that.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he's the baby thing.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: The no. Well, close.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: The diary is a is the weirdest one.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And the diary has is why I misunderstood Horcruxes for a long period of time,

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_00]: because I thought Horcruxes were more respawn points than they were tethers

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: where like if you use up a Horcrux and then you come back to life

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_00]: seven lives, but it's not that.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But the diary is so confusing because essentially it looked like

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: the diary was slowly losing its power and it was going into.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It was going into Tom Riddle, who was soon going to become Lord Voldemort.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also a weird thing about this because.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Lord Voldemort, his body is still out there,

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_00]: like part of his soul is still out there.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a huge question if if he succeeded in the second book,

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_00]: would there have been two Lord Voldemorts?

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And most people say no, that his soul would essentially just have evaporated

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and the new Voldemort, which would be Tom Riddle,

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_00]: like young Tom Riddle, would have taken his place.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of debate in the Harry Potter universe about that one.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's wild. So there could have been two Voldemorts.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know. It's a weird one.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: The third book, he's not really in it.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the fourth book, he's like this baby.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And they he becomes a being by they impregnate

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Bertha Jorkins and she gives birth and they dispose of her.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And then that is like baby Voldemort.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: They attach his soul to that, I guess, that fetus or something like that,

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: that baby.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they throw him this potion, the potion brings him back to full power.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird, weird stuff.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Real stuff. I know a lot of creepy stuff going on in these chapters.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so there's another line that I want to talk about.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Or it says

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Dumbledore says, yes, I think so, said Dumbledore.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Without his horcruxes, Voldemort will be a mortal man

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_00]: with a maimed and diminished soul.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Never forget, though, that while his soul may be damaged beyond repair,

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_00]: his brain and his magical powers must remain intact and they remain intact.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It will take uncommon skill and a power

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and power to kill a wizard like Voldemort, even without his horcruxes.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But I haven't gotten uncommon skill and power, said Harry, before he could stop

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_00]: himself. Yes, you have, said Dumbledore firmly.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You have power that Voldemort has never had.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You can. I know, said Harry.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I can love.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It was only with difficulty that he stopped himself adding big deal.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Harry, you can love, said Dumbledore, who looked as though

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: he knew perfectly well what Harry had for free and from saying,

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: which given everything that has happened to you is a great and remarkable thing.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You are still too young to understand how unusual you are, Harry.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about this idea again?

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've talked about this a lot, but

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: does Harry possess any other skills besides love?

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, but I guess the standout thing is that he does love.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. So I see the importance of

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: why it's necessary. OK.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I guess one of the final ones in this chapter is how do you actually

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: destroy a horcrux?

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like thinking you had to break it like the journal got stabbed.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, and I'm assuming you need to make like a.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Point where the soul can like leak out.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, I don't like deflating a tire.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You just poke a little hole and so slowly because murder

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like you have to murder someone to make one.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't even understand like why that's necessary at this point. Yeah.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like this random side fact.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Fair point.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Will someone find a cool object

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and somehow pour your soul into it?

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Dumbledore banned the whole like topic from discussion even like.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. What do you think about that?

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Major censorship?

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I am very anti-censorship and that feels a little strange to me, but I mean.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to have like, you know, instructions

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_00]: how to make a nuclear bomb in your your library.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess censorship to some extent.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess so.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I totally last podcast did not think about

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: how like Borgen and Burks and like whatever that other street is.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Nocturnal. Yeah, nocturnality like that would all have dark magic stuff in it.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I was like, oh, Hogwarts Library doesn't have it.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: No one knows.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like there's so much more to the wizarding world.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I know.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, Slughorn was like, oh, so many people get drawn to it like.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was wondering, like, why would Dumbledore ban the topic before?

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It even becomes like.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: An issue, like why would you assume that your teenage students

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: are going to like attempt to make horcrux and murder people?

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I just feel like he has experience with it.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was thinking about his brother with the goats,

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_01]: because then you can make a horcrux like a real like into an animal.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Or I said that backwards.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_00]: There are seven goats out there that are seven horcruxes.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like, what if his brother like made this goat into a horcrux

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and that like he didn't like that?

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So then now he's anti horcrux or Dumbledore's friend, Nicholas Flamel,

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_01]: who was obsessed with the idea of living eternally and has the whole stone.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, maybe he was trying to make a horcrux too.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think living eternally is a little bit of a.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Little overrated.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I do not want to live eternally at all.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think Nicholas Flamel knew that, which is why he like gave up his elixir

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and he had enough to set his affairs in order.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And he was like ready to, you know, ready to go on.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Voldemort would get bored of it.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what Voldemort is planning.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't he fight like Grindelwald?

