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Chapter 5 - Fallen Warrior

Q1 - How convinced were you that this was Hagrid?

No sooner had Mrs. Weasley bent over her son than Lupin grabbed Harry by the upper arm and dragged him, none too gently, back into the kitchen, where Hagrid was still attempting to ease his bulk through the back door. “Oi!” said Hagrid indignantly. “Le’ go of him! Le’ go of Harry!” Lupin ignored him. “What creature sat in the corner the first time that Harry Potter visited my office at Hogwarts?” he said, giving Harry a small shake. “Answer me!” “A — a grindylow in a tank, wasn’t it?” Lupin released Harry and fell back against a kitchen cupboard. “Wha’ was tha’ about?” roared Hagrid. “I’m sorry, Harry, but I had to check,” said Lupin tersely. “We’ve been betrayed. Voldemort knew that you were being moved tonight and the only people who could have told him were directly involved in the plan. You might have been an impostor.”

Q1 - Who was the betrayer?

“So you think I should have killed Stan Shunpike?” said Harry angrily. “Of course not,” said Lupin, “but the Death Eaters — frankly, most people! — would have expected you to attack back! Expelliarmus is a useful spell, Harry, but the Death Eaters seem to think it is your signature move, and I urge you not to let it become so!”

Q2 - Why is Harry so defensive of Stan?

“The last words Albus Dumbledore spoke to the pair of us?” “ ‘Harry is the best hope we have. Trust him,’ ” said Lupin calmly.

Q3 - What does Dumbledore mean by this?

Perhaps roused by the sound of Fred and their father’s arrival, George stirred. “How do you feel, Georgie?” whispered Mrs. Weasley. George’s fingers groped for the side of his head. “Saintlike,” he murmured. “What’s wrong with him?” croaked Fred, looking terrified. “Is his mind affected?” “Saintlike,” repeated George, opening his eyes and looking up at his brother. “You see . . . I’m holy. Holey, Fred, geddit?”
“Ron was great,” said Tonks warmly, relinquishing her hold on Lupin. “Wonderful. Stunned one of the Death Eaters, straight to the head, and when you’re aiming at a moving target from a flying broom —” “You did?” said Hermione, gazing up at Ron with her arms still around his neck. “Always the tone of surprise,” he said a little grumpily, breaking free. “Are we the last back?”

Q4 - Did Ron kill someone?

Lupin nodded. With a wave to the others, Kingsley walked away into the darkness toward the gate. Harry thought he heard the faintest pop as Kingsley Disapparated just beyond the Burrow’s boundaries.

Q5 - Confirmation Kingsley’s got a small butt?

Mrs. Weasley ran forward, but the hug Bill bestowed upon her was perfunctory. Looking directly at his father, he said, “Mad-Eye’s dead.”

Q6 - What are your thoughts on Mad-Eye’s death?

She glared around at them all, tear tracks still etched on her beautiful face, silently daring any of them to contradict her. Nobody did. The only sound to break the silence was that of Hagrid hiccuping from behind his handkerchief. Harry glanced at Hagrid, who had just risked his own life to save Harry’s — Hagrid, whom he loved, whom he trusted, who had once been tricked into giving Voldemort crucial information in exchange for a dragon’s egg. . . . “No,” Harry said aloud, and they all looked at him, surprised: The firewhisky seemed to have amplified his voice. “I mean . . . if somebody made a mistake,” Harry went on, “and let something slip, I know they didn’t mean to do it. It’s not their fault,” he repeated, again a little louder than he would usually have spoken. “We’ve got to trust each other. I trust all of you, I don’t think anyone in this room would ever sell me to Voldemort.”

Q7 - Is Harry foolish to be saying this?

The rest of them now dropped into chairs, all except for Harry, who remained standing. The suddenness and completeness of death was with them like a presence. “I’ve got to go too,” said Harry. Ten pairs of startled eyes looked at him. “Don’t be silly, Harry,” said Mrs. Weasley. “What are you talking about?”

Q8 - Is Harry and idiot?

“No,” said Harry. “The bike was falling, I couldn’t have told you where Voldemort was, but my wand spun in my hand and found him and shot a spell at him, and it wasn’t even a spell I recognized. I’ve never made gold flames appear before.”

Q9 - What spell did Harry perform?

And then, out of nowhere, the pain in his scar peaked. As he clutched his forehead and closed his eyes, a voice screamed inside his head. “You told me the problem would be solved by using another’s wand!” And into his mind burst the vision of an emaciated old man lying in rags upon a stone floor, screaming, a horrible, drawn-out scream, a scream of unendurable agony. . . . “No! No! I beg you, I beg you. . . .” “You lied to Lord Voldemort, Ollivander!” “I did not. . . . I swear I did not. . . .” “You sought to help Potter, to help him escape me!” “I swear I did not. . . . I believed a different wand would work. . . .” “Explain, then, what happened. Lucius’s wand is destroyed!” “I cannot understand. . . . The connection . . . exists only . . . between your two wands. . . .” “Lies!” “Please . . . I beg you. . . .” And Harry saw the white hand raise its wand and felt Voldemort’s surge of vicious anger, saw the frail old man on the floor writhe in agony — “Harry?” It was over as quickly as it had come:

Q10 - What is going on here? Is Olivander lying?

“But it was supposed to have stopped! Your scar — it wasn’t supposed to do this anymore! You mustn’t let that connection open up again — Dumbledore wanted you to close your mind!” When he did not reply, she gripped his arm. “Harry, he’s taking over the Ministry and the newspapers and half the Wizarding world! Don’t let him inside your head too!”

Q11 - Did Voldemort want Harry to see this?

Chapter 6 - The Ghoul in Pajamas

“Well, you can’t do anything about the” — Ron mouthed the word Horcruxes — “till you’re seventeen. You’ve still got the Trace on you. And we can plan here as well as anywhere, can’t we? Or,” he dropped his voice to a whisper, “d’you reckon you already know where the You-Know-Whats are?” “No,” Harry admitted.

Q1 - Where are the Horcruxes?

Harry understood “they” to mean Fleur and Mrs. Weasley. “It’s one extra day,” said Ron, when Harry looked mutinous. “Don’t they realize how important — ?” “ ’Course they don’t,” said Ron. “They haven’t got a clue. And now you mention it, I wanted to talk to you about that.”
“Ron and Hermione seem to think that the three of you are dropping out of Hogwarts,” she began in a light, casual tone. “Oh,” said Harry. “Well, yeah. We are.”

Q2 - Do you find it shocking that Mrs Weasley is still sending Ginny to Hogwarts?

“Now, Ron, have you cleaned out your room yet?” “Why?” exclaimed Ron, slamming his spoon down and glaring at his mother. “Why does my room have to be cleaned out? Harry and I are fine with it the way it is!” “We are holding your brother’s wedding here in a few days’ time, young man —” “And are they getting married in my bedroom?” asked Ron furiously. “No! So why in the name of Merlin’s saggy left —” “Don’t talk to your mother like that,” said Mr. Weasley firmly. “And do as you’re told.”
“We were just talking about Mad-Eye,” Ron told Harry. “I reckon he might have survived.” “But Bill saw him hit by the Killing Curse,” said Harry. “Yeah, but Bill was under attack too,” said Ron. “How can he be sure what he saw?” “Even if the Killing Curse missed, Mad-Eye still fell about a thousand feet,” said Hermione, now weighing Quidditch Teams of Britain and Ireland in her hand. “He could have used a Shield Charm —” “Fleur said his wand was blasted out of his hand,” said Harry. “Well, all right, if you want him to be dead,” said Ron grumpily, punching his pillow into a more comfortable shape.

Q3 - Do you think Ron could be right?

“What are you doing with all those books anyway?” Ron asked, limping back to his bed. “Just trying to decide which ones to take with us,” said Hermione. “When we’re looking for the Horcruxes.” “Oh, of course,” said Ron, clapping a hand to his forehead. “I forgot we’ll be hunting down Voldemort in a mobile library.” “Ha ha,” said Hermione, looking down at Spellman’s Syllabary. “I wonder . . . will we need to translate runes? It’s possible. . . . I think we’d better take it, to be safe.”

Q4 - If you were hunting Voldemort, what 5 items would you bring?

“Listen,” said Harry. He had sat up straight. Ron and Hermione looked at him with similar mixtures of resignation and defiance. “I know you said after Dumbledore’s funeral that you wanted to come with me,” Harry began. “Here he goes,” Ron said to Hermione, rolling his eyes. “As we knew he would,” she sighed, turning back to the books. “You know, I think I will take Hogwarts, A History. Even if we’re not going back there, I don’t think I’d feel right if I didn’t have it with —” “Listen!” said Harry again. “No, Harry, you listen,” said Hermione. “We’re coming with you. That was decided months ago — years, really.” “But —” “Shut up,” Ron advised him.
“I’ve also modified my parents’ memories so that they’re convinced they’re really called Wendell and Monica Wilkins, and that their life’s ambition is to move to Australia, which they have now done. That’s to make it more difficult for Voldemort to track them down and interrogate them about me — or you, because unfortunately, I’ve told them quite a bit about you. “Assuming I survive our hunt for the Horcruxes, I’ll find Mum and Dad and lift the enchantment. If I don’t — well, I think I’ve cast a good enough charm to keep them safe and happy. Wendell and Monica Wilkins don’t know that they’ve got a daughter, you see.

Q5 - Will Hermione’s plan work?

There was silence in the room, broken only by gentle thuds as Hermione continued to throw books onto one pile or the other. Ron sat watching her, and Harry looked from one to the other, unable to say anything. The measures they had taken to protect their families made him realize, more than anything else could have done, that they really were going to come with him and that they knew exactly how dangerous that would be. He wanted to tell them what that meant to him, but he simply could not find words important enough.
Harry, who did not believe that Hermione really understood his desire to return to Godric’s Hollow. His parents’ graves were only part of the attraction: He had a strong, though inexplicable, feeling that the place held answers for him. Perhaps it was simply because it was there that he had survived Voldemort’s Killing Curse; now that he was facing the challenge of repeating the feat, Harry was drawn to the place where it had happened, wanting to understand.

