Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Ch 36 & Epilogue

[00:00:00] How do you guys like the end of the book?

[00:00:03] Did it meet your expectations? Yeah, yeah I

[00:00:08] Liked it

[00:00:12] No, no, I really did like it

[00:00:15] it's

[00:00:16] It just felt so fast and that's us reading this slowly. So I

[00:00:25] Could have done with it being drawn out more. Yeah, but again, we had a more unique reading experience

[00:00:31] And I think I feel that way when I read other books too

[00:00:34] I remember being mad at the end of Hunger Games thinking it was too quick, too

[00:00:39] Yeah, so I think endings are really hard to pull off and I think she did a good job

[00:00:44] I'm just hard to you just don't like ending

[00:00:48] That probably is part of it and you can never answer all the questions. I love the 19 years later. Yeah

[00:00:54] okay, because that I

[00:00:57] Could see why people would be annoyed about it in some ways because it wraps up there nicely

[00:01:01] You don't need to do that. But to me love it

[00:01:04] Yeah, I'm all about that because it just brings more closure not that things were okay in that moment

[00:01:09] But that things ended up okay down the line

[00:01:12] You're seeing like our own little personal time-turner as we yes we get to see where they ended up and I felt

[00:01:19] Like it was really warm. It was really cozy. It felt like so

[00:01:22] So sweet to be able to see them all happy very distanced from the drama of the past

[00:01:27] Honestly, I think one of my favorite lines in the entire book comes from the epilogue

[00:01:31] And it's the first line of it where it says autumn seemed to arrive sudden suddenly that year and it's a basic line

[00:01:37] But you're like if you're hairy autumn can't arrive soon enough

[00:01:40] And he you're back in his head and finally it can't it's like too fast

[00:01:44] It's coming too fast as kids are going up too fast. I'm like as far as a writing perspective

[00:01:49] That is one of the most brilliant opening lines of an epilogue I've ever read it's so good

[00:01:55] It's so good. Such a good one. That is really good. But the epilogue is really controversial

[00:02:00] Some people love it. Some people hate it. I could totally kind of talk about it. Yeah

[00:02:04] Wait Jen if you had to rate it scale 1 to 10 or in general

[00:02:10] The end I really yeah, no, I I liked it a lot I thought

[00:02:15] I liked it a lot. I thought

[00:02:18] It answered pretty much all the questions that I had and I was kind of what I had a bunch of questions left

[00:02:26] Um, don't let it answer here's like I just want to like to know bottom line. What happens to Harry and friends?

[00:02:32] Yes, absolutely and then we get that. Yep, and it goes the way I wanted to go

[00:02:39] Very satisfying there is a point to where most of the questions really are answered

[00:02:44] And when you reread this you'll have a ton of questions after this book

[00:02:47] And then if you reread it, you'll get all your questions answered. We'll answer your questions tonight

[00:02:52] I know that's what is so interesting because I was like, oh, what is it like to reread this with a different lens?

[00:02:58] So true that you know what happened

[00:03:00] Well, i'm just so i'm genuinely happy that the books ended with the complex characters and complex moments

[00:03:07] There was that part of me that I think I was cautiously like

[00:03:11] Oh, are they gonna try and do something too crazy in the end here is jk gonna throw some curveball?

[00:03:17] It was satisfying

[00:03:19] And Dumbledore ended as a genuinely complex character who made mistakes and was trying to figure it out

[00:03:25] But is a good man and Snape complex character through to the end and there are

[00:03:31] Elements of the world you kind of miss and people actually die and it's like yeah, I think it ended really well

[00:03:35] Oh

[00:03:38] Look at you already quoting the inside jokes of

[00:03:45] Once I started wedding planning that was a whole lot. Yeah, it was everywhere

[00:03:51] But it is oh and that's why there's a stag in the dough on all this bridal stuff, too

[00:03:57] They have the stag in the dough like everywhere. Isn't that over the line? Yeah, I did it just clicked now. So no

[00:04:03] No, but i'm just saying over the line to imply that

[00:04:06] Snape and Lily were supposed to end up together or something. Well, James's was a stag

[00:04:12] Where are you?

[00:04:13] No, no, that's a fair point. But i'm just a james and severus snape fair

[00:04:19] but I think i'm still connecting that

[00:04:21] Snape's

[00:04:23] Patronus is the dough

[00:04:25] and so

[00:04:27] Would that be the anime?

[00:04:29] That's why I said that

[00:04:31] Gay love affair it could happen

[00:04:36] It's really snape and james the whole time would be great this whole time

[00:04:40] But then that's weird for a different reason because then it's like always which is snail's thing is being connected to lily and james

[00:04:46] That feels wrong, too

[00:04:48] um

[00:04:50] It's only wedding decor. It's okay, but I didn't notice all that stuff

[00:04:54] Now when you're in it

[00:04:57] You see it everywhere

[00:05:00] Yeah, again second time reads are really fun. A lot of people think their second time reads are better than the first time reads

[00:05:05] Um, but and people would give their right eye drop so many hints that you didn't I didn't pick up this first time

[00:05:11] I thought that one time when we were detectives and it was really good

[00:05:15] I am telling you you will reread the series and you'll be astounded at the amount of hints that she dropped even in

[00:05:19] The first chapter alone. It's crazy how much in the first book first chapter the first chapter

[00:05:25] How much how much she hinted at really things in that? Yeah

[00:05:28] I mean like there's definitely a point of dissection. Can you just tell me what chapters?

