Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince: Ch 13-16

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to the podcast. I'm Elizabeth and I'm Jonathan and this is Harry Potter and the Second Time Reader

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Love the name Jonathan but

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we're doing chapters 13 14 15 and 16

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Lizzie, can you help me with a quick summary of chapter 13 before we dive into the questions? This is the secret riddle

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, this is when Dumbledore goes back in his memory and

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Looks at the orphanage and getting

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Baby Voldemort like Tom Riddle for school. Yes. Yeah, and he's like psychotic

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a psychopath. Yeah, I don't think he's psychotic. I think he's a psychopath. I don't think he's

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Psychosis is you hear voices or the beginnings of hearing voices. That's not like that's like a minimal lot minimized version of it, but

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He's definitely a psychopath and it's interesting cuz like you can kind of like sense it now like the kid is like

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_02]: When there's like lines that he's like, you know, I can make animals do what then I want them to do

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, mmm, that's like early signs of the serial killer

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Immediately into the suffering of other people. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty gross

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But one thing that I I

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually commend Dumbledore in this and I'll this is can we be our first discussion

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: if

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You went up to the kid like this and you see the kid clearly has some issues like this

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Would you let him into the school or not? I don't know. It seemed like he was destined to go like

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_04]: What does that even mean that he was like written in at birth to go like that his mom's dying wish

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: no, there's there's a

[00:02:03] a

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you just know all the wizards and all the wizards go to Hogwarts

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Jables is gonna kill me because I always forget this but I think it's the book of admittance and the pen of

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Something and it's something that senses magic and children and if

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: catches magic earlier like both of them have to like agree with each other and that's how

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Hogwarts ends out sends out its letters. They like know this shot child has like magical upbringing

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: so the kids name was written from like the beginning cuz they like the both the

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool of admittance the pen of acceptance or something like that

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Or something like that and I forgot exactly what it was

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But they have to agree and they agree. So his name was written and ready to go into Hogwarts for a while

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But if someone has magic like that and they're able to do it

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But they still seem like a psychopath from a young age like does he have the right to deny him? Yeah

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I think probably Dumbledore was hopeful that he could make him

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Be a good wizard. Yeah for sure like that would be in Dumbledore's nature. I

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Love that. I think yeah, I'm with you on that

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know like Dumbledore seemed kind of caught off guard to that like that was intense

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Voldemort's kind of crazy. Yeah, there's like a point to it where I

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Love that Dumbledore

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Invites this guy in cuz he's young and he could change kids are very malleable

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like even I don't know anything about

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Psychology really like I would love to learn this stuff

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't love armchair psychologists people who don't we like have training in this like there's one

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: There's one a tick tock clip that drives me crazy

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like this one

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Woman like she's psychoanalyzing some comedian and the comedians like what grounds do you have to like psychoanalyze me?

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And she goes I've been in I've been in therapy for like 20 years

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like football for 20 years that doesn't mean like I'm able to like go go to the NFL and play football

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like that's such garbage when people say that like these people are training this they know what they're talking about

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So I like that Dumbledore all of the safe. They're like letting this kid in yeah, he exhibits early signs of this but

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not firmed up like a kid's mind is still malleable and you're still like willing and ready to be changed

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: so I feel like there's there's definitely like

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: a

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Beauty to letting the kid in and trying to work with them

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: didn't pan out in the end

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Whether or not the intention

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I think also he's Voldemort or

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Tom is left to his own devices to with his magic right now

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like he can do what he wants and there's no rules

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, cuz I almost feel like if Harry had that Harry would start to really use it against the Dursley's and Dudley

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if he could figure out how to harness it like if he had a few more years

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Or if it wasn't so suppressed in the beginning and like he could just kind of grow up into it more

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like he would definitely get back at his family. Yeah, so I kind of agree

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He's already like plotting here

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It is it is like interesting especially this chapter day to just like talk about the differences in Harry's upbringing versus the differences in Voldemort's

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Or Tom Riddle's and how they became and like on what kind of people they became

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like a good little

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Contrast there in these chapters, so I'm into that but Dumbledore has this line where he says

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: She wouldn't or Harry says she wouldn't even stay alive for her son talking about Marope

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Dying and

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Dumbledore raised his eyebrows

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Could you possibly be feeling sorry for Lord Voldemort? No Harry said quickly, but she had a choice. Isn't she like my mother?

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Your mother had a choice too said Dumbledore gently or she she had a choice not like my mother

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Your mother had a choice to said Dumbledore gently. Yes Marope

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Riddle chose death in spite of a son who needed her but do not judge too harshly Harry

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: She was greatly weakened by long-suffering and she had never she never had your mother's courage

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Now if you will stand

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Wes so was Marope cursed to death. That's what happened

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And mmm, is that your your opinion

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't think so

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So, why would she like not raise her wand to save herself like what does that even mean that seems like self-defense to me

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and then like I

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Thought Dumbledore was kind of insinuating that like

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Harry's mom could have saved herself

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: instead of saving Harry

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Or just chose to die and like let everyone die

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: My

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: There's not like a clear line where it says like, you know, she was cursed or hexed or anything like that

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she died of

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Lack of desire to lack of desire to live

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you lose the will to live

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You just die and you just die. Yeah

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like you ever seen Star Wars. No, we'll do Star Wars in the first time watcher

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the characters in Star Wars

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: She's giving birth and she loses the will to live and she just dies after that

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, so I don't I don't fully understand that but it's definitely documented in

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Medicinal history. I

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't know what I've heard like dying of a broken heart like a spouse dies and then like the next person dies the week later

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or yeah. Yeah for sure. That's like definitely kind of part of it. And I think there's like even when someone

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: you know has been battling cancer for such a long time and then you just kind of acquiesce and like the next like

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Few days they just die because they're like they kind of it's just like acceptance

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's something that I don't think you kind of have until you've suffered a significant amount

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I so I think suffering might actually be like the cause of it and I think she's suffering so much

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: From lack of love

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That she would rather die

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy. Sad. I can't believe she did that

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: like giving

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: The grandpa Tom Riddle the love potion because did she think that

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: You said that she thought he was actually in love with her at that point and then she stopped giving it to him or she

