Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2: Movie

[00:00:00] What did you guys think of this movie? Just right off the bat. Thumbs up. And another thumb pretty up. Yeah? Yeah, I liked it. Yeah. I think so. No, I'm trying to like think. I know, I need to remember the movie now too. I'm like, what happened? I feel like it already branched off from the books to me somewhere in the fifth movie. I don't even know where it happened. Partially because of when we, you know what?

[00:00:31] When we paused the movies to then just read the rest, I feel like the movies became something different. And that's why it was easier to watch this and not be as critical because it already felt the characters don't even feel like the same characters from the book. They feel like roughly parallel stories. So I wasn't offended by some of the differences. Like I think I would have been if we watched them back to back, like reading right into movie.

[00:01:00] Yeah. There's enough distance between these two that you're not all the details in your hot head aren't like perfectly lined up with them. So it definitely feels like a completely different, you know, work of art or whatever. Yeah. So you're like being hypercritical. I'm not like crazy hypercritical of these movies anymore because I just kind of like them as they are, even though I think they're like, you know, huge flaws in them and they don't follow the books. Yeah. Yeah. I still like them, you know, they're so great.

[00:01:28] Um, yeah, I think I enjoyed it. I thought it was the close. We said that again, right? That was like the closest out of all the series.

[00:01:37] Oh, did we say that? Cause in my mind, I'm already feeling like, but we did the first of seven. Yeah. I don't know if this one was, I think part one felt really close. Part two. I think you guys said it felt close, but there were some parts that missed and it was, yeah. The Snape stuff. Yeah. Sorry.

[00:01:54] No, you're good. Yeah. Because they already like gave away certain things that it wasn't a surprise, which is so ridiculous.

[00:02:05] Yeah. That I'm so curious what that would be like just watching it directly, how it would feel the hints you get. And then in between movies,

[00:02:13] people need that if they don't read the book. Well, maybe I think it would be more suspenseful, but then they don't even build up his character. So you can't really have that be a surprise because it's like,

[00:02:26] there's nothing to back up or not enough time to back it up. Hmm. The character development or whatever.

[00:02:36] It's not like they did a great job either though. His background was like really short with like, um, Lily. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh. And that was weird too, because I felt like they didn't connect him and Lily as much because there wasn't that breakup moment almost.

[00:02:54] And, and that, it felt like the, the flashback was just didn't do it justice for me. Um, in, in a few different ways that I couldn't even put my finger on, but that was one of them where I felt like there needed to be that moment of like almost bitterness because again, I put you in suspense. Well then how does Snape feel about her now? And then like, that's why always means more because it's like, oh, even after rejection, even after whatever. So I don't know.

[00:03:23] I go back and forth. That's part of why I need to view the movies as separate because I want to be able to enjoy both, you know? The same reason I'd want to be able to enjoy the play.

[00:03:32] If there's a moment in it that's not canonical, was that the player? Was that the next book? Fantastic Beasts where it's something you're like, ah, that's not quite right. Well, I still want to be able to enjoy it. So going into open mind saying, oh, it's great, but.

[00:03:43] Yeah, you have a more open mind than me.

[00:03:47] So I feel like in general, I was like, yeah, it's pretty good.

[00:03:52] I, I do.

[00:03:53] I'm trying to like picture it as like a standalone thing.

[00:03:56] Like if you didn't read the books, you probably don't need that much information.

[00:04:00] So these little tidbits of like Lily and he knew Lily from childhood.

[00:04:04] Okay, boom.

[00:04:05] Check that out.

[00:04:06] Like, I don't know.

[00:04:07] I don't think.

[00:04:08] And maybe that's why they exposed the Snape being on the good side earlier.

[00:04:17] Like you don't need to go that deep into character history, character for it.

[00:04:25] I don't know.

[00:04:25] Like they could have done it.

[00:04:27] I don't know.

[00:04:27] Like what would it look like if they didn't expose it?

[00:04:33] Wait, what do you mean?

[00:04:34] Like which things?

[00:04:35] Sorry, Snape.

[00:04:36] And I know it was in the first one, right?

[00:04:38] When he killed him.

[00:04:40] Yeah, part one.

[00:04:41] Part one.

[00:04:42] And then part two, he's then like the headmaster and playing that part of like still he killed

[00:04:50] Dumbledore and no one likes him.

[00:04:54] And yeah, the that was one of my biggest qualms of this movie.

[00:04:59] But I don't hate it so much coming from like a books only perspective because I really love

[00:05:06] Alan Rickman and his portrayal of it.

[00:05:08] And Snape in the books, you just loathe so much in this, especially in the last one.

[00:05:12] But this, like you guys were saying before, part two gives way more clues as to like who

[00:05:19] he actually is.

[00:05:20] Like even the beginning of this, the first scene in this movie.

[00:05:24] Actually, let's really quickly.

[00:05:25] Welcome to the podcast.

[00:05:26] I'm John.

[00:05:27] Jen.

[00:05:28] Danny.

[00:05:28] And Kaylee.

[00:05:29] And this is Harry Platt on the first time readers.

[00:05:42] Anyway, jumping right back in.

[00:05:45] The first scene of this movie is the rehash of the end of the second of the first part

[00:05:51] where Gumbledore is rolling along the water and gets the elder stick or the elder wand

[00:05:57] and shoots up into there.

[00:05:58] And like that's how the movie ends.

[00:05:59] Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:00] But the next scene, do you guys remember what the next scene is?

[00:06:02] It's with Snape.

[00:06:04] Yeah, I was going to say it goes right to Snape's face.

[00:06:06] Yeah, it's right to his face.

[00:06:07] And he's looking over across the students who are marching into Hogwarts like.

[00:06:12] Yeah.

[00:06:12] Yeah, they're marching like military march almost.

[00:06:15] So he's like batting down the hatches on the school apparently.

[00:06:19] But his face looks like really despairing and sad.

[00:06:22] And like he's remorseful and regretful or something like Alan Rickman.

[00:06:25] It's a lot of emotion in his face.

[00:06:29] And one thing they do.

[00:06:30] I mean, like you have to know themes in this, but they play Lily's theme,

[00:06:35] which is like the musical version of what Lily's theme is.

[00:06:38] You don't really know it at the time, but like it's really sad music.

[00:06:41] It's like really regretful and mournful music.

[00:06:43] So I'm like, even at that point right there in this movie,

[00:06:46] you know there's something more significant with Snape.

[00:06:48] As opposed to the books where you kind of just hate his guts

[00:06:50] and you're hoping for the time like you guys cheering when he's dead

[00:06:54] and you're like, good riddance, this is great.

[00:06:56] It's left way more in suspense, I think, in the books than in the movies.

[00:06:59] In the movies, you're like waiting for his redemption.

[00:07:02] In the books, you think he's like kind of irredeemable.

[00:07:05] So I think there's a huge difference in that.

[00:07:09] Yep.

[00:07:10] Yeah.

[00:07:11] I like the way she did it better.

[00:07:13] Yeah.

[00:07:13] I do too, but I don't hate how Alan Rickman portrayed it.

[00:07:16] I love him as Snape.

[00:07:18] I think he did a great job.

[00:07:20] Agreed.

[00:07:21] I just think, like what, I don't know.

[00:07:25] Yeah.

[00:07:25] What would it, maybe it would have been too long.

[00:07:27] Maybe they would have had to add like a middle.

[00:07:30] And that's why I like certain adaptations like this because

[00:07:35] it doesn't, like the Dumbledore adaptation I think is terrible.

[00:07:38] I don't think that's a good adaptation.

[00:07:39] Yeah.

[00:07:39] Because I don't think he's at all what he is in the books.

[00:07:42] Snape's adaptation I think is a lot different from the books,

[00:07:45] but in like a positive way where like Alan Rickman is putting his kind of slant on it.

[00:07:49] Like he knows the character really well and he's putting like an extra slant on it,

[00:07:53] making him a bit more compassionate than maybe he is in the books.

[00:07:55] And I think that is really fun because like if you watch this with other people

[00:07:58] who haven't read the books, you can then be like, oh, you know,

[00:08:01] he's great in here in the movies, but he's also this, this, and this in the books.

[00:08:05] And he's like mean and nasty and like, you know, really it's like the suspense is held.

[00:08:08] Whereas Dumbledore, I'm like, he's nothing like this.

[00:08:11] He never yells like this.

[00:08:13] He's not like aloof.

[00:08:14] He's like, you know, very keyed in.

[00:08:15] He knows what he's doing.

[00:08:16] He's very unfocused.

[00:08:18] It's just a completely different character change.

[00:08:20] So I like certain adaptations and I don't like other parts of the adaptations.

[00:08:26] So I'm kind of split on that.

[00:08:29] I thought he did a good job in the dream though.

[00:08:32] Dumbledore.

[00:08:34] Dumbledore did a good job in the bad dream.

[00:08:36] Yeah.

[00:08:36] And when Harry is in between or whatever.

[00:08:41] Yeah.

[00:08:42] In King's Cross.

[00:08:44] Dumbledore did a good job.

[00:08:45] It could have been better.

[00:08:46] Agreed.

[00:08:46] But I'm just saying he did it.

[00:08:48] It was pretty good though.

[00:08:49] I feel like he was like true to character.

[00:08:52] Yeah.

[00:08:52] Okay.

[00:08:53] Yeah.

[00:08:53] I'm with you on that.

[00:08:54] Like as far as how his character was portrayed.

[00:08:57] Yes.

[00:08:57] The lines, they didn't give him any of them.

[00:08:59] No, I'm.

[00:09:00] Yeah.

[00:09:00] I'm not saying that that scene was great.

[00:09:02] But you're right.

[00:09:02] He had like the vibe there.

[00:09:03] That was.

[00:09:04] Yeah.

[00:09:04] Like he actually acted like, oh, if you just were like this for all of the movies.

[00:09:09] It would have been way better.

[00:09:10] Yeah.

[00:09:11] It would have been more Dumbledore in the books.

[00:09:15] Yeah.

[00:09:16] I'm kind of with you.

[00:09:18] I'm actually, that's actually a really good point because I, I've been hypercritical.

[00:09:22] We've all kind of been hypercritical of him.

[00:09:23] But that, that is a scene where he does kind of act him really well.

[00:09:26] Where he's like compassionate and like very straightforward.

[00:09:30] I feel like he's a little whimsical too.

[00:09:32] Yeah.

[00:09:33] In the dream.

[00:09:34] And like that was, that is Dumbledore.

[00:09:36] I'm like, I just find it strange that he only could pull that when he's in a dream.

[00:09:42] Yeah.

[00:09:42] Agreed.

[00:09:42] And even like to that last line of like whether or not it's in Harry's mind, that's that kind

[00:09:47] of whimsical and pulling the lines right from the book really helps.

[00:09:51] Even though they skipped other lines, that would have been nice.

[00:09:54] I'm like, it's right there.

[00:09:55] Just read it.

[00:09:56] Yep.

[00:09:57] You don't have to recreate it.