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Who? Dumbledore? Yeah.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Why did they fight?

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Was he trying to make horcruxes?

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Like

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: they fought because.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Grindelwald, Grindelwald essentially was the second darkest wizard.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_00]: To have been known in wizard kind and Dumbledore was trying to stop him.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That is all the information I will give you on that.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So if he's super dark, he's probably trying to make horcruxes.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm no, I don't know.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not making horcruxes.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is like a Voldemort exclusive.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_00]: There are there have been other wizards who have tried to make horcruxes.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have a huge list of them, but

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Grindelwald was not trying to make horcruxes.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody made a horcrux at some point, though.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he's gone further than anyone else.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. So someone has. Yeah.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess they got destroyed.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I forgot who the first person was.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, yeah, I don't know.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot what his name is.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a intense name for the first person who made a horcrux.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Mundungus. Mundungus?

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It was way, way earlier than that.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Dumbledore can see the means of concealing it,

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: which is a whole nother level of Dumbledore's power, which got me.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's insane because he's like finding it

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: by being aware of the fact that something is hidden there.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like he's not even finding the thing.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, oh, that looks suspicious.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Oh, it was Herpo the Fowl, who was the first breeder of a basilisk.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Herpo? Herpo the Fowl.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_00]: What a name. Herpes?

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_00]: He definitely had herpes and he was mad about that.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, say that again?

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Herpo the Fowl, who was the first breeder of a basilisk

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and also the first maker of a horcrux.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_00]: This guy was dark.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I would love, I would love a movie about this guy.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_00]: This whole, this whole movie would be how he had herpes

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and they started making fun of him as a kid.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_01]: He probably got herpes from the basilisk

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the disease was just like named after him.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how herpes came into being.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. Wild.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy. Herpo.

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, interesting.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of information in that chapter

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_00]: that we will continually revisit for the rest of the series.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. But let's go to the last one, which is Sectumsempra.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Give me a summary.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Hang on, I'm reading all my underlines.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, this is when,

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: is this like it starts off with Quidditch, I think.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And then basically the reason it's titled that

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: is because he finds Malfoy crying.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry finds Malfoy crying in the bathroom.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they, Malfoy like turns around

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and is going to like jinx him or something.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Then they start fighting.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Malfoy is going to use an unforgivable curse.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, he's about, he's going to do more than just jinx him.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_00]: He's about to use an unforgivable curse on him.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Harry comes back with this random spell

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that he's been waiting to try on his enemies.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. Thanks to the prince.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he uses it and Malfoy gets all caught up and gross.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Snape comes to the rescue and saves Malfoy and puts Harry in detention.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's it.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was so leaning of Snape.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Harry should have probably been like expelled.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Really? I don't know why he was being so nice.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And even the detention is just like sorting through files,

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like alphabetizing files.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's like for sure.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Snape is like,

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think told by Dumbledore, the order, like don't mess around with Harry

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: at this point.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, interesting.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so unsafe for Harry to be outside of school

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that like they can't expel him.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So Snape is doing this with that in mind.

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So he is he playing more to Draco side or is he playing more to Harry's side?

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's playing to Dumbledore's side and like obeying orders.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know because yeah, he's bound to Malfoy,

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: which I kind of was not even thinking about like to protect him.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also feel like maybe Dumbledore.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Is making yeah, like Harry can't go, he can't get expelled at this point.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_00]: For what he did, he I'm sure that he should instantly.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is this is absurd for what Harry has done

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm assuming if he wasn't patched up right away,

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_01]: he would die from bleeding out like very quickly.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I thought my crazy theory, I was like,

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_01]: what if this entire time Snape has been so mean to Harry

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_01]: because Dumbledore was trying to make sure that he had a very negative

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: connotation of the dark arts so that like there would be no

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_01]: even interest to like pay attention to things that could be dark

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: because Filch is dark and he hates Filch.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Snape is dark. He hates Snape. Yeah.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, what if it was all just like a protective measure

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_01]: to make sure that yeah, we hate the dark arts?

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually kind of brilliant.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's something Dumbledore would do as well.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like Snape wouldn't care.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He'd be like, fine, OK, Harry can hate me.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever. For sure.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else hates me.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So why not throw another person onto that list?

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I was actually fascinating.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you did that on his like on an order.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what if in 20 years or just like sitting around

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and Snape's like, oh, yeah, like I was not really.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have anything against you.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like they told me to be mean.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they told me that I was supposed to be nasty to you.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts on Draco in this whole chapter?