[00:05:33] They're honestly they're sprinkled through like every chapter. Yeah

[00:05:37] Tons of stuff throughout the entire chapter. Yeah, so now you have to read them all again. Yes

[00:05:42] Seriously second time reads are great

[00:05:45] Um

[00:05:46] Well, yeah people that's why people would get their like right arm to reread this series because it's just like

[00:05:51] I feel like i'm gonna have to read it not listen. Yeah. Oh, yeah

[00:05:55] So it's not happening

[00:05:58] No, okay. So here's uh impetus for you to read it again. You can read it with uh, Stephen Fry or

[00:06:06] They're doing an audiobook cast. I sent this to you today. This is gonna be so cool

[00:06:10] They're casting each part and they're gonna do an audiobook

[00:06:13] For each character in your water. Why like yeah, that should be more popular

[00:06:18] It should be so much more popular. That is like the coolest idea. Yeah

[00:06:23] Love it

[00:06:25] And I think

[00:06:26] There's still a place for all of it though

[00:06:28] Like I think sometimes it's comforting to just listen to someone reading it to you

[00:06:32] But the idea of being able to do it like that sounds so immersive. I know

[00:06:37] Yeah, I want to see what's Stephen Fry is

[00:06:40] There's huge debate

[00:06:42] most americans like dale better but Stephen Fry is good he's he's definitely more of like uh

[00:06:49] It's uh, Jim Dale is like a cartoony kind of reader

[00:06:51] I think he's reading for kids Stephen Fry is like a grandpa reading to you

[00:06:55] Like he doesn't he doesn't have a he doesn't do voices like Jim Dale does he does voices but not crazy

[00:07:00] Okay, his narration is almost easier to read. I think that's who

[00:07:04] I baby

[00:07:05] See myself like a baby set for this kid back in the day and that's who we listened to because it was just like

[00:07:10] He is um, like a british accent and it's just like the same kind of that and then he the kid got a british

[00:07:17] developer

[00:07:20] I love that because he listened to it every night

[00:07:24] I love it. There is uh, there is one guy though who

[00:07:27] I am falling in love with more and his name is John Voth

[00:07:31] And he read the series for the first time and he did he read it on instagram live

[00:07:36] Uh live so he did all the voices really hard to do and he's like an actor and he

[00:07:42] Like his reading is by far my favorite

[00:07:44] Like I think i've read listened to a few chapters of his and his are unbelievable. It's they're

[00:07:49] They're like a mix of the two. They're not quite as cartoony as dale's

[00:07:52] He does a really good narration, but his voices are like spot on and he like jokes around too like

[00:07:57] Uh among this the chapter that i'm listening to right now is where he's starting to find out

[00:08:02] Uh the centaur's names in the first book

[00:08:05] Oh, yeah, one of their like one of the names is forensic. So he thinks that they're italian so he gives them italian accents

[00:08:14] So I love it

[00:08:16] Um, although I do feel like when you're

[00:08:19] Listening to the book when you're not supposed to know who it is

[00:08:22] There are moments like that

[00:08:23] There are moments where I would be like I think that's someone like this character because of the cartoon

[00:08:28] Yep

[00:08:29] Voice or even just like the line starts with the quote and then you find out who says it like yeah

[00:08:35] Yeah, because I can yeah because of the way they so that would be really tough as a first time reader

[00:08:38] Yeah, I know but it's impressive. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I like dale

[00:08:42] So, uh

[00:08:43] Um, but anyway, we're we'll uh, talk about this a little bit more but welcome to the podcast i'm john

[00:08:49] Jen danny and kristen and this is harry potter on the first time readers

[00:09:06] But last time readers

[00:09:10] Man, this is uh, we're done. No more first time read. That's so weird

[00:09:14] Like the anticipation

[00:09:16] And then it's

[00:09:18] over

[00:09:20] Um, all right. So give me a quick summary of chapter 30 before we jump into it and talk about all of our questions

[00:09:29] Or 36 wow chapter 30 36

[00:09:33] Kristen no

[00:09:35] um

[00:09:37] I mean, it's the it's the ending of the book except the epilogue. So it starts with

[00:09:42] harry waking up again, um

[00:09:45] And kind of realizing that voldemort was impacted by the previous moment

[00:09:51] And he's playing dead and um

[00:09:54] Making friends with narcissa in a weird moment. Well friends is extreme, but you know, um

[00:10:01] And then hagrid carries harry out because

[00:10:06] Voldemort is trying to parade him and uh hurt the morale of the rest of the crew

[00:10:10] Um, you kind of get into the rest of the the drama, you know, um

[00:10:15] Neville comes out and shines being a griffin door through and through being brave

[00:10:19] Um kills nagini the whole thing with

[00:10:24] With the sword of griffin door

[00:10:27] and then um

[00:10:28] Yeah, a lot of action, uh running around

[00:10:31] Leading to the final battle between harry and voldemort in

[00:10:35] The great hall. Um

[00:10:38] It was great and it's kind of quick, you know, yeah, it's a quick thing

[00:10:40] It's like a little dialogue. It just happens like in a few paragraphs that he dies and you're that's it

[00:10:45] and

[00:10:46] I didn't go and reread it. I kind of meant to but

[00:10:49] Is it true nobody else died in that final battle on the good side?

