Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince: Ch 17-20

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Jon. I'm Lizzie. And this is Harry Potter and the First Time Readers.

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Second time reader.

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_03]: We're already in book six so they can't get in book six.

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, we're doing four more chapters as we are through the entirety of this book so

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_03]: 17 18 19 and 20 are the subjects of this podcast

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And let's start with a great chapter one of one of the best ones in the book

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think which is the sluggish memory. Mm-hmm. Give me a quick summary of this

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So the chapter starts out they're getting apparition lessons

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Apparition you can say again. You can say it. However, you want to say it could be morphine

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_03]: more fine

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It could be more fine. He Marvolo Marvolo

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Could be apparition or apparition

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So after that then Harry goes to Dumbledore's lesson and

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: They have a little conversation about Snape and the minister

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Malfoy and then they go into Morphine's memory. Yeah of

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Tom Riddle killing

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Or coming into the Gaunt House and then talking to Morphine in parcel tongue or a parcel mouth

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which one's the language the parcel mouth and they speak parcel tongue? Okay

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: so they spoke in parcel tongue and then

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: After hearing about his family for Morphine and about his mom and his dad he goes across the street Tom Riddle does

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: kills his parents and

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Then goes back to Morphine alters his memory makes him think he killed him. Yeah

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Boom, and then do they go into another memory? I

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Believe so

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Is what

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is I think there's like the crux of the whole chapter so this is Oh

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Slughorn's memory which seems really weird. I'll talk we'll talk about some questions that we have for that

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Slughorn's memory seems a little strange

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: because they

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Atrocious

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Slughorn

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Tom Riddle asks Slughorn what's a horcrux and then he's like

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then obviously the memories altered like that's not what happened okay cuz I'm assuming

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Leaving the summary side of this. I'm assuming that

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Slughorn told him about horcruxes and then he probably like internally blames himself for Voldemort's rise to power

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Why do you think that?

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He told him about

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Horcruxes though, like what in this chapter led you to believe that

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just like the whole storyline so far because if you were the one and

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You knew it that you told Voldemort. You told Lord Voldemort how to become Lord Voldemort

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna hate yourself

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's probably like I don't know if he washed his own memory of it and like he changed it in his own way

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like it's hard not to blame yourself for his rise to power

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: if you were the one that told him how to like

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Split your soul and live. Yeah. Yeah, so just like overbearing guilt

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also why does Slughorn know what horcruxes are and no one else does and it's not written in the books

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, which is a fair question. Do you think that other people know what horcruxes are?

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: They just don't talk about it

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Like do you think all the professors would know what a horcrux is?

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But they just don't really want to talk about it or you think it's really like like subsets

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_03]: of groups

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Small groups like is

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Slughorn really the only professor at the school right now who knows about horcruxes and then why does he know about horcruxes? I

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Think a lot of people know about horcruxes. I don't know how you come about that knowledge. I feel like it's

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like everyone who works for the ministry would know what a horcrux is like the Weasley's

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, I think the Malfoys

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: might

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know cuz I want to say the Dark Wizards do but I feel like they don't know what a horcrux is

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think all the professors would yeah

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I would say maybe some of the professors do I don't think it's

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Insanely common knowledge. I don't really know what to equate it with in the muggle world, but I feel like

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Slughorn is in a unique brand of people here that doesn't really know or that really knows what it is

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think some of the I like I would say McGonagall probably knows what a horcrux is

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But she's noble and she's not gonna tell anybody like yeah anything any information about it. It's like she did her own research

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: She knows how reprehensible it is. And so she's like done

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: well, I think the brilliance of time or not the brilliant like the

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Psychopathic Ness of Tom Riddle is that he knew which professor to go for to get the information

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But why does Slughorn know what it is? Yeah, it's a great question

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Why is he a dark wizard good I guess so he's a Slytherin it's a really

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, there ends are dark. It's it's actually a really interesting question. I

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It might be answered later so and why if you knew that would you tell it to a student anyway

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like because he sees the potential in Tom Tom again Tom knows exactly what potential to what like not the potential

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Over the world Tom

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he sees Tom Riddle right now and sees this kid is one of the best students the school has ever seen

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I don't know. He's like better than Hermione, but he was a incredible student

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: he was doing magic far outside the bounds of normal students and

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was he had like an aura about him people were following him. He had like

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_03]: this raw

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Fame and this raw potential and I think Slughorn saw that and said I want it

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I want this kid on my side. So even if this information is evil, I'm still gonna give it to him

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So I have him on my side. So when he becomes great, he's gonna remember me

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember like I was like his favorite I gave him all this information

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So that car is a weird guy with that. I feel like his motivation is is just a little sleazy and a little slimy

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I think that's his motivation, huh?

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. Yeah, it's a good question though

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_03]: What would you would you like to operate I

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Would yeah, it'd be so nice be fun and convenient

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Super convenient, but I definitely would splinch myself several times

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't like the feeling of it like the feels like a hook behind your navel or whatever. They say. Yeah, that feels weird

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you been on those like carnival rides or they just spin really fast? You just get like pulled to the back

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It would feel like that's a good one I like a little like some G forces going on right there I

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like that

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, I definitely know don't know if I would pass first time but

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's again there's some other stuff that happens in this chapter

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: There's this line

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Where it says still so they so they still don't know where you go

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I say hoping for more information and this intriguing subject but Dumbledore merely smiled over the top of his half moon spectacles

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: No, they don't and the time is caught not quite right for you to know either now. I suggest we press on unless there's anything else

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Says Dumbledore listened to Harry's story with an impassive face when he tells him the whole story when Harry had finished

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He did not speak for a few moments and said thank you for telling me this Harry

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But I suggest that you put it out of your mind. I do not think that it is of great importance

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Not of great importance repeated Harry incredulously professor. Did you understand? Yes, Harry bless as I am with extraordinary brainpower

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I understood everything you told me said Dumbledore a little sharply

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you might even consider the possibility that I understood more than you did again

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I am glad that you have confided in me, but let me reassure you that you have not told me anything that causes me disquiet

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think of Dumbledore and Harry's relationship here? Do you think that it's like?