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. Is it pretty crazy to see him in this state, though?

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like pretty depressed. He's pretty sad.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_00]: He's confiding in Myrtle.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is nuts. That's a little pathetic.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a little sad.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping that it was going to be like Snape crying in there with Myrtle.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I don't know.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like it's like Malfoy is probably crying himself to sleep

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: every night anyway.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think he's like this is probably that out of character for him.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, something's happening behind the scenes or he's like his life is at risk.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But I have no pity.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_00]: No pity for Draco.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't care.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. All right.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Dang. Not a big empathy for it.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Not for Death Eaters.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have empathy.

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So die.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. All right.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So when they're when yeah, this whole little battle goes on, Harry's

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_00]: again, Harry should have probably been expelled after this is absurd

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_00]: that he wasn't more severely punished for this.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But they go to the room of requirement and he goes to hide it.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a line that you were talking about with his bloodstained accesses.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_00]: He gasped despite his haste, his panic, his fear of what awaited him

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_00]: back in the bathroom.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_00]: He could not help be overawed by what he was looking at.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_00]: He was standing in a room the size of a large cathedral

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: whose high windows were sending shafts of light down upon

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_00]: what looked like a city with towering walls built of what Harry must

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: knew must be objects hidden by generations of Hogwarts inhabitants.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_00]: There were alleyways and roads

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_00]: bordered by teetering piles of broken and damaged furniture stowed away,

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_00]: perhaps to hide the evidence of a mishandled magic

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_00]: or else hidden by castle proud house elves.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: They were there were thousands and thousands of books,

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_00]: no doubt banned or graffiti or stolen.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_00]: There were winged catapults and fanged frisbees, some still with enough life

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_00]: in them to hover halfheartedly over the mountain of other forbidden items.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_00]: There were chip bottles of congealed potions, hats, jewels, cloaks.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_00]: There was what looked like dragon eggshells, corked

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_00]: corked bottles whose contents still shimmered evilly.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Several rusting swords and a heavy blood stained axe.

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So you think that axe is some significant importance right there?

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why is that the last thing in the list?

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I would go in there and I would like take whatever.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right. It'd be so cool to chill in there for a little bit.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many fascinating objects there.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And even when they have this, they like look on this again where he hides it.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It says he stuffed the half blood prince's book behind a cage and slammed the door.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He paused for a moment, his heart thumping horribly, gazing around the clutter.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Would he be able to find the spot again if it saw this chunk?

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Seizing the chipped bust of an ugly old warlock from on top of a nearby crate,

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_00]: he stood it up in the cupboard where the book was now hidden.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Perched a dusty old wig and a tarnished tiara

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_00]: on the statue's head to make it more distinctive.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Then sprinted back through the alleyway of hidden junk as fast as he could go

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_00]: back to the door, back out into the corridor where he slammed the door

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_00]: behind him and turned and turned it back at once to stone.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, this was even it says he hurried past an enormous stuffed troll,

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_00]: ran on a short way, he took a left at the broken vanishing cabinet,

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_00]: which Montague got lost in the previous year.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Finally pausing beside a large cupboard, which seemed to have had acid

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_00]: thrown at its blistered surface.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like there's a lot of weird objects in here, but I would love

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I would love more than anything to go into that room and just like

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_00]: tour it for a day, just like see what cool objects are there.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so fun. I know, honestly.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's the archive of a museum.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, seriously.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like I always wonder what like underneath the Smithsonian's like.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's even like cooler than a museum because it's like band objects.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. It's like there's cool stuff in there that you can still use.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder I wonder how many dark things are in there, though.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like some of that stuff does seem kind of heartless, like a bloodstained axe is like,

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so someone got murdered in the castle and they were hiding the murder weapon.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_00]: That's literally pretty intense.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So can you like a reverse?

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the spell on like a normal weapon and see who it murdered?

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe. Can you like cast that spell?

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That should be kind of fascinating.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_01]: A normal thing.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_01]: See what who it murdered?

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Because maybe there's some magic in that.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. It might be.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably not.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if it's goblin made, it might have some magic in it.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Goblins instilling some of their magic into their their weaponry.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What's your hair is crazy.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the sticking up?

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right. That's good.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_00]: What's the coolest object that you ever just found randomly?

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean, like stumbled upon?