[00:10:54] So harry's like kind of protection of them

[00:10:57] um

[00:10:58] I thought was really cool because there were a lot of moments that

[00:11:01] Still were kind of intense. Uh, mrs. Weasley fighting. Uh, bellatrix and stuff. Yeah, you know scary moments

[00:11:08] Yeah, and her pride was coming through a little bit

[00:11:11] I thought she was about to make the same mistake as maybe i'll amend that a little bit

[00:11:14] I actually don't know and I don't think voldemort could harm anybody

[00:11:18] Ah, but potentially maybe one of the death eaters could but it seemed like the everyone else had like the death eaters and their wraps

[00:11:23] Like the the tides had completely turned. Yeah, and they were

[00:11:28] There was like no chance for the death eaters to beat any of the uh, the other

[00:11:32] Order the phoenix members and even if it wasn't blatant magic

[00:11:35] Um, that's got to hurt morale when harry's alive again

[00:11:39] Okay again

[00:11:41] It's crazy too to me that in this in this chapter when harry comes back alive and he pulls off the invisibility cloak

[00:11:47] um voldemort's still like

[00:11:50] Thinking he's gonna win and like taunting him

[00:11:52] I'm like dude you literally are like owen 20 in the series and you're you're thinking this is going to be the time

[00:11:58] That I kill him, you know

[00:11:59] Please stop. Oh, yeah the master manipulator dumbledore. Yep

[00:12:06] Can you throw that out there or something?

[00:12:11] um, so

[00:12:12] One of the first uh moments in this chapter. Yeah, we'll talk about dumbledore being a master manipulator

[00:12:17] So we're not going to go over every single point like we'll talk about our more general thoughts on the book at the very end

[00:12:22] After we finish, uh the movies and stuff like that

[00:12:25] We'll do like people want to do like a q and a's with you guys

[00:12:27] So we'll do all that then but we'll kind of stick with just the end of the book here. Okay. Yeah

[00:12:33] so one of the

[00:12:35] Beginning parts of this chapter it says um

[00:12:37] It says hands softer than he had been expecting touched harry's face pulled back an eyelid

[00:12:43] Crept beneath his shirt down to his chest and felt his heart

[00:12:46] You hear the woman's fast breathing her long hair tickled his face

[00:12:50] He knew that she could feel the steady pounding of life against his ribs

[00:12:54] Is draco alive? Is he in the castle?

[00:12:58] What do you think of narcissus and the mouth boys?

[00:13:02] They regret everything they've ever done

[00:13:06] Because you're like why does anybody follow them why do the mouth boys follow and finally they're like kind of redeemed kind of whoa

[00:13:13] Oh

[00:13:15] That's a good question are they redeemed to you

[00:13:20] I don't know. I guess she could have said that he's still alive. So that was

[00:13:28] A redeeming quality

[00:13:30] I mean the ending got me in a good mood, you know

[00:13:33] They're redeemed to me

[00:13:35] And in this moment, I feel like I was already

[00:13:39] Kind of ready for it there like the parents are like is draco alive and draco's still trying to kill harry

[00:13:45] But not anymore well, you know what he was i'd have to go back and and see it again

[00:13:53] but like

[00:13:54] I feel like

[00:13:56] draco

[00:13:57] Understood the situation by the end and felt bad. Um, I could see him repeating the same mistakes, but

[00:14:05] He saw that harry risked his life to save him at the end

[00:14:09] Right, maybe not. Yeah, I don't know if it's necessarily like their redemption moment

[00:14:14] But it's at least like, you know, there's a speck of

[00:14:17] Them I think narcissus was always like leaning that way. I think the guys were the ones that were the issue

[00:14:24] Yeah, yeah, because they don't listen to anyone. It's shocking classic. Honestly, it's more like less redemption more like their true colors

[00:14:31] Are just showing where they're all about self-preservation and self-protection

[00:14:35] So I love especially guys and then if they only have one son

[00:14:39] So of course they're like is you alive?