Q6 - What answers will Godric’s Hollow have?

“And the more I’ve read about them,” said Hermione, “the more horrible they seem, and the less I can believe that he actually made six. It warns in this book how unstable you make the rest of your soul by ripping it, and that’s just by making one Horcrux!” Harry remembered what Dumbledore had said about Voldemort moving beyond “usual evil.” “Isn’t there any way of putting yourself back together?” Ron asked. “Yes,” said Hermione with a hollow smile, “but it would be excruciatingly painful.” “Why? How do you do it?” asked Harry. “Remorse,” said Hermione. “You’ve got to really feel what you’ve done. There’s a footnote. Apparently the pain of it can destroy you. I can’t see Voldemort attempting it somehow, can you?”

Q7 - Do you think he’d ever experience remorse for what he’s done?

“It has to be something so destructive that the Horcrux can’t repair itself. Basilisk venom only has one antidote, and it’s incredibly rare —”

Q8 - What else do you think can kill a Horcrux?

“Hang on,” said Ron, frowning. “The bit of soul in that diary was possessing Ginny, wasn’t it? How does that work, then?” “While the magical container is still intact, the bit of soul inside it can flit in and out of someone if they get too close to the object. I don’t mean holding it for too long, it’s nothing to do with touching it,” she added before Ron could speak. “I mean close emotionally. Ginny poured her heart out into that diary, she made herself incredibly vulnerable. You’re in trouble if you get too fond of or dependent on the Horcrux.” “I wonder how Dumbledore destroyed the ring?” said Harry. “Why didn’t I ask him? I never really . . .”

Q9 - Will any of them become possessed by Voldemort’s soul?

Q10 - How did Dumbledore kill the Horcrux?

Chapter 7 - The Will of Albus Dumbledore

He was walking along a mountain road in the cool blue light of dawn. Far below, swathed in mist, was the shadow of a small town. Was the man he sought down there, the man he needed so badly he could think of little else, the man who held the answer, the answer to his problem . . . ?

Q1 - What is going on?

Q2 - Who’s Gregorovitch?

Harry seized the wand lying beside his camp bed, pointed it at the cluttered desk where he had left his glasses, and said, “Accio Glasses!” Although they were only around a foot away, there was something immensely satisfying about seeing them zoom toward him, at least until they poked him in the eye.

Q3 - What was your most memorable “18” or “21” story?

“This isn’t your average book,” said Ron. “It’s pure gold: Twelve Fail-Safe Ways to Charm Witches. Explains everything you need to know about girls. If only I’d had this last year I’d have known exactly how to get rid of Lavender and I would’ve known how to get going with . . . Well, Fred and George gave me a copy, and I’ve learned a lot. You’d be surprised, it’s not all about wandwork, either.”
Harry sat down, took the square parcel she had indicated, and unwrapped it. Inside was a watch very like the one Mr. and Mrs. Weasley had given Ron for his seventeenth; it was gold, with stars circling around the face instead of hands. “It’s traditional to give a wizard a watch when he comes of age,” said Mrs. Weasley, watching him anxiously from beside the cooker. “I’m afraid that one isn’t new like Ron’s, it was actually my brother Fabian’s and he wasn’t terribly careful with his possessions, it’s a bit dented on the back, but —” The rest of her speech was lost; Harry had got up and hugged her. He tried to put a lot of unsaid things into the hug and perhaps she understood them, because she patted his cheek clumsily when he released her, then waved her wand in a slightly random way, causing half a pack of bacon to flop out of the frying pan onto the floor.

Q4 - Do you remember who Fabian Pruitt is?

“The Prewetts, Gideon and Fabian. It took five Death eaters to bring them down, they fought like heroes.” (GOBLET OF FIRE)
Although Lupin smiled as he shook Harry’s hand, Harry thought he looked rather unhappy. It was all very odd; Tonks, beside him, looked simply radiant.

Q5 - What’s going on between them?

“The Minister — but why — ? I don’t understand —” But there was no time to discuss the matter; a second later, Mr. Weasley had appeared out of thin air at the gate, accompanied by Rufus Scrimgeour, instantly recognizable by his mane of grizzled hair.

Q6 - What do you think of the Minister for Magic?

“That law was created to stop wizards passing on Dark artifacts,” said Hermione, “and the Ministry is supposed to have powerful evidence that the deceased’s possessions are illegal before seizing them! Are you telling me that you thought Dumbledore was trying to pass us something cursed?” “Are you planning to follow a career in Magical Law, Miss Granger?” asked Scrimgeour.

Q7 - Do you think Ministry members think Dumbledore was evil?

However, Scrimgeour did not seem to be listening. He put his hand inside his cloak and drew out a drawstring pouch much larger than the one Hagrid had given Harry. From it, he removed a scroll of parchment which he unrolled and read aloud. “ ‘The Last Will and Testament of Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore’ . . . Yes, here we are. . . . ‘To Ronald Bilius Weasley, I leave my Deluminator, in the hope that he will remember me when he uses it.’ ” Scrimgeour took from the bag an object that Harry had seen before: It looked something like a silver cigarette lighter, but it had, he knew, the power to suck all light from a place, and restore it, with a simple click. Scrimgeour leaned forward and passed the Deluminator to Ron, who took it and turned it over in his fingers, looking stunned. “That is a valuable object,” said Scrimgeour, watching Ron. “It may even be unique. Certainly it is of Dumbledore’s own design. Why would he have left you an item so rare?”

Q8 - Why did he leave this to Ron?

“ ‘To Miss Hermione Jean Granger, I leave my copy of The Tales of Beedle the Bard, in the hope that she will find it entertaining and instructive.’ ” Scrimgeour now pulled out of the bag a small book that looked as ancient as the copy of Secrets of the Darkest Art upstairs. Its binding was stained and peeling in places. Hermione took it from Scrimgeour without a word. She held the book in her lap and gazed at it. Harry saw that the title was in runes; he had never learned to read them. As he looked, a tear splashed onto the embossed symbols. “Why do you think Dumbledore left you that book, Miss Granger?” asked Scrimgeour.

Q9 - Why did he leave this to Hermione?

“ ‘To Harry James Potter,’ ” he read, and Harry’s insides contracted with a sudden excitement, “ ‘I leave the Snitch he caught in his first Quidditch match at Hogwarts, as a reminder of the rewards of perseverance and skill.’ ” As Scrimgeour pulled out the tiny, walnut-sized golden ball, its silver wings fluttered rather feebly, and Harry could not help feeling a definite sense of anticlimax. “Why did Dumbledore leave you this Snitch?” asked Scrimgeour.

Q10 - Why did he leave this to Harry?

“Dumbledore left you a second bequest, Potter.” “What is it?” asked Harry, excitement rekindling. Scrimgeour did not bother to read from the will this time. “The sword of Godric Gryffindor,” he said.

Q11 - Why did he leave this to Harry?

“It — it was nothing,” he growled. “I . . . regret your attitude,” he said, looking Harry full in the face once more. “You seem to think that the Ministry does not desire what you — what Dumbledore — desired. We ought to be working together.”
He nearly dropped the Snitch in surprise and excitement. Hermione was quite right. Engraved upon the smooth golden surface, where seconds before there had been nothing, were five words written in the thin, slanting handwriting that Harry recognized as Dumbledore’s: I open at the close.

Q12 - What does this mean?

“Ron, you know full well Harry and I were brought up by Muggles!” said Hermione. “We didn’t hear stories like that when we were little, we heard ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’ and ‘Cinderella’ —” “What’s that, an illness?” asked Ron.

Chapter 8 - The Wedding

Harry had taken a large dose of Polyjuice Potion and was now the double of a redheaded Muggle boy from the local village, Ottery St. Catchpole, from whom Fred had stolen hairs using a Summoning Charm.

Q1 - How do you feel about this identity theft?

“When I get married,” said Fred, tugging at the collar of his own robes, “I won’t be bothering with any of this nonsense. You can all wear what you like, and I’ll put a full Body-Bind Curse on Mum until it’s all over.”

Q2 - Who do you think Fred and George are going to marry?

An odd symbol, rather like a triangular eye, glistened from a golden chain around his neck.
“Sign?” said Harry, looking over at Xenophilius too. The strange triangular eye was gleaming on his chest. “Why? What’s wrong with it?” “Grindelvald. That is Grindelvald’s sign.” “Grindelwald . . . the Dark wizard Dumbledore defeated?” “Exactly.” Krum’s jaw muscles worked as if he were chewing, then he said, “Grindelvald killed many people, my grandfather, for instance. Of course, he vos never poverful in this country, they said he feared Dumbledore — and rightly, seeing how he vos finished. But this” — he pointed a finger at Xenophilius — “this is his symbol, I recognized it at vunce: Grindelvald carved it into a vall at Durmstrang ven he vos a pupil there. Some idiots copied it onto their books and clothes, thinking to shock, make themselves impressive — until those of us who had lost family members to Grindelvald taught them better.” Krum cracked his knuckles menacingly and glowered at Xenophilius. Harry felt perplexed. It seemed incredibly unlikely that Luna’s father was a supporter of the Dark Arts, and nobody else in the tent seemed to have recognized the triangular, runelike shape.

Q3 - Victor nearly fights him because of this symbol…what is it?