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Why is?

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Why doesn't double door just say what's happening?

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the whole approach to getting Harry up to speed on this stuff is like completely wrong because he doesn't

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't think Harry knows like what's important in this whole like being the chosen one and then also

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Dumbledore is not really telling him he's just giving him memories and like with Voldemort. Is it important that

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Harry comes into this knowledge on his own

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: There's like no way for him to do it on his own though, I think he needs Dumbledore to give him all this information

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but then

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Harry's not prioritizing it when he's like going to slughorn to get his memory back or yeah

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Oh quidditch is more important. It's like I

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Feel like fundamentally a war to win. Yeah, we need to

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Reboot the circuit like it's not I don't know

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't like Dumbledore here anymore I've gone back to

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Why I liked him ever since like the I guess like whenever their argument was and they kind of hashed it all out

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I've liked him since then but now I don't like him cuz he's just being mean

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, he's like so

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Egotistical like I know everything

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And here I am like gonna educate you but not yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't like his approach. I think he keeps having little jabs at Harry and he's not giving him information still I feel

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is one

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: This one is tough

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Because he is giving him information, but he's giving him an information at the pace and maybe not the right pace

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Now like a pace that Dumbledore deems is necessary

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Dumbledore is very wise. So maybe this pace is right. He seems like a really good teacher

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: If you were in Dumbledore shoes, what would you do differently?

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know. I would bring him along with me more

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and keep him up to date on what I'm doing and like where what is he doing?

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you know it's not insanely dangerous?

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going around collecting memories which Harry doesn't need to go with him for that

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But like okay, he's telling him that but then I don't know. I'm assuming he's doing things with the Horcruxes to

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe going to the ministry

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Doing stuff with the order

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think Harry's kind of ready to be the chosen one and like he's kind of like stepping into that and he thinks he's

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like come of age for that. Yeah, but then he's not given like the opportunities that he can actually

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Starts like do things like that. Yeah, so I don't know there's a little dissonance there

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a great is a great ethical question

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and honestly, there's it's not like

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: you learn like why Dumbledore does this but

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It is a girl

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a one of more the more contentious areas of discussion in Harry Potter circles is like did Dumbledore do right?

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_03]: how for how he trained Harry like well how

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: everything went about

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Because there's like a point to it where you're saying maybe he should be giving it given all the information at once and Harry needs

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: To parse this out Dumbledore is still playing the mastermind in this situation that he thinks he's like, you know

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I can I don't think Dumbledore is walking around saying I'm the smartest person, you know of all time

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So like, you know come at me

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But like why does he feel the need to have a comeback to Harry when he's like?

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you really get what I'm saying about my voice? Like yeah, I'm like the smartest wizard ever like yeah

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. He's being so unnecessarily like

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Personal yeah

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great point he could have just said thanks for the information Harry

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll definitely take this into consideration doesn't have to come with personal attack. Yeah, that's a great point

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I have no response to that. It's just a great point

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Dumbledore is a little weird

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But we are he is giving Harry these memories in at least somewhat of a digestible order like if Harry gets all of them

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna like, you know forget small little details here and there he's going off and he's like also sharing some of these memories

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: With his buddies, so it's like they're able to process through these memories

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: In time for them to get the next one. So like they're thinking through this thing at a pace that I think is a healthy pace

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But again, yeah Dumbledore is really strange so

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you maybe one of the larger questions is do you think that a memory goes bad?

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Because we have two weird memories here like Morphins memory

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_03]: His mind was addled. Is that the actual true and real memory? I don't know how a memory would go bad

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you need to like

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Force it into being bad. Like you need to is that what Slughorn did? I think Slughorn just

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Gaslit himself so much

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That his memories altered like I don't know that happens to people in real life

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like they can convince themselves of a reality. That wasn't true

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like that could do it and then they just become so convinced of that in their mind that when you take that

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Memory from them you're getting

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever they believe hmm to be the truth

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also think you can like brainwash people and that's happened so much in the books

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: We're like you erase their memory. They do that to muggles when they see magic

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I guess that's what Tom Riddle did to Morphin but Slughorn I think it's like something he did to himself

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think you just like pull out a memory and it sits on the shelf and goes bad. Like yeah. Yeah

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that's actually really I had never thought about that before but like

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_03]: the idea

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Because you I think people this happens people not all the time, but it definitely happens people where they convince himself of a lie

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm curious

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: What is going on in Dumbledore's mind and Ranzi? Have you seen Shutter Island?

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Spoiler alert never mind then well moving on

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like someone convincing themself of something that is a lie and so they do like experiment an experimental like

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: trial on this guy

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: because he's convinced himself of something that's wrong and like like

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: To try to assuage himself of some guilt, I guess

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm so curious with whether

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Slughorn is doing that right now because he doesn't seem to be

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So beridden by guilt like if he did would he be able to function day to day? He seems like he's like

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Gotten rid of some of his guilt or like put it to bed so he can like function. Maybe he's kind of like

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That's an interesting idea I've never really thought about that

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering too if he thought about Dumbledore

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Trying to pry into his memory from the moment that Dumbledore offered him the job

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And like if that was on his mind, that was part of the reason why he didn't want to come

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's cuz he thought Dumbledore was gonna

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Try to see his memory or whatever

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know cuz I don't know when he got the memory from him. Yeah

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Cuz if that was before the job offer

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be like, oh is he trying to babysit me or whatever?

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: but then if it's

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: After he's at Hogwarts, it kind of makes sense. But I feel like you'd need a lot more time to convince yourself of like

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the fake truth

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm assuming that happened like shortly thereafter or whenever Tom actually made the horcruxes

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know I

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Think he's guilty

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like where's a weird dude? I think maybe the last question for this chapter is why is this memory important though?

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Dumbledore says this is like the most important memory that he's collected. Why is this so important? What does this tell him?

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what does this tell them that they don't kind of already know?