[00:14:40] I love the scene where like everyone's fighting each other and the malphois are just running around

[00:14:44] Yelling draco like where's my son, you know in the final but they like sacrificed him to be

[00:14:50] Oh, no, voldemort. Oh that was a punishment

[00:14:53] Because voldemort knew how important draco was to them because their only son or an only child. Yeah

[00:15:01] And that just shows you don't get involved with these evil

[00:15:06] Dark magic exactly

[00:15:09] There's consequences

[00:15:13] Don't get into the dark side everyone

[00:15:17] Don't be a slithering

[00:15:25] All the extra stuff that's been written you can be proud of you slithering but um, actually I wrote they all left hogwarts

[00:15:34] Oh all the other jealous says let it be known that slithering played its part chorus slughorn stayed back

[00:15:40] Hey one out of oh my goodness, but I guess that's something that's somebody

[00:15:47] I will say one of the one of the people's biggest qualms in the like if people say

[00:15:52] I threw this question out and this is one of the most overwhelming

[00:15:55] Responses that if you could change one thing in the entire series of the books

[00:15:57] What would it be? Most people's are that they would have left a few slithering back to fight in the final battle

[00:16:03] That would have made them feel a little more like a school. Yeah, I agree. I agree like

[00:16:10] They're not just death eaters, which is what I always said and they were yep

[00:16:16] They all left they all left I cannot wait to go over all your predictions too. Oh my gosh

[00:16:22] um, I wrote in the margins, uh that I got choked up here with uh,

[00:16:26] Narcissa and harry really it's funny that I don't think I did in the rest of the final chapter

[00:16:31] But that moment got me a little wow

[00:16:33] Yeah, what was it about that moment? Um

[00:16:36] I think it was similar to

[00:16:39] Lily harry vibes of just a mother's love and that's kind of been a theme from early on so

[00:16:46] Something about it felt fitting, you know, and it was like um

[00:16:51] All the the fighting for power and all of a sudden that didn't matter anymore. It was just about family, you know

[00:16:57] Yeah, seriously

[00:16:59] That's a good scene. I like that

[00:17:02] um

[00:17:04] Do you guys understand why?

[00:17:06] Crucio it didn't affect him why it didn't affect most of the other people in the room explain that to me

[00:17:12] This podcast is gonna be different. You guys just have to explain the end to me now. Um, wait didn't affect who?

[00:17:19] So and none of old more it still has really affected anybody

[00:17:21] He like harry he throws it carries body up with crucio and like sons him up and down

[00:17:26] Right and tries to torture him and harry's not affected by it at all

[00:17:32] I think I thought it was because of ancient magic

[00:17:37] No, I thought because he like sacrificially gave

[00:17:40] Himself up which was kind of putting a spell

[00:17:45] Like it reminded me of lily's spell on him

[00:17:48] But then it was kind of a spell on himself since he had like a horde

[00:17:53] Good horcrux. Yeah

[00:17:54] So it was kind it reminded me of like lily's love spell but like on himself and those he loved

[00:18:01] Yes, so like it extended out to

[00:18:04] Anyone that was fighting for harry

[00:18:07] But I don't know if that's true

[00:18:08] Yeah, I think you nailed it. Huh? Yeah, I think

[00:18:11] I had those kinds of vague ideas

[00:18:14] it felt to me like um

[00:18:17] it was

[00:18:19] harry was rightfully the owner of

[00:18:22] the uh elder wand and so anything done against him with it wouldn't be effective but then it was like

[00:18:28] And then I was thinking harry's sacrifice for people was protecting everyone else

[00:18:32] So I felt like it was some combination of things in my mind

[00:18:35] But I don't know if there's like consensus in the community of what each thing was

[00:18:39] um

[00:18:40] People have had more time to break it down than I have it's uh, so yeah the protection

[00:18:45] His harry kind of mentions this later and I was gonna read this later, but this is like essentially

[00:18:50] why

[00:18:52] This is happening says

[00:18:54] Uh, you won't be killing killing anyone else tonight said harry as they circled and stared into each other's eyes

[00:19:00] Green and red

[00:19:02] You won't be able to kill any one of them ever again

[00:19:06] Don't you get it? I was ready to die to stop you from hurting these people

[00:19:10] But you did not

[00:19:11] I meant to and that's what did it

[00:19:14] I've done what my mother did they're protected from you haven't you noticed that none of the spells that you put them on are binding

[00:19:19] You can't torture them. You can't touch them. You don't learn from your mistakes riddle, do you?

[00:19:25] It's like dang harry's going hard here

[00:19:27] But that the real reason really is because

[00:19:30] Uh harry went willingly to sacrifice himself and even though he didn't die

[00:19:34] He still went like the action of him sacrificing himself in this the whole midst of this casus

[00:19:40] Uh protection on all the people ancient magic. Yeah ancient magic that he doesn't care to know

[00:19:46] Exactly because of his pride his pride was his downfall

[00:19:50] Yeah, that's good

[00:19:53] um

[00:19:55] When voldemort

[00:19:56] And if you guys have any other like in like in between parts for when we're going through this chapter just shout them out

[00:20:02] but when they

[00:20:03] um come back out and they're like voldemort is talking to the

[00:20:07] Whole crew that's assembled

[00:20:10] um, and he silences them and

[00:20:14] The first person to speak says, uh harry potter is dead. Do you understand?