“Hello, Harry!” she said. “Er — my name’s Barny,” said Harry, flummoxed. “Oh, have you changed that too?” she asked brightly. “How did you know — ?” “Oh, just your expression,” she said.
“Hmm. Made an excuse, did he? Not as gormless as he looks in press photographs, then. I’ve just been instructing the bride on how best to wear my tiara,” she shouted at Harry. “Goblin-made, you know, and been in my family for centuries. She’s a good-looking girl, but still — French. Well, well, find me a good seat, Ronald, I am a hundred and seven and I ought not to be on my feet too long.”

Q4 - Is this tiara anything special?

Harry did not answer. He pretended to watch the dancers, like Krum, but he was thinking hard. So Voldemort was looking for a celebrated wandmaker, and Harry did not have to search far for a reason: It was surely because of what Harry’s wand had done on the night that Voldemort had pursued him across the skies. The holly and phoenix feather wand had conquered the borrowed wand, something that Ollivander had not anticipated or understood. Would Gregorovitch know better? Was he truly more skilled than Ollivander, did he know secrets of wands that Ollivander did not?

Q5 - Does Gregorivitch know secrets of wandlore that Olivander doesn’t?

“Well, in that interview,” Harry went on, “Rita Skeeter hinted that Professor Dumbledore was involved in the Dark Arts when he was young.” “Don’t believe a word of it!” said Doge at once. “Not a word, Harry! Let nothing tarnish your memories of Albus Dumbledore!”

Q6 - What’s the truth here?

“Why did nobody ever see her, Elphias?” squawked Muriel. “Why did half of us never even know she existed, until they carried the coffin out of the house and held a funeral for her? Where was saintly Albus while Ariana was locked in the cellar? Off being brilliant at Hogwarts, and never mind what was going on in his own house!” “What d’you mean, locked in the cellar?” asked Harry. “What is this?” Doge looked wretched. Auntie Muriel cackled again and answered Harry.
Doge looked to be on the verge of tears. Auntie Muriel, who seemed to be enjoying herself hugely, snapped her fingers for more champagne. Numbly Harry thought of how the Dursleys had once shut him up, locked him away, kept him out of sight, all for the crime of being a wizard. Had Dumbledore’s sister suffered the same fate in reverse: imprisoned for her lack of magic? And had Dumbledore truly left her to her fate while he went off to Hogwarts, to prove himself brilliant and talented?

Q7 - Could this be true?

“And I’ll tell you something else,” Muriel said, hiccuping slightly as she lowered her goblet. “I think Bathilda has spilled the beans to Rita Skeeter. All those hints in Skeeter’s interview about an important source close to the Dumbledores — goodness knows she was there all through the Ariana business, and it would fit!”

Q8 - Is Bathilda Bagshot the source?

“Bathilda Bagshot lives in Godric’s Hollow?” “Oh yes, she’s been there forever! The Dumbledores moved there after Percival was imprisoned, and she was their neighbor.” “The Dumbledores lived in Godric’s Hollow?” “Yes, Barry, that’s what I just said,” said Auntie Muriel testily. Harry felt drained, empty. Never once, in six years, had Dumbledore told Harry that they had both lived and lost loved ones in Godric’s Hollow. Why? Were Lily and James buried close to Dumbledore’s mother and sister? Had Dumbledore visited their graves, perhaps walked past Lily’s and James’s to do so? And he had never once told Harry . . . never bothered to say . . .

Q9 - Is Dumbledore a good person?

Harry did not know where to begin, but it did not matter. At that moment, something large and silver came falling through the canopy over the dance floor. Graceful and gleaming, the lynx landed lightly in the middle of the astonished dancers. Heads turned, as those nearest it froze absurdly in mid-dance. Then the Patronus’s mouth opened wide and it spoke in the loud, deep, slow voice of Kingsley Shacklebolt. “The Ministry has fallen. Scrimgeour is dead. They are coming.”

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[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I was totally forgot that that happened, I guess.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But like, Mad-Eye is one of my favorite characters.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So we've already had my main favorite character die.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Barty Crouch Jr. is your favorite character because he was really Mad-Eye.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like the exact same, come on.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They're the same person, yeah.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So two of my favorite characters have already died.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh huh.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this is not gonna go well.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Like this is not setting up for success with who I like.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Who are your other favorite characters?

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I like Tonks.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I like Ginny.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Ginny better not die.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Harry, I really like.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Those are some of my favorites.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: They're all gonna die.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Hagrid.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: If, like Hagrid's not my favorite cause he's not like the most complex character, but just

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: on a personal level, I really like Hagrid.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Hagrid, he's very sweet.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He should not die.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I love him cause of his non-complexity.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just, he's what he is, you know?

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You can just trust him.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think I thought that Hagrid was gonna die.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think I had a memory that like Hagrid fell off his room and that was that.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But, I mean, he did, but he didn't die.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But, now Mad-Eye's gone.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter four definitely leads you to believe that Hagrid's the one that's.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: For sure.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, who was their betrayer?

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Who was the person, they all come in arguing with each other over the person that betrayed

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: them.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Who was it?

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Mundungus?

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, he just fled the scene.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that necessarily makes him untrustworthy.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But I can't think of anybody else who would have known.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause they even said it has to be somebody who was like in our group when we're having

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: the conversation.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So, I don't even know if I believe that.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think somebody could have been listening in or like there's some type of magic thing

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: that, I don't know, you can, maybe somebody will legilimens seed somebody.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Or occlumens seed, cause I still can't keep those straight.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you were right at the first time.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, legilimens seed.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like everyone in the order is trustworthy right now.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why it's hard to like pick apart someone who you wouldn't trust.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause you kind of trust everyone.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But then Mundungus is like the obvious like, oh, he left.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe it is him.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But I really liked when Harry was like starting to doubt everyone and he had the moment of

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: like Hagrid was in the bar.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: He gave it all up for just this little egg.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he like stopped himself.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, no.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Lupin was like, you sound like your dad.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That was so weird to me.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a weird part cause we don't know his dad at all.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't like, I don't know much about Kingsley, but I feel like he's not that person

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: because he sent the Patronus later that said the ministry's fallen.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and he definitely, he's like almost number two right now.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He was number two.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Now he's like number one in the, in the order of the Phoenix.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause yeah.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause he has like a very high position in the muggle world.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I like Kingsley.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He's, he's a pretty legit bloke, but we don't know if we trust him all that much.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_03]: A bloke.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that, I thought that was like Australian.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't realize that was, Oh.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: What I can't use an Australian word here and there.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I just was going to say, I thought it was like European, European English.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Kingsley is really an Australian guy.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Invading Europe or invading England.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That'd be cool.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be kind of cool.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: They picked him up at the Quidditch cup.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Good.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I was on the Australian Quidditch team.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: That was pretty good.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That was decent.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, cause you watched all the bluey, you know?

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Seriously.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been immersed trains my Australian accent.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of George losing an ear?

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It's such like a strange injury.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And they can't fix it.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He just has a gaping hole in his head.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes sense though.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I guess you aim at the face or the chest, like the heart.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're not like aiming for limbs.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're trying to kill them.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yee-haw.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they're aiming a spell at him.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, at his face.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's making sense.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I feel like a human, like you hit the leg or something, you know?

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Time out.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand this logic.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to kill him.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So they're aiming at his head.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm saying that makes sense.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think you said that doesn't make sense.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, doesn't make sense that they wouldn't aim for his legs.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't say that.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Confusion passed over.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: We're good.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're, they're trying to kill him.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And who is the person trying to kill him?

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Snape.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe he did it on purpose and he missed.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He missed.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You hit an ear.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's a miss.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's kind of like, you're trying to aim for the person.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that he did that.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So as a side note, Ron mentions this one wild thing to me that he says.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_03]: He mentioned it to you.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He told me specifically.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Our Tonks says, Ron was great.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Said Tonks warmly.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Relinquishing her hold on Lupin.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Stun one of the Death Eaters straight to the head.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And when you're aiming at a moving target from a flying broom.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You did said Hermione gazing up at Ron with her arms still around his neck.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Always the tone of surprise.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He said a little grumpily breaking free.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Are we the last back?

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: If you stun someone in the head for a high distance on a broomstick, did Ron murder someone?

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, probably.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Although a lot of the times it feels like the Death Eaters are backing each other up.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're like catching each other.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause that happened with Hagrid when he put the wall out.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good point.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And like one guy double back.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I thought that too.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I was like, they realize it's Harry because he's not killing people.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I was so proud.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I realized that before the book told me that.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That was a great pick up.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That was my biggest proudest moment of reading this series.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I was like, well, maybe what if Ron and Hermione are killing people?

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what if they're using unforgivable curses?

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like unspoken that they're like out here killing people.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: They're ruthless.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_03]: For Harry.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And like Harry's not even doing that.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause Hermione brainwashed her whole family so that she's just like non-existent.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Ron is like creating this whole side story of like, oh, I'm sick.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't come to school.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So they're already giving up like so much more than Harry.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause Harry's just like a freestanding guy at this point.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Dang.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, what if they're like killing people out here?

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, it does like chalk it up to that.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there for massive movements like this,

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: there's always one super moral person and the rest are just like doing whatever is necessary to survive.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Harry doesn't seem like the most moral person, but he really is.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like in this book, like he is the person that is, he always wants to save people, always believes the best in people.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He does not make rash decisions.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, well, let's take that back immediately.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Reel that back.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like literally his MO.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Cue the previous six books.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, in regards to other people's safety and wellbeing.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Agreed.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not out here like harming other people.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But he'll endanger himself very rashly and go run around the castle doing whatever.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He will flail his life around.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's got seven, nine lives.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that's part of him just being like alone his whole life.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Agreed.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, he doesn't have, he's not used to other people caring for him anyway.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of like, I do what I want.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Seriously.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a point to also where yes, he, he knows he has a lot to lose, but like all

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the people that he's really, really loved in his life, like deeply loved, like he has loved

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Ron and Hermione.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that is going to like progress into something, you know, it could progress into something

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: deeper.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: All the people he's truly deeply loved and that have been like family to him are dead.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think Harry, there's a part of Harry where he's like, I'm just going in guns a blazing.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what else do I have to lose?