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's the first mention of horcruxes. Yeah

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm assuming

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Dumbledore is just kind of like setting Harry free on this like go figure out what a horcrux is now like go ask Hermione

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And Ron and you guys figure that out

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: See what you need to do because I guess once he learns what a horcrux is

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna realize like what he has to do. Mm-hmm. Not that I fully understand

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it kind of just felt like he was putting him like onto the scent of something and then he could just go like

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Find it by himself. Yeah for sure

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but I guess it's an

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: integral piece of the story because that's

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming where Tom Riddle learned about horcruxes and

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: thus gains

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Eternal life. Yeah, so I don't know

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Cuz he's like a kid here, right? Yeah

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a student

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Is this the slug club meeting like when?

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Right before yeah. Yeah before you like isolate some yeah, it's like I guess it's like kind of like a slug club meeting

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: it's not yeah, maybe it's like a

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Just a little power

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: members of the slug club

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: but again you

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Part of the reason why I love this book right now up to this point

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You just see the inner workings of all the more its mind. You see like how he operates you see like how you like

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: manipulate certain situations

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like you don't want a deep dive into that

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You're like don't need a deep dive into like why Voldemort is the way that he is

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But you like get it and it's just so fascinating to sit back and go like oh, that's why he's so

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: strange, yeah, he was like so charming and so

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Winsome when he was a kid

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm surprised he's not bothered by like the people that

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Follow him or the people that are his friends because he doesn't have any friends and he's a narcissist or whatever

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: He is

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but I feel like

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The people that choose to follow him like there was a list of whatever attributes they had and I was like

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: If those people were following me around I feel like they're just like leeching off of me

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't want I don't know. Like I feel like why would that not bother him?

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess cuz he's like their ringleader

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: but

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And he likes power

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But why would you want to be like the power over the people that are?

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the weakest and like the worst

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Why wouldn't you want to have the power over like?

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Cedric like those type of people Oh

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Friends on what you're defining as weakest. I like who of Voldemort's followers are weak. I

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know but it was saying like they I

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Forget like there's a paragraph where it's like the people that can't do magic

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So well, like need they want to learn how to execute it better like the ones that just needs like follow around. I don't know

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: They were I think I said there was yeah, so there's definitely those lines in there

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: so people are attracted to them because he has power and

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The weaker attracted to that because they think by some means of this guy obtaining power

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Then he'll give them more strength and more power

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So they're attracted to him for that reason and then there's also a line of like these people these cruel people looking for more refined

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: ways of cruelty

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a pretty scary line too because there's good there's like race not good

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: There's very skilled wizards that are joining us his side so that they can refine their tactics of cruelty

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And they can refine the evil things that they do. So there's like very skilled wizards that are jumping in with this cause

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause is a weird way to put it but yeah

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But the the idea of horcrux is kind of doesn't get explained the next chapter

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But they they do a little bit of a deep dive on the next chapter, which is birthday surprise

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: birthday surprises

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is a I'll do a quick summary this one. They give a little information on this

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: they have a discussion about Malfoy and

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Then all of a sudden Ron almost dies

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: The love potion

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, we love potion is reprehensible

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But the love potion didn't kill him it was yeah

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like that was so funny though I get that you still hate love potions but it was a

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little comedic relief because Ron lives if Ron died at the end

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Imagine the chapter ends with Ron dying there, but he wouldn't he's not dying because of the love

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure gonna last three hours and then it's a great for sure

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was a really strong love potion and it put Ron in this position

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, I just think about if this chapter ended and Ron actually died in this chapter how crazy of a

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Gut punches would have been like all out of nowhere. One of the Weasley's Perry's best friend just dies

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what is going on after that? I feel like I didn't experience that fully because I know that he lives

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if I didn't know that I would probably

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I don't know again, yeah, there's not a ton that

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Of talking points in this chapter, but one is where is Malfoy going?

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They're really curious about what Malfoy is doing and where he's off to

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. Okay, so there's like those two girls that are with him and then there's like the random girl in the hallway with the

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Scale. Yeah, and I just feel like I don't know what's happening. But I think they're involved too. They're like and then crab and Goyle are

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what's happening. Yeah, and then Harry's like I would tell my friends what I would do

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know he's trying to accomplish his mission

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought maybe his mission is just like cause enough mayhem in

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Hogwarts to get Dumbledore kicked out

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and then that's why it could be dangerous because like any of the

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Disruptions you're causing could come back to you and then like Malfoy could get detention

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: interesting or something like that because there was some line in there about like

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Taking over Hogwarts or getting Dumbledore sacked. Yeah, and I just thought oh, I wonder if that's what mouth was trying to do

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But that seems a little too

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Light for an unbreakable vow and

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: For Snape to get involved. So I don't think that's like a perfect theory but

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Cuz he's not killing anyone. He's just I'm assuming like the locket situation and the poison are due to Malfoy

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But if they're due to Malfoy, then he's trying to kill people

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but in killing people the goal could just be like

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Get Hogwarts shut down again because that's kind of what happened like before Umbridge came I think yeah was just like everything was going wrong and

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: then

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: families will start pulling their kids out and then

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Hogwarts Falls

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a raft interesting theory just cause mayhem at the

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know I don't think that's correct

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But that is a thought to have

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Cuz obviously he is trying to kill people if he's doing the necklace thing and the potion the poison. Mm-hmm

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: but

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: The poison was meant for Dumbledore, yeah and Slughorn was surprised

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: so somebody gave it to Slughorn to give to Dumbledore or

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: They knew that Slughorn was gonna give it to Dumbledore and they poisoned it and

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Malfoy could have done that

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe at the party that Slughorn had okay

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: There they'd be pretty weak ways to

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Kill Dumbledore though, like but neither of them work. They have a very small percentage of working. So I

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't know that one. It seems

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna like say Farfetch'd but yeah Farfetch'd because like if

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: If Slughorn has this mead the only way that Dumbledore would die is if you know Slughorn

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Gifted him this mead and Dumbledore decided to like, you know down at one night

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and who would be with Slughorn that knows?