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We're like found in like a bookstore, like you found like some rare

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're like, oh, this is cool.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. I feel like

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: in my yard when we were kids, my siblings and I would go down

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and like the we have like a little bit of woods and then a stream

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and we would always find like old

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: metal objects that are like coming up out of the ground

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_01]: because our house like it used to be a hay farm.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So we found like boot buckle straps and like old saddle things.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And tools like some really big stuff.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We found like a the metal band that goes on like a big barrel cask.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So like that's cool.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And like we were I was like a big history buff when I was little.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So I would go on like all these tangents and be like, oh, making up stories

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: for all this stuff.

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But it is fun to just find that stuff.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_00]: There's like a thrill to it. Yeah.

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we made up a whole story about who it was, because one day

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: we found a brick with like somebody's name inscribed in it.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, just stuff was always floating down the stream.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so you just get scared.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he like did that in those years.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really? Oh, yeah.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, but. But yeah,

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I just saw it read a story.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi. Of someone who is magnet fishing and they found

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_00]: like a safe with like fifty thousand dollars of like old notes

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and all of them were damaged.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But the I think like the the mint or the treasury will replace all those.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So the guy walked away like 50 grand because he was magnet fishing.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen more and more people on like hikes just walking in the woods,

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_00]: middle of the woods with like a metal detector.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. One was like really creepy the other day.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like deep into the woods.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like on a trail that no one ever goes to.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, bud. See? And I know.

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just heard a beep and I was like, what the heck was that?

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And I look in like 100 yards in the woods

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_00]: with this guy who is just had his little headphones on.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. He was looking for objects.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where you were hiking, but a lot of the hikes up here,

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: like the woods, it used to all be like iron smelting stuff.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's like a probably a bunch of cool stuff to find.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. There's a lot of like hidden treasure to Danny, who's season one.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_00]: There is one up in a park nearby us

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_00]: across the border.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's like instructions on where this treasure is.

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And no one's found it yet.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. I think you're telling me about that.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty cool. That is cool.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I like finding bones and stuff when I'm out.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of fun. Some pretty cool stuff.

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that stuff is really fun.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like little little treasure hunting.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever gone geocaching?

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Not now. Really?

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_00]: The two nerdy for you?

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know. I feel like it's spooky.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of find something weird.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I kind of have the spooky element.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_01]: My friends at school, they go to the quarry

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's like definitely illegal to go up there with shovels and stuff.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But they always go and they find like a bunch of cool like crystals and stuff.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they would like bribe me for answers with like crystals and stuff.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So my one friend was like, I'll bring you like this amethyst

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_01]: if you like give me the answers.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm definitely doing that.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And then finally it was just like he gave me like a whole bunch of them

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_01]: which is like, thank you for helping me pass the class.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, come on, I would never let you feel this class anyway.

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I would have done it for free.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have a bunch of cool crystals.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It was all group work anyway, but that was fun.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I always wanted to go with them, but they both are gone now.

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So really, I don't know what to do.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi. That's like legit treasure hunting, though.

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they would go out like pickaxes and shovels.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That kind of stuff is so fun, though.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I know. What do you get caught?

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I know. Yeah.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I feel like you won't get in that much trouble for treasure hunting.

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But in like the quarry.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, in the quarry, it's definitely like a little scary.

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but your eyes are rolling in the back of your head.

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You're so tired.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's definitely places that it's

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_00]: it'll be a little scarier to go to.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Like when I was in high school, all my friends were really into treasure hunting.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_00]: They were into like weird New Jersey stuff,

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_00]: which is like these locations that are kind of haunted.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So they go to all of them.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And I never wanted to do them because they were all scary.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I did a few of them with them.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's because it was like freaky because like they're trespassing. Yeah.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I found two Huskies on the road.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: They were lost.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: What? And then we called the cops, me and my brother.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_00]: When?

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_01]: This was like a few years ago.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_01]: There was just two enormous, beautiful Huskies.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And we were desperately trying to get them to come in the car with us.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But they wouldn't.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, were they huge?

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were enormous.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like bigger than Moose.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Like literally the one thing that I see on TikTok all the time

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_00]: is these people who like are on the side of the road and they found find a dog.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Like why does that never happen to me?

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It just happened to my sister the other day too.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. She fully like rescued a dog with like strangers.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: They all like united over rescuing this dog.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I am so jealous.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty sweet.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I was I would die if that happened to me.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I would be so ecstatic.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this cute little puppy comes running out and you rescue that dog

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you're bonded for life.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty nice.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy just gives me looks all day.

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, Wes.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to have a brother or a sister or something like that.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's all.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: For your sake, Wes.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: For your sake. Exactly. You're not being replaced.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You'd never be replaced.

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You're like the best.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else in this chapter?