[00:09:59] I did think it was nice.

[00:10:01] Uh, well, knowing what was happening with Snape, I think made it better when he died in a sense,

[00:10:10] because then there's more emotion there because then there's something to lose.

[00:10:14] It's not something to celebrate.

[00:10:15] And I feel like as a movie watcher, if you didn't know the story, you would still get some of that

[00:10:23] mourning almost where you, you almost don't know why you're, you're sad, but I imagine

[00:10:29] you would feel mixed feelings at the most there because you know, there's more to the story.

[00:10:36] Yeah.

[00:10:36] In the books, you're still totally lost to that.

[00:10:39] And that's why it's weird.

[00:10:41] Um, but I think that's why it was maybe a good call for, well, theatrical reasons at least.

[00:10:48] Um, and getting to watch it after reading, I thought was pretty fun.

[00:10:53] Yeah, for sure.

[00:10:54] And even to your point too, Jen, the, uh, the last scene, Dumbledore acts really great,

[00:11:00] but the lines are, you don't need half the lines in there because the previous movies just didn't

[00:11:06] build any of his story up.

[00:11:07] So in the King's cross, the majority of what they talk about is Dumbledore's family.

[00:11:11] And Harry's so confused with like, what happened to this family?

[00:11:13] Why didn't tell him, tell him anything.

[00:11:15] And they're going through all of that information.

[00:11:16] And then they talk about a little bit of like the Voldemort download, but the majority of

[00:11:20] it is Dumbledore's past and they, the movies just don't have any of that really.

[00:11:24] So they don't really care about that.

[00:11:25] So they don't need that.

[00:11:27] I was like, did the movies even talk about a sister or anything?

[00:11:30] Really?

[00:11:30] There's one mention of his sisters.

[00:11:32] I remember.

[00:11:32] Do you guys remember?

[00:11:33] No.

[00:11:33] What is the reference?

[00:11:34] Is that Ariana in the picture?

[00:11:37] Yep.

[00:11:37] In Aberforth's place.

[00:11:39] And Aberforth has one line where he goes, he gave her everything except time.

[00:11:44] Yeah, but like.

[00:11:44] So that's it really true.

[00:11:47] Like as a line.

[00:11:47] He didn't give her time.

[00:11:48] He didn't give her time, but he didn't give her everything except for time.

[00:11:52] That's weird.

[00:11:53] Yeah.

[00:11:53] What does that line mean?

[00:11:54] I don't like that.

[00:11:55] I thought he didn't care.

[00:11:55] I thought that was why he was upset.

[00:11:57] He gave her everything but time?

[00:12:00] Like I like that Aberforth is actually a great actor.

[00:12:03] I think he does it really, really well in like a lot of his lines.

[00:12:07] But that's a line that I'm like scratching my head over because they have like huge disagreements.

[00:12:12] I kind of wanted to see the disagreement like the enmity between the two a little bit more.

[00:12:17] But that's really the only mention we have of Ariana Dumbledore on the entire thing.

[00:12:20] Which is crazy.

[00:12:20] I thought he said that he gave or that is he saying that he himself gave everything but time?

[00:12:27] No, he's saying this of Dumbledore.

[00:12:28] Dumbledore.

[00:12:29] Are you sure?

[00:12:30] Of Albus.

[00:12:30] Yes, sir.

[00:12:31] Yeah.

[00:12:32] Because I think he's explaining to the kids, you know, why there's tension there.

[00:12:40] I don't remember how the line came up.

[00:12:42] Yeah.

[00:12:42] But it feels like he's kind of addressing them a little to explain or like, I don't know,

[00:12:47] it feels like he's trying to explain Dumbledore a little more to them.

[00:12:50] Like something like they didn't understand Dumbledore or like he's kind of making fun of them a little.

[00:12:55] I forget how it came up.

[00:12:56] Like, oh, you guys believe all of his stuff, right?

[00:13:01] Because in that moment you kind of are like, oh, this is like weird.

[00:13:04] These brothers don't get along.

[00:13:07] It makes him look better.

[00:13:09] Dumbledore looked better.

[00:13:10] Yeah.

[00:13:11] Dumbledore caring.

[00:13:12] Which he didn't even, they didn't even.

[00:13:14] Oh, that's interesting.

[00:13:15] Actually make him look that caring.

[00:13:17] So maybe that's why.

[00:13:19] Because if you say that and you don't know the background story, it looks as though.

[00:13:24] Yeah, you're right.

[00:13:24] He cared a lot for her, but just didn't give her time.

[00:13:29] Gave her everything but time.

[00:13:30] Yeah, you're right.

[00:13:31] That line does sound a little bit more like giving her everything.

[00:13:34] So then it's like contradicting a little bit of the stories and rumors that they were reading.

[00:13:38] Yeah, that is true.

[00:13:40] But I don't know.

[00:13:41] People who haven't read the book even think of that line.

[00:13:43] I feel like that's just such a random pointless line.

[00:13:45] I didn't even think of that line.

[00:13:48] That's a great point.

[00:13:50] Because when you're re-watching the movies, like there's none of the Dumbledore background.

[00:13:56] So like you're not even really thinking about that when you're watching it.

[00:13:58] That's probably why.

[00:13:58] Much more action.

[00:13:59] Which is like, you know, how maybe a movie should go.

[00:14:01] It's like more of an action movie.

[00:14:03] But I think when you're, yeah, if you've just watched the movies, you see that line, you're like, oh, there's like, you know, some story behind that.

[00:14:09] But you don't.

[00:14:10] You just don't even care.

[00:14:11] I also wonder what is the audience that they were trying to capture like for the show, for the movie?

[00:14:19] Because then your attention span would be short.

[00:14:27] Wouldn't it?

[00:14:27] Like the younger you are, it's shorter and maybe a little bit more as you mature.

[00:14:33] But then maybe that's where it's like they cut out this like history because who wants history?

[00:14:39] You want action.

[00:14:39] Yeah.

[00:14:40] Which usually would give me.

[00:14:41] Yeah.

[00:14:42] Such a good point.

[00:14:43] Yeah.

[00:14:44] Maybe not a bad call.

[00:14:45] Yeah.

[00:14:46] But yeah.

[00:14:47] I don't know.

[00:14:48] These are all things we all know, but.

[00:14:50] Yeah.

[00:14:50] I mean, this movie is pretty much just one big action movie from start to finish.

[00:14:54] Yeah.

[00:14:55] But it's not like it is action, but it's like, huh.

[00:14:58] Yeah.

[00:14:58] It feels like the action parts were like too traumatic.

[00:15:05] Dramatic?

[00:15:06] Yeah.

[00:15:07] Some of them are traumatic too.

[00:15:09] Too dramatic.

[00:15:11] And like they didn't sprinkle it throughout.

[00:15:14] I don't know.

[00:15:14] Just maybe I'm wrong.

[00:15:16] I'm kind of with you.

[00:15:18] It was just like they.

[00:15:20] I'm curious like what an example would be because I'm thinking of Harry and Voldemort fighting.

[00:15:24] That felt too dramatic in a way that contrasted the books.

[00:15:29] Yeah.

[00:15:29] Quite a bit where I thought the book drama was great.

[00:15:33] Yeah.

[00:15:33] But I feel like in in the scheme of all books to movies, that must be a perfect example of like what worked so well in the book.

[00:15:42] Yeah.

[00:15:42] Makes sense that it would work in a book and what works in a movie.

[00:15:45] And it makes sense why it would work in a movie.

[00:15:47] And I don't think either audience would do as well with the opposite.

[00:15:52] I just feel like he didn't explain it as he was fighting.

[00:15:55] Like why wasn't he explaining things of the history of like why the wand wasn't going to work for him.

[00:16:02] Yeah.

[00:16:03] I feel like it was a quick like a quick blurb.

[00:16:06] But it wasn't.

[00:16:07] They had a long time fighting, which didn't happen in the book, which I get.

[00:16:12] But then maybe have a more dialogue.

[00:16:15] I don't know.

[00:16:16] More dialogue of like you think that you killed Snape.

[00:16:20] And he I don't I don't even remember.

[00:16:23] Like maybe I'm talking I'm talking circles.

[00:16:26] You're saying in the movie the dialogue wasn't important.

[00:16:29] No, I'm talking about the fight.

[00:16:31] Yeah, because it was it was just a physical battle.

[00:16:34] That went on forever.

[00:16:35] So Harry explaining wasn't really a thing.

[00:16:37] But he could have done both is what I'm trying to get at.

[00:16:42] I don't even remember if he did.

[00:16:43] I was too distracted with all the flying around.

[00:16:46] Wand twirling.

[00:16:47] The dialogue that they did have was was short.

[00:16:51] It was short and it just wasn't really like exactly what the book was talking about.

[00:16:55] So that's one of those scenes.

[00:16:56] Like there are certain parts of this movie that I love and I think they like actually did fairly well.

[00:17:01] I love like the break into Gringotts.

[00:17:03] I think that that whole sequence was done pretty well.

[00:17:06] But the duel between both of them, I just think they missed because it's so different in the books.

[00:17:14] And the books has such a significant like apex.

[00:17:19] It's completely different from the movies.

[00:17:21] Like I talked to you guys about this before, but the apex in the books comes when is Harry in the forest again when Harry's walking to the forest.

[00:17:28] And then at King's Cross, you have all this information.

[00:17:30] And then the like the last chapter is just like Harry explaining to Voldemort like how he's already lost.

[00:17:37] And like you kind of already know this.

[00:17:38] You already know.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:39] So like you're right along there with Harry.

[00:17:41] When Harry comes back in the movies, that's like the culmination of the action.

[00:17:46] And like you don't know if he's going to win or lose yet.

[00:17:48] He's still fighting this guy.

[00:17:49] Right.

[00:17:50] You kind of think you kind of know that he's going to win.

[00:17:52] But it's like he comes back and they still have this grand duel and they're like fighting and like, you know, it's like life or death.

[00:17:57] And then finally he gets his wand.

[00:17:59] Then he like ebbs away and like ashes.

[00:18:02] And he has these lines where like Harry says, come on, Tom, let's like finish this how we started together.

[00:18:10] And he doesn't really explain even like how the wand doesn't really serve him.

[00:18:15] I think there were just differences that I couldn't get around because in the books, it's like he comes back.

[00:18:23] Harry explains half this stuff to him and he's like Voldemort can't even like harm anybody.

[00:18:28] Like none of his curses are working on anybody else because Harry's cast a blood protection over him.

[00:18:32] And that's nothing.

[00:18:33] You get none of that in the movies, which is like I think it's such a significant point in the end of the book when Harry has sacrificed himself.

[00:18:40] Like it's part of his character.

[00:18:42] Yeah.

[00:18:42] Yep.

[00:18:43] But how would they even do that?

[00:18:45] What would that look like?

[00:18:46] I don't know.

[00:18:47] Because it just might not have worked in movie form.

[00:18:49] Like would the movies or even the books at this point be as popular if they tried doing that?

[00:18:54] Yeah.