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that he's gonna give it to Dumbledore and like I feel like Dumbledore is is

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe like not paranoid but like testing the thing the gifts that are given to him

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Even from people that he trusts because he's like there's probably something suspicious

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Suspicious going on. Yeah, that's true

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_00]: The professors can't be trusted

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We've since learned

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's sad

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Anything else in this chapter?

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_03]: 18 I don't think so

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Just that essence of rue is an antidote to a poison and I'm gonna tuck that in my mind

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. I just

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Comes back in a major way. Yeah, right. There's gonna be like some essence of rue growing down like the side of the road

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: They're all gonna pick it

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_03]: That'd be great it's a huge part of this I think the story rests on that fact

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, let's go with that and maybe we'll see as a relator. Let's go to chapter 19, which is elf tales. Yeah, what happens here?

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's at the very end that he

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, there's there's not a ton that happens in this chapter, but he gets Dobby and

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: creature to tail

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Malfoy in like the last

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Four pages of the chapter. Yeah

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything else that happens is Quidditch. Yeah, it's Quidditch and it's just like

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Not like normal life, but it's like they're they have to have like, you know some school chapters

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you like this chapter because it's Quidditch?

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, what do you think about this team? Actually what they're the Gryffindor team McLaren or whatever?

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Mac McLagan

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_03]: think

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_03]: They are lacking in I don't want to say good leadership because I do think Harry is a good leader

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'll say good leadership

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_03]: if they have a there

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Now you're gonna pull me down a rabbit hole I'm thinking how they can improve this team

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Think Ginny needs to be the captain. Hmm

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Ginny commands are respective of more people than Harry at this moment

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I think in a weird way, this is totally unrelated, but I think Ginny and Lee Jordan should be together

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Would that not be like a power?

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Such a great power call. I'm gonna let that be fantastic

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, I love that actually, that's great. And then Lee Jordan can become one of the

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_03]: become brothers

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Brother with his with his buddies anyway back to what you're saying. Yeah, I think this team is

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Dysfunctional, I think they have a lot of good pieces even Cormac. I think is actually like an adept player

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he can be good, but he needs to be reined in there's all sorts of sports strategies my favorite

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Team of all time is the San Antonio Spurs and they have this is different because this isn't like a school team

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's harder to just coaches a bunch of the kids that you're like given rather than like hand selecting

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But the Spurs don't take people who with attitude problems. They're like notorious for that

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: They're the one not the one team in the NBA, but they're one of the teams in the NBA that like for

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that was like

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: for runners and they

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Mainly took like European guys because a lot of American guys just had this attitude problem

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you said NBA cuz I was totally lost

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And they've had so much success with that because they've taken these players who have who have checked their ego at the door and

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to do that because Cormac has such an ego

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Ron has an anti ego, but he really has like a big ego as well when he plays

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he thinks he's like the bees knees when he doesn't he's so self

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Degrading and it's pretty

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: destructive with Ron

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They need to have a confidence lesson like some of people on their team need to be taken down a few rungs

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of them need to be taken up a few rungs the core of their team that people have been on their team for a

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: While like Peaks and Coot good like they're good role player

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Beaters love them. Their chasers are fantastic. They have no problem on that front

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But their keeper is like the real problem

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and if you can honestly if I was the captain, I wouldn't take either of those guys and I would

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't know get someone who just can

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Steadily improve the whole season and just pop them in there and then you're good

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm is Jenny old enough to be captain though. Don't you have to be like a six year? Ah, maybe I don't think yeah

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just like whoever naturally

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_03]: because

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Oliver would was a captain in Harry's first year any of the fifth year

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Luna commentating commenting

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: commentating

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Commentating. Uh, that was so funny. Yeah, I love her. She needs to she needs to do color commentary for every single game

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That's so great

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's like I would love to just actually be there in real life listening to her come do commentary on the game

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Think it's a smart plan to send the elves

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: To do the dirty work

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: honestly

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Because then Harry's safer. He's uninvolved

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But still informed

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's definitely safer because then you're not gonna get caught in the hallway like by Filch and you don't even have to be near

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Malfoy and

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping and assuming that they're gonna do a good job of actually telling him what's going on. They would do a good job

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. They're like already fighting with each other for a random reason. I don't know if that's like a constant thing

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Creature is gonna find some way to like lie

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's lied in the past or he's gonna like twist the truth somehow that it feels like a lie

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and yeah, I don't trust creature. I trust Dobby though. Dobby's like I'll go

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, take me it's funny cuz this do these two people. It's like the least trustworthy

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Being in this book and the most trustworthy

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Dobby is the most is the person that you're like, I'll give that guy anything

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And then creature is the opposite so they bounce each other out so they're one one whole entity

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you not think that it's there's ethical problems for this?

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Why how so?

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on Lizzie

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: What's a house? Oh, yeah. It's a house. Oh, that's their purpose. Oh my gosh

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, are you pro?

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_03]: How self-reliance house all over action front. I'm all about the house self liberation front. I don't know how to do it

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to liberate the hustles

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Where they would actually be. Okay. Yes. Yeah, but uh, I don't know I

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Mean arguably now that Dobby's the free elf and like he's the trustworthy one

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of follows to say that like a free elf is a better elf. Yeah. Yeah, that's true

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And he is he is willingly doing this because of his loyalty for another person

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I love dabu dabu so much because it's not like he feels forced to do this

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: There is part of him that feels like he's forced to do this to some extent

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But for Dobby, it's not out of that. It's out of his love for someone but creatures so loyal to yeah

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a little different person yeah now he's loyal to Harry he's unwillingly loyal

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to be you genuinely feel it's wrong for Harry to like send them on this mission

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of that's crazy

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: No Dobby because Dobby wants to do this out of his loyalty now is Harry taking advantage of

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Someone who should be a friend in this moment like cuz Dobby

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_03]: He's annoying

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But what else would you qualify him as he's like gotta be a friend to Harry

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: so is Harry taking advantage of his friend here I

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Would say

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I think there I think I'm like, you know, I think there's a healthy balance

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't see their relationship is very balanced right now I see

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Dobby is the giver and Harry is the taker. I don't like creature though. Yeah

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of like Gollum to me yeah thinking about it

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But here's that other issue like I wouldn't trust him with this task. I like if you're hairy

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not giving him any tasks, but he has to follow you

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah for sure, but it's still he had to follow a serious told him

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So is he gonna find loopholes exactly what you said?