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, didn't he kind of want to like jump behind the veil to get serious too?

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that was like, I want to die, but.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there are passages in this book that I cannot wait to discuss with you because Harry

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: hits some dark places.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, like reading this book through a lens of Harry having somewhat of depression and

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: somewhat of a deep anxiety.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really interesting.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you, uh, you mentioned that you liked that Harry wasn't cursing people, which I think

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: is a really great point in this book.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's great that Harry is not the one that's like, you know, um, harming people,

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: but it says, it also says this, um, when Harry's trying to argue, he says, no, said Harry,

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: the bike was falling.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I could have, uh, I couldn't have told you where Voldemort was, but my wand spun in my

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: hand and found him and shot a spell at him.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't even a spell.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I recognize I've never made gold flames appear before.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: What was that?

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought though, that both wands were like doing this little magnetic dance with each

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: other, but that's not how it is.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like his one acting of its own accord and his hand was moving with it.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: That being said, I have no idea what that is.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm guessing it's like, I kind of have the feeling that the Phoenix is now Harry's Phoenix

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: for some reason.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe there's some bequeathal of the Phoenix.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Bequeathal is a great word.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that word.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: There's so like few chances to use that word too.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, nailed it.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think there has to be something like that.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: There's like a hair in between my toes that really threw me off.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You can take some money off of that.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I thought about it.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I can't have that showing up on the tax returns, you know, shout out to my dad for

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: doing my taxes.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Love that.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: What is this number right here?

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: What is apparently they come in and like discreet paperwork.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But no one needs to be buying my toes.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, what were we talking about?

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Phoenixes.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You said the word bequeathal.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't understand what's happening.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the fee, cause it's like a harmful thing coming out.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the Phoenix is a healing thing to me.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe that's like the love of his mother.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, is it, is there a little bank of like, you have 10 spells that you can pass and then

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: all the love runs out?

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be kind of cool.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think it is?

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's not necessarily hints of what it is, but Voldemort runs off to Ollivander

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and Harry has a vision of that.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And Voldemort is furious at Ollivander cause he thinks Ollivander has lied to him.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: What is that whole conversation about?

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Want me to read you a section of it?

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Refresh your memory.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever you want.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like condescending.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I, I know I wouldn't have remembered it.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you remember the full conversation.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: No, where he's like on the ground, like writhing in pain.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I, well, Voldemort's like torturing Ollivander to get information from him, but

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Ollivander's like genuinely like, I don't know.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I thought the different wand was going to help.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And Voldemort doesn't believe him.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess he thinks Ollivander's on Harry's side, but I guess Ollivander's on Harry's side.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Ollivander told him something about the brother wands.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's Ollivander's thinking is like, Oh, it must be because the wands are brothers.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you can't defeat each other.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Or like every time you try to defeat each other, you're going to get this, like, um,

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that thing where they connected and like the family ghosts started coming out.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's trying to find a way around that.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But like, I feel like that there has to be more than that.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Like more than just the brother wand thing.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause there has to be other sibling wands in the world.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe just cause they're not like the dark Lord and the chosen one that it's like,

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: not important.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the twins should have twin wands.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be kind of sick.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: If twins had twin cores.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_03]: That'd be fun.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Or I think it's like Fox, maybe it's Fox's feather in Harry's wand.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause is it a Phoenix feather wand?

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's probably Fox in there.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe I might be giving a spoiler here, but I don't think I am.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that Dumbledore has already confirmed that Fox was the one that gave the feather for both of their wands.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if that's not true and that comes later than I've spoiled it.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I remember that though.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause he was like the very Phoenix that's here.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like the second book one.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause he sent like the Phoenix can drop a feather as like a warning thing.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember saying, Oh, is that how they get the feathers for the wand?

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Very intuitive.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Lizzie.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Very well, very well done.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else in this chapter before we go on to chapter six?

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me check my notes.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, good.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_03]: For the first time in a long time.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I've taken notes.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually have so many notes.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like even when Bell- or not Bellatrix, Mrs. Tonks walks in.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And Harry's like, ah!

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, what's going on?

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But he just, they just look alike.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the family drama.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of forgot about that.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like she calls that back cause that's gonna-

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause he thought it looked like a Narcissa or Bellatrix?

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Bellatrix.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Man.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Which really put a picture in my mind because I just think of like Mrs. Tonks as such a nice

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: like, nice old lady type of thing.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Just cause I love her.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Like just via loving Tonks, you know?

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And then for her to be like Bellatrix, I was like, whoa, what?

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like Bellatrix.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Um.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this was like an interesting thought I had because Snape goes after George.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: With Sectumsempra.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But remember in the other book where, I don't know which other book it was.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: One of the other ones.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Weasley's like, half our family owes their life to you.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh my goodness.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: If the other half of the, like they're in the train station and Harry, I think was like

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: talking, like leaving Hogwarts.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember where this is?

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They, he's talking to Snape?

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Half our family owes their life to you?

[00:17:41] No, no, no.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: They're talking to Harry.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: They're dropping Harry off at the-

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's like, half our family owes their lives to you.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And I had this thought, I was like, what if like the other half of the family is going

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: to die?

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And like everyone that Harry didn't save is going to die.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, Ginny's safe cause he's already saved Ginny.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So she's not going to die.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was just like, uh oh.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Who else has he saved?

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He's saved Mr. Weasley.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He saved Ron and Mr. Weasley.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he ever saved like the twins or anybody else.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So they're all like fair game is to die.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: They're all going to die.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they will, but I had a moment of like, oh no, they haven't been saved by

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Harry.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So they're going to like die by Harry.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That's actually a fascinating theory.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Or like die protecting him.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry's touch offers a protection in the future.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, or like maybe he's cursed.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: There's like a jinx.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, I don't think like, I don't think they're all going to die.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope not, but.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully not.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully half the Weasley clan doesn't all die.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be devastating.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Except for Percy.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't mind if Percy died.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Where's Percy been?

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: He's so MIA.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Where do you think he's been?

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_03]: At the ministry.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably like plotting its downfall, helping.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be kind of badass.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like, he was with Crouch, right?

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So he was like bad with Crouch, I'm assuming.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he came in with Scrimger.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Scrimgoer.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That was the only other time.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And that was like not really a great meeting.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause well, I guess we'll get to that.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That's next, but.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't feel like he's really on the order side.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And nobody likes him either.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like even the siblings, they don't feel like, I don't feel like they trust him like

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: that.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe to gain their trust back, he's, he's doing a lot of undercover work right

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: now.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably hot.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably what I would do.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that it's possible that Percy has actually gone full dark?

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: A new order.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause we're at these chapters where.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm going to double check before I get any spoilers away.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Just tell me everything.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually like so excited about this book.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like this.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so psyched to read it every single time.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I love Harry Potter.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it so much.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it so much.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Chapter eight.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The little, his, his Patronus comes and he says, you know, the minister has died.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So Scrimgeour is dead.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It said he died.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It did.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe he's been thrown, but he's dead.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So do you think Percy would go rogue or would he just follow the new way of the ministry?

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Scrimgeour is dead.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He's, what do you mean?

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He's going rogue.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, does he have allegiance to Scrimgeour and to Fudge who were opposed to Voldemort,

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but they didn't really do a lot to like, you know, fix him or is, is Percy's allegiance

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: really with ambition and like trying to raise as high as he can.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So like if a new order comes in for the ministry of magic, like if Voldemort's whole clan starts

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: invading the ministry of magic, is he just going to align himself with those people so

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: he can achieve a higher standing?

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the latter, I think he's just going with the ministry and the ministry is going

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_03]: to go to Voldemort.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think he's still going to be fully driven ambition, even in Voldemort's reign.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Dang it.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is crazy.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That hurts.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's been painted so badly this whole series that I don't have anything to be like,

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there's a better side of Percy.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: There's really not.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: There really isn't.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little brutal.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter six.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What are your notes for chapter six?

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The ghoul in pajamas.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think I have notes.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I do have notes for six.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, this is when the Ollivander thing happens, I believe.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: The ghoul in pajamas.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That ghoul is Ron's disguise basically.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: In case somebody like, cause he said if the trio doesn't show up at school, he's like,

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: they're going to come search of all of our houses.

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's why Hermione wipes her parents memory.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Ron has this whole thing where he has like some illness and nobody's going to go near

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_03]: the ghoul and they can't tell anyway, but that, and then they, I think this is like their

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_03]: big conversation too.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're in like the living room, right?

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Or yeah, not they're upstairs.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Ron, Harry and Hermione have their big conversation about like what's a horcrux,

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I think.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And like talking about the future plans.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of just like information.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a very information centric chapter, but they do review a lot of the horcrux discussion,

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: which I think is helpful because they're about to kind of like embark on their journey.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And the Delacours arrive.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They're funny little couple.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They're all bad.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I had like bad expectations for them, but they're literally pleasant people.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: They're great.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so they, Harry does talk about his desire to return to Godric's Hollow.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He says his parents' graves were only a part of the attraction.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He had a strong, though inexplicable feeling that the place held answers for him.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps it was simply because it was there that he had survived Voldemort's killing curse.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Now that he was facing the challenge of repeating the feat, Harry was drawn to the place where

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: it happened, wanting to understand.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that Harry's going to get some answers if they go to Godric's Hollow?

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what's going to happen there?

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to have to do some crowd work.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Crowd work?