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Loved him so much

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: That she like gave him the grace of just doing his own. No, no, no, no definitely wasn't option two

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It was it was she

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Knew that it wasn't true truly

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's perverted and weird my view is like she knew that

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: She wanted to like give him a choice, but not have her not ever own love out of like

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: She thought in her head. I've given this to him enough. I know that he's gonna love me now

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: it was out of like self-assuredness and

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Almost like a almost like a sad kind of pride like I know that he'll love me now

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You're just Gaga for this guy. So she stops giving it to him

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He obviously comes to his senses and wants nothing to do with her and then she's like loses all hope

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like well if this guy who you know, I was giving love push into doesn't really love me then I'm out

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He never loved you he never loved you in the first place exactly because it wasn't love

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: so that's kind of my

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_04]: My take on that but I don't know maybe that's why Voldemort like needs the true love

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That's in Harry's blood wait because that baby was Voldemort that she had

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Because then he was like the anti-love

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why people think he is the way that he is cuz he's like a chai

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like a product of rape and anti-love and like a love potion and then Harry has like the actual real love. Yeah. Yep

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great observation it's a fantastic observation

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: What did you what did you think of Tom Riddle other than him being potentially a psychopath? What do you think of him?

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think he's cool

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's like smart he's kind of educating himself in a way like he's harnessed his own

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_04]: strength and then he also

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Likes to be a loner. Hmm. So I was kind of like either this is the beginning of like narcissism

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Or he is just like so used to being alone at this point or he like resents people because he's an orphan

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: That like he chooses to be alone all the time and do things by himself

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But honestly, I was like I would kind of want to go do all the Diagon Alley stuff by myself. Yeah

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, same Harry did it by himself and we were like, oh that's so irresponsible like Hagrid didn't tell him anything. Yeah, but I

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_04]: mean

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He had enough information I guess for sure and there's like a there's like a level of excitement to it

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like equated to like your first day in college or something like that. You're like out of you you're

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Independent it's like the first time you almost truly have independence

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I still remember like even the first time I got my driver's license and driving on the road and feeling that truly the first

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: sense of independence that you have and it's like exciting because

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Then you're branching into other relationships rather than branching into like more independence kind of so it's like Harry is

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He like likes to be on his own and do these kind of things because like

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He's leaving his past life behind and going and trudging ahead to like the better friends and the better relationships that he's gonna build

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Tom Riddle, I think he's leaving his past life behind for I mean his ambitions for sure

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is like a Slytherin trait, but just because he likes to be completely

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: isolated from everyone. Yeah, and then just cuz we have hindsight we know that like his

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: isolation is

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Not good yes of all the death eaters stuff that dumbledore mentions because he thinks he's better than everyone else. Yeah. Yeah, I

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Love the line in this. Did you know then?

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's Harry did I know that I admit just met the most dangerous dark wizard of all time said Dumbledore

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I had no idea that he would that he was going going. I can't read tonight Wow

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was to grow up to be what he what what he is

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: However, I was certainly intrigued by him I returned to Hogwarts intending to keep an eye upon him something

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I should have done in any case given that he was alone and friendless

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But which already I felt I had to do for others sake as much as his

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It's good line. Yeah, I'm kind of surprised that he has no like future

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_04]: vision on people

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I feel like you should be able to sense that somehow that's a seer Liz

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I literally just met another friend called Liz and there's two Liz's in my head no

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a theory that two Lizzy's can't get along. I

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Think it's like a personality issue. Whoa. Okay, if you if you're both only known by Lizzy

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you can be friends

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It has to be like Elizabeth Liz

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to be different. They have to be cuz Lizzy Liz Elizabeth has like 40 different nicknames

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: so and

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: 40 different spellings to you, so

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_04]: true

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so at the end Tumbledore does talk about the ring what happened to the ring

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Mmm, I don't remember is this one. It's not on the stool wasn't on his hand anymore

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I guess that was Harry assuming that it was meaningful in some way and then

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he was still expecting the story to be explained, but then it was just gone

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and he's never explained the story yet

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure. All right go to chapter 14 Felix Felicis

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: This is when Harry supposedly spikes Ron's

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Pumpkin juice with the lucky potion

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't and then Ron has the best quiz match ever and it's all placebo

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So my favorite chapters ever I love this chapter so much. I thought that was so fun that he did that cuz I

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: like then I was just like wow, how much is

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Mentality like the number one thing that's affecting your

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Performance like absolutely like oh no, no, no, cuz they a hundred percent

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it's so much about confidence and mentality over everything else. Yeah

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't even think it would have been wrong for him to give it to him

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't know why Hermione was so mad and then she was literally like hexing the other kid to like yeah agreed

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Hermione is being hypocritical here

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's wrong because you can't do that and like a sporting event cuz you you're essentially gonna like guarantee the win

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's like yeah performance enhancing drugs that was like in the rules of the ocean. Yeah for sure

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: That's true. But unlike a moral level I see no issue

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm yeah for sure cuz it's like a harmless thing. It's like a school quidditch game

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's not really like stakes involved in this. Yeah, so I'm kind of with you on that

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's definitely against competition rules

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: but I love the idea that Harry did this because Harry understands how much mentality is a part of like

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_02]: really

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially sports

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: In a major way. I mean, it's a part of everything like just having the confidence to know that you can like do this

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I still remember the best basketball about basketball game I ever played I had two older brothers

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They were really good and I was playing against this one team and both of them had graduated

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But the coach still remembered my both my brothers both my brothers really really good

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: They were good shooters. And so I remember the first time I touched the ball the opposing coach

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't that great of a shooter the opposing coach starts screaming at a scene because

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Get on him get on him. This kid's a really good shooter. I remember hearing that and being like you're darn right

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And just that guy's confidence, I think I scored like

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: 26 28 points that game or something like that

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was my best scoring game in high school

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that one guy had confidence in me and it gave me confidence like complete placebo effect. Nothing really changed

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But it gave me confidence and I was like actually good and I love that Ron and or how the Harry knows that

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Feeds this information to Ron and Ron just has the best game of his life

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, cuz I think Harry actually does believe in Ron like yeah, he knows he can do it agreed

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is being a great friend. Yeah, cuz if he didn't he would have actually given him the Felix Felicis

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Cuz he's like we have to get lucky somehow

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you didn't if he does believe in Ron, he's gonna like say oh, yeah, it's but of course and then

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Ron actually performs. I'm also like what is he holding out for? Like when is he gonna use this?