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna find loopholes behind this whole thing

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But like you can just do what Harry didn't was like don't communicate. Yeah, I don't this

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Still there's gotta be like no creatures mind is racing here. He's like, all right, what loopholes can I find?

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Here comes Dobby himself right now, what's up, buddy?

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know I didn't even give it a second

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: There's my two cents. So yeah, okay

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: This will push us into the last chapter which is Lord Voldemort's request

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a quick summary of this chapter?

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: This is when

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: This is another lesson

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: with Dumbledore

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and they start talking about

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The they go back and they backtrack because we go back to the locket thing

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's this new girl who I don't remember her name and she Smith

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she has all kinds of like antique treasures and stuff. And then Tom Riddle is

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: going to see her because he works for Borgen and Burke's and

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like showing off her stuff to him in hopes to I guess

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: woo him and like impress him and then

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He I guess wants these things to make them into horcruxes is what I'm assuming

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he kills her like two days later

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_01]: She also I thought she was the fat lady painting for a hot second

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That'd be great

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Might be it might be cuz it was like pink dress

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Blah-blah, and I'm the pink lady or the fat lady. I thought that I should be so funny if that was yeah

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there is one more part of this chapter

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Where like Tom Riddle goes to Dumbledore, mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm gonna try to get the job. Mm-hmm and

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Dumbledore doesn't call him

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort he calls him Tom

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep to like assert dominance, but then I keep thinking about how after he's Voldemort

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Dumbledore is like one of the only people who calls him Voldemort

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So then he's like in the opposite way

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like stripping the name of the power because everybody's scared to like utter the name Voldemort

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But then Dumbledore is the only one who says Voldemort because it like takes down his power

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm the way that saying Tom took down Dumbledore took down Voldemort's power before he was like fully transformed

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I thought that's a great thing

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Dumbledore's just trying to knock people down a few pegs. Yeah, really just Voldemort

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great point

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: What happened to dip it where did he go we don't know do we know anything about him

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Did he come up previously?

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He has come up previously in in passing cuz slughorn we obviously know what he's up to

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: What was that face?

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_03]: What

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: The first thing that came up on Google was

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: According to the film adaptation

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Armando Dippett died before his 355th birthday

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That's wrong. That's what you're reacting to. Yeah, how is that? What does that mean?

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_01]: 355 years old. Oh, is that not normal for like a wizard isn't Dumbledore really old?

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but he's not 355 old. That's like real Dumbledore is like probably in his

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_03]: early hundreds

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Trying to find out how he died

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He was suspected of

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Causing an accident only months before

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_03]: his ancient age flying tests on his

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: 355th birthday did it died late in 1992

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Huh after his death the late headmaster was allowed to leave behind an imprint of himself in form of portrait on the wall

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Dip it was a headmaster. Yeah, he's a headmaster before

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Dumbledore, huh? I

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Gotta do some research on dip it get back to you with that

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Why why did why was a Armando Dippett at the forefront of your mind?

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm. Why was he why was Armando Dippett at the forefront of your mind for this?

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I just I know what's going on with slug horn these days

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on with dip it with Armando dip it. Yeah integral character

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Cuz I was wondering like if he had some history that we already knew about

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and like maybe he

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Died or he killed himself or something because that would also if he was like strongly affiliated with Tom Riddle

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: hmm, I just feel like that would lead to an interesting life and

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: There's this line that's like he Dumbledore saying Tom kills for like

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Revenge and then for gain and he killed this

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Pink dress lady for gain. Yeah, but I was like, why did he kill the potters?

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So is that for revenge or for game?

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we still don't know why they died right I don't know okay

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_03]: we kind of have

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Some hints of how they died in the previous book so the order order the Phoenix

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_03]: What are they going to get?

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_03]: In the end of the order of the order of the Phoenix

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to get the prophecy oh, yeah, so there's a prophecy about Harry and this is before Harry was born

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. Yeah, so is he trying to

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to gain power

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Um

[00:40:46] Dumbledore

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort by killing

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just saying if the only options are gains or

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: revenge

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He's trying to he's trying to destroy something

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_03]: it's I guess it like this is

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03]: People are gonna rail I guess because this isn't like the actual mythology but when in the Disney movie

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Hercules

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like Hades

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like Hades trying to kill Hercules when he's a child so that's the deal with him when he's old

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, probably something similar like Voldemort is like let me kill this child right now

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So that like he's the only person that could usurp my throne

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Because of this prophecy

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So if I kill him when he's a baby, then we're gonna be good and boy does that backfire on him?

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like not even a hundred percent that it was Harry too it could be Neville could have been Neville

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But okay

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's explained in the fifth book that the minute that Voldemort chose to go after Harry

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Then Harry became the chosen one because he's literally chosen by Voldemort. He Voldemort marked him as his equal

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that was the moment

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So we kind of know like it was to like cut another potential person coming up

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But we don't know all the reasons behind it. We don't yeah, Voldemort is just a weird dude

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe we'll get some of those reasons later on

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But uh, yeah, I have another

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Theory of why Dumbledore's hand is fried. Okay

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: it's good, but I

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: so there's like descriptions of Voldemort coming to

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Dumbledore and he's like half human half

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Snake Voldemort type guy and I was like what if Dumbledore just like attempted to make a horcrux and like I don't know

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: He just fried his hand off instead of cuz like it's altering it's altering Voldemort's

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Appearance whenever he'd makes a horcrux and he's turning to like this snake thing

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why but I'm like maybe Dumbledore is just so old that like Dumbledore

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Tried to make a horcrux and then it was like the ring and then boom

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It just like killed his hand and shriveled it and he was just like, okay

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely is horcruxes that he made. How do you make a horcrux?