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Like talk to people.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And we learned that Dumbledore had his whole history there.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause whatever her name is.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Spilled all of that with Doge.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like the wedding chapter, but just knowing that that place has so much history

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: history for Dumbledore and Harry, it's like, if he's not in disguise and people see, oh,

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: it's Harry Potter.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're going to be willing to talk.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: He might figure out some things.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So, or he's just going to like run into a death eater and like start a battle and then

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_03]: just have to like flee immediately.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But at least he can like say hello to his parents and dip.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey mom.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi dad.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I'm going to run.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_03]: That house has to still be there.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like nobody would touch it.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_03]: There's probably like a hole in the wall and then he can go see his little crib.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: A little memorial or something like that?

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Or just a ruin.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: An abandoned house.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That was interesting.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Very interesting.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he can like dig, maybe his house is relatively untouched and he can like dig through

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_03]: their stuff still, you know, like kind of cool.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Go through their junk drawers and find papers and information.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_03]: See a little like, yeah.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Find like a little baby bonnet that Harry wore.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Get some trinkets.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: This baby bonnet is a horcrux.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I would be like, now I'm so skeptical that everything's a horcrux.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if you go in that house, it'd be like the power was in here.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what if everything is just like slightly magical?

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think he's definitely going to like gain information.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's just going to be like a useless trip.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to gain something when he goes to Gazerzella.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You know.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't even know if he goes to Gazerzella.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You might just skip it over.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Hermione might think it's a terrible idea.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's my first time reading too.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: First time.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's my first 15th time reading this book.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: First time this year.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a, so the Horcrux discussion that we get is actually pretty fascinating because

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: they bring a few extra components into it that Hermione has learned.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: She says, the more I've read about them, said Hermione, the more horrible they seem

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and the less I can believe he actually made six.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It warns in this book how unstable you make the rest of your soul by ripping it.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And that that's just by making one Horcrux.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry remembered what Dumbledore had said about Voldemort moving beyond usual evil.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't there any way of putting yourself back together?

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Ron asked.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, said Hermione with a hollow smile, but it would be excruciatingly painful.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you do it?

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Asked Harry.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Remorse, said Hermione.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to really feel for what you've done.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a footnote.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently the pain of it can destroy you.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't see Voldemort attempting it someday or somehow.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you?

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is the only way to mend a Horcrux is remorse.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: The pain of remorse can destroy you.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great line.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, wow.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I was shocked by that.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, there's no way you can put yourself back together after that.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh huh.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But I guess that is fitting that I guess you're truly sorry.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's like this, the turnaround, like breaking point to becoming a good person again.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think he's ever going to feel remorse.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't think he's trying to put himself back together again.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why that's relevant.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, agreed.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Unless if it's like in a selfish way.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, like he would only be like, oh, I'm so sorry I did this because now I'm like slightly compromised and not like as powerful as I could be.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think that's room necessarily like remorse.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think remorse is more pure than that.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But he seems slightly incapable of remorse.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it doesn't seem like it's up his way up like his wheelhouse or on his wheelhouse of.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the phrase?

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Something about his wheelhouse.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Up his wheelhouse.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Up his wheelhouse.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds dirty.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's in his wheelhouse.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's not in his wheelhouse.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: What even is a wheelhouse?

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Experience remorse.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that like a house where a bunch of wheels are?

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't that wouldn't that be like a freaking what are those called?

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Though the things that turn with the water.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what that is part of a boat or a ship serving as a shelter for the person of the at the wheel.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's not what I was saying.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's the wheel thing.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like a little shelter over.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember that person.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like how they used to power things with like the buckets on the wheel?

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's not what I was thinking.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like maybe there's a house.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: A wheelhouse.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not in his wheelhouse so they can't do it because he's not directing the boat.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Words.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, they talk about what can destroy Horcrux.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Like only magic that you cannot re-magic back together.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be something so destructive that the Horcrux can't repair itself.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Basilisk venom has only one antidote and it's incredibly rare.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: What else can kill a Horcrux?

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't know, but it's also extremely rare that the Phoenix and the Basilisk were together there, right?

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, ooh, that's like a little scary that they're like right next to each other.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm, the only thing I'm thinking of is the Acromantula venom that, uh, Slughorn got.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't go back and like read what he said that could do, but that seemed like venom.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So like maybe that spider venom and maybe like Slughorn knows that because Slughorn knows about Horcruxes because he started this whole thing.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But that or the sword of Gryffindor and that's why Dumbledore gave it to Harry.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, there's probably like a magical spell somewhere.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: The only, the only real things I have is the sword and the venom of that spider.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So you think the sword could kill Horcrux?

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like yes.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_03]: If the sword is not a Horcrux, maybe the sword is the means to destroy the Horcrux.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, okay.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I'm still thrown off by Dumbledore giving it to him.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which was next chapter which he can get to.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're basing your assumptions on the fact that Dumbledore is the one giving him the sword, which is a really, it's a great deduction to make.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I brought that up before I knew he got the sword.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I thought it was a Horcrux a while ago.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if it, if it, it has the properties to be like a Horcrux as, as a Voldemort's of Voldemort's choosing.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But if it's not, it's got some seriously powerful magic attached to it.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause Voldemort's attracted to something like that.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense that this thing would either be a Horcrux or a Horcrux killer.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a sword, you know?

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait till we get to that chapter.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good one.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I love how into this you are.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna be so fun.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like I sound so like this and all the podcasts.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I don't know if people actually know that like, this is the highlight of like,

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_03]: why we just like reading Harry Potter.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes!

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so fun.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna, we're gonna speed through this book too.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think I said it before, but I would be done with this book in like two sittings if

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't doing the podcast.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's, it's like more fun to drag it out like this, I think.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just do like four chapters every day.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, whenever you record, whenever you can record, we'll just pump them out.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm hmm.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Just text me and we'll.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Love it.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: 10 out of 10 book.

[00:31:29] Yes.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Amazing.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Incredible.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Um.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, can you tell me what this word thing is that there's like one word that everybody

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_03]: knows?

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm hmm.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Can you tell me what that word is?

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: No, of course not.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: How?

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Where's that from though?

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like where does that?

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's mainly from the movies and the books that doesn't have that much significance

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and the books does have some significance.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I'm not going to give you a lot of, a lot of this information, but.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You told me that you would tell me.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think you already said like you would have told me by now.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm like sad.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you the, the backstory on this, this word.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there's just a word that Harry Potter fans always, um, associate with Harry Potter.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you say this word, it's like a Harry Potter word.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it sneak?

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Sneak no.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I want it to be sneak.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Or I thought it was constant vigilance, but that's two words.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Two words.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not giving up.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a, it's yeah.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Horcrux.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: One character says it.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Has it been said already?

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_03]: One word.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a standalone word.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Stand alone word.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it was.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Wes is just probably playing with his toys.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: A standalone word.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Who said it?

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to tell you who said it, but I will say this.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: What was the location that it was set in?

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Um.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Castle.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to tell you that.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Give me a hint.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I will give you this hint.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the only hint that I'll give you.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: In the movies.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the actors felt the need for this person's character to know the direction that the character

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: was headed in.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And Joe gave general directions for all the people, obviously like this character is going

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: to be like this.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: This character should be like this.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to person's got to deal with this certain decisions.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And she told this person the meaning of this word.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so it's not even like an English word?

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It is an English word.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it is an English word, but it's just like what's packed into this word.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Bequeathal.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Bequeathal.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine if you just pulled the word bequeathal out?

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be insane.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Bequeathal the Zafana.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So good.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to say Malfoy says it.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what my gut's telling me.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Gatekeeping.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But I will say this.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Gaslighting and gatekeeping.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say this.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It has more significance with the movies than it does the books because in the movies,

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: two characters at least say this, say this word.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it means a little bit more to movie watchers.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Book, book readers, book readers, book readers like it, but there's, there's less love to it

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: because it doesn't like, you know, it doesn't mean that that much when the, when this person

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: says it, it's like, oh, but the movies, they take it to a different extreme, which is cool.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I like how they did it in the movies.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll find it.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm determined.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You're scanning everything now.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Every standalone word.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Every one word sentences.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Sentence.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to text me words all the time now.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right, let's go to the will of Albus Dumbledore chapter seven.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wait, I have a question.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Mad-Eye's dead.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Mad-Eye added protection to places.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Is all of that protection gone now that Mad-Eye's dead?

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, cause that seems to be the trend.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great question.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And then this whole like secret keeper thing with, um, Grimmauld place, that's kind of

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_03]: falling apart because now there's like 20 secret keepers because Dumbledore died.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Oof.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, I feel like the power of the order is like dissolving as they die because

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: now like they're losing their headquarters.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But then also every time you lose someone, all of like the magic that they've done is

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: also being lost.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I feel like Snape would probably know like some of the magic that went into

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: these places too, just from previous order things.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think, and I don't think we've encountered this actually at all.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: When someone dies, if there's any little bits of magic that they've done that linger.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you let it linger?

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the only thing that you could say are things like the Marauder's map, but these are

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: objects or the mirror.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: These people have died, but that magic still lingers, but it's like magic put into an object.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_01]: If I like dumped the way that we knew Dumbledore died is because he put something on Harry and

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: then like it ebbed away.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But if there was an object that someone put magic into, then it would probably last maybe

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: not forever, but last a little bit after their death.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Object permanence.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause there's, there's a point to this, which is the next chapter.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Horcrux.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Horcrux.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But when Dumbledore gives them these objects in his will, he does he attach magic to it?

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Is he like adding?

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I understood this was there's a specific reason that each one of the trio is given the object

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_03]: that they're given.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, they're so extremely helpful.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why, but I feel like they are absolute necessity because like Dumbledore

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_03]: took the risk of doing it that way.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And I guess like he died unexpectedly, but I feel like there could be ways of like passing

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: things down around that, like without putting it into a will.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So I would like to say go into the next chapter.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's jump right in.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good chapter.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my faves.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Love this one.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: The will of Albus Dumbledore.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_03]: The will of Albus Dumbledore.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: The will of Albus Dumbledore.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So the who's the guy?