[00:20:19] Now diluted ones he was nothing ever but a boy who relied on others to sacrifice for himself

[00:20:24] Sacrificed themselves for him

[00:20:26] He beat you yelled ron and the charm broke and the defenders of hogwarts were shouting and screaming again until a second more powerful bang

[00:20:32] Extinguished their voice once more

[00:20:35] So this is like the this is why a lot of people ron is a great character

[00:20:39] But i'm curious at this point in the story, which is the end of the story

[00:20:43] Who do you who's uh, like journey did you guys like the most?

[00:20:48] so ron is great here because he's like the

[00:20:49] For he's the first person to chime in and like defend harry in this moment and like the charm breaks because of that

[00:20:56] But well, this is like more of an overarching question

[00:20:58] but who in the entire series has to have you liked as far as their character arc is concerned like

[00:21:04] Who they are as a person?

[00:21:09] They're all really good ones

[00:21:11] Yeah

[00:21:12] But I feel like ron is so consistent

[00:21:15] That

[00:21:16] This is the same thing. He would have done in the beginning of book one

[00:21:19] You know, I feel like they they were so bonded from the beginning that he his character didn't have as much of an arc

[00:21:26] And that's fine because we love him for it and he's great. Yeah

[00:21:29] And even hermione all three of them. No, but she had more of an arc

[00:21:33] Did she yeah hermione did because she learned that there are times you can be a rebel

[00:21:37] You know like there are times you you can break the rules and like she she didn't I wouldn't say she went crazy

[00:21:44] In that direction but at least a little bit we saw moments of that a little more

[00:21:48] Even early on where didn't she lie to mcgonigal to protect her friends? And so we see those little moments

[00:21:54] and harry I think

[00:21:56] like

[00:21:57] learned

[00:21:58] humility and

[00:22:00] to sacrifice and

[00:22:02] He was kind of always doing that. I thought in some ways

[00:22:06] Yes, but I still feel like we saw a lot of growth somehow and then another character

[00:22:10] We didn't see growth would be someone like luna. I love luna

[00:22:13] But I don't think she changed at all. She was the

[00:22:17] She didn't need to she was mature

[00:22:20] Her character arc was years ago. Yeah, but neville is the biggest like

[00:22:24] change from shy

[00:22:27] Scared to bold and brave. Oh, yeah

[00:22:31] And so I think a change like that I think is heartwarming

[00:22:34] Um, don't you do you understand now why I love neville so much and why like he's one of people's favorite characters in the whole series

[00:22:41] Yep, he's so many. He's not even a character. I know in the beginning or in the movie. Yep

[00:22:46] I know the movie is just completely negatum. Oh no, that's why uh, how does it end?

[00:22:52] Do they take them out of even this?

[00:22:54] give him certain things in the movies and we'll talk about this when we hit the movies but

[00:22:59] He does i'll give you this he does chop the head off the snake in the movies nice

[00:23:03] But for people who have seen the movies

[00:23:06] And are only movie fans they see that scene they're like why is that such a big deal that neville chopped the head off

[00:23:11] and for book fans you're like

[00:23:13] For this reason for this reason. It's like so important

[00:23:16] You know, there's like so many important things that avoid why neville had to be the one that chopped the head off

[00:23:20] Why it was so vital for that to happen?

[00:23:23] I'm curious

[00:23:24] But the movie is just you're you're left like why is neville such an important character?

[00:23:28] You know, he's cool, but you know, he's not that great

[00:23:32] But his case progression has been great throughout the whole series

[00:23:36] I feel like molly, too

[00:23:39] Weasley she was like the protective mom and then she's like having all her kids fighting and then she's fighting

[00:23:47] the most vicious

[00:23:50] Villain

[00:23:51] Yes. Yeah. Yeah, this is kind of the moment. So i'll uh, i'll read this line

[00:23:57] Hundreds of people now line the walls watching the two fight voldemort and his three opponents bellatrix and molly and harry stood

[00:24:04] Invisible torn between between both wanting to attack and yet to protect unable to be sure that he would not hit the innocent

[00:24:12] What will happen to your children when i've killed you taunted bellatrix as mad as her master

[00:24:19] Capering to molly's cursed

[00:24:22] dances

[00:24:23] Danced around her when mommy's gone the same way as freddy

[00:24:27] You will never touch our children again. Scream mrs. Weasley

[00:24:31] Bellatrix laughed the same exhilarated laugh her cousin sirius had given as he toppled backward through the veil

[00:24:37] And suddenly harry knew what was going to happen before it did

[00:24:40] Molly's curse soared beneath bellatrix outstretched arms and hit her squarely in the chest directly over her heart

[00:24:46] Bellatrix's gloating smile froze

[00:24:49] Her eyes seemed to bulge for the tiniest space of time. She knew what had happened

[00:24:53] And then she toppled and the watching crowd roared and voldemort screamed

[00:24:57] So, um, this is the scene that i cared for her

[00:25:02] Huh? So did voldemort care for her?

[00:25:05] I know which is I was a fascinating question. I was thinking about today

[00:25:08] Did he actually love her in some way voldemort screams for this i'm like interesting

[00:25:13] It's definitely not like love but it's just some kind of like maybe his most devoted servant

[00:25:17] He's like, oh no bummer. He keeps flipping that

[00:25:20] I know

[00:25:21] Severus

[00:25:23] Barty crouch, I know it goes from one person to the other

[00:25:27] But this was a scene my brother teared up at

[00:25:29] And I remember asking him why and he was like

[00:25:31] This is when his first he read the series when his first daughter was like

[00:25:37] Uh, or was it where his only daughter was like six or seven?