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know how you make one but it's like the object that holds your so

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: We're just trying to make a horcrux then was Dumbledore trying to me. Yeah, I

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know originally. I thought he was trying to break the ring. Okay, which was a horcrux

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I said he was like blocking the spell

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So dumb, but I don't know how you make one it's just like very dark magic

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't know how wouldn't one would slice himself into like seven

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Split the soul. That is a question. I do

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Good I'm glad you know, um

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: hmm

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe you have to like

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Go into a cauldron

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And get like really like soft and raisiny

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You can like

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just slice

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting idea that Dumbledore is actually trying to make a horcrux here because I feel like he would try it and then be like

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that was totally what he did and then he go and fight him from there. I don't know

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Just cuz Baltimore's altering his experience his appearance and Dumbledore's appearances interesting

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You have some fascinating theories, that's an interesting one. I like that. I don't think I've ever had a correct theory

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're wrong. You definitely had some correct theories. Really? Yeah, that's good. So I'm having proven right

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_03]: We got to do like a counter for how many times you've been right? No

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of your theories are a little wild 30%

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But Jen is

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: unmatched

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Because she gives one one prediction every five years. No

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah gives a lot yeah, she does and they're really close. Yeah, she's very astute with with her predictions Danny

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean your percentage is probably better than Danny cuz yeah, but Danny just can come up with ten things

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, every single detail and he's right one of the ten times but when he's right darn is he right? Yeah

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Why

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Um

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Why

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. So another side question and I was always confused about this, but I'm not anymore

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Good

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Can why is Dumbledore know why is Voldemort

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Trying to put his soul into these precious objects

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_03]: what

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_03]: magical power

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Do these magical objects possess? I

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Thought the appeal was just that you could have your soul

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_01]: in other places and then it would kind of be like a safety measure because you can hide the objects and

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_01]: then like there's no chance that you're gonna find like all seven of my

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Horcruxes, so like I'm always gonna live even if you kill me

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Cuz like you could I guess kill Voldemort like the body Voldemort and then like oh

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: There's some Horcrux hiding that you can't find and then like he's still alive and he's just this little

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Wispy soul thing. Yeah, I don't know. I thought it was just like a safety measure

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. I think yeah, you're nailing it because one thing that I was always confused about as I thought

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Horcruxes had to be precious objects. They don't which is why Dumbledore is showing Harry how

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Voldemort is a collector of these rare objects

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He's working at Borgin and Birks because he likes these rare magical objects and Voldemort is putting

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah parts of his soul into these

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Objects rather than just a random rock he finds on the street

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's probably part of his personality that he like wants to have. Yeah, the best of us like all the house stuff

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, cuz I'm guessing

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The the because there's seven of them right? There's seven books

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Snake

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Journal Harry

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: As these are my Horcruxes I think they are the locket

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the sword of Gryffindor. Okay that ring and I think that's it. Okay, that wasn't seven

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That was seven. No, it wasn't. Yeah was five. How did I get seven fingers?

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait locket

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, snake journal Harry locket sword. We timeout. Why do you think?

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Nevermind keep going

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Now you see up again. Sorry. Wait, I have it written down

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: snake

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That black ring that cracked and died

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_01]: the journal that

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He was in the locket

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Mirror up slocket

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the cup because why not that was in this chapter and then maybe the sword of Gryffindor just because

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_01]: that

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Was brought to Harry by the sorting hat and I think I said that like way early on

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We had like a Horcrux conversation. I was like the only thing is like the hat the sword and the snake in that book. So

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the sword that's seven. Those are my guesses

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And then this why do you think that it would be seven

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Told me that I've been saying seven this whole time and you haven't questioned it so

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, seven I think you told me that interesting theories Lizzie we'll see

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_00]: My correct

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_00]: 30% at least

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_00]: definitely 30%

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I would only need to have two right essentially to be yeah

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know the journal is one and I know Harry's one

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you know Harry's one?

[00:49:21] because that's

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the book of Harry Potter

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_01]: No, he has to die

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That's like the chosen. The whole prophecy thing is like

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_01]: One of you can't live while the other survives. Yeah, neither can live while the other survives

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So if he kills

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Then Voldemort can live forever

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So then he would be like a Horcrux

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: hmm, and then when he tried to kill him I

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Think his soul went into him because I think that was hinted at

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Cuz Dumbledore was like well, he may have left a piece of himself. Yeah with you

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Dumbledore has suggested some of that for sure

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_03]: so

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Man, I have so many questions

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: If that's the case and why doesn't Dumbledore say anything to him? That's my one hole I want to poke into that

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: About being a Horcrux. Yeah, cuz he doesn't even know what a Horcrux is yet Dumbledore doesn't Harry doesn't

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. So when that time comes do you think he's gonna say that Harry by the way?

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. I don't know how that conversation

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna die because I don't I still don't understand if you have to like put the Horcruxes together and it's like a puzzle

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And then like boom

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort comes back full form and then you can kill him or you have to like destroy them

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: They're just tethers they're anchors

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you destroy the Horcrux, there's nothing the soul is tethered to yes, and then is he weakened by a seventh? No

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like okay, so it's like a hot air balloon with seven ropes you cut one rope and

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's still being mounted to the ground. You have to cut all the ropes and then the soul can depart this earth

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So you have to destroy seven Horcruxes? Yeah

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So you have to destroy Harry?