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Scrim Gord?

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Scrimger.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Scrimger is arriving at the burrow.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why that sentence did not roll off the tongue at all.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And he basically is like, oh, I got to talk to you guys.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: The trio.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_03]: They go inside.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: He wants them all separate, but they stay together.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Smart move.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Stories can align that way.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he basically dishes out the deluminator, the snitch, a book, and the sword, but the

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_03]: ministry took the sword because it's history.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's like the whole chapter is that.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And Scrimgore and Harry like end up like nose to nose in a fight.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So they're about to go at it.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And then like Mr. Weasley walks in and they're like, oh, what's going on in here?

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Good summary.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: At the beginning of this chapter.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry experiences kind of a vision.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Or Voldemort's walking through this like mountainous valley.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Mountainous valley.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That is an oxymoron.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Shut up.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: A mountain road.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and he's looking for someone named Gregorovitch.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: The wand man.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Why is he looking for this person?

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Because he probably killed Ollivander and he's like needs all the wand people.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just going through all the wand people.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Dang.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if Gregorovitch is like more powerful.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like he might be just cause he's a like Swedish or something.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what he is.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_03]: French.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_01]: What is Gregorovitch?

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Gregorovitch is like, uh, I don't know.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: What kind of name is that?

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Is Dermstrang from the south, right?

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Dermstrang is no.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Dermstrang is north.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I would just go Dermstrang.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Dermstrang would be an Alabama school in America.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_03]: He is from the north.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's with Dermstrang.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe he's like more affiliated with wanding up the dark wizards.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that where Voldemort got his or his came from?

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: His came from Ollivander.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Most great Britain people get it from Ollivander.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just trying to figure out what's going on with the wands.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Good.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I like it.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But suck it, Voldy, because you don't know.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, I just like that he can't get past that.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I feel like that should be a simple thing.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, you can't defeat Harry Potter?

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Must be your wand.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's not your wand.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just you.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, in your face.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a good one.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of my favorite little tidbits in this entire series that's coming up.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to read this for you.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's some like fun stuff that's in this.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, well, these there's two lines I want to read you early.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_01]: One of my faves.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'll read you the next one.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's really powerful.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Says this isn't your average book said Ron.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's pure gold 12 fail safe ways to charm witches explains everything you need to know

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: about girls.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd only had this last year.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd have known exactly how to get rid of lavender.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have I would have known how to get it going with.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Fred and George gave me a copy and I've learned a lot.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You'd be surprised.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not all about wand work either.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not all about wand work.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the funniest lines in the whole series.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I was dying when I read that.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It was so funny.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And then this is a line that I love because there's a lot packed into this that goes over

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: readers heads.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's this.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Here you sat down, took the square parcel she had indicated and unwrapped it.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Inside was a watch very like the one Mr. and Mrs. Weasley had given Ron for a 17th.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It was gold with stars circling around the face instead of the hands.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's traditional to give a wizard a watch when he comes of age, said Mrs. Weasley, watching

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: him anxiously from beside the cooker.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm afraid this one isn't new like Ron's.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It was actually my brother Fabian's and he wasn't a terribly careful person with his possessions.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit dented on the back, but the rest of her speech was lost.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry had got up and hugged her.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He tried to put a lot of unsaid things into the hug and perhaps she understood them because

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: she patted his cheek clumsily when he released her.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Then waved her wand in a slightly random way, causing half a pack of bacon to flip to flop

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: out of the frying pan and onto the floor.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a random question, but do you remember who Fabian Pruitt is?

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I remember the name being somewhere in the book.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my favorite little sections, subsections of this book.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much subtext going on right here.

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Fabian Pruitt is Molly's.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Molly Weasley was Molly Pruitt before she was Molly Weasley.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Fabian Pruitt is her brother, obviously, like it says here.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it says this in Goblet of Fire.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: This is when they're looking at some of the I think Sirius is giving Harry like some information.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He says the Pruitts, Gideon and Fabian.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It took five Death Eaters to bring them down.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They fought like heroes.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it is so tragic and so beautiful, too, that Mrs. Weasley has been holding onto this watch.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's her brothers.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And then who does she bequeath it to?

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Eww! Let's go!

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Other than Harry.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think there is such significance behind that.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that it's so underwritten.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just like Hamali throws in that it was her brother, Fabian's.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But this guy died trying to take down Voldemort.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's giving this watch to Harry, who's essentially life mission is to take down Voldemort.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's like a lot of, I think, beauty to that.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_03]: There's so much I love in that because I just love that you get a watch.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right?

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's just cool little tradition.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But then it's really special that Ron gets a new watch because like they're so, like, they're

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_03]: poor, you know?

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he doesn't get a lot of new things.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like that's really special.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But then also part of me is like, he should maybe get like the, like the heirloom watch.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know if they like see it as like a generational, like special thing or if it's

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_03]: just like, oh, that's an old hand-me-down watch.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But then for Harry, I think it's like, yeah, all of the things you said about him defeating

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Voldemort or trying to defeat Voldemort.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's really special for him.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he's not going to care if it's a used watch.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Harry doesn't even have family.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, agreed.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_03]: There is no one to give him a watch.

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Agreed.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that he puts a lot into that hug too.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I felt like the hug was like low-key disingenuous.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I read that and I was like, oh, are you like playing Mrs. Weasley right now?

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean?

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I just felt like, maybe that's just me, but I just felt like.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever someone hugs Lizzie, she's like, oh, what's going on here?

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I just think it's like, that's the right thing to do in the moment.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, I want to make you feel better.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And like, I want you to think I care a lot.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So then I give you a hug.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Harry gives Mrs. Weasley a hug.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to ruin that for you because I think you love that hug.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's good.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to ruin it.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I just feel like he just thinks like that's the right thing to do in the moment.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Because he's like, they're giving up everything for me.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And now there's like the, the hug that should happen that I should do that.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I should pretend is like very meaningful following protocol for like what he should do.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's like playing her a little bit.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a little harsh to hear to be completely honest.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's in Harry's wheelhouse.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We're picking up a lot of phrases.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, cause we're talking about Harold's, Harry's moral character.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Harold, Harold, Harry and moral combined.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry's moral character.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He, I just think he's like trying to get it over with, you know?

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to dip in a minute.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Give her a hug.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Get out.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause that's, I think like the thing that Mrs. Weasley needs.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think he's trying to love Mrs. Weasley, how Mrs. Weasley needs to be loved.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So that she can feel like he's grateful for everything she's done for him.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Stop like doing that with your nose.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you're supposed to do.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry is not going to love Mrs. Weasley in the way that he should receive love.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to love Mrs. Weasley.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That's good love.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: If you love another person in the way they receive it best.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying there's a level of like disingenuousness though.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're using it for manipulation, agreed, fully agreed.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: If I know how to get, if I know how someone likes to receive love and I'm doing that in

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: order to get certain things from it, then agreed.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But if I know how someone receives love and I'm doing it because I want to show them love.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing wrong about that.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's yes.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Lizzie.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying, I think he's taking the easy way out instead of like saying thank you to Mrs. Weasley or like having a conversation.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just like trying to hug her.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And be like, that's it.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Because like, and like it's easier to just give a hug than like have a full conversation.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually kind of with you on that because there's points to it where like, yeah, you don't want to, especially when like someone.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know exactly Mrs. Weasley.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she wants to get into the stories.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Me, I think too, from what I know of her character, she does seem to want to like maybe talk about some of that stuff.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was just starting to bubble forth.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, oh, like, you know, this is what happens.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is what happened with my brother.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she's going to like unload some of that stuff.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd feel great for her.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden Harry just hugs her and like the story.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, that's it.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he knows when I hug her, she's going to be a little flustered.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's potential that Harry is doing something like that.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a player.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I think more that Harry is just very grateful for her.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's the way that maybe Harry's not being like, you know, perfectly loving that he this is the best way that he knows how to show love to her.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: How else would Harry show love like that he knows of?

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's like the best thing that he could do.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't feel like it's love.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't think it's genuine.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So what would it be?

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But Mrs. Weasley is like a big suppressor of all her emotions.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, agreed for sure.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember the hug that Lupin gave Mrs. Weasley when she was dealing with her bog art.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And like that was a big like release.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So what would Harry do in the situation in order to show like his truly loving self to Mrs. Weasley?

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel like he cares, though.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's like apathetic and is like, I have to go kill Voldemort.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm stuck in your guys's house.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me go.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like a great depiction of Harry to some extent because he definitely feels like that.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And he's like so over it.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think there's like a part of, oh, there's a normal like there's a social norm that I need to be thankful to these people like they are giving up their everything for me.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's so like eyes on the prize.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me get out here that he's just like, I don't know.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I really I just feel like it's a player move, like just hug her, make her feel like she's loved.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And then like you don't care.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I feel like.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That is a that is one of the hottest things I've ever I've ever seen.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how I read it.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fascinating.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it is easier to just do that.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So for sure.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_03]: One player to have it.

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Just kidding.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm thinking through certain things that are happening now and trying to reframe it.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Because he wants to be nice to them, you know, he doesn't want to burn the bridges.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how he would truly show love.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think I think maybe he's just doing the best that he can do in this situation.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he knows how.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I agreed.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And on another in like a whole different point.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_01]: When someone is mourning or going through something.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she's thinking of her brothers again.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, sometimes the I think 99% of the time.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Not saying anything and just being with that person helps.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe Harry should have just shut up and just listen.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think a hug is one of the next best things.

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_03]: To each their own.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess so.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a hot take.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fascinating take.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how I read it.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, what do you think of the Minister for Magic when he's coming?

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's odd.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this should be done in an office.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: With a witness.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But no, they're having a little inquisition.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, why do you think?

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what are you gonna say?