[00:18:54] Or would it be like, eh, that felt weird.

[00:18:58] It was like fell flat.

[00:18:59] Like because too many of the other movies set up again certain ideas of theming of action and visuals.

[00:19:06] And so I think there's an expectation.

[00:19:09] They could have done it though.

[00:19:10] I'm picturing it in my mind right now as you're talking.

[00:19:12] Yeah.

[00:19:12] And you're like, yeah, it would have looked great.

[00:19:14] I think it could have been like a clear bubble that went over them.

[00:19:19] Yeah.

[00:19:20] Like a flood.

[00:19:22] Oh, okay.

[00:19:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:19:22] Like an ocean flood over them.

[00:19:24] But then it kind of disappears.

[00:19:26] And then Voldemort has a Death Eater like, oh, do this, do that.

[00:19:31] And they go to do a spell and it doesn't work.

[00:19:34] Yeah.

[00:19:35] They definitely could have done it in some ways.

[00:19:37] Showing that it's not working.

[00:19:38] Yeah.

[00:19:38] I think it, like that kind of stuff would have shown it for sure.

[00:19:42] And then he looks at Harry and Harry's like, what?

[00:19:44] Yeah, right?

[00:19:44] I sacrifice myself.

[00:19:47] I love them.

[00:19:48] HBO, higher.

[00:19:49] Yeah.

[00:19:50] There it is.

[00:19:51] He's got a vision.

[00:19:53] Oh, I just think that it felt like it was more Harry's brute strength that won in the

[00:19:59] movies.

[00:20:00] Yeah.

[00:20:01] Compared to the books that it was like, it was much more sacrificial.

[00:20:04] But they showed a great scene with like Lily sacrificing herself and then Snape running,

[00:20:10] which was also a little weird, Snape running in to like hold her.

[00:20:16] Yeah.

[00:20:16] Love it.

[00:20:16] And they could have.

[00:20:17] Honestly, I don't like that either.

[00:20:20] Yeah.

[00:20:21] Yes.

[00:20:24] That's an always.

[00:20:26] Yeah.

[00:20:26] Big time.

[00:20:28] I don't.

[00:20:28] Yeah.

[00:20:29] I didn't.

[00:20:29] I didn't mind that.

[00:20:30] I'm just saying that they could have been.

[00:20:32] Yeah.

[00:20:32] I don't know.

[00:20:33] Some kind of segue.

[00:20:34] Yeah.

[00:20:35] Into like sacrifice for love.

[00:20:38] And then it ends with Harry sacrificing.

[00:20:42] Yeah.

[00:20:42] Because he loves everyone.

[00:20:44] In the books, like those three chapters are the most important.

[00:20:48] So it's the prince's tale and then it goes into the forest again and then it goes into

[00:20:53] King's Cross.

[00:20:54] And everyone loves those three chapters.

[00:20:56] It's like everyone's favorite.

[00:20:57] And when we were watching the movies, I was asking all the people, I was like, rate these

[00:21:02] scenes for how they portray to the books.

[00:21:04] And most people really, really love the prince's tale.

[00:21:08] That was getting like sevens and eights.

[00:21:09] It's pretty, pretty accurate to the books for like as far as what Snape's memory has.

[00:21:14] They forget a few things.

[00:21:15] They forget some of Petunia's discussions with them, which is like not essential, but it would

[00:21:21] have been nice to have a little bit of Petunia's backstory.

[00:21:23] That would have been kind of cool.

[00:21:24] And then there was just like what you were saying before, Danny.

[00:21:27] There's not enough connection between Snape and between Lily to where like you don't know

[00:21:31] what Snape's worst memory was.

[00:21:32] And calling her like the M word that's like left out of it.

[00:21:36] So that's a significant part.

[00:21:37] That's when he lost Lily.

[00:21:38] So like some of the parts are left out, which are, are tough to like forego.

[00:21:43] But as a memory as a whole, you kind of really get the feeling that Snape loved Lily, like

[00:21:48] almost more so than you get it in the books.

[00:21:50] Cause in the books, it's some like weird version of what, I don't know, Snape thinks

[00:21:55] is love.

[00:21:55] And in the movies, it's more like he runs in, cradles her, is like devastated at her death.

[00:22:00] And it's like, um, it's like decently done in the movies.

[00:22:04] And then the next one is the forest again.

[00:22:06] And some people, this one's a little bit more of a mixed bag.

[00:22:09] Some people really love this one.

[00:22:10] Some people hate this one.

[00:22:11] I actually think it's a pretty good portrayal because mainly cause Lily's character, um,

[00:22:17] says always.

[00:22:18] So it gives more light to what the always word means.

[00:22:21] Like, I think that's a great line when Harry's going and he's, he's like, you'll stay with

[00:22:25] me.

[00:22:25] And then he goes till the, till the very end.

[00:22:28] And Lily sits there and goes always.

[00:22:31] All right.

[00:22:32] Yeah.

[00:22:32] Something like that.

[00:22:32] And it's just great.

[00:22:34] Like, I think that's a really well done scene.

[00:22:37] And then I just think King's cross kind of misses it for certain parts.

[00:22:41] Like I, there was Dumbledore's acting was great in that, but for the rest of the dialogue,

[00:22:45] it was sins of the private, uh, previous movies that kind of messed up.

[00:22:48] Yeah.

[00:22:48] Yeah.

[00:22:50] Yeah.

[00:22:53] You're right.

[00:22:54] I think that does make sense about Lily saying always, I think I didn't like it.

[00:22:58] And when I was watching, I was like, what?

[00:23:00] That's Snape's thing.

[00:23:01] What is what?

[00:23:01] It felt like almost cheating Snape.

[00:23:03] I think you said that.

[00:23:04] But in my reflection on the movie since then, I was like, I could appreciate it.

[00:23:09] Yeah.

[00:23:11] For what it was.

[00:23:13] Because I feel like Lily, especially in the movies, was not that much of a character.

[00:23:18] Yeah.

[00:23:18] Um, so it's nice to give her a little bit more.

[00:23:22] Um, I pictured the forest scene a little bigger.

[00:23:25] It somehow in the movies felt smaller to me.

[00:23:28] Yeah.

[00:23:28] Um, where like not all of his death eaters saw or something.

[00:23:32] I was like, wait, how many of them are there?

[00:23:34] Isn't this a whole army?

[00:23:35] I thought it was maybe a little more of like a clearing in the forest, but then in the movies,

[00:23:39] it just felt a little bit small for some reason.

[00:23:41] Um, in maybe just physical, like the set itself just didn't feel that big.

[00:23:50] Um, or maybe it was just the emotional weight of it.

[00:23:52] I'm not sure.

[00:23:53] How much time did you spend pondering the movie, Danny?

[00:23:57] No, the movie itself, maybe only a little bit, but the story as a whole, um, because you

[00:24:03] know what?

[00:24:04] We'll do a conclusion podcast.

[00:24:06] Yeah.

[00:24:06] Um, but I maybe as a coping mechanism and just hoping that the rumor is she wrote the

[00:24:17] final chapter or parts of the final book, um, before or as she was writing the first book.

[00:24:24] Yeah.

[00:24:24] I'm just thinking and hoping that we haven't even seen it yet.

[00:24:28] And the final part of this story that she wrote is actually something beyond what we have already

[00:24:35] consumed because let's just imagine you're thinking seven books ahead.

[00:24:41] Why not make it 10 books ahead?

[00:24:43] And there's a trilogy we haven't even seen.

[00:24:45] And she was always planning on.

[00:24:47] He's like obsessed with Star Wars.

[00:24:48] He thinks everyone's going to do that.

[00:24:49] I would love that though.

[00:24:51] That'd be so great.

[00:24:51] Well, I don't know if everyone's going to do that.

[00:24:53] I know it's not like backward.

[00:24:55] Because it'd be a pretty baller move for her to just say, that's the story.

[00:24:58] That's it.

[00:24:59] I'm not selling any additional rights, whatever.

[00:25:01] I'm dying with it.

[00:25:02] And that's where it goes.

[00:25:03] That's cool.

[00:25:04] Will she do that?

[00:25:04] I don't know.

[00:25:05] Even if she does, will her kids or somebody else just say, well, we want to make a couple

[00:25:09] billion so we're going to sell it?

[00:25:10] I don't know.

[00:25:11] Is she still actively writing?

[00:25:13] She's got a daughter.

[00:25:13] But what I'm thinking is.

[00:25:15] She's writing a ton of, under Robert Galbraith, she's writing a ton of, I forgot what the

[00:25:19] series is called.

[00:25:20] She's probably got like 10 to 15 other books published.

[00:25:23] Oh my goodness.

[00:25:24] And they're like bestsellers.

[00:25:25] People love them.

[00:25:27] Well, I would love to read some too.

[00:25:28] Yeah.

[00:25:29] But I guess I just feel like genuinely there are parts of the story that to my mind left

[00:25:37] some open ends.

[00:25:39] Interesting.

[00:25:39] And, and I could actually see.

[00:25:42] Well, some of the things I've been talking about along the way of like family ties.

[00:25:46] And wands.

[00:25:48] Yeah.

[00:25:48] And Snape could still be Harry's dad.

[00:25:51] What?

[00:25:53] Legitimately.

[00:25:54] There's a possibility out there that it could be.

[00:25:55] I'm just saying.

[00:25:56] And I like James Potter as much as.

[00:25:59] No, you don't.

[00:26:00] All right.

[00:26:00] I don't like him.

[00:26:01] James Potter is a jerk.

[00:26:02] The point being, there is at least the possibility for stories like that.

[00:26:09] And so when I'm taking a shower, sometimes I'm thinking, you know what?

[00:26:12] Yeah.

[00:26:13] Snape and Lily could have had a little, a little thing that never got exposed because James

[00:26:17] was always the jerk and never actually grew up.

[00:26:20] And there were some other reasons we never saw.

[00:26:22] And Snape is actually Harry's dad.

[00:26:24] And that leads to this whole.

[00:26:25] Anyways.

[00:26:27] Because I think themes along family, we still don't know why the Potters were such a big

[00:26:32] deal.

[00:26:34] And I still feel like there was just more to it.

[00:26:37] And I still wonder when Harry's memory of green.

[00:26:41] Was it?

[00:26:41] Maybe.

[00:26:42] Yeah.

[00:26:43] But was it all just Avada Kedavra or was there some flu powder involved?

[00:26:48] Did he get moved?

[00:26:49] Who are you talking about now?

[00:26:51] Harry.

[00:26:52] I can't.

[00:26:53] Anyways.

[00:26:54] Lots of possibilities.

[00:26:56] But with a story with the world she set up, anything is possible.

[00:27:00] Truly.

[00:27:01] Truly.

[00:27:02] And I'm glad she capped things like time travel.

[00:27:08] Well, somewhat capped them.

[00:27:09] You can never fully.

[00:27:10] Not really.

[00:27:10] If you're just reading the books, you have no idea.

[00:27:12] You mean watching the movies?