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_03]: If Harry's a Horcrux

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Which he is

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, I think you've told me he is I don't know if I told you that

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so. Just tell me with a straight face that Harry's not Horcrux

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Look me in the eyes

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't do this to me. Bet you can't

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Think this is actually interesting because I think change the subject. No, no, I'm talking about this. All right, Lizzie

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Elizabeth I think this is interesting because

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_03]: again, this isn't your first time reads is your second time read and

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_03]: for some of the synapses in your brain to fire and like because it's fun for me sitting back and watching you do this because

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Some things you are nailing and some things you are so wrong on but like you're you're circling

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Your prey you're like getting closer. You're like almost there, but I'm not I'm just not gonna help you connect the rest of the dots

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't make the kill yet

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Prowling around you're almost there. You're almost there

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_03]: hmm, that's why it's gonna be fun going through the last book because

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's a different experience than Danny and Jen had because they're going in completely blind and you're going in knowing some stuff

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So you're gonna be able to piece things together a little quicker

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I'll get yeah

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to like ABC and then I'll be able to like piece together the end because in in the first season

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I asked them almost every podcast. I was like, what are the horcruxes and they had like their top seven of what they

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Thought it was gonna be and then they have like other no, but I'm saying

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so we'll talk about that later on but they had their top seven, but then they also had like another

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like five that they thought it could potentially be and they were always rotating things in and out of this like

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_03]: List that they thought and I was asking them that all the time

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I think when it comes down to it when you are faced with like, okay. What are the horcruxes?

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Then you're not gonna falter on that. I think you're gonna be like it's this this this this this this

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think I had like half of them, right? I think I feel like it

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense to me that the

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The locket and the ring. Okay are both horcruxes because they're Slytherin things. Okay, I

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get why he would want the Hufflepuff Cup as one wait again, sorry

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean you do this a lot. Tell me exactly what you think they are again and

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so you think the locket you think the locket in the cup?

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you see the other side of this that's crazy the snake the basilisk, why do you think that that's one?

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea. It's just like the only object in the first book that that's probably my least

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so you think that there's one just in every book? Yeah

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. I feel like so give me of what it is in the first book a snake in the snake

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't feel confident. I would say I'm like 10% confident that that's a horse. Okay, okay

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just picking that based off the theory that there might be something hiding in everyone

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I am like a hundred percent confident that the journals one. Okay

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: 90% confident that the lockets one. Okay

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry I'm like a hundred percent. I think you told me that or maybe I remember that

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I just remember that from the book. I don't know if I would tell you that. Um

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: What I said snake ring Harry journal

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: The cup I'm like 0% confident that the horcrux because why is the Hufflepuff Cup?

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Important I don't think it is but then it goes with the house thing of like if it's the sword they cut the ring

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, then that's all like three houses I don't know what the fourth house would be like

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_03]: What's a Ravenclaw the ring is more so a gaunt item?

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Then a Slytherin item it is a thing of Slytherin

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's more like a gaunt heirloom

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You were talking about the locket the locket is more of a Slytherin thing Voldemort Slytherin's heir, right?

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, isn't the ring Slytherin's ring though?

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah it is

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_03]: This is like maybe a weird point the Gaunts are probably more proud of the ring like the gaunt is the ring is the

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Gaunt's ring

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Cuz the gaunt maybe maybe this is maybe this is wrong and it's just in my head

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But the Gaunts are like in the Slytherin line, right?

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, so that would make sense though if it's passed down so

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_03]: from Salazar the only thing so this it's known as the ring of

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Power

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's known as Marvolo Gaunt's ring, but then it's known as Salazar Slytherin's locket

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I think there's like an emphasis in one way or the other. They're still both descend like they're still Slytherin's object

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that Dumbledore's had this ring for so long. Yeah

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_03]: so you think that's that's

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then the fact that it's broken too. I feel like he destroyed it

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he he cut the rope on the hot air balloon

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that analogy a lot. That was helpful. Thank you

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know that's kind of where I'm at

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. All right. All right. I like this is interesting

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_01]: but I don't understand like I'm I kind of want to remove the snake from that list cuz like

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_01]: How is he a snake?

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: so

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on hold on hold on hold on

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I know

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So currently you think it's it's snake

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_03]: diary

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: hairy

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: locket

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Cup

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Ring

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't like I say that but I don't really think that for a lot of them

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_01]: 50% confidence

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting, I'm just I'm just fascinated with

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_01]: With this right now. Didn't you tell me something about like this snake?

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_01]: having a baby or like

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't this snake have something to do with

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like being a person yeah, that's something completely entirely different

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_03]: This is like after the lure the snake is something called a maledictus

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Just is revealed of what a maledictus is and fantastic beasts and where to find them

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very bizarre magic, but it's a rare blood curse that

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Nagini was a human being

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_03]: before she became Nagini and the blood curse kind of like

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Slowly transitions you into a snake like you're an animagus essentially until you slowly

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Only be able to take form of an animal. So Nagini is

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_03]: a

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Is a woman trapped in a snake's body that bears no

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Impregnated that lady

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Cast that from your mind right now because it's not important that there's no part of the story at all of Harry Potter's story

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That cares about a maledictus. They you don't know what a maledictus is until fantastic beasts, which are the next movies

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So this snake is not

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_03]: People had to people had to reimagine and reinvent the entire story because they introduced this idea of maledictus

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It messed with people's idea of what a cannon what the cannon of Harry Potter was and so they fit it in and really unique

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_03]: interesting ways, but

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a complete digress from the story

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So cast that from your mind because it's not important at all to this

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Think of Nagini as a normal snake then. I don't think it's one horcrux per book

[00:59:56] All right

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless like the stone

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: No, cuz the journal

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go again me confusing two and three or one and two

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on to your horcrux discussion because this will come up again

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_03]: As we get deeper in because I think you're gonna get a headache right now from trying to figure all this out

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fascinating for me where you're coming up with this

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But we will get there when we get there

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll get there when we get there

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Know what the movie that's from

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: No, come on. No one knows that is it's from The Incredibles. Sorry

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I digress

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Why do you think one of the last one last question in this chapter? Why do you think Tom wants a job at school?

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Sway the young minds as early on as he can

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Does he really care about that? Didn't he explain why he wanted to be at the school?

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm a little bit a little bit. Yeah, I read that today. I

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't well he wants to be at the school. I remember this because it's like home to him. It has ancient magic and

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even read my own handwriting

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Inference yeah in

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a reason?