[00:25:41] so he said the the maternal and the paternal instinct here is was just the scene that like

[00:25:46] You know, I was just learning about what this means to be like a father and like have this

[00:25:51] like

[00:25:52] You want to protect your child at all costs and he said when molly stepped up and protected, uh her daughter

[00:25:58] He was like that was a scene

[00:25:59] I related to you the most like how you would do anything to protect your kids

[00:26:03] And he said he was like sitting in the car on his way to the hospital and he was like

[00:26:08] To welling up and tearing up at this one scene. I was like, oh, it's the best. I love it

[00:26:14] I feel once I once she said those words. I was like molly's gonna win

[00:26:18] Even though I was a little nervous, but i'm like a mom like a mama bear fighting for her kids

[00:26:24] You're not winning. There's no you have no shot. Yeah

[00:26:29] No chance yeah molly's molly is like change is good too

[00:26:33] She's one of those characters that you reread and you're like, you know, she's a little annoying at times

[00:26:37] But really she's the one that's like holding half the things together

[00:26:40] And then you get uh creatures

[00:26:42] Um, oh my god, which is one of my favorites. That is so good. I love that

[00:26:47] Yeah

[00:26:48] When he's like

[00:26:51] Leading the march, right? Yeah

[00:26:53] Swarm into the entrance hall screaming and waving carving knives and cleavers

[00:26:58] Um at their head the locket of regulus black bouncing on his chest was creature

[00:27:02] His bullfrog bullfrog voice was audible even above this din

[00:27:06] Fight fight fight for my master defend the house of defender of households

[00:27:10] Fight the dark lord in the name of brave regulus fight

[00:27:13] Like it's such a good moment. Yep

[00:27:17] That's why like and that's what go ahead. No, I'm just gonna say that's what I didn't understand. Like why didn't they all

[00:27:25] Come together and fight against these death. Obviously it worked out

[00:27:29] I was supposed to but all these creatures now are like, oh let's fight against

[00:27:35] The dark lord and the death eaters when they know that they're gonna win

[00:27:41] It's a good point

[00:27:43] It's a good point that there is there is I will say there is like beauty to it where

[00:27:49] So they don't know that harry is alive yet. That's the only thing they don't I thought they did harry still has the invisibility cloak on

[00:27:55] So he's like wandering around. That's why molly is about to like doing doing the battle

[00:27:59] He's under the invisibility cloak thinking about casting a spell, but he can't he only pulls it off like after this

[00:28:06] I love this because

[00:28:08] Even though harry is dead

[00:28:11] And it seems like hope is lost they are still fighting and it seems like they're going to come out victorious like they're winning this battle

[00:28:18] Um, and I love the fact that also they have to lose. Yeah, they're like

[00:28:22] They're back. He's in charge. I'll try and everyone comes out

[00:28:27] They're like, okay no more messing around anymore. The centaurs are out all the people like who are at hogsmeat

[00:28:32] It says we're out the shopkeepers were out

[00:28:35] Um, the house cells are coming out in full force

[00:28:37] It's like but that's why I think my point is that everyone in numbers you guys are so much

[00:28:42] Greater and like the fear that's instilled in people

[00:28:46] if they actually took that away, which is impossible, but

[00:28:51] You wouldn't have to they could have defeated him years ago

[00:28:55] Or when he first came to

[00:28:58] I wonder if harry had died

[00:29:01] If they still would have won

[00:29:03] because in this

[00:29:05] Order of things harry's spell would have protected everyone kind of you know, like giving them a boost at least

[00:29:11] And they did kill nagini

[00:29:13] So as long as they got everyone else and killed baltimore last

[00:29:17] They would have actually been victorious. So I think it's kind of cool. Yeah, but then his elder wand would have won

[00:29:23] Oh, but if harry died though, I guess i'm still wondering if the elder wand would have been

[00:29:28] It would have went to baltimore. Oh, yeah, would it have because harry was the owner of it?

[00:29:34] Apparently probably. Yeah, maybe I still think they could win

[00:29:38] Okay, only because i'm wondering if um

[00:29:42] The elder wand I guess I picture it more one-on-one battles, but if it's against so many people

[00:29:47] Could it be out?

[00:29:49] matched oh

[00:29:50] I don't know like my outnumbered but i'm glad harry didn't have to really die

[00:29:57] Or is this his first death but he had a lot more many more deaths in the chamber

[00:30:03] It does stink that they took so long to come help the centaurs

[00:30:08] The house elves people of hogsmeade. I wanted that old teacher to come back

[00:30:15] Or even nicklas flamel the old person

[00:30:18] Who said that she had given the owl to dumbledore?