[00:27:16] Like you would have no idea that she closed that door.

[00:27:19] I feel like you, John had to like explain it.

[00:27:22] Yeah.

[00:27:22] So we knew.

[00:27:23] Almost like, basically I felt like John was saying, all right, Danny, stop thinking

[00:27:26] about time travel.

[00:27:27] That was the last we're going to see of it.

[00:27:29] Yeah.

[00:27:29] Which was good because otherwise it's too broad.

[00:27:32] But I'm just saying you wouldn't have gotten that.

[00:27:33] You're right.

[00:27:33] Not naturally.

[00:27:34] It would only be after seven books looking back and saying, oh yeah, that was what that

[00:27:39] was.

[00:27:39] Okay.

[00:27:39] Or in a second or third read maybe.

[00:27:41] But I do think that there's more thematically she could do.

[00:27:47] Even with Snape being the best legilimens in the world, we didn't see enough of that.

[00:27:52] We didn't see that on display beyond just knowing that he was able to deceive Voldemort.

[00:27:58] And I think in order to make that story really like satisfying, there's another book out there

[00:28:04] in her mind, maybe only or maybe only in mine, where more of Snape's legilimens power

[00:28:11] is on display and where there's more of a connection of why the prophecy was about Harry

[00:28:19] and why the Potter line was so important.

[00:28:23] And you're going to be DB.

[00:28:24] And where they came from.

[00:28:25] Rowling.

[00:28:27] Yeah.

[00:28:28] That is very like Star Wars thinking of you because in the original trilogy, you get a

[00:28:34] lot of unanswered questions in the original trilogy.

[00:28:38] Like what is actually going on here?

[00:28:40] What's the backstory?

[00:28:41] And then the prequels give you a little bit of that answer.

[00:28:45] And we won't even talk about the sequels because they're terrible.

[00:28:51] Yeah.

[00:28:56] The.

[00:28:57] Yeah.

[00:28:58] How they end.

[00:29:00] We'll save that for like the wrap up podcast because she's written a ton of extra stuff.

[00:29:05] And I'm so excited to look into all that too.

[00:29:07] Yeah.

[00:29:07] So.

[00:29:09] There's a lot of like, but it's, it's not so much building out.

[00:29:14] It's not so much as like answering.

[00:29:16] I mean, she answers a ton of questions, but it's more so like she still confines it to

[00:29:21] the seven books that she's like to the world that she's built.

[00:29:24] She's not like, she's never really hinted at like, oh, there's like another.

[00:29:28] Right.

[00:29:29] Additional trilogy that's going to come out after this.

[00:29:31] It's going to answer even all more of your questions.

[00:29:33] Yeah.

[00:29:34] It'd be kind of great if that came out, but we don't really have anything like that

[00:29:36] at the moment.

[00:29:37] So maybe one of these days.

[00:29:41] Maybe.

[00:29:42] Wait, how old is she?

[00:29:45] Maybe mid sixties.

[00:29:48] It's a little older than I thought.

[00:29:50] Yeah.

[00:29:50] But you can write forever.

[00:29:51] 58.

[00:29:52] Sorry.

[00:29:52] Sorry.

[00:29:53] Okay.

[00:29:53] All right.

[00:29:53] Nice.

[00:29:54] Nice.

[00:29:54] That's, that's good.

[00:29:56] You can.

[00:29:57] Like it's not that true.

[00:29:59] She, she very much seems like, not like she's done with the series.

[00:30:05] Um, but she like did a bunch of extra stuff and she's like, I'm moving on other stuff.

[00:30:10] She's like, this is a closed thing.

[00:30:12] And she's like, I'm moving up onto like, yeah, she's like, I made my fortune with this.

[00:30:16] Like the first billionaire author or something like that.

[00:30:18] I think it's crazy.

[00:30:20] It's insane.

[00:30:21] But like only a few, um, what's a few, but like years ago they built this universal, um,

[00:30:29] world.

[00:30:30] Isn't it crazy that they did that after the movie?

[00:30:31] And that was years after.

[00:30:32] That's what I'm, that's what I find.

[00:30:34] Oh, it was because of the movies.

[00:30:36] That's why I'm kidding.

[00:30:37] Well, yeah, but didn't it finish?

[00:30:39] But like everything, I just find it like so crazy that like.

[00:30:43] Like they already knew there was more to this because they're like, this world is too big.

[00:30:48] It's not going to die.

[00:30:49] There will be more.

[00:30:50] That's why in theory we are building this whole world at the peak of Harry Potter and

[00:30:56] it's only downhill from here.

[00:30:58] No, they knew there was going to be more somehow.

[00:31:00] Right.

[00:31:01] Isn't that why they were willing to invest so much at that time?

[00:31:04] Because.

[00:31:05] Okay.

[00:31:05] So that is like another part of this whole thing too.

[00:31:08] It's not, this hasn't been like a cut and dry like thing that made, like they made this

[00:31:14] whole thing years after they made all like universal, um, the Harry Potter world years

[00:31:19] after the movies were really created.

[00:31:21] Like they were starting to make it.

[00:31:22] It was like basically built like the main stuff, but now it's huge.

[00:31:26] Now like with Hogsmeade and everything like that and the Harry Potter experience, all these

[00:31:29] other stores and like places opening because she not that she like left a bunch of questions

[00:31:36] unanswered, but she built the world.

[00:31:38] I think really, really well that like you can jump into these things and you still want

[00:31:43] to know about all these different characters.

[00:31:44] Oh yeah.

[00:31:45] Because I think she built so many complex characters.

[00:31:47] Like you want to know about the Marauders and want more stories about them.

[00:31:49] You want to know about like the founders and when like their story.

[00:31:52] And that's why most fans just want like, you know, we, I, I, I'm excited for the HBO series.

[00:31:57] Very excited for it to come out, but I just want more extra stories.

[00:32:02] I, I'm like, okay, I know about Harry Potter.

[00:32:05] I want like other, I want you to fill in the world now.

[00:32:08] I want like other storylines of this in the same world.

[00:32:11] So true.

[00:32:12] Did she kind of do that already?

[00:32:13] A little bit.

[00:32:14] Yeah.

[00:32:14] She's done that with certain things.

[00:32:15] She's done that with certain characters.

[00:32:16] She's written shorts on certain things.

[00:32:18] Oh, she has.

[00:32:18] Okay.

[00:32:19] Yeah.

[00:32:19] But nothing like book substantial.

[00:32:21] That you fans are like.

[00:32:23] Fantastic Beasts is not a book.

[00:32:25] It's just a movie.

[00:32:26] It is.

[00:32:27] The weird thing, like I have Fantastic Beasts over there, but Fantastic Beasts is like Newt Scamander's guide to beasts and beings.

[00:32:35] Or to, no, just beasts.

[00:32:36] That she wrote?

[00:32:37] No.

[00:32:37] She did write it, but she wrote it like as Newt Scamander.

[00:32:40] Oh.

[00:32:41] But it's like, it's like this guy, Newt Scamander is like just like a fake character or not a fake, like a character in the, well, yeah, fake.

[00:32:49] A character.

[00:32:50] Not fake, he's real.

[00:32:51] Yeah.

[00:32:52] A character in Harry Potter that is like an author.

[00:32:55] And he was like a magizoologist.

[00:32:57] So the whole book is essentially like, this is what, you know, a Occamy is.

[00:33:02] And he gives like the explanation of it and gives like the description.

[00:33:05] And like they rate it on a scale of 1x to 5x for how dangerous the creature is.

[00:33:10] And that's the entire book.

[00:33:11] It's like an encyclopedia.

[00:33:12] So it's not a story.

[00:33:13] Not a story at all.

[00:33:14] So she's written The Tales of Beedle, the Bard as a story.

[00:33:16] That's five different stories.

[00:33:18] And then she's written Quidditch Through the Ages, which is great.

[00:33:20] They're super fun books.

[00:33:21] But there's not extra stuff.

[00:33:24] She's written extra stuff on her website.

[00:33:25] It's funny that it would be those and not like history of certain characters.

[00:33:30] Maybe it's just too much thinking.

[00:33:32] Yeah, maybe.

[00:33:33] I feel like she did a lot of this like extra thinking though.

[00:33:35] Like she's.

[00:33:36] Oh.

[00:33:37] She's.

[00:33:38] I mean, yes.

[00:33:39] But like.

[00:33:40] But you're right though.

[00:33:41] So a lot of people talk about her too.

[00:33:44] And that's the fact that she did something called retconning, which is like you go back

[00:33:49] and like you kind of contradict previous like canon that's already been established.

[00:33:55] So some people like they don't like her anymore because they say that she's kind of like messing

[00:33:59] up with her own storyline in canon just to like make things more appropriate or like,

[00:34:03] you know.

[00:34:05] However.

[00:34:05] However.

[00:34:06] What is she doing?

[00:34:07] That's contradictory.

[00:34:09] We'll talk about that in the next one.

[00:34:10] I don't.

[00:34:11] I don't think a lot of it is that significant, but I'm trying to think of like a blatant example

[00:34:17] of one that she's done.

[00:34:20] There's a there's a few that come to mind, but we'll kind of talk about them in the next

[00:34:23] one.

[00:34:24] But yeah, so I'm excited about that series.

[00:34:26] That's why I like even again, going back to the movie, I think the movie is is like there's

[00:34:32] lacking parts that I'm excited for it to flesh out.

[00:34:34] But I still kind of just wish they just went on to like other stuff.

[00:34:37] Like I'm like, we got the Harry Potter story in the movies and we have the books like I'm

[00:34:41] excited for them to go into that, but I want them to go into like all sorts of other side

[00:34:44] stories.

[00:34:45] Like another movie?

[00:34:45] Are you talking about a book?

[00:34:46] Are you talking about both?

[00:34:47] I'm just like, yeah, just write it.

[00:34:48] Yeah.

[00:34:48] Write another like TV series on like, you know, there's tons of people are coming up.

[00:34:52] Oh, you're saying like not recreate this better, but go off.

[00:34:56] Yeah.

[00:34:57] Gotcha.

[00:34:57] Gotcha.

[00:34:57] Like I'm excited that they're going to recreate it better, but I'm more excited like Star Wars

[00:35:01] gets me excited because they're not going to in it.

[00:35:06] I think that's what they're hoping to do.

[00:35:07] I think they're hoping to make enough money that they can start producing these and then

[00:35:11] they can maybe just make the characters their own backstories a little bit.

[00:35:15] Yeah.

[00:35:15] Yeah.

[00:35:15] Like they could be lining up in the 10 seasons, a bunch of spinoff shows or not even spinoffs,

[00:35:22] but just introduce characters or ideas to test the waters on things.

[00:35:27] Yeah.

[00:35:28] Exactly.

[00:35:28] Yeah.

[00:35:28] Everyone wants an Ollivander show.

[00:35:32] Yeah.

[00:35:32] There you go.

[00:35:33] Whatever else.

[00:35:34] Parts of the world.

[00:35:35] Oh my gosh.

[00:35:36] Two of you talk about the one.