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Real quick before that.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a really fascinating line that says,

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Although Lupin smiled as he shook Harry's hand.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry thought he looked rather unhappy.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It was all very odd.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Tonks beside him looks simply radiant.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on between them?

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming that this is when she's pregnant.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's got like the pregnancy glow.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But then, like either Lupin is just depressed.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I think he is.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_03]: In some ways.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's been like messed up for a while now, I feel.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe he's just the stress of life.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like his job's getting to him.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But honestly, if it's the job stress, I think he could suck it up for the little social event that he's at.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're depressed, I think that's harder.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's more excusable.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And if she's not pregnant, I don't know.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Then I just say he's depressed.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's just full on depressed.

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's just happy.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Which makes like, obviously that's, you're not like, your depression isn't dependent on like your circumstances in life.

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But it is a little odd.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's strange.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever they're going through, it's strange.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_03]: She should cast a Patronus at him.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Shoo those Dementors away.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That's actually been one thing that I think about all the time is like, the Dementors and just like, I think of it as like, I think of depression as that way.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And it like adds like a, like it kind of lightens it up for me a little bit.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I'm like, ooh, the Dementors are getting to me.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_03]: The Dementors are coming, yeah.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know?

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, I gotta like cast my Patronus.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go!

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_03]: You know?

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But like, I don't know.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause that just happened to me where like, I was like, okay, the Dementors have finally left.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, it's such a good mood now.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And that was like, I don't know.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, like it personifies it a little bit, which I think is like helpful rather than like a big dark, I don't know.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Like looming cloud or whatever like that.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that she pressed.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like that children's book that you, like sadness is at the door or something.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like, I don't know.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, it kind of like lightens it up to me.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not so crazy serious.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I love again, any literature that kind of does this, that not only is it just entertaining, not only is it an escape, but like actually helps you deal with real things.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think she did that exceptionally well for Dementors and for death.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, with people seeing Thestrals and people, how you ward off, you know, the looming depression that's coming to you.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's not like the perfect depiction of what depression looks like for everybody, but I think it's like, okay, you know, the Dementors are coming.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It lightens it up.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, how do I solve this?

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me, you know, focus on the happy memories in my life.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, it's not always a quick solve like that.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not so easy, but I think that's a great, I think it lightens it up.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, it's like great that it does this for kids too.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: When they read this, there's like, oh, okay.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like experiencing sadness in some kind of way that I can kind of like, you know, think of the happy things in my life.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And it might be a little bit of a bomb and like a sell for this.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And it externalizes it a little too.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I can think of it as like something tacky rather than like, oh, I am the darkness itself.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, and just ruminating in that.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, oh, it'll come.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It'll go.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, not just within me forever.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You know?

[00:54:26] Oh yeah.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to cry.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I love this.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so good.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Look at these books helping us out with light.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, the Dementors are gone now.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Shout out to my dolphin Patronus, wherever you are.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Accidentally cast you in my sleep the other night, I guess.

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so good.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, the scrimgeour is a very strange dude though, in this whole section.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what did you think about the things that he left to all of them?

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about the object that he left to Ron, to Hermione and to Harry?

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Ron got the deluminator.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's feeling pretty useless.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But it does have a close.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe it opens at the close.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_03]: You know?

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_03]: A little lid thing.

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I truly have no clue.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming maybe there's like a certain light that he needs to deluminate.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm feeling like they are so purposeful.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_03]: There is a reason.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone, like for me, I'm like Hermione, go lock yourself in your room, read that whole

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_03]: book through.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's gonna do that.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know she's gonna do that.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Upside down, backwards in the mirror, between the pages.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That also has a close, cause that has a spine.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe that opens at the close.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I love these theories that open at the close.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that doesn't have a close is the sword.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So the sword's not here.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So that must've been purposeful.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't open that.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like the snitch has to be put in water, like that egg from the cup.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That's like, and I'm like, if he caught in his mouth, that's like really wet.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So like maybe it just needs to be in the water.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll like chuck that thing in the tub.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That is so funny.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's my only thought.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_03]: That's so great.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Or is there like an inside of the snitch?

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't know.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Is there something hidden inside?

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Did they say that opens or that just has like a memory?

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_03]: A touch memory.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_03]: A touch memory.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_03]: What happens with the touch memory?

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: The flash memory is when it shows I open at the close.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Or he puts it to his lips right after this, right after scrimmage release.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause he's like, you don't remember my first Quidditch catch ever.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, no Harry, we don't keep like a memory of a track record of every snitch

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that you've caught.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And he touches it to his lips.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it says, I open at the close.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to eat that John.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That's really it.

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_03]: No, that opens when he touches it.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what opens?

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_01]: No, we don't know what I open at the close.

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's that opens and there's like something inside of that.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: What would be inside of that snitch?

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Like further instructions from Dumbledore.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a little lomket.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_01]: A whole parchment of paper written very small.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Do all this.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_01]: How are they going to open that though?

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the close?

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_03]: They put it in water and it opens at the close.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Or he puts it in his mouth.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like why does he still not try to eat it?

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he kissed it.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not the same thing.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it has to be in water.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to digest that.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Suck on it.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: When he poops it out, it comes out open.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Ew.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying pop it in, pop it out.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't need to digest this whole thing.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like the snitch has to open and become like this little locket situation.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And either there's like a horcrux in there, which I don't think so because that's tiny.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Or there's like literally a piece of paper that's like, hey, I died.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, this is where you need to go.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what you need to do.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Love Dumbledore.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's it.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I'm thinking.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm 100% serious that it needs to be put in water.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that is the cure too.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that you're just at least problem solving here.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Harry's just kind of sitting on his butt, not knowing what to do with this.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And there has to be, there has to be something in Hermione's book like that to me.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Either there's like one page that's like erased and rewritten or like you can siphon the ink off and it like starts writing a new thing and it's like, oh, I'm actually like instructions from Dumbledore.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Or it's like that book you had to reorder.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what's that book called that they, uh, you have to like cut it across or cut the spine.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Like just some, it's not a normal book.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm feeling.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And that also the spine, maybe there's something hitting the spine.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why Ron has a deluminator.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe like one of the Horcruxes is a light bulb.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause maybe the deluminator cause it's the one of a kind thing.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't undo that with magic.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Once you deluminate a light bulb with the deluminator, it cannot be relit by any other means.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe you can like unlight the Horcrux light bulb thing.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it can't be re-magic back on because it's Dumbledore's magic, you know?

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That's definitely right.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I like your theories on this.

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting real like freaky with these theories.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Not freaky.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Freaky is the wrong word.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting real adventurous with these theories.

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm into it.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what, like, it just has to be like the egg situation.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like put it in your mouth.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Why did he not put it in your mouth?

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why not?

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, oh, I wonder what's in the book.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Read the book.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder what's-

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But to Harry's point, he touches it to his lips and then it shows these words.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So like-

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, did the open at the close show up?

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what showed up?

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a snitch and Harry grabbed it.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And then when he-

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_01]: One scrimmed your left, then he touched it to his lips and then it says I opened the close.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's what I meant.

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I open at the close.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Pop the thing in and start chewing it.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: The close.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The close.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I open at the close.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Is there like the cabinet or something that's closed?

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Cabinet?

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the vanishing cabinet.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The vanishing cabinet is a horcrux.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I open at the close.

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I open at the close.

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_03]: The close?

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I open at the close.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: This is like you doing the crossword.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It could be close.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I open at the close.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_03]: What's the close?

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: A monster.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_03]: The close.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You got any other notes for this chapter?

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I open at the close.

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: While you think of close.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I open at the close.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I open at the close.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I open at the close.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_03]: My only note says like the fourth amendment.

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is reminding you like the unreasonable search and seizure.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, this is not allowed.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: This is against the law.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: She's saying the laws, yeah.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Literally just the fourth amendment.

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_03]: That was it.

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the thing that's opening is the snitch.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like an outside object.

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So if the snitch opens and then you think there's instructions on how to, you know, defeat

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort in that.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I think there's just like step number one of like, you should head in this direction.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe it just says go to Godric's Hollow.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Harry's like, oh, well, I was going to do that anyway.

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know.

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Why is Dumbledore putting this all in riddles then?

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's being searched through.

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't just write that out.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Say Horcrux located at.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But think about it.

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if there's something in the snitch, why wouldn't it just open when Harry kisses it?

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Because nobody's putting it in their mouth.

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you really think that's the key?

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so serious.

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I love this.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I love this so much.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's the flesh memory or whatever it is.

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I like it.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he has to, it has to touch the inside of somebody's mouth.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Harry's probably specifically.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess so.

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, it's like when people started in, um, I forget what that word is, but like

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: hiding stuff in their letters because they were getting searched through all the time.

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you have to start working around the ministry because the ministry is not working

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: for you.

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like that.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like the menish, I guess obviously the scrimge or the church, but I'm

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: not dead yet, but I feel like this is the last act before the ministry has fallen.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And like, if the ministry did fall, that maybe like, like the will wouldn't have been given

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_03]: out to whoever.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Like this was, I feel like this is the last act of the ministry.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's weird because this is one of the last things that scrimge or does because he dies

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: in the next chapter.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if he like leaves the safety net of the burrow and then just gets like shot

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_03]: down.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Seriously.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Serious.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what we got.

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So the next chapter is the wedding, which is just like kind of like the wedding, you

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: know, there's, there is a bunch of fun stuff that happened in this, but it was a good

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: wedding.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it was a good wedding.

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds like a lot of fun to be.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a rip roaring time.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: What is this triangular eye situation?

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: What is this triangular eye on?

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: What is his name?

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Xenophilius.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Xenophilius.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's such a good name.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I love how she does stuff like that.

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Xenophilius.

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I am picturing like the $1 bill situation.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's somewhat similar to that.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Freemasons.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen, uh, you've probably seen this sign in the wild.