[00:30:23] I'm so impressed. I'm like there's something about that older generation. I want some of them to come swinging back

[00:30:27] Um had neville's grandma, but that was kind of yeah, you're right. That was good

[00:30:32] Wait and then the curses were lifted off of people like so neville

[00:30:37] If I heard this correctly are neville's parents not cursed anymore. No, or they went crazy

[00:30:43] Yeah, they're still so they would still be crazy

[00:30:46] It was like the the curses didn't have staying power on people who voldemort was currently cursing

[00:30:51] So he was like, you know cursing people accio because then I was like everyone in the hospital is probably coming out

[00:30:57] That'd be great

[00:30:59] If it was like lion king where all of a sudden there's like a change from like it's like bleak to like everything's in boom

[00:31:03] Like all these people who you torture

[00:31:06] Okay, yeah

[00:31:08] Oh that stinks. Um, it's weird that voldemort stops killing people

[00:31:16] Um when voldemort thought that he had victory and he had harry

[00:31:20] He like was not going to kill anymore and he's kind of talking about the future and there'll be no more houses

[00:31:24] And it kind of made me think they should have already done that

[00:31:27] And it reminded me of what the sorting hat was telling them all to do like books ago and uniting

[00:31:32] And it stinks. They never really did that again

[00:31:35] moment of like

[00:31:36] Uh if they had just united better back in book four when they were still

[00:31:41] Worried about houses even against other schools. Um

[00:31:45] It could have maybe led to a different outcome. Yeah, um, like this is the moment abolish houses right here

[00:31:51] Everyone isn't like the collective hogger its house, you know

[00:31:53] Yep, get rid of that because get rid of slithering right now. Oh, yeah. What what?

[00:32:01] Get rid of slithering yes

[00:32:04] There was only one person or two how many people were there and they were against harry but it was a tainted generation

[00:32:12] Yeah, yeah

[00:32:14] Even though that's mostly snape's fault and I don't understand why um

[00:32:18] I understood well snape was slithering

[00:32:20] Okay, but he off well that's what i'm saying and he was the one in charge

[00:32:23] I just don't get everyone's gonna hate me. I just don't get how you're proud to be a slithering

[00:32:29] No, I will say after okay, so i'll say this after your first read of this book

[00:32:34] No one wants to be a slitherin. Mm-hmm. And then when you get into like the lore the extra stuff that she's written side characters

[00:32:40] It's more cool

[00:32:42] Some of the extra stuff that she's written. Oh, like how she's kind of talked about slither. Like I know about exactly

[00:32:48] Maybe this is just a bad generation this seven years of hogwarts. They were just a bad group

[00:32:52] I was rooting for snape to be good. So there was that but that's it. That's something. Yeah

[00:32:59] Yeah, she should have had more left. Yeah, and it's like it's uh

[00:33:04] yeah, it's more as like character qualities like people who are ambitious and are

[00:33:10] You know

[00:33:11] But I only saw negative mean things come out of that house

[00:33:16] Yeah, that's pretty true. Sorry because it might be one of the more ones that they learned from their leaders

[00:33:22] Yeah, exactly

[00:33:23] It might be one of those that flirt with more danger

[00:33:25] like if you are if you're brave you're gonna just do things like rashly, you know, but you're not dealing with necessarily like

[00:33:31] Issues for them. There's raven claw. That's witty for sure. Yeah

[00:33:36] So that's why not a ton of raven claw state a bunch of raven claw state

[00:33:39] Let's say like half of raven claw state all hufflepuff stayed right all hufflepuff stayed aren't right loyalty

[00:33:45] But like they're ambitious and their ambition can get the better of them. Like sometimes their ambition

[00:33:49] It's like a warning to ambition

[00:33:52] I think a lot of times ambition leads into town like wrong paths

[00:33:56] It leads you to like doing things

[00:33:58] Wrongly or immorally or unless you have a griffin door to call you out

[00:34:03] You know, that's why no houses they need to be yeah

[00:34:06] silos to just like that group thing, you know

[00:34:09] Yeah, but maybe they structured it differently afterwards

[00:34:13] Yeah, maybe they didn't sit at the same house the seats they were able to like, you know

[00:34:17] Go wherever they wanted. Well, they get sorted too quickly. Remember? Yeah, I know that's like a huge line in the series

[00:34:23] Perhaps we sort too too soon

[00:34:26] That should be that I I am kind of with you on that. I feel like they should

[00:34:31] You know

[00:34:31] Everyone should go to hogwarts or should be first second third year dorms and then all of a sudden then you get sorted

[00:34:36] Or something like that, you know

[00:34:39] I don't know

[00:34:41] Then who's in charge of you?

[00:34:43] It's a good question

[00:34:46] You rotate

[00:34:47] Yeah, exactly

[00:34:49] Yeah, that's a really good. There you go

[00:34:53] Then they'd be well rounded there'd probably be no death eaters

[00:34:59] Okay, i'm done

[00:35:03] I actually I um your point is really good

[00:35:05] I feel like there needs to be balance within these houses

[00:35:08] Like I think all the houses need each other and that's why in the epilogue it's like a bummer that you know

[00:35:13] Talk about this later, but that ron is so adamant against slither and still see

[00:35:18] Yeah, I know so like they they've fallen back into the same ruts that they've been in before, you know

[00:35:24] At least I don't want to be slithering

[00:35:27] Oh, but harry was a little more. Yeah, he he did speak a little reason. Well, I mean he's albus

[00:35:33] sephiris

[00:35:36] That's a great name

[00:35:39] The poor kid's gonna get made fun of from his name

[00:35:42] Now what house he's in

[00:35:45] It's a rough one

[00:35:46] um

[00:35:48] What do you think about harry actually offering a last chance for remorse for tom riddle?