[00:35:38] How fun of a show would that be?

[00:35:39] I would love that show.

[00:35:41] I feel like there could be a whole show just about dying.

[00:35:45] Diagon Alley.

[00:35:46] Honestly, all the shop owners of Diagon Alley.

[00:35:48] Oh my gosh.

[00:35:49] It'd be great.

[00:35:50] Did she approve of the movies?

[00:35:52] Give her blessing film?

[00:35:55] She's going to be more involved in the series and the movies.

[00:35:57] She was involved in the movies, but she, I, I, certain parts, I think she sold certain

[00:36:03] parts, so she really didn't have a lot of like the control or say control over it.

[00:36:07] Like she, they, they valued, I think her like stamp of approval on things and she would

[00:36:10] give her sample of approval, but I don't think she had like.

[00:36:16] The power to say like, don't do this, include this.

[00:36:20] I'm curious if she actually liked the movies or not.

[00:36:22] Yeah.

[00:36:23] Maybe that's why she's going to be really involved in the series.

[00:36:25] She's like, I want control.

[00:36:27] Yeah.

[00:36:27] Yeah.

[00:36:28] So we'll see.

[00:36:30] I think overall as a series of movies, it was pretty good.

[00:36:35] Like it's very entertaining.

[00:36:37] Yeah.

[00:36:37] Obviously it did well enough that they made a amusement park.

[00:36:43] Agreed.

[00:36:44] Yep.

[00:36:44] Yeah.

[00:36:45] They did a lot of really good.

[00:36:46] And they like kind of took it from the movies though.

[00:36:49] Yep.

[00:36:49] All the sets.

[00:36:50] They really did.

[00:36:51] Yeah.

[00:36:51] And the alleyways, the whole thing.

[00:36:55] Which is the dragon on the, it's literally like.

[00:36:58] It's all the movie.

[00:36:59] Yeah.

[00:37:00] Yeah.

[00:37:00] That's interesting.

[00:37:03] Maybe they need a visual before.

[00:37:05] I would say, I feel like they probably, yeah.

[00:37:06] Which I'm very curious what the HBS series is going to do.

[00:37:08] I think we talked about this before, but are they going to just take the set?

[00:37:11] Are they going to just like film on location in Universal?

[00:37:14] Oh, wow.

[00:37:14] Are they going to do that?

[00:37:15] Or are they going to build their own unique things?

[00:37:18] Because then if they make a new Diagon Alley that the next generation is going to be into.

[00:37:23] Exactly.

[00:37:24] Do they have to redo Universal to be for the next generation?

[00:37:28] Yeah.

[00:37:28] Seriously.

[00:37:28] Whoa.

[00:37:29] Dang.

[00:37:30] It maybe wouldn't take too much tweaking.

[00:37:33] Or maybe they leave it the way it is.

[00:37:34] There are other things they do.

[00:37:36] Yeah.

[00:37:36] It's just series.

[00:37:37] It's just movies.

[00:37:38] Yeah.

[00:37:39] And even the Hogwarts Express, it better be the same exact train.

[00:37:43] You know what I mean?

[00:37:44] It's like you can't change some.

[00:37:46] Or are they going to say, forget it.

[00:37:47] We need to change it all up.

[00:37:48] Yeah.

[00:37:49] I know.

[00:37:50] It's going to be fascinating for how they make some of those decisions.

[00:37:52] Yeah.

[00:37:53] HBO.

[00:37:54] If you need writers or if you need anybody, we're all for hire.

[00:37:58] I don't want that pressure.

[00:38:00] It's going to be so many haters.

[00:38:01] Yeah.

[00:38:03] We will call it all the side stories for you guys.

[00:38:06] But again, that's even why some of this series is fun too because the mass amount of fan fiction.

[00:38:12] I think probably for Harry Potter more than anything else, there's more fan fiction out there than any other story that I've ever seen.

[00:38:17] Whoa.

[00:38:17] Probably.

[00:38:18] Or like how many people are writing.

[00:38:19] They take a character and they're like, I would love this, this, and this about it.

[00:38:22] Has any of the fan fiction gotten famous or like popular?

[00:38:25] Yeah.

[00:38:25] There's a few of them.

[00:38:26] Okay.

[00:38:26] There's one called Mankled, I think it's called.

[00:38:31] And it is the book rewritten, I believe from Hermione's perspective.

[00:38:36] Which book?

[00:38:37] Oh, I remember you saying that.

[00:38:38] I think like all of them.

[00:38:39] Oh, wow.

[00:38:40] Dang.

[00:38:40] Maybe.

[00:38:41] I might be wrong about that.

[00:38:42] Whoa.

[00:38:42] The weird thing.

[00:38:43] That's a lot.

[00:38:44] Dang.

[00:38:44] The tough thing about fan fiction is that you can't, obviously you can't publish any of

[00:38:48] it.

[00:38:48] So like exist domain or domain, whatever, free, I forgot what it's called, public domain.

[00:38:57] And if you, you can buy a hardbound copy of Mankled, but it's not like a traditional way of buying

[00:39:06] it.

[00:39:06] I think you're like technically gifted it and you're like donating the money or something

[00:39:09] like that because it's all about rights because it has, yeah, it can't be.

[00:39:12] They can't make money off of it.

[00:39:13] Yeah.

[00:39:14] Also interesting title too.

[00:39:15] Yeah, for sure.

[00:39:16] Yeah.

[00:39:17] I've heard that one is great.

[00:39:18] I mean, we have.

[00:39:20] Mankled?

[00:39:20] Oh no.

[00:39:22] Mankled is, okay.

[00:39:23] So Lana is, knows more about Harry Potter fan fiction maybe than anybody.

[00:39:27] Um, a few people in our group too.

[00:39:29] They, that's all they do.

[00:39:30] Read Harry Potter fan fiction.

[00:39:32] Some of it they say is phenomenal and some of them they say is trash.

[00:39:34] Mankled is if the dark is a dark version, if Voldemort had won the final battle.

[00:39:38] Oh wow.

[00:39:39] Oh, like change.

[00:39:40] Dang.

[00:39:41] Wow.

[00:39:41] Self-fiction indeed.

[00:39:43] Yeah.

[00:39:43] Wait.

[00:39:44] I don't like that fiction.

[00:39:46] You're like a fan non-fiction.

[00:39:48] Yeah.

[00:39:49] No, it's all great.

[00:39:50] That's okay.

[00:39:52] Uh, okay.

[00:39:53] So yeah, there's a seven book rewrite from Neville's perspective at Hogwarts.

[00:39:56] It's pretty popular.

[00:39:57] There's a lot of like super popular stuff that's, that, uh, people are pumping out for fan fiction.

[00:40:02] You've read them?

[00:40:03] But that's a lot of effort.

[00:40:03] I read a few here and there, but some of them are too massive for me to read.

[00:40:07] Um, that's a lot of effort for them to get no money off of it though.

[00:40:09] It's about Harry Potter.

[00:40:10] Yeah.

[00:40:11] Like seriously.

[00:40:11] I know.

[00:40:12] Yeah.

[00:40:12] It's a lot of effort to make no money, but these people, this is why Harry Potter is so unique

[00:40:15] because these people are obsessed with it.

[00:40:17] I just, I know, but like how much time do you have to rewrite all seven books and get

[00:40:21] no money off of it?

[00:40:24] I just can't understand that.

[00:40:26] Yeah.

[00:40:27] People are passionate.

[00:40:28] We're passionate.

[00:40:29] I know.

[00:40:29] Seriously.

[00:40:30] I know, but writing seven big books like that, that's a lot.

[00:40:34] Yeah.

[00:40:34] I guess that's different because you're, well, I don't know.

[00:40:37] John, you can write a book basically.

[00:40:40] Editing.

[00:40:41] Yeah.

[00:40:42] I know.

[00:40:42] I don't have the tools for that, but.

[00:40:44] It's a lot.

[00:40:45] Yeah.

[00:40:46] It definitely is a lot.

[00:40:47] There's like fun again, but some of this, like I would like writing short stories for

[00:40:51] this because like some of it is.

[00:40:52] Yeah.

[00:40:52] That makes more sense to me.

[00:40:54] Uh, it's fun to like go.

[00:40:57] No, go ahead.

[00:40:58] No, I was going to say, and because of the podcast, you actually could get a following

[00:41:02] with your short stories.

[00:41:04] Yeah, for sure.

[00:41:05] Yeah, true.

[00:41:05] Sorry.

[00:41:06] No.

[00:41:06] Continue that thought.

[00:41:08] Yeah.

[00:41:09] Fans, we're going to have short stories from John.

[00:41:12] Oh, no, I don't think, I don't think.

[00:41:14] I, I like the idea.

[00:41:15] He's contemplating it.

[00:41:16] No.

[00:41:17] He's like, I like videos.

[00:41:18] Like something that I, I think through is, I don't, I just don't know the legality of

[00:41:23] some of this is like publishing like short stories on YouTube, but them as screenplays

[00:41:31] and then like taking, getting like an AI art generator and being like, Hey, can you like,

[00:41:36] you know, draw an image of this and like just typing in whatever the screenplay description

[00:41:40] is.

[00:41:40] Right.

[00:41:40] You know, like, give me a, like, you know, a storyboard picture, like image of this

[00:41:44] and just like the YouTube videos, the storyboard images and looks like whoever's dialogue

[00:41:48] is like, yeah, you're just narrating it or getting like voice actors to narrate some

[00:41:52] of that stuff.

[00:41:52] Like that'd be fun.

[00:41:53] I would like that.

[00:41:54] But, um, and like there's different people that I think would be really like, I've, I've

[00:41:59] would love doing like one on Neville and like his, you know, future story.

[00:42:03] I think there's some interesting things.

[00:42:05] Like, but, uh, yeah, some of the, yeah, some people are saying there's like audio book

[00:42:11] fan fictions.

[00:42:12] Um, I'm excited even for like the Harry Potter, um, audio book that they're going to do

[00:42:16] of like all different character voices.

[00:42:18] Like that's going to be fun.

[00:42:19] Oh yeah.

[00:42:20] Um, they're coming out with one for that.

[00:42:22] So that'll be neat.

[00:42:23] That's awesome.

[00:42:23] Like the audio book has all different characters as opposed to one person.

[00:42:26] Yeah.

[00:42:26] Oh, cool.

[00:42:27] So nice.

[00:42:28] They're coming out with like some good stuff, but Jim Dale did it.

[00:42:31] Jim Dale.

[00:42:32] Yeah.

[00:42:32] Yeah.

[00:42:33] He sounded like three.

[00:42:34] I know.

[00:42:35] He listened to it.

[00:42:36] It's like impressive.

[00:42:37] 500 different characters.

[00:42:38] It's great.

[00:42:39] That is pretty neat.

[00:42:40] It's just like never ending though.

[00:42:42] Like there's so many fans and so many different.

[00:42:49] Possibilities.

[00:42:50] Venues of like where you can add whatever.

[00:42:54] Yes.