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, when do you think he's gonna use it? I don't know

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe with Cho or Jenny

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna put show and Jenny in the same room and swing it like which one should I take

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_04]: This is also the chapter where Ron and Hermione are fighting a lot

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or it begins. Yeah begins

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is just complicated who

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that they actually make a good couple?

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Ron and Hermione. Yeah, I feel like not at their age right now

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_04]: There's probably better people for them when they're young. I

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Feel like they're just yeah, I've said it before but they're like an old married couple. Yeah, like I could see them being

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: older

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, no, I don't think they should be together

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Think there's better people for them

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm, I feel like Hermione

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Hermione got attention from crumb. Yeah, like the the greatest

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Man that apparently ever lived for everyone

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But like she should I feel like she should get more attention

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Like she just has bushy hair and like glasses or something and everyone overlooks her

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I just feel like Ron is just like dumb and just like yeah following Harry around you probably have never seen this

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: movie, but you're seeing

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: What's that Anne Hathaway movie crap? I'm gonna forget it

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_04]: That's literally what I was thinking about when I said that princess no not the princess bride that's a great movie

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great movie though

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: As you wish

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The princess diaries princess diaries. Oh, it's such a good one

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I imagine that's like Hermione like brilliant but like underneath at all

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_04]: She's really really, you know just needs to straighten her hair

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the motto for today if you have bushy hair just straighten it

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're interesting I feel like they just bicker and fight they are very much an old married couple they have good qualities

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They balance each other out in certain ways

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Think it's definitely like something about opposites attract here. I don't feel like they like have a spark of like

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like I don't know they they kind of just remind me of like an old high school couple

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that they got together early on or they had feelings for each other early on and never explored outside of that and

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Just got like, you know got together and we're like, okay

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they realize they're not that compatible and they're very very different people I

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Mean I like I've seen this a bunch in different relationships, but I

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know they work together in certain ways

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like I like how Harry likes Ginny more

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah how Ron Hermione because I feel like Ron and Hermione they just want like each other's attention in a way

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: But not even in like a enjoyable fun way to read. It's just like I don't know

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: They are terrible at communication to like I'm not the greatest communicator in the world

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: not by any stretch of the imagination, but

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't know how to share each other share feelings with each other

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how they're not communicating. Yeah, how have they not had like a sit-down DTR and there's like they've never flirted at all

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, but then I like I

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't know if really Ginny and Harry have flirted but like the way it's written in is like, yeah, it's just obvious

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep, so I don't know. I don't I don't know who else would be good for Hermione and Ron

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely not lavender

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The last question I have in this chapter is you made a note of this

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But you'd called uh, you called the police. You said it was in placebo

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But the real question I have for you is

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Is liquid luck just actually a placebo? Is it sugar water all the time is because think about it

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He is drinking what he thinks is liquid luck and it works out great for him

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So his liquid luck literally just like some guy just cooked up some like potion and is and it does nothing

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: but because you take it it infuses you with confidence to be able to like trust your gut fully and like go

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: With whatever you think is right and like, you know

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And you have such a positive outlook on life that when you're taking it. It's just like

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Everything that I do. I'm like, you know

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna look on the bright side because I'm infused with liquid luck right now

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It could be literally nothing or it could be such a masterful potion that it's whatever you need it to be

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then it's like you take it and it like fulfills whatever you need. Yeah, I don't know

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't I feel like it has to be a real potion

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of with you, but I like the idea that it's just a placebo

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because you just like I like it but then you don't believe in yourself like then you just get dependent on this

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: No ocean. I mean who believes in themselves literally at all times no one

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't know. I mean why do you need to believe in yourself all the time? That's not necessary. Yeah agreed

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like you don't want to be over confident

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I like I don't know a ton of people who like I know some people who are like overconfident

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But they had like, you know

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Some kind of mental disorders where they're like they're always they always think themselves right I can play

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Sports with one kid who he was terrible

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but I've never seen a kid come more confident in my life than this guy and

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He was incredible in games that he played because if you like made one shot

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He was not gonna miss the rest of the game because he was like

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the best greatest player of all time and the stories are ridiculous and everyone knew his stories were lies

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But he just told him and they were absurd

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like that guy doesn't need it

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But for the average Joe like you take a little swig of this sugar water. Okay liquid luck and it gives you a good day

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know what your potential is. It's kind of those those little moments are kind of fun

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Ron knows his potential

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Ron could legitimately if you wanted to and if you had the confidence to any if you train be like a

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Pro Quidditch player after this game. Yeah

[00:24:09] Love it

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you. I do think it's real, but I like the idea that it's just placebo

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, um chapter 15 is again breakable bow some fun stuff in this chapter, but do you remember

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: What this is about?

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Do I remember what it was about let me look at the little chapter are oh

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, okay

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_04]: This is when they go to the slug club thing and then Snape pulls out Draco

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Is this that after and then they have

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_04]: this conversation about like Snape trying to

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Learn what Draco's mission is and then Draco like you can't help me. I don't want your help. You're trying to like

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Claim the victory or whatever for your own like you want the attention

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And then yeah, it's just more like Ron and Hermione fighting

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, yeah, it's good. Good summary

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Would you want to be part of the slug club for what you actually know it to be now

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So like you got more info info on the slug club, it's like an exclusive club of like

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The best not the best and brightest but like who?

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I can be humble

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Why wouldn't you I know it's like fun they're having like this bank with this little like ball and they're like

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: People dress it up and they're nice as well. There's like

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Celebrities. Yeah, it's cool. Take it agreed

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so here's another point so when they're at this little dance, I love that Harry takes Luna

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: My girl right there. Love that but

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Luna mentions this

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: She says she's a bit upset said Luna. I thought at first it was moaning Myrtle in there, but it turned out to be Hermione

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: She said something about Ron that Ron Weasley

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they've had a row said Harry

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: she's very she says very funny things sometimes doesn't he said Luna as they set off down the corridor together, but

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He can be a bit unkind. I noticed that last year

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: What is your general opinion on the trio presumably Ron here?