[00:35:53] It's classic because he has this yeah, very classic harry. What would have happened

[00:35:58] Yeah, what would have happened had he said? Okay. Let me let me try for some remorse

[00:36:02] Well, there there are no legilimens around that we know of who can actually test this no veritas serum somewhere that they can be like

[00:36:10] Yeah, but I thought that if you something with the horcrux happen right if you actually

[00:36:18] Um are that could be telling our remorse. Yes

[00:36:24] But you're right if there's regret and remorse. Yeah about like one of those things that would be

[00:36:29] That your that you could get like he'lls of your yeah

[00:36:33] So that's why I wondered if he would have

[00:36:36] lived

[00:36:38] Um, yeah, that's it's a fascinating question because in that discussion

[00:36:42] um

[00:36:44] There's like if I I don't think anybody's necessarily tried that but it's theorized that the per it can rip the person apart

[00:36:50] um

[00:36:51] Like remorse. It's so powerful

[00:36:53] That he would have been killed instead of

[00:36:56] Being yeah, it would have killed him like the remorse itself or what he's done

[00:37:00] Think about it if like voldemort looks back on what he's done

[00:37:02] And sees all the evils

[00:37:04] All the evil that he's done and he really considers that

[00:37:10] It could rip him apart

[00:37:12] Like it could heal you if you're doing it in the proper way

[00:37:14] But how many people actually do that in the proper way, you know

[00:37:17] Do we have remorse and like, you know truly feel bad for something that you've done?

[00:37:21] um

[00:37:23] Yeah, it's a fascinating idea

[00:37:25] for

[00:37:26] What regret and remorse mean in the series?

[00:37:29] He is a sociopath. So I he's I don't think he's capable of it. I was thinking that too

[00:37:34] I I can't picture it. Yeah, I can't picture ever being able to like you love that harry is giving him this chance, but

[00:37:41] It's just not possible for him

[00:37:45] Yeah, and harry even tries to

[00:37:48] Product of the love curse

[00:37:51] Yeah, most people say that's why I wonder what's

[00:37:54] Yep, that's a great side theory. Most people think that's why he is the way he is

[00:37:58] Because he was he was like not like an illegitimate son but kind of and like a product of essentially rape

[00:38:04] I think he was using this

[00:38:07] Love potion that's just not you know

[00:38:11] It's a little rough

[00:38:13] She used all the love so he couldn't have any yeah

[00:38:19] It's yeah, it's a fascinating idea

[00:38:21] um

[00:38:22] What do you guys think about the elder wand issues?

[00:38:27] It took me I had to follow that back. Yeah, I mean like reread it. Yep

[00:38:32] I think it's a great idea

[00:38:34] I think it's a great idea

[00:38:36] Yeah, so how does it track so you guys understand where it tracks right?

[00:38:41] Like where they were harry why harry became the master of the elder wand

[00:38:46] Draco disarmed dumbledore

[00:38:49] So you guys are right about that. You nailed that. Yeah, danny got that

[00:38:53] And then harry beat draco. So he became the master of it. He didn't beat him

[00:38:58] He kind of armed him. No, he just took it. Oh, yeah

[00:39:02] So there's a

[00:39:04] Like harry in his head knows that's why this chapter is really interestingly written because harry in his head knows what's going to happen

[00:39:09] He knows that the elder he the elder wand belongs him, but we don't really know it and we're like cautious

[00:39:14] That we're like, is that enough because harry has this line where he says

[00:39:18] um

[00:39:20] Uh, you've missed your chance. I got there first. I overpowered draco weeks ago

[00:39:23] I took this wand harry twitched the hawthorne wand and felt the eyes of everyone in the hall upon it

[00:39:28] So it all comes down to this doesn't it whispered harry does the wand in your hand know its last master was disarmed

[00:39:34] because if it does i am the true master of the elder wand like even harry is throwing this out there like

[00:39:40] Doesn't know who is disarmed like is it serious?

[00:39:44] Exactly. Actually you're supposed to look that way

[00:39:48] Um

[00:39:50] so did it learn in that moment that it was uh

[00:39:53] Nerd

[00:39:55] I love it. And it did I guess it did learn in that moment, which is it brings a whole different aspect

[00:40:00] It learned it or it knew it. I guess it knew it. Yeah

[00:40:03] We don't know how those are two different things work here

[00:40:08] It might have known there might have been a sense a wand uh a wand sense

[00:40:12] It's in it's in voldemort's hand right now and the wand is like, oh it makes me mad that because snape didn't have to die

[00:40:19] I