[00:42:54] Yeah.

[00:42:55] My words are not coming out.

[00:42:59] I'm trying to think through the movie if there was anything else major and notable in there.

[00:43:04] Yeah.

[00:43:05] Yeah.

[00:43:05] That's why we got sidetracked.

[00:43:08] Yeah.

[00:43:08] There's like good parts of the movie.

[00:43:09] There's there's not so great parts.

[00:43:13] Yeah.

[00:43:14] There the this whole movie is the end or like the literally just one day essentially.

[00:43:21] It's them going to Gringotts, raiding Gringotts and then it's it's them.

[00:43:26] It's one day.

[00:43:28] Yeah.

[00:43:28] Oh, wow.

[00:43:29] I don't think I processed that.

[00:43:30] Yeah.

[00:43:31] It's supposed to be one day.

[00:43:33] So they raid Gringotts.

[00:43:34] They get out.

[00:43:35] It's like super early morning and then they jump into Gringotts or they jump into Hogsmeade

[00:43:44] right after that and they get like, you know, almost caught.

[00:43:49] The pacing of all that stuff felt so crazy.

[00:43:52] Yeah.

[00:43:53] Even Gringotts.

[00:43:54] It was a slow start and then it all happened at once.

[00:43:56] Yeah.

[00:43:57] Um, the little shot showing that, uh, that was Griphook, right?

[00:44:02] Who was he had died.

[00:44:04] Yeah.

[00:44:04] And then just like giving you that, which I thought was an interesting touch in the movie.

[00:44:07] But then a lot of the pacing things felt weird.

[00:44:10] And then because of the book preconception, the final battle, the waiting an hour, then

[00:44:17] in the forest, then coming back out, the locations and timing in that battle felt weird because

[00:44:23] I had little expectations that were being twisted or not met.

[00:44:29] But, and that's when I was like trying to just embrace the movie for what it was.

[00:44:35] Um, but that was interesting.

[00:44:37] There is, there was even parts in the movie, um, like Neville's slicing of Nagini has no

[00:44:48] real meaning in the movies.

[00:44:50] It's just like Neville, you kind of like him as a character in the movies and he slices

[00:44:53] and you're like, Oh, that's cool.

[00:44:54] It has way more significance in the books.

[00:44:57] And then even like you guys were mentioning how Harry doesn't, when he's going to the

[00:45:00] forest, how he doesn't really talk to Neville and like give him like, Hey, yeah, you have

[00:45:04] to kill the snake.

[00:45:05] That's it.

[00:45:05] So Neville just slices the snake because he's just, you know, there's a snake.

[00:45:10] He's just slicing the snake.

[00:45:11] Looks bad.

[00:45:12] Yeah.

[00:45:12] Yeah, exactly.

[00:45:14] Yeah.

[00:45:15] So that's pretty much all he does.

[00:45:16] So like, that's a little bit out of it.

[00:45:19] Um, but what do you guys think of the very end?

[00:45:24] The like epilogue, the 19 years later or whatever it was.

[00:45:29] Oh, actually right before that too.

[00:45:30] This is a, what did you guys think of the wand snapping?

[00:45:35] You picked up on it right away.

[00:45:36] Yeah.

[00:45:37] Cause I was like, wait, no, he's not supposed to do that.

[00:45:39] And he was supposed to fix his wand first.

[00:45:41] I know.

[00:45:41] That part is devastating.

[00:45:42] But then I actually was like, wait, what did he do with the wand in the books?

[00:45:45] I literally.

[00:45:46] He fixed.

[00:45:46] He put it.

[00:45:47] He fixed his own wand.

[00:45:48] Didn't he put it back?

[00:45:50] Where'd he put it?

[00:45:50] Didn't he hide it somewhere?

[00:45:51] I thought he put it back.

[00:45:52] Yeah.

[00:45:52] Or something.

[00:45:53] Yeah.

[00:45:53] So he doesn't, he puts it back in Dumbledore's grave.

[00:45:57] Yeah.

[00:45:57] So that's okay.

[00:45:59] He dropped the rock.

[00:46:01] Yeah.

[00:46:02] In the forest.

[00:46:03] The rock dropped in the forest.

[00:46:04] They go up to Dumbledore's office.

[00:46:06] Oh yeah.

[00:46:07] The headmaster's office.

[00:46:07] And they have a conversation with the portrait.

[00:46:09] And Harry talks about how, um, he says that I dropped, you know, the object in the snitch

[00:46:17] in the forest.

[00:46:18] I don't know where it is.

[00:46:19] And Dumbledore's like, great.

[00:46:20] That's perfect.

[00:46:22] In my head, I'm like, in the books, I'm like, okay.

[00:46:25] So someone accidentally stumbles across the resurrection stone in another series.

[00:46:28] J and Joe.

[00:46:29] Like.

[00:46:29] Yeah.

[00:46:30] Yeah.

[00:46:30] Yeah.

[00:46:30] There you go.

[00:46:31] There you go.

[00:46:32] The same thing happens with the wand where in the movies, it's very close.

[00:46:35] Harry snaps a wand.

[00:46:36] That's the end.

[00:46:37] Cause like, okay, no one can take this wand again.

[00:46:39] And that's it.

[00:46:39] Mm-hmm.

[00:46:40] In the books, he takes the wand and he's, he rested back with Dumbledore.

[00:46:44] I'm like.

[00:46:45] So all three of these things are living.

[00:46:47] Literally out there in the books.

[00:46:48] I forgot.

[00:46:49] Yeah.

[00:46:49] Cause then that this was in my head and I was thinking the snapping, it was a good idea.

[00:46:53] But even that it's like, it was powerful enough.

[00:46:56] Yeah.

[00:46:56] That how, will it have any power once it's snapped?

[00:47:00] Or is that just, that's what they do when they expel you from school.

[00:47:03] So no power left, but like at least put it in a museum or do something.

[00:47:06] I don't know.

[00:47:06] It just felt like throwing it off a bridge, maybe nice symbolism.

[00:47:10] But I was like, what are you doing?

[00:47:13] It didn't feel thorough to me.

[00:47:16] Yeah.

[00:47:16] Agreed.

[00:47:17] And with objects this powerful and he just told a portrait while all the portraits during

[00:47:22] the whole battle were running between portraits.

[00:47:25] Well, the fat lady overheard that.

[00:47:27] She loves to gossip.

[00:47:28] We already know.

[00:47:28] Agreed.

[00:47:28] She shared that with someone else who told someone else.

[00:47:31] Now everybody knows if you ask the right person that it's in the forest somewhere.

[00:47:35] Yep.

[00:47:36] And.

[00:47:36] But they're not going to need it.

[00:47:37] Everything is perfect.

[00:47:39] Well, it's not about need though.

[00:47:41] It's about greed.

[00:47:43] And at some point somebody is going to want it because somebody is going to have a loss

[00:47:47] or experience death or be afraid of something.

[00:47:49] And they're going to be like resurrection stone.

[00:47:50] But not many people knew about that.

[00:47:53] True.

[00:47:54] It was kind of dying.

[00:47:55] I thought.

[00:47:56] But enough people do know.

[00:47:57] Yeah.

[00:47:59] I actually didn't mind him breaking the wand.

[00:48:01] That feels more final than leaving it in his grave.

[00:48:03] I feel like for the movie it fit just because like it's symbolic of his maturity of like

[00:48:06] I don't need this power.

[00:48:07] Like no one needs this.

[00:48:08] We're done.

[00:48:08] And even Ron, didn't he like react to it?

[00:48:10] Yeah.

[00:48:11] Yeah.

[00:48:11] Whoa.

[00:48:11] Yeah.

[00:48:12] I mean it was definitely extreme but I feel like it was also good.

[00:48:15] Yeah.

[00:48:15] For him to do that.

[00:48:17] Maybe it's just my own greed that I'm like.

[00:48:18] But the power.

[00:48:19] I know.

[00:48:20] Keep it.

[00:48:21] I know.

[00:48:21] So yeah.

[00:48:22] But someone else would just take it and he'd have all these issues in the future.

[00:48:25] It's just never ending.

[00:48:25] Yeah.

[00:48:25] So true.

[00:48:27] Honestly, I'm curious if she wrote it like that way in the books because maybe she was

[00:48:31] like it was just you know peaking in its popularity.

[00:48:34] I don't even know about peaking but it was like growing so fast.

[00:48:37] She's like maybe like I don't you know have him break this because maybe I will

[00:48:41] write some kind of sequel and bring it back.

[00:48:43] Like someone finds you know the Elder Wand or like again because if Harry has to

[00:48:49] live a long life so like the crazy thing is to me Harry lays the Elder Wand down and

[00:48:54] then he goes and his profession after this is an Auror.

[00:48:57] Like he goes and becomes an Auror.

[00:48:59] So the first person that disarms Harry is the rightful owner of the Elder Wand.

[00:49:05] And like you're never going to know this really.

[00:49:08] Right.

[00:49:08] There might be someone like 20 years on the line who's the only one.

[00:49:11] Owner of the Elder Wand and they have no idea.

[00:49:13] But the fact is that it still has ownership like owners.

[00:49:16] Yep.

[00:49:17] Like no one's going to know it's impossible to really trace that.

[00:49:20] But let's say someone digs up Dumbledore's grave because they like learned that he had

[00:49:23] the Elder Wand at the end.

[00:49:24] They dig it up and they're like okay who's maybe the most powerful wizard of the time

[00:49:27] right now that I have if I kill maybe that.

[00:49:29] And the Elder Wand.

[00:49:31] I'm the owner of the Elder Wand.

[00:49:32] So I'm like I'm like did she write it that way so she can open up a whole can of worms

[00:49:36] after that.

[00:49:37] But same thing with the Resurrection Stone.

[00:49:38] He just drops it and you don't know where it is.

[00:49:41] And you know.

[00:49:42] Do you have to be using the Elder Wand when they get disarmed or just because you have

[00:49:46] it in possession it still counts?

[00:49:50] Do you have to be using the Elder Wand for it to count?

[00:49:52] Yeah like if they disarm you with it like whereas if it's just like stored somewhere.

[00:49:56] No because Harry disarmed Draco.

[00:49:57] Draco.

[00:49:58] And he just took his wand.

[00:49:59] Took Draco's wand.

[00:50:00] Not the Elder Wand and Harry became the rightful owner of the Elder Wand.

[00:50:03] True true true.

[00:50:03] Okay.

[00:50:03] And people like Ollivander actually.

[00:50:06] Ooh that's a dark one.

[00:50:08] Ollivander disarms Harry.

[00:50:10] Hunts him down.

[00:50:11] But people like Ollivander actually studied this and tried to track where it was.

[00:50:16] And now what happened at the castle is part of history.

[00:50:21] You know like there will be books written on it.

[00:50:24] They will study that in school.

[00:50:25] It's not a secret.

[00:50:27] So it feels like and even if it was somebody could use Occlumency and it just feels like

[00:50:35] that's the kind of thing that somebody at some point would try and disarm Harry to become

[00:50:40] the rightful owner.