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: In for it inference, is that what they said the boat? No

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Oh influence influence

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Those are the three reasons that Dumbledore said he wants to be at the school

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know I feel like it's probably just more beneficial to like create Death Eaters as young as possible and then you build

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: up an army

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That's been done in history before

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I tried and true interesting. Okay, and

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Voldemort then cursed the defense against the dark arts position because you asked me that you're like

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the position be curse. No, how do you do that? But then it's like duh Voldemort could do that. Mm-hmm, so

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't I guess he just like he didn't even try to become the defense against the dark arts teacher again

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: He just cursed it and like let it

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Be it's yeah, I don't know until that point they haven't been able to keep a teacher for more than a year

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: but maybe that was all like

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: placebo plan no because of

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Quirrell like he had his way of getting in eventually. I don't know. Yeah, it could have been

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, it couldn't have been

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Because quarrel wasn't part of Voldemort's posse before he was hired

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He was hired by the school he went off during the summer to go get more experience and fell into Voldemort's clutches

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He goes I could show and tell your students things they can gain from no other wizard. Yeah, this is probably true dark

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's dark magic I also think it's just like his pride I think which you know

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You can back some of the stuff up. I think he's just incredibly skilled

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think he's got some things in the wheel on the old wheelhouse that other people don't have

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And he could definitely like, you know show them up on certain things. Yeah, I really like this. Sorry my interrupting

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, I don't know where to start with this okay Voldemort's expression

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a long thing

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort's expression remained impassive as he said greatness inspires envy envy engenders spite spite spawns lies

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You must know this Dumbledore. You call it greatness would have what you've been doing. Do you ask Dumbledore delicately?

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Certainly said Voldemort and his eyes seemed to burn red. I have experimented

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I have pushed the boundaries of magic further perhaps and then they have ever been pushed of

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Some kinds of magic Dumbledore corrected him quietly of some of others you remain forgive me

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Woefully ignorant for the first time Voldemort smiled

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a taut leer an evil thing more threatening than a look of rage the old argument

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: He said softly, but nothing I have seen in the world has supported your famous pronouncements that love is more powerful than my kind of magic

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Dumbledore

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps you have been looking in the wrong places

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's like the root of like their issue I guess is that

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Dumbledore is like still leaning on the whole love thing and Voldemort's just like there has to be better

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, more powerful darker things out there

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and cuz he doesn't Voldemort doesn't have any love and he's never had love in his life

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So to be the greatest wizard in the world and then be deprived of what the other greatest wizard saying is the most powerful magic

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why he's like chasing after all these other things because he can't like he physically like can't coexist with love. Yeah

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You're nailing it

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's a it's a such a great that it's like one of the best lines in the whole series because it really

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: just shows their

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Such odd and

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: drastic ends from each other like

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't make me pity Voldemort cuz he's

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a psychopath but in part it does because he is incapable of

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Feeling love I guess

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's like saying he searched for it

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But really he's lying

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he hasn't really searched for I think he's trying to just like replace it and yeah

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Artificially. Yeah, that's a great point

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Cuz he really doesn't have it in his life at all

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He could have like he could have decided to change right away

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But he didn't someone born or are they made? I?

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know. Isn't this your favorite question nurture versus nature? I mean, this is a great question in this

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. I don't have the psychological experience to be able to back any of that up. I

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Know I know certain people have told me

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: About some of this stuff, but it's like uh, some of the stuff gets firmed up in your

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Someone I don't know

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I've had

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Someone who's an expert in this tell me a psychological personality disorders develop not later on in your life

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But they start to trickle in

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_03]: early on and it's generally like a trauma response to something and then after that happens and you continue to

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Endure this trauma trauma response you essentially just get firmed up in it and you're like 20s and 30s

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And they say after that then it is impossible to change

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: What was that my door just sneakily open I don't think we closed my door all the way

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was like a knock. I don't see anyone. No one's knocking at this time

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, that was a beautiful statement

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So, I don't know I don't really know anything about this and I don't Dane or feign to know anything about this

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know the difference in those two words

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's both. I think he could have turned around

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think he was like set on the wrong path so young

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: That like he had all this hatred in him. Yeah that he never wanted to be good. He never like wanted to

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no desire in him to be good. Yeah, so

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And it is a beautiful sentiment to that Dumbledore does think you can change

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's there's a point in the end of this where he says the time is long gone when I could frighten you

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_03]: With a burning wardrobe and force you to make

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Repayment for your crimes, but I wish I could time. I wish I could

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Why did he not just go to the dark

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: wizard school

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And just world domination like that

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Dermis ring. Yeah, he could have taught there immediately the dark arts

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he could have just had that be his little HQ. Okay, that's a discussion that we'll have in the seventh book

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: for one reason

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that when we get there. Is that a factor in the book? No, not really

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's like a side discussion that we can have for it

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Cuz I keep thinking that I'm like, why did he go to like the light school and not like the dark school?

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great question. It's a really fascinating question or gain power of that school. And then now you have like yeah

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Your stage to set forth. Yeah, think about it. He did go to Hogwarts. Hogwarts is his home

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Really his home. I don't think he would want to go to Durmstrang and teach at Durmstrang. He probably could

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Wildly successful over there. Yeah, I kind of agree. I think you'd be very successful

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think he wants to go back to his home and take control of his home

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_03]: well the Morse powers did not really grow outside of

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Great Britain, so he didn't really like have I mean he had influence like like fear influence on the world, but not really

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What if they just like rallied the global?

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Troops

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone get here and we'll knock them out real quick. Yeah

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Would it have been so much faster? I know I think though the people were dealing with are like very small groups of people

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like 20 death eaters. Yeah, right

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: There's like five people in the order the Phoenix is called the rest of the world

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and just let's eliminate this guy real quick

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Would have been so much smarter. It's a great point Lizzie. It's a great point. Well

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for joining us in this journey of how you find the first time readers. See ya. Yeah

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Bye