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But on the trio and what do you think is maybe their worst attribute out of?

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: For each of them

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Their worst attribute, yeah, I

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Feel like they're all very

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: They're like family tight at this point

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I feel like is why you can come across as mean because yeah like a certain level of yeah

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: You're locked in someone. It's just like it is what it is. It's a good interpretation. I like that but

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Hermione is definitely

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Controlling

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I want to say that's probably her negative trait

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like that I think that's great like yeah

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I would say controlling more than bossy because bossy is just annoying but like she really does wanna

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Like she tells me what to do all the time. I would never I could not deal with that

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_04]: But Ron I think is just like dumb. I feel like he's not I don't know. I just think of him as like

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Harry's crab and goil where they just follow him around

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like I don't know he's just like a nothing character, what does he bring to the table for you

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Chess

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: The best game wizard's chest this world has ever seen um, what does he bring to the table red hair humor

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he brings much to the table

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Lost all right. What why do you have?

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: some like outstanding Ron traits

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_04]: That you can come up with

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Loyalty really good friendship. I think he's like encouraging. Yeah, like he's a good sport to be around

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He if it was if it was just Harry and Hermione together things would be so

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Dreadfully scary and serious all the time. That's true. They would not have any room to breathe Ron gives them breathing room

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: His stupidity in his dopiness

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think he like gives him a space be like let's take a step back

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like enjoy life because otherwise both of them would not enjoy anything

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Would Hermione and Harry be friends of that Ron?

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think so I know I they might not be best of friends

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But I definitely think that they would be friends

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: almost out of necessity

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it would in a very utilitarian way they would need each other and they realized they needed each other so they'd be friends

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think they would get together?

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Because Hermione was like muggle-born and didn't know anything about yeah, I mean actually she's like a genius but I think they're

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: they would be more of a power couple and

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: their relationship would be I

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: think like kind of cooler because

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They're both pretty ambitious

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They both like have a good drive. They're both pretty brilliant

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: they're both really good at what they do and they could really compliment and help each other out in their careers and in their

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Life and like, you know just figuring stuff out. So I like that but

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_02]: there's something that I love so much about Hermione's crush on Ron because

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It shows me kind of where her priorities lie

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, she is brilliant one of the most brilliant people that the school has ever seen

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But she

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Values this dopey kid who can't get his grades, right? Who's not really that good-looking or like handsome or attractive

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: She sees something in him that I'm like I trust Hermione's perspective on this and I think

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: There's something to be said about

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Her miney wanting a guy that it's just like

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Can make her like lash and like, you know

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Her or why does Ron want her miney though? That's like wouldn't want her miney

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_04]: What we don't know what I do not feel like anyone without her money

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's a little annoying. She's like a little much at times, but she's brilliant

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_02]: She's definitely coming into her own

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: She's definitely like a late bloomer like Ginny is definitely the one that is like sweeping all the guys off their feet

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like the it girl now

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Her miney is kind and she's quiet and like she's one of those like hidden gems that you get to know and you're like

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Dang, she's like cool. But I like never really would have thought to get to know her that much

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Ron just got in early and he's like, she's mine

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like I'm picturing her different than you

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Picture her cuz you picture her pretty annoying right? Yeah and like very nerdy and like who doesn't love a nerdy girl

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't know I feel like

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think there's better people out there. I mean we haven't read a ton of people in this book

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, there's definitely some better people. There's like more I guess to each their own

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Who is okay maybe a weird question who is the most attractive character in the book to you

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_04]: In like physically no

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Physically, but like attraction is more than physical

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably like Fred and George. Yeah

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, that's kind of my answer to Fred and George are I feel like there are such catches and

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Tonks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tonks is easy. Tonks is like easily my number one like no doubt about it

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_02]: serious

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, just keep listing every character

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Cuz Fred and George is the same person they're one person

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And then just telling some serious those are my top three. Okay, I like that

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, honestly Fred and George are definitely in my in my top Tonks is probably on my number one Fred and George

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and then wild wild

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Pick but I would kind of say Luna. Oh, yeah

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Love her so much

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a little weird a little off love that

[00:33:24] All right

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Back to the especially the end of this chapter. I want to talk about a few questions here

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But what is your impression of the whole Snape and Draco interaction

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I need to reread it. Yeah, but so here's here's like I'll give you a line that they have

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It says Filch's expression of outrage disappointment was perfectly predictable

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But why Harry wondered watching him did Malfoy look almost unequally unhappy?

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And why was Snape looking at Malfoy as if both angry and was it possible a little afraid?

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is Snape afraid in this moment?

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like this situation might be up in the air and like something that's not planned by either

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Voldemort or Dumbledore and like he's actually flying by the seat of his pants. Yeah

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Cuz I don't like an unbreakable vow is serious

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and like he's now bound to that so like he has to help Draco but Draco not letting him help him

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But we still don't know what Draco's

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Mission is

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And I guess neither does Snape

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and do you find it shocking that Draco has learned Occlumency and he's actually able to shut Snape out of his mind here

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like Snape would have taught him Occlumency like in the common room. We're all like in the Slytherin

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_04]: dungeon

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But I feel like maybe Snape wouldn't have taught him to the extent where he could close out

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Snape, but then maybe you just learn it and then you just practice it and you're good

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But Occlumency is scary that's definitely like he's prepping for something like he is gonna be a death eater because why would you want to do that?

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_04]: For real cuz like Harry didn't prioritize it at all and there was literally Voldemort like coming to his mind

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely 100%

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, that's definitely freaky. Yeah, that's like a pro wizard skill right there and there's a point to it where

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Would love to know more about what Occlumency and Legilimency

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Feels like for the person invading and for the person being invaded if like if I'm walking on the street

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm a wizard. Can I feel if someone is trying to get into my mind?

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it like uh?

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Legilimency is the reading of the mind Occlumency is the shutting of the mind Legilimency is the reading of the mind

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Because if I could feel that

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That feels like such an invasion that I would really want to learn Occlumency

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Like not Harry over right like he was so weakened by it

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a kind of a more deliberate form of Legilimency. I'm actually excited to watch

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_02]: some of the movies with you because in the extra stuff that they've made in the Fantastic Beasts movies

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like a different version of Occlumency and Legilimency

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: where the person can kind of feel what's going on in their head, but

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little different

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of reminds me maybe a little bit of like

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Again you haven't seen Star Wars

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Lots of Star Wars references tonight. The only scene I've seen of Star Wars is they're like in this room thing and the walls are closing

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, it's a famous one

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Terrifying scene but and I saw that when I was like seven

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have to rewatch that for the first time

[00:36:57] I

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Completely forgot where my Star Wars reference is going. Oh

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You were talking about like differences between movies and how it feels when

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I completely forgot my there goes my Star Wars reference

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Legilimency and Occlumency

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember that was going but

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah, I think it'd be

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Really useful to know how to shut your mind off to someone else

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: because I don't want everyone like, you know prying into my mind and

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, just like everyone no legilimency. No, it's definitely like a skill that you need to learn

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's simultaneously a gift that you can you can be born with and that's also something that you have to learn

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And train and like hone so everybody has the ability to do it

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like some people could be better at it than others

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like you could tell if someone's looking into your head because don't they have to make eye contact?

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not like what dumb was doing like all

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and none of them felt it so because they're brand new wizards, yeah 13

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, here is my Star Wars reference. You can use the force on people who are weak minded

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't really use it with people who are strong minded and I'm like

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the same with a legilimency and occupancy?

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if someone looks into my mind

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Are they able to do that because I have a weak mind or am I able to shut them down shut them off?

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Are they not able to do that because I have a strong mind maybe a little we'll talk about that more as we go on

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there's like more nuance than that, but it's kind of like a

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Unspoken what are those called nonverbal spells? Yeah, really, but I feel like you learn

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Occlumency and legilimency first cuz it's like personal. It's like in you and then like the un

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna say the unspeakable

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_04]: What is it called the unspoken?

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Spells nonverbal nonverbal spells like those are like commands to other things. Yeah

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, can you like ockland or can you legilimency somebody who's doing a nonverbal spell and then like see what they're doing?

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Cuz like wouldn't you just be like repeating that spell over in your mind

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, probably is how you learn a nonverbal spell no

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Darn

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Um possibly there I don't know actually I don't know the intricacies of that

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They if

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Hogwarts ever wants to take me in as a student just to study the interest of all that

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they will more than willing to jump in

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Owl flying

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you been to Universal yeah, was it good I went very early on I want when the Harry Potter

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Universe was just beginning I went with my college soccer team cuz we had a tournament down there and it was

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: 24 guys and

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Going on to all the Harry Potter rides. We were all nerding out about it geeking out about it. It was

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: great

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like a good time. Yeah, well actually was a really good time, but I haven't been since so I'm hoping to go soon

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: but I

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Hear it's I hear it's magical over

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_04]: How much you love this book

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it's okay. Yeah, I mean I love this book but

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, one could say you love this book

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_04]: the last hundred hours of podcast I know Shreel for real I

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Think it's fun to like relive people's first read experiences like like

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Harry Potter

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Was such a fantastic book. I wanted to experience other people did

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Like experience that and I think that's kind of true with all sorts of others

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why in our my book club like you're a part of literally the first like four or five books

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We read were books that I loved that were like my favorite books of all time

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just wanted to get other people's thoughts and feelings on it

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like one thing that I just cannot get enough of so I'm like hey

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I ever started this in a book club

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So I might as well just do this with like, you know another book and I was like I love Harry Potter

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I've read it a lot bunch and a lot about it. Let me just you know

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Relive what people experience. Yeah, it's cool experience. So

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll get to do Lord of the Rings together and it's all sorts of other fun books

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, I have one more thing from the last chapter. Yeah, hit me

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Almost before Harry had registered what he'd seen Philch had turned and shuffled away muttering under his breath

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Malfoy composed his face into a smile and was thanking slughorn for his generosity and Snape's face was smoothly

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Inscrutable again. It's nothing nothing said slughorn waving away mouth was thanks

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know your grandfather after all he always spoke very highly of you sir said Malfoy quickly

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Said you were the best potion maker he'd ever known Harry stared at Malfoy blah blah. So I'm like, what if

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Slughorn is the half-blood prince

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And then like he purposefully gave Harry this book

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_04]: cuz like slughorn gave him the book, right and

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It was so last minute that Harry got in his class. I wonder if he like I'm gonna post

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna poke a hole in that

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he could be half-blood very well could be half-blood we don't know it's a great suggestion

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Why would

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So Dumbledore convinced slughorn to come to Hogwarts

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Because with Harry slughorn why didn't want to come to Hogwarts at all. Why would slughorn then equip Harry?

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_02]: with

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: This book that can make him brilliant instantaneously if slughorn wants really nothing to do with Hogwarts

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Because the higher that Harry rises

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he can't go with them and he'll know Harry as

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Well my student Harry Potter he excelled in my class. He was

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: We can be linkedin buddies

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it doesn't like it makes sense to me

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: That he would just hand it to him and be like boom

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy I kind of like that. Okay, good theory good theory

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna keep trying to gaslight you into not believing that so you don't don't know

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Have the rest of the book spoiled for you. I don't trust you anyway

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's go in the chapter

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: 16 and

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: all I have is the chapter 16 is I go back to the burrow and have lots of conversation and

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The minister comes yeah at the end. We'll talk about that if you trust him or not. It's a great one

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The first question I have

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's just a good line

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Unbreakable bow said Ron looking stunned. Now he can't have are you sure? Yes, I'm sure said Harry why what does it mean?

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can't break an unbreakable bow

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd worked that much out for myself funny enough

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: What happens if you break it then you die said Ron simply Fred and George tried to get me to make on when

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I was about five and he only did two. I was holding hands with Fred and everything when dad

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: My neighbors having an argument. I

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Was holding hands with Fred and everything when dad found us

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He went mental said Ron with a reminiscent gleam in his eyes

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Only time I've ever ever seen dad as angry as mom Fred reckons his left but X has never been the same since

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is great, I think you I saw this on like it I

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you asked this or something like this. It's in my brain somewhere

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm talking about why don't all these students do unbreakable bows

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like why isn't that just like a more common thing?

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think in the wizarding world they know how serious it is and they know it's like you will die if you don't

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Perform an unbreakable bow. How do you just die? Like what kills you the magic kills you?

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: There's magic embedded in your system now. It's a scary thing

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But then there's another point after this where

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Fred and George go into the muggle town and they start wooing women with muggle magic tricks. What do you think about that?

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_04]: That maybe I actually paused and just considered this cuz I was like

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I never even thought about like a wizard wanting to date a muggle

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I was like that would be such an ego boost cuz you would be so impressive to anybody

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah for real that you try to show off to be a little deceptive. It's a little like icky, you know

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But then I was like thinking of all the muggles and like the muggle wizard couples

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah throughout the series and I was like, I wonder how that all went down

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Were they just like doing magic and I don't know

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's always got to be a bit of a shock when something like that happens. Well, you have a sit-down

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I want to talk. Are you want to talk about like a relationship?

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm talking about that. I'm a wizard like oh great. I'm dating a crazy person right now

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm gonna actually prove it you're like trust

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Real that'd be actually a fascinating series. Give me a series

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, like a reality series on muggles and wizards dating and how they break the news and like do

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Some just say it right up front or some like hey look

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm um, you know, I know how to do magic

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Are doing that because they're using their magic like right at the beginning. Yeah for sure. So

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_04]: But it is like how do you show a muggle of magic like that that's illegal magic tricks

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're doing like really hard right of hand. Yeah good sleight of hand like hard tricks like and then someday they'll get married and be like

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly that's insane

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of it's kind of cool

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Who did that happen to wasn't there a couple that did that and then the mom was like so mad that the dad

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Was a wizard or the other way around?

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Shamus talks about his story. His mom was a muggle dad or his dad was a muggle mom was a witch

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a rape nasty shock from when he found out. Yeah

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There's probably some others too that we we've gotten where it's been like a shock for them to know

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That the other spouse is a wizard or a witch or something like that

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there's a lot of single-family homes out there because

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You reveal it all of a sudden and the person doesn't want to get with you and they're like

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Leave you with like, you know, that's why that's probably a fine line

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's a fine line to like navigate if you're so ashamed of it or like if you really love someone it's like

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Vulnerability where does the vulnerability come into play?

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you lay everything out open immediately or do you like have that period of time like a natural progression of things?

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We're like, hey by the way, let's have a sit down after like a few months of dating

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Or do you hold it back until you get married and the person is locked in with you

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're like, hey, by the way

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a witch

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's definitely not the way to go make it unbreakable

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah during our wedding I made an unbreakable bow so if you divorce me you're gonna die what yeah

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And that that destroys my theory that Dumbledore made an unbreakable vow and that's why his hand turned black

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, Dumbledore would just die

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: but could it potentially be a

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_02]: different kind of unbreakable bow of like

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe whatever this unbreakable bow is is there like a prolonged period

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it like slowly poisoning your system and is that what's happening to his hand?

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So like Izzy did he make an unbreakable bow with someone?

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting theories of what could possibly potentially be

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Why would it be a slow death like no, no, not necessarily a slow death

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: but like it's like the timeline like on his hand he sees okay like

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe like you take an unbreakable bow in marriage and you slowly, you know get this poison spread through

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like not that's not gonna happen. But maybe there's a different level of seriousness to a unbreakable bow

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: where

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like warning you or like the other person isn't fulfilling what they need to do

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So like it's slowly poisoning you as well. So that you help and fix the other person

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Because there was like three parts to Snape's unbreakable bow. Yeah, so like if he doesn't

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Succeed in one part. Yeah, I guess good point. You're not gaslighting yourself

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of Snape here though, I

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't know I'm like concerned for him. Hmm. I feel like he's losing his footing in this whole

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Lie scheme that he's created

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Like if Draco does something wrong in my jeopardized Snape or Snape standing in

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_04]: In with Dumbledore or with Voldemort

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm more concerned about Voldemort honestly because Voldemort would just kill Snape

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, I think Dumbledore would keep him around or like

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Give him forgiveness again, but I feel like if Snape messes up for Voldemort Snape just dies

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He's just dead. Yeah, which is not good kind of sucks

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Cuz you kind of feel like he's been being used by either the sides

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think Dumbledore would just send him on like a death mission either. Yeah

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Really? Yeah, I opinion of Dumbledore

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Come full circle

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_04]: No, cuz yeah Dumbledore just has never shown that in the past with people

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think he would do it now. Hmm cuz like he didn't even they didn't kill people in the ministry

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's like yeah, I'm always way more extreme than the books are I'm like die on bridge and like she doesn't die

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So I feel like Dumbledore would not just

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Be like, oh you failed boom. You're dead. Yeah

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But like Voldemort's like that. Yeah, maybe that's the only reason I think that is cuz Dumbledore is like the opposite of Voldemort and

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Voldemort would kill people. Yeah, Voldemort is out slaying people left and right no problem with that and

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_04]: This chapter there's the werewolf situation. Yeah, what do you think of that?

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Crazy yeah like biting kids. It's terrible which also makes me feel like

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Malfoy little Malfoy is definitely a death eater because if

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Voldemort's going after the werewolf like the kids with the werewolves, he would definitely just go after

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Teenagers. Yep

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's gross that is like reprehensible and he was the one that bit Lupin, which is really tragic. Yeah, that was crazy, right?

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So Lupin has to like live with this I can't therapy

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_04]: What are they werewolves?

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, are they like on their hind legs or they're like, whoa

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: No, they're essentially just human like normal wolves. So that's one mistake that the movies make is they really do look like normal wolves

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: For the most part like there's some probably some more subtle differences between them

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But they're like full wolf for a month or something. No just for the full moon

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_04]: How long is a full moon?