[00:50:43] Even just for the sake of saying they were.

[00:50:45] Yeah agreed.

[00:50:48] This just reminded me of someone we were talking of one of your friends and they were saying

[00:50:54] they only watched Harry Potter series and they said the whole thing seemed about trying

[00:51:00] to find this one item and then they found the item that was it.

[00:51:05] And I was like wait are they talking about now I'm like is it that the whole time you're

[00:51:09] just trying to find the Elder Wand to be the most powerful and then when you find it that's

[00:51:15] it.

[00:51:15] And that's what he got out of like the whole thing.

[00:51:19] He's like it was kind of weird because I don't know.

[00:51:23] It's interesting perspective.

[00:51:26] Because he's like yeah I don't find it that great.

[00:51:29] It was just like all the search at the end was the end was to find this thing you find

[00:51:34] it and it's done.

[00:51:36] And I'm like like actually maybe that's how if you watched it only.

[00:51:42] Depending on how you watched it you know.

[00:51:45] With your eyes open.

[00:51:46] Half watching.

[00:51:47] But see I guess the books just add so much more that you can you can see all the depth

[00:51:52] to it.

[00:51:53] But I mean I kind of see where that person's coming from though.

[00:51:57] Because at the end it just seemed like whoever has the wand wins.

[00:52:02] Or owns the wand wins.

[00:52:04] But isn't that more just towards the end that's a thing?

[00:52:06] Yeah.

[00:52:06] From the beginning.

[00:52:07] It feels like that was such an end thing.

[00:52:09] And it came up even later in the movies.

[00:52:11] But that's how they defeated him.

[00:52:13] That's what I'm saying like.

[00:52:14] Yeah.

[00:52:14] Yeah.

[00:52:14] True.

[00:52:14] I think it's all about like defeating Voldemort and how did you do that?

[00:52:17] Oh it's the wand.

[00:52:22] I'm just bringing another perspective.

[00:52:24] Yeah.

[00:52:25] Yeah.

[00:52:25] In a sense.

[00:52:26] In a sense it is.

[00:52:27] Or his own pride defeated him.

[00:52:30] It is crazy because I mean if you're yeah if you're watching the movie I feel like that

[00:52:34] is a very viable way that you perceive it.

[00:52:37] He just had all he has to do is get the wand and he wins and that's it.

[00:52:40] And that's like the movie.

[00:52:42] Yeah.

[00:52:45] I don't know.

[00:52:46] That's just interesting.

[00:52:47] They don't go deep in too many characters so.

[00:52:51] Yeah.

[00:52:52] Yep.

[00:52:55] Good thing they will in the show.

[00:52:57] Exactly.

[00:52:58] What do you guys think of the epilogue?

[00:53:00] The 19 years later?

[00:53:03] Good.

[00:53:03] I don't like Ginny.

[00:53:06] Oh I know.

[00:53:08] It was rough.

[00:53:08] I thought it was good.

[00:53:09] It was just quick.

[00:53:10] It was like I just I like 19 years later or any amount of years later.

[00:53:14] Yeah.

[00:53:14] Because the conclusion.

[00:53:16] I feel like I love being able to rest easy.

[00:53:18] Give me a bonus.

[00:53:19] Yeah.

[00:53:20] Ending.

[00:53:20] Because it subconsciously or indirectly answers a million questions you might have if it ended

[00:53:29] on the bridge there.

[00:53:30] Yep.

[00:53:30] And you know that ultimately everyone ended up happy.

[00:53:34] And that's kind of how I want to you know at the end I'm like everyone quote unquote.

[00:53:39] Snape died.

[00:53:40] Yeah.

[00:53:40] So it's nice to see the long term conclusion.

[00:53:45] But I don't think there was much to note beyond that.

[00:53:49] Basically just hey.

[00:53:50] It was just funny though because no one looked their age.

[00:53:53] Maybe Harry matured.

[00:53:54] Everyone else looked the same or worse.

[00:53:56] Yeah.

[00:53:57] Like too old.

[00:53:57] Or trying too hard.

[00:53:59] Yeah.

[00:53:59] Like Ginny.

[00:54:00] She was trying way too hard to look older and it was terrible.

[00:54:03] Blame that on the makeup and hair.

[00:54:05] Yeah.

[00:54:05] I'm just saying.

[00:54:07] I'm with you.

[00:54:07] I'm completely with you.

[00:54:08] Yep.

[00:54:08] Except Ron.

[00:54:09] Ron looked great.

[00:54:10] Ron with his little ear belly.

[00:54:13] Oh that's true.

[00:54:14] I actually was not as offended as you are.

[00:54:16] And Harry too.

[00:54:16] They all look great to me.

[00:54:17] I don't know.

[00:54:18] I just didn't.

[00:54:18] They didn't.

[00:54:19] I think Harry acted.

[00:54:21] Whatever.

[00:54:21] That doesn't matter.

[00:54:23] It was.

[00:54:24] Their names were just so ridiculous.

[00:54:26] Yeah.

[00:54:26] The names.

[00:54:27] Albus Severus.

[00:54:28] I know.

[00:54:28] A little rough.

[00:54:31] Poor kid.

[00:54:32] I feel like she just gave up.

[00:54:33] She's like whatever.

[00:54:36] Over naming characters.

[00:54:38] Yeah.

[00:54:39] She did a really great job.

[00:54:40] I know.

[00:54:40] She's like.

[00:54:41] By the end.

[00:54:42] Just done.

[00:54:42] Yeah.

[00:54:44] Let me throw two important character names in there.

[00:54:47] For Harry.

[00:54:48] Yeah.

[00:54:48] That's a funny one.

[00:54:49] There's lots of controversy over Harry naming his characters.

[00:54:52] Or Harry naming his kids.

[00:54:54] And what people think they should have named.

[00:54:56] What do they think you should have named them?

[00:54:58] Like Sirius would have been a better option.

[00:55:07] You gotta get a say at all.

[00:55:08] So you're like.

[00:55:11] He's just sitting there.

[00:55:12] I'm gonna name my kid Albus Severus.

[00:55:13] That would have been good.

[00:55:14] Because then it was after her brother too.

[00:55:15] If they did Fred.

[00:55:16] I was like.

[00:55:16] At least his middle name or something.

[00:55:17] Yeah.

[00:55:18] That would have been nice.

[00:55:20] Oh yeah.

[00:55:22] That was weird.

[00:55:24] Hmm.

[00:55:25] And what was the other one?

[00:55:27] Serious.

[00:55:28] It was James.

[00:55:29] What are the actual.

[00:55:30] Oh the actual ones.

[00:55:31] I wonder.

[00:55:32] I forgot.

[00:55:33] No.

[00:55:35] I remember Albus Severus.

[00:55:37] And then Lily.

[00:55:39] Right?

[00:55:40] Lily Rose.

[00:55:41] Yeah.

[00:55:41] Rose.

[00:55:42] What's the rose after?

[00:55:43] And two flowers.

[00:55:45] James.

[00:55:46] Oh yeah.

[00:55:46] It's James Serious Potter.

[00:55:48] So there you go.

[00:55:48] So the first one is Serious.

[00:55:49] Oh okay.

[00:55:49] Nice.

[00:55:50] And then Lily.

[00:55:52] Oh no.

[00:55:52] Lily Luna Potter.

[00:55:54] Oh.

[00:55:55] Lily Luna.

[00:55:55] Lily.

[00:55:55] Rose is Ron and Hermione's kid.

[00:55:58] Okay.

[00:55:59] Yeah.

[00:55:59] Okay.

[00:56:00] Lily Luna.

[00:56:01] Oh no.

[00:56:01] Luna got a.

[00:56:02] Wow.

[00:56:03] I know.

[00:56:05] It's.

[00:56:05] And then.

[00:56:05] Did she die?

[00:56:06] Hugo Weasley.

[00:56:08] And Rose Weasley.

[00:56:10] Wait.

[00:56:10] Those are just random names I feel like right?

[00:56:12] Hugo right?

[00:56:13] There's a meaning behind that.

[00:56:14] Hugo.

[00:56:14] There was a meaning behind it.

[00:56:16] Hugo.

[00:56:16] I was like who is Hugo though?

[00:56:17] Maybe it's a relative of JK.

[00:56:20] Maybe.

[00:56:21] Oh okay.

[00:56:21] Yeah.

[00:56:21] Because the names and naming all of them in such a whirlwind.

[00:56:25] I feel like none of the names matter that much.

[00:56:28] But then.

[00:56:29] Names matter Danny.

[00:56:31] Don't you know this?

[00:56:32] Yeah I guess.

[00:56:32] But it feels funny in like.

[00:56:34] To introduce characters like that.

[00:56:36] They do.

[00:56:37] They don't.

[00:56:37] Again it feels like setting up for another trilogy.

[00:56:39] Yeah right.

[00:56:39] Like why.

[00:56:40] Why give them such specific names.

[00:56:44] A character or two maybe.

[00:56:46] But to be listing off like six, seven, eight kids names.

[00:56:49] I feel like just like a middle name.

[00:56:51] And then the main name could be whatever.

[00:56:52] The middle name can be after someone.

[00:56:53] I like that.

[00:56:58] Yeah.

[00:56:59] Yeah.

[00:56:59] But I do think the movies did it well.

[00:57:00] They wanted us to talk about it.

[00:57:01] Yeah.

[00:57:02] Fair.

[00:57:04] Do you guys want.

[00:57:06] Now that you're kind of completely done with the series.

[00:57:08] Do you want one small little tidbit from what the play is about?

[00:57:12] Yeah.

[00:57:12] Or do you want to go into the play blind?

[00:57:13] Let's hear it.

[00:57:15] I'm ready.

[00:57:15] Ask Danny because he's in my ears.

[00:57:17] Yeah.

[00:57:18] I'm ready.

[00:57:18] So.

[00:57:19] I don't know a ton about the play.

[00:57:21] I really know two main things about the play.

[00:57:23] Wait so you haven't seen it?

[00:57:25] No.

[00:57:26] Oh wow.

[00:57:26] So I haven't seen the play either.

[00:57:28] Wow.

[00:57:28] Okay.

[00:57:28] Some of my friends have seen it and they say like the practical effects are incredible.

[00:57:31] They love it so much but they have problems with the stories.

[00:57:34] Most people have problems with the stories.

[00:57:35] But the one.

[00:57:36] The one.

[00:57:38] Like this is like a more common one.

[00:57:41] The.

[00:57:42] In the end in 19 years later.

[00:57:45] Harry's kid is afraid that he's going to be sorted into Slytherin.

[00:57:47] And then.

[00:57:50] Harry's like oh you know don't worry.

[00:57:52] Like you'll.

[00:57:53] It'll take your choice into account.

[00:57:56] Play Harry's kid is sorted into Slytherin.

[00:57:59] And.

[00:57:59] He resents his dad.

[00:58:01] Ends up hating his dad.

[00:58:03] Because his dad is like.