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. I feel like so much happens.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes. I was fully expecting

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Snape to be like, why does this say Ronald Weasley on it?

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Harry be like, oh, that's my nickname.

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Snape be like, no, it's because you lied.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the half-blood prince.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a snake to say that.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And I thought he was going to like

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: just reveal himself and be like the only person who would know that is like

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: the person who stole my book.

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought he was going to get all mad.

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And do you not think Snape is the half-blood prince anymore

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_00]: because he didn't reveal himself?

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely made me question that theory.

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, but. I don't know, because.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Snape needs to be measured right now

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: because he I don't know, I feel like there's a lot happening.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure. But.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I yeah, I was shocked that he didn't say that

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: because I thought that's what he was going to do.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like I wrote that spell.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only reason you know it.

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was like, oh, it's just like dark magic in general.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, hmm.

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because if there was a moment to reveal himself here and like he like

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_00]: he would have known he'd be like, OK, so maybe he's.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to throw up, Wes?

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's right.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I think like maybe he would have known

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_00]: it was a.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's like a runoff where he's not necessarily

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the half-blood prince because he didn't like say, hey, how do you know this spell?

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That was my spell.

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So you must be having my book.

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You must be stealing stuff from my book.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Or he's going to wait till like detention someday.

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe. And just do it then.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And like pay him back.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I felt like he knew what was happening

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: because he was like, this is your copy of the book.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: This is where you got it from.

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Because why would it even be in the potions book?

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: A spell. Like, why would he be insistent that it's potions?

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a fair point.

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't it be like charms or something?

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a fair point.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. We'll see.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: We got we got a few more good chapters in this in this book

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: that we'll we'll get to when we get to.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Any last things?

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I could go on and on.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is what I said I was going to say later.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually did the house cup and stuff for you.

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes. Let's go.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Answers. All right.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: House cup. Give me the last three house cup.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: My house. They're all very random, but my house cup is Ron.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Why? Because I just loved Ron in these chapters so much.

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was kind of sassy. Yeah.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like standing up and like actually talking.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. I just really like Ron.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like most of these came before

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the main plot of like, yeah,

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: doing whatever with Wilmore or Harry and Malfoy.

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But then my favorite moment is Ron saying I love you to Hermione.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was the best moment ever.

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That was so sweet. True love. True love.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I don't know who my hot tamale is.

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say it was Hermione because Hermione was like lowkey,

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: very respectful the entire time that Ron and

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Lavender were together.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, that's a kind of hot tamale of her to just like let it do its thing

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and know that she's like, really? Yeah.

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: She's got a real hot tamale energy right there.

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But then I was like, Ginny obviously is like hot tamale in the sense of like

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry's head over heels for her.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they have like the big kiss at the end.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Great moment. So yeah, those are my.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Those are great answers. Wow. I love that.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: All of which we did not touch on.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I know we didn't touch on any of it, which is why it came to my mind. Yeah.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: That's why there's so much more in this book that we can sit and talk for hours.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and like the the Felix whatever potion.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: What is it?

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Felix Felicis.

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Felix Felicis.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like not only did it get Harry what he needed, like he got the memory.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But then like Slughorn got the venom that he wanted.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He caused a rift in Dean and Ginny's relationship.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And then a lot of things went for him.

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Broke up Ron and Lavender.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like I could still all explain that by logic, though,

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: or by intuition.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but no one cares because it was the lucky potion.

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He's lived. So I'm not going to explain it.

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: No one cares.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not placebo. It's real.

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But I love those moments

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: because like everything kind of went right for Harry.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I would love to have that for a day.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And just like everything go right for me today.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. You know, it'd be wonderful.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But do you have House Cup things?

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, House Cup is Harry for obtaining the memory.

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Love that. Love how he did it.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Favorite moment is I love their Quidditch win.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I love everything about Quidditch, but the fact that Harry was in detention

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and they still won and Ginny was the one that caught it.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Freaking. Let's go.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So pumped about that.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And they have a make out session after that.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, let's go. Nice. Finally.

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And then my hat to Molly is my girl Tonks

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: because who doesn't love a sad girl?

[01:06:21] So.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's so cool, though.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Anytime she pops up in these chapters like Jen always gives it to Ginny

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: because Ginny's hat to Molly for her.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I always give it to Tonks because Tonks is like Tonks is my girl.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I mean, I give it to Sirius like every single time I mention Sirius

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I love Sirius.

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Tonks fan. Yeah.

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks for joining us on a journey of Harry Potter and the First Time Readers.

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: See ya. Bye.

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