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just a bad night and then they're good but it definitely takes recovery time

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure when you're coming up to the full moon, it like kind of drives you a little crazier

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like even like my brother who are both my siblings brother and sister. Huh?

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_02]: They work in hospitals and they say the full moon makes people nuts

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: People like the hospitals are full whenever there's a full moon makes people a little loony. I believe it. Yeah

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy, but so he just has to live with this guy in human form then

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, they're like yeah, they're like, you know and I guess a shack together with all the other werewolves

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Just living it up

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's there just getting information that's got to be tough to live with this guy

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure the gray back doesn't really remember that he bit Lupin. Maybe he does

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's got to be tough to live with a guy that bit you when you were a kid and not want to like an act of

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Revenge right there. Yeah, and also you are fully into your werewolf tendencies too. So Lupin could fully just go bad

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah for sure

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is insane

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's actually an interesting point like that's a very

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Tempting situation. I feel yeah, I think

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's more uncontrollable

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_02]: uncontrollable with Lupin only at the full moon

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: so I'm curious how Lupin is

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Fixing that issue if he's like during the full moon

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He like locks himself in a room and doesn't let himself come out if that's how he's like gaining trust or like maybe like

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is it? Maybe it's a dark thing. But is Lupin having to trust or is that did Lupin?

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Is he having to show?

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: He's really a good like a bad werewolf to gray back by like going out and doing what these other bad

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_04]: What werewolves are doing? He's like biting kids

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Is Lupin out there biting kids to gain the trust of gray back? I don't think you would go that far

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I never even thought about that because when he they all turn into their wolf selves

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He has to do that too. Like he can't just have his potion. Yeah

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's like a point to it where I feel like in your werewolf self

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't really remember some of the stuff that you've done. So like maybe Lupin is I don't perceive Lupin as like like

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Going to the full extent of like attacking a kid or something like that

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That is not who Lupin is especially my head

[00:54:42] But

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Did he not kind of do that? He's going under your underground

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like you're it's almost an assessment like a necessity that you have to do something like that

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe he's like

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I don't trust yeah as soon as the full moon is about to burst

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like guys I gotta go to the bathroom real quick. Hold on. Don't go anywhere without me

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He locks himself in the bathroom

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They all go and they turn into werewolves and they all go out and they don't really remember

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They're having like a rager and then Lupin's just in the bathroom locked in the bathroom

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he doesn't like that. Maybe he's responsible

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Dangerous yeah, I don't think they all notice that looping

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, cuz if they all go separately then Lupin could just be like, oh I bit ton kids

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then not have done anything but

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He turned into a werewolf in

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Book three, right? Yep, and he was crazy

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like wasn't he trying to bite Harry? Yeah, cuz he didn't take his wolf man push

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So like it makes you not yourself. Yeah, he's definitely not yeah

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Being good

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Misbehaving yeah, he is misbehaving a lot. I

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't think about that

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yikes that'd be kind of crazy

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_04]: poor guy, I don't trust him now like

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_04]: what if he's just doing bad things and like making more werewolves and

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Serving Voldemort for the one night

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And then comes back and he's like, oh I'm in the water. Yeah

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like how could Dumbledore do that to him? He's not making any progress with these werewolves. Yeah for sure

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_04]: If anything, he should go out there and kill that one big one that yeah, honestly

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_02]: This is honestly if we're talking about pack animals the way that you control the pack is by killing the leader of the pack

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So legitimately that's Lupin's number one job should be I need to go into this assembly and kill the pack and then the

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Whole pack will follow me. I don't know if werewolves are pack animals to be honest wolves are pack animals

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know where wolves are maybe they're more alone wolves

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Now Lizzie we're having a discussion about this right now

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: My neighbors just said they saw a coyote in their backyard

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: or they maybe they say they came out of their front door and they're like hey John by the way

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I saw either a wolf or a coyote and I'm in my head. I'm like you did not see a wolf

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so we saw a coyote

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Jersey

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there used to be but there is not

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: There are the coyotes are intense honestly we need a lot more of them though for all the deer I know for real

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're getting more of them. Oh bring back the wolves more of them and bears. I know seriously wolves in Jersey

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: We should have mountain lions here too, there's a there's um a

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Zoo nearby us

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I can even say what the zoo is

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But they have a mountain lion. Is it named after an animal? No

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that that one is great. I love that one. That's a great one. This one's closer and it's a smaller. It's in a

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Center to the V

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And if no one knows about the zoo, it's free admittance in the winter

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and they have two mountain lions like huge mountain lions there in there

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so cool, but it's literally right next to like this out like huge outside park and I see dogs walking by it all the time

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm curious what these dogs when they walk by after like

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Going crazy because they know a mountain is literally a few feet away. They're out though

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Are there in like they're in an enclosure, but the enclosure is like

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Lit literally right next to the outside of the park. I never went until the animals there. I just

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a cool one go in the winter they let you they let you in for free and it's just like you walk

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Around and all the animals are still out there. They're just chilling. It's pretty cool. That's crazy. Go bison out there

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good it's a pretty good one. Okay off to go. They have a little bird sanctuary to little budgies. It's cute

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_02]: There was one we did in season one where I was like talking about someone's wand

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and there were Danny bought a bunch of wands and he had one that he was like, I don't remember but it starts with like

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Some kind of letter and I was like, oh I knew who that is and I threw it out there on the podcast

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like any anybody have any guesses and everyone I got the most emails

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I've gotten are just people who are at that point the podcast for like

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been thinking of every name possible and I cannot think of who it is because it started with an R

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It was five letters and everyone thought remiss but I was like, nope, it's not remiss but it was Rufus Scrimgeour. Yeah

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's fun

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But a few more random ones

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Some short random questions about this

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Use we talked about talks his new patronus form. We've already talked about a little bit

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So taxes has changed form

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Says he was however

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Reminded of a question he had with regards to talks and who better to the ass than Lupin the man who knew all about patronus's

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Tongs his patronus forms changed. He told him Snape said so anyway, I didn't know that could happen

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Why would your patronus change?

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Lupin took his time chewing his turkey and swallowing before saying slowly sometimes a great shock an emotional upheaval

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It looked big and out of four legs said Harry struck by a sudden thought and lowering his voice. Hey, it couldn't be

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it beaters out

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about talks is a patronus strong patronus form? I

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_04]: think Harry was gonna ask if it was

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like serious black dog form you think it was I

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't know. I feel like it's Lupin and wolf

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But I

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't know like why is that traumatizing to her that Lupin is a werewolf?

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Like she everybody has known that for so long

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I don't think that would be traumatizing to her

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So then the death of serious is very traumatizing and then it could be it becomes a dog

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean what else would it be? That's the real question

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's my question for you

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: If it's not the death of serious what also to be it feels so obvious that it's the death of serious

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's turned into something that kind of looks like something with Lupin because I know don't they end up together

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. Maybe I think they do. I don't know but

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not sure why like Lupin if it's a wolf or werewolf for Lupin

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what's traumatizing about it to her

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Like maybe he's getting injured out there or yeah

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe she's just like worried for him that he's gonna get hurt

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and that's enough where she's like panicking every time he's gone and then

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Boom now, it's a werewolf and then Lupin inside is like

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Um

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think Harry was gonna ask you it was the dog cuz that makes sense. Yeah, that's make sense

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But everybody knows he's a werewolf so yeah, I know maybe the obvious sure of the new

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The new mission. Yeah, I'm kind of with you

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about scrimmage or in his proposal for Harry? That was crazy. Yeah, that was very

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Greasy of him. Yeah do that

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And Harry was on point like everything Harry said I was like, let's go finally

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Coherent things

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he's not even offering him like let's work together and use your knowledge and your skills and defeat Voldemort

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like come to the ministry and it'll look like we have things under control

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm, and Harry's like you don't and yes, I'm on the other side. That's it end of story

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Was it a shocker that umbridge is still working there

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think I was surprised to hear a name come up again

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But I guess it makes sense that she still has her job

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, cuz the ministry's is bad. So they're not gonna like punish her behavior

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep, exactly, but it was surprising to me that he still has the scar on his hand

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was gonna be gone and that's exactly what I said

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Like how it's scrape that in and just like use that

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, yes, he's literally doing that right now. So I thought that was awesome. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I'm not gonna lie

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty sick

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a pretty good prediction of yours. I mean you were saying that I was like

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever he's going through right now

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Cuz I thought it would fade out but it didn't yeah cuz that line even was so great

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you don't care whether I live or die

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But you do care that I help you convince everyone you're winning the war against Voldemort

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't forgotten minister he raises his right fist there shining white on the back of his cold hand

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Where scars which Laura's umbridge had forced him to carve into his own flesh. I must not tell lies

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So good and that's exactly what I was hoping like he would be able to come into his own and be like look

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't tell lies. I have to be like I'm against you. Yeah, that's it. It's so good

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm also like stressed that either Percy or

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Him the what's the ministers name?

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, what if they're imperious like is everyone at the ministry in period good question. They're like trying to get

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Harry to come to the ministry and then they can trap him or something

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Cuz I'm like they didn't ask them any questions

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: They were just like oh it's Percy and the minister and then there's like where's your security questions that you were all

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Seriously you needed to have those seriously

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the most dangerous like these scammers coming in with your your fake minister and then yeah

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the ministers target number one for imperious. Yeah, I

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know I guess they're just so flabbergasted like as a president walked in I would not you know

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Do a quick background check on them?

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how this chapter ended though

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Says what's clear to me? He's done a very good job on you said scrimmage er

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: His eyes cold and hard behind his eyes wire-room glasses

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Dumbledore's man through and through aren't you Potter? Yeah. I am said Harry glad we straighten that out. Yeah, yes

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Love that loyalty

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: so anything else in this chapter, I like this line, which is I think just like

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Literally the line before what you just read

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But where Harry's just like insulting him a little bit

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like you can try Harry said in differently, but you seem clever than fudge

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'd have thought you'd have learned from the miss from his mistakes

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: He tried interfering at Hogwarts. You might have noticed he's not minister anymore, but Dumbledore is still headmaster

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love little like moments like that where Harry gets the best of these adults yeah

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he doesn't seem very grown up the rest of the time yeah, he's still getting bossed around all the time

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but in the little moments where he does take control and like okay good job

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I know for real you did okay. He's very mature and he's like very good at taking control

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: He shows a lot of

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Maturity and that I guess

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't know too many kids that are that well spoken when they're that age

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He just like commands a situation. He's like so fearless in the face of like these incredible

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well not incredible like he's really really powerful and important people and he doesn't value that at all

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's not dazzled by the greatness at all. Yep

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is so cool. I love that very

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's not dazzled by like almost fake greatness. He's dazzled by Dumbledore

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He's dazzled by some of these other people that can do like great magic

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But not by

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Just people who have power

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think ultimately Harry is a good judge of character. Yeah, so that's why he's valuing those people

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: For sure completely agree

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Especially like Hagrid they love Hagrid and Hagrid's a big nobody

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey watch it even with Malfoy right at the beginning of the books like

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: He was like, I don't think I want to be like

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: He knew nothing about the wizarding world at that point and he already knew him yeah, that's a great

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He is a very very good judge of character

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So we love him. It's good

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Alrighty, that's all we got. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna ask you all your favorites cuz I know you hate that

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Good. Thank you. Harry's Harry's our favorite and our hot tamale

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Just give me your hot tamale quick

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Since you're gonna know

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna say Lupin. That's a good one biting children over there in the secret society

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Lupin's a hot dude I would say probably House Cup would be Dumbledore

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh just cuz the whole memory thing. Yeah, it's a good chapter

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like Dumbledore is really in control of the situation here

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember the other favorite moment. Can we go all three three for three favorite moment?

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Love when he does his thing with his scar. He's like a mess not to lie. It's fantastic

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But the joy of Ron

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Having an amazing quidditch matches love that beautiful. Love that love that so much joy

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Love that for Ron. Yeah, my faves do it. I'm in I'm in for that one

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that all of them? Yeah, you know that was easy. Wow crush that

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't ask again

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I won't ask for another book. You're good

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thanks for joining us on our journey of Harry Potter the first time readers until next time

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: See ya. Bye