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the triangle with the circle and the, and the what?

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: The little, uh, line that goes through it.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that the, so it's like the triangle is like that.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a circle on the triangle and there's a line in the circle.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: What is that?

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I believe that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: the, that's the deathly hollows.

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what that is.

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the deathly hallows are yet.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: One of the deathly hollows is the wand and maybe that's the little line going through

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: it.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Is like a wand.

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So what would the other two things be then?

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: An egg.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: A snitch.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh a snitch would be so good.

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, what's triangular?

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: A block of cheese.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: i have no idea like i have not encountered a triangle yet yeah yeah three sides seven's

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_03]: magic number three isn't three like perfection or something seven is perfection oh in the

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: wizarding world i thought three was like a magic thing here here i don't know was isn't three like

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: perfect because that's like the most pleasing number till your eye and such really yeah i've

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_03]: never heard that like things in three are better than things in two or four that's why things are

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: always in threes what is always in threes like if you're plating food you're like plating in threes

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: like you're having like three focal points or if you're like setting a table and there's like

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: candle candle candle it's better in threes oh yeah because it has like the flow of like your eye

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: can fall in better i say that in writing too you should have lists of odds rather than evens yeah

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: odds are just better yeah so i don't know what's three three people ron harry hermione oh all right

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: i don't know what the circle is um the the portrait hole it symbolizes ron harry and hermione

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: jumping through the portrait hole love this with so much wand in tow not in tow but in tow okay

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: t-o-w t-o-w not in t-o-e yeah that's what it is i don't know even like what the deathly

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: hallows are but i or what the elder wand is but like they are they are period they are they're there

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_03]: okay but he's saying it's like some terrible kind of like political symbol of grindel grindel yeah

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: who is grindel the guy who dumbled or defeated yeah and that was at dermstring what's uh the mark was

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: at dermstring okay but the sign was they they say that's a sign of grindelwald so yeah why does he

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: have it around his neck like that shouldn't be yeah a good thing but then i feel like also the way

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that luna and xenophilius are portrayed they're like very free thinkers and like yeah conspiracyists

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: what's that conspirists yeah conspiracy so then like sometimes like you actually encounter those

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: people where they're like this isn't what you think it is there's a deeper meaning in like

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: this niche topic that like someone else has skewed but i know what the true feel like the true meaning

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: is and you're like you know like it's one of those things that they would almost like be fine being

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: misinterpreted because you think that uh crumb is wrong on this or not crumb is wrong but you think

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that in xenophilius's eyes like crumb doesn't know the real meaning of this and there's deeper

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: meaning behind what he's wearing i think other than just the market i think crumb is right but

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: xenophilius probably has some like niche truth that he's holding to okay but like i would not say

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: this whole storyline of like grindelwald and this thing being on the walls crumb his grandfather i

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_03]: like i'm with him on that like that sounds sure i'll go with that okay but yeah if you ask xenophilius

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: he's probably gonna be like oh this is like representative of new life and rebirth and like

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: interesting i don't know it's a good take it's a good take give me a lot to think about right now

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: i love how luna just like dances in her own world that's what she wants so cute

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that is she is what i aspire to be she is so lovely but you don't like to dance yeah i'm not a dancer

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe that's like how you like maybe you just need to dance by yourself and it's like

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: i dance by myself i'm like cooking dinner and just like you know grooving yeah doing my own thing me too

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah i feel like like i dance all the time at home but not really like yeah not in public

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: i'm not dancing down the street that's actually so such a lie i am always dancing i don't care

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: that's like you want to be you want to be more like lizzie more like luna

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah come on guys who cares what other people think dance in the street um we learn a little bit about

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: dumbledore's background here but what is actually what is the actual truth uh because there's two

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: conflicting things rita skeeter's telling and then alphia stowage is telling and he sees alphia stowage

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: here alphia stowage is very much like a dumbledore apologist i'm on more of the ant side i think

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: okay because i feel like i've kind of learned sometimes that those people are actually more honest

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and real than like the other people yep the truth is a hard pill to swallow

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: so i feel like she might be like there's probably a level of gossip and like it's been exaggerated over

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: time but i think like when someone comes at you with something that's completely uh like countering

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_03]: the the norm like that and like the real story that you think is like oh everybody knows this is how

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: this girl died or whatever and like somebody just says something like that and they're just like

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_03]: are drunk and it's just coming out i feel like loki i'm like listening to you like i'm gonna believe

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: that yeah because i don't know like the ladies like to talk yeah probably got some truth that is

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_03]: like really yeah and you don't have to take everything she says at face value but like if she's preventing

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: presenting like a perspective that hasn't been said before like listen to that and it's it's like

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_03]: it's more firsthand than rita skeeter's ever gonna be because rita skeeter's is also like a crazy story

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: but she's like way down the filter of like this story has been so dissolved like this is just kind

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_03]: of opinion yeah whereas um whatever aunt her name is margie yeah she's like kind of like the top of

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the totem pole to me like she was almost there when it was happening it is like a pretty fascinating

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: thing that you say that because rita skeeter is for sure very gossipy she's got some bias there

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: but she's like this might sound weird to say but she's like a pretty neutral person yes she upsets

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: people but there's one scene that i remember where like she's in an interaction with dumbledore

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and dumbledore's like oh you wrote that mean thing about me and she's like i have to dumbledore i have

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: to that's like journalism i gotta tell the story i remember us talking like is she a good journalist

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: isn't she i kind of think she is yeah like she's she's very much like a gossip column journalist

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: journalist but she's at she will so this is one part of that i don't like about her because she will do

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: anything that she can to get the story like whatever she can to get the story that is entertaining

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to read her she's going out for entertainment rather than like maybe what the pure and right

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: truth is yeah but within the entertainment value there's always like you know you can round that

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: off i'll think a little clearer than what someone who truly truly loved you says about you which is a

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: weird thing to say but like elphius doge like he's buddy buddies he's like looking up he's like

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: essentially like a little follower of of dumbledore like what he says is only going to be positive

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: only going to be like great things about this yeah he's idolizing exactly i think not someone

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that you love i think that's like very different i think someone love you that you love tells you

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: tells can tell the absolute truth about you but she out here is trying to like that yeah she's out

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: here trying to get like this story i think you could chip away easier at what the truth is for her than

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: you can for elphius doge which you have to build up like within rediscator she's giving everything

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and you're like this is the part that's true with elphius doge he gives you a little bit and you're

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: like i don't know even know how to build off of that like you didn't say anything bad about him

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: which there's always bad things about people like that's it i love that and the difference between

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: doge and rita and the aunt is like doge and rita are both doing this with the mindset of this is

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: going public and then the aunt is just like yeah conversing yeah exactly you know it's just like

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: there she gains nothing from this yeah agreed whereas the other two it can be argued they either

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: gain or loss or lose from the perspective that they give so different yeah they're in a different game

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit it makes you wonder what you have been suspicious of forever is dumbledore a good person

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: just kidding you haven't always i don't even know it makes it more complex nobody's a completely good

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: person agreed yeah that is why i love this book because like no one's purely purely good yeah

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: except for maybe lily people say lily is the only one that's like maybe above it all because she's

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: so idolized in this book because everything's in harry's mind nothing about her thus far like maybe

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: this is all about lily but if lily is so perfect she's avoided like six books of yeah agreed possible

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and we're all on harry's harry's side no one's gonna like you know trash his dead mother you know

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's not nice yeah don't trash people's dead mother that's not a good thing or living

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: mothers or living mothers yeah yeah don't tell your mama jokes the end of this chapter is great though

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: cliffhanger harry did not know where to begin but it did not matter at that moment something large and

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: silver came falling through the canopy over the dance floor graceful and gleaming the links landed

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: lightly in the middle of the astonished dancers heads turned as those nearest it froze in mid-dance

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and the patronus's mouth opened wide and it spoke in a loud deep slow voice of kingsley shakapult

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the ministry has fallen scrimgeour is dead they are coming it's so good i almost didn't realize the

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: pertinence of that until i like accidentally flipped through and i realized there's like a battle scene

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_03]: next i was like oh i was like a message okay and then i was like oh like they're coming

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah they're like they're like coming so we'll see what happens in the next scene i guess but

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_03]: so the death eaters killed scrimgeour yeah i'm surprised because i feel like he could have been

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: swayed yeah um that i gave you a spoiler of a little bit in the next chapter because we don't

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: know scrimgeour is dead yet no we do scrimgeour is dead oh that's right that's right sorry we do

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: we don't know how he died or the circumstances around how he died i didn't spoil any of that so i'm glad

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: we will learn that this is circumstances different than just a dead eater killing it significant

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: no it's not suicide no no it's not that crazy but uh it changes your perspective of him slightly

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll figure it out next time you made the cliffhanger way i was like oblivious before

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: did you have any other notes in this chapter before we uh before we end it

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: uh no that's it perfect

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: all has been said did you have a hot tamale favorite moment or favorite character

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_03]: i kind of want to say kingsley's my new hot tamale oh he is like replacing serious

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: dang wow then like jenny also was like majorly hot tamale in the burrow there's that one moment

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: where she winks at harry when she's like you know looking for him in the crowd it's like oh

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_03]: your heart flutters a little you're like and then she's also like i forget what she says like

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_03]: this is how you can remember me whatever oh yeah make out yeah that's really hot tamale energy

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that was hot tamale energy but yeah uh kingsley or jenny and then favorite moment

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: low-key luna doing her thing yeah that was great

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: there has to be like much better options for me to pick but i kind of don't take this very seriously

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: um what else am i supposed to do favorite character george oh yeah george's ear yeah

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll end this in honor of george's ear ear ear ear ear for george

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: well thanks for joining us on this journey of harry fodder and the first time readers see ya bye

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