[00:58:04] Oh my.

[00:58:04] This.

[00:58:05] Everyone knows his dad and everyone loves his dad.

[00:58:08] Oh.

[00:58:09] Like.

[00:58:09] That's wrong.

[00:58:10] Harry gave the invisibility cloak to.

[00:58:12] Cursed child.

[00:58:13] His oldest child.

[00:58:14] And like he feels like the neglected one.

[00:58:15] And Albus Severus feels like the neglected child.

[00:58:18] So.

[00:58:18] That's part of it.

[00:58:19] Another part of it.

[00:58:20] Which is wild.

[00:58:22] Is that.

[00:58:23] Dumbledore has a child.

[00:58:24] Or no.

[00:58:25] Not Dumbledore.

[00:58:26] Voldemort has a child with Bellatrix Lestrange.

[00:58:29] Oh.

[00:58:30] Shoot.

[00:58:30] We called that.

[00:58:30] We should have seen that coming though.

[00:58:31] That's not that shocking.

[00:58:33] What the.

[00:58:33] Hold that a little bit.

[00:58:33] Yeah.

[00:58:35] We knew that.

[00:58:35] There was a little bit of energy going on between them.

[00:58:37] They have a child.

[00:58:37] Yeah.

[00:58:37] The energy was there.

[00:58:38] Yeah.

[00:58:39] Yeah.

[00:58:39] Yeah.

[00:58:39] Yeah.

[00:58:39] But when was the pregnancy?

[00:58:41] Or can you do magical C-sections?

[00:58:43] Great questions.

[00:58:44] What the.

[00:58:44] What does this child look like?

[00:58:47] Yeah.

[00:58:47] Yeah.

[00:58:47] But she could have had it way back when.

[00:58:50] Yeah.

[00:58:50] Oh yeah.

[00:58:50] We don't know the age of the child.

[00:58:52] But.

[00:58:52] We'll find out.

[00:58:53] Yeah.

[00:58:54] It does feel funny.

[00:58:55] That poor child.

[00:58:56] I know.

[00:58:56] Yeah.

[00:58:57] Yeah.

[00:58:58] So.

[00:58:58] Part of it is about that too.

[00:59:00] That is.

[00:59:00] Yeah.

[00:59:00] But then that.

[00:59:01] Does that.

[00:59:01] Oh.

[00:59:01] Because it's just like.

[00:59:02] Let's recreate another evil.

[00:59:05] Is it part of the same play or it's two separate?

[00:59:07] No.

[00:59:07] It's the same.

[00:59:08] Okay.

[00:59:08] Yeah.

[00:59:11] Does that kid live on forever?

[00:59:15] Oh gosh.

[00:59:16] No.

[00:59:17] It also is kind of a horcrux for his father.

[00:59:19] Yeah.

[00:59:21] I know.

[00:59:22] That's why I'm like.

[00:59:22] What the.

[00:59:23] I like.

[00:59:24] Oh yeah.

[00:59:25] We'll figure it out when we go see the play.

[00:59:27] Wow.

[00:59:28] I know.

[00:59:28] I have my theories.

[00:59:29] I know.

[00:59:30] I feel like any of those things if explained correctly could work.

[00:59:34] But hearing them just like.

[00:59:36] Yeah.

[00:59:36] Right.

[00:59:36] Blatantly.

[00:59:37] Yeah.

[00:59:37] Feels intense.

[00:59:39] Yeah.

[00:59:40] But maybe it's a little out of context.

[00:59:41] I'll wait till the play explains it and see if it feels a little better.

[00:59:46] But.

[00:59:47] Oh yeah.

[00:59:47] It's interesting.

[00:59:48] Yeah.

[00:59:49] Very interesting.

[00:59:51] So who.

[00:59:52] Who won the movies as far as like acting?

[00:59:55] What was your favorite.

[00:59:56] Who's your favorite part?

[00:59:58] Snape.

[00:59:58] Yeah.

[00:59:58] I guess it ought to be Snape.

[01:00:00] Yeah.

[01:00:00] Hmm.

[01:00:01] I think I recommend it pretty good.

[01:00:03] Yeah.

[01:00:03] I like Luna too.

[01:00:04] Oh yeah.

[01:00:05] Luna was great.

[01:00:05] Luna was good.

[01:00:06] Luna has that really creepy line that I love in the first.

[01:00:08] In the beginning of it where she goes.

[01:00:10] She's like looking at the little wind chime or whatever.

[01:00:13] And she says muggles think this keeps away evil.

[01:00:17] They're wrong.

[01:00:20] Okay.

[01:00:21] Ooh.

[01:00:22] I love whoever played her did such a good job.

[01:00:25] That's impressive though to act like that.

[01:00:27] I feel like that'd be so tough.

[01:00:28] Agreed.

[01:00:29] Yeah.

[01:00:29] Her actress is Luna essentially.

[01:00:31] She's great.

[01:00:33] I feel like Ron did such a good job through and through.

[01:00:37] He was just always so funny.

[01:00:38] I wish Hagrid got a little more screen time in the final movie.

[01:00:42] Yeah.

[01:00:42] I agree.

[01:00:42] I feel like.

[01:00:43] Oh yeah.

[01:00:44] That's true.

[01:00:44] He was not much of a character towards the end of the movies in general.

[01:00:50] And then in the final movie he was just there for a few minutes.

[01:00:52] But.

[01:00:52] Yeah.

[01:00:52] That's a great point.

[01:00:53] Yeah.

[01:00:53] It's true.

[01:00:54] But I always.

[01:00:55] He was always so comforting and the last movies are not that comforting.

[01:00:58] And he comes in to comfort us a little and carry Harry and that's all right.

[01:01:02] Yeah.

[01:01:02] But I'm trying to think of other standout acting.

[01:01:06] More emotion.

[01:01:07] Everforth was pretty good.

[01:01:08] Everforth was very minimal in it.

[01:01:10] I love Molly Weasley.

[01:01:12] Molly Weasley's fight against Bellachick.

[01:01:13] So it's great.

[01:01:14] She used the same line.

[01:01:15] Yeah.

[01:01:15] She used the same line.

[01:01:16] Yep.

[01:01:16] Which is lovely.

[01:01:17] Which is lovely.

[01:01:20] She got PG-13.

[01:01:22] Yeah.

[01:01:23] I feel like McGonagall.

[01:01:24] She was pretty good.

[01:01:25] Yeah.

[01:01:25] She did get too.

[01:01:26] Oh yeah.

[01:01:26] Yep.

[01:01:27] For sure.

[01:01:28] There's like.

[01:01:28] There's like subtle things in the movies as well that I do love.

[01:01:31] Like there's one part where.

[01:01:32] When McGonagall and Snape are dueling.

[01:01:35] When Snape like disappears.

[01:01:37] And like you know.

[01:01:37] It's supposed to look like a bat.

[01:01:39] He knocks out Amicus and Aleppo.

[01:01:41] I know.

[01:01:42] I saw that.

[01:01:43] Like he's protecting the students.

[01:01:46] Social media.

[01:01:47] Yeah.

[01:01:47] Yeah.

[01:01:47] It's like slow down.

[01:01:49] And you'll.

[01:01:50] And he does.

[01:01:51] Yep.

[01:01:51] And he like takes them both out.

[01:01:52] Which is kind of cool.

[01:01:53] That is kind of cool.

[01:01:54] Yeah.

[01:01:54] That is cool.

[01:01:55] So they put like cool little hints in the movies that you kind of like realize.

[01:02:00] And you kind of like.

[01:02:00] But.

[01:02:01] I think Snape kind of won it for me.

[01:02:03] I think Snape did really good.

[01:02:03] Alan Rickman.

[01:02:04] Yeah.

[01:02:05] Yeah.

[01:02:05] He did.

[01:02:06] Did you guys have a favorite part of this movie?

[01:02:10] I think they did a good job with the Gringotts scene.

[01:02:13] Yeah.

[01:02:13] Honestly.

[01:02:14] That whole thing was pretty good.

[01:02:16] Yeah.

[01:02:17] That stands out.

[01:02:18] And then.

[01:02:18] Just a lot of the fighting.

[01:02:22] On those.

[01:02:23] On the steps.

[01:02:25] I like that you got inside scoops into like.

[01:02:28] Ron and Hermione going down.

[01:02:30] And like getting the other.

[01:02:31] Yeah.

[01:02:32] Yeah.

[01:02:32] All those things.

[01:02:33] Like that was kind of fun.

[01:02:34] Yeah.

[01:02:35] Extra little bits.

[01:02:35] I like that.

[01:02:36] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:38] And they like kissed and all the waves like crashed over them.

[01:02:41] That was great.

[01:02:43] Yeah.

[01:02:51] Mrs. Weasley.

[01:02:52] You already said that one.

[01:02:53] In Bellatrix fight.

[01:02:54] Yeah.

[01:02:55] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:56] I'm going.

[01:02:56] I'm going Mrs. Weasley as my hot tamale.

[01:02:58] Nice.

[01:02:58] It's a great moment too.

[01:03:00] I'm going for her as my hot tamale.

[01:03:02] Yeah.

[01:03:04] Yeah.

[01:03:04] That is a great moment for that.

[01:03:08] I still am going back and forth about the Malfoys moments of like in the movie I was curious

[01:03:16] how they were going to portray things.

[01:03:18] How the Malfoys were going to look.

[01:03:20] Is Draco going to stay on the good side in the battle?

[01:03:23] Stuff like that.

[01:03:25] So those moments kind of stood out to me.

[01:03:30] Yeah.

[01:03:30] Mrs. Malfoy whispering to Harry and saying.

[01:03:34] He was dead.

[01:03:37] Trying to think of other good moments.

[01:03:39] I feel like those are all the ones that stood out the most.

[01:03:42] Mm-hmm.

[01:03:47] It was all a blur.

[01:03:48] It was all a blur.

[01:03:49] I know.

[01:03:53] Who's your guys hot tamale?

[01:03:55] Yeah.

[01:03:55] Like Mrs. Weasley.

[01:03:57] That's great.

[01:03:57] I feel like Molly tamale.

[01:03:58] She gets it.

[01:04:01] It works.

[01:04:03] Mama.

[01:04:05] Thanks.

[01:04:10] It would have been Ginny.

[01:04:13] But in the movie she's just not doing it.

[01:04:17] Yeah.

[01:04:19] I hope they portray her better.

[01:04:21] I know.

[01:04:22] That is going to be the fun part of the series that like you hope they portray the characters

[01:04:25] better than how they do in the movies.

[01:04:27] So I'm excited for that part.

[01:04:28] Especially Dumbledore too.

[01:04:29] Yeah.

[01:04:29] Agreed.

[01:04:31] Oh man.

[01:04:33] We'll see.

[01:04:34] Anyway.

[01:04:35] Thanks for joining us on our journey of Harry Potter and the First Time Readers.

[01:04:39] Bye.

[01:04:40] Bye.

[01:04:41] Bye.

[01:04:41] Bye.

[01:04:41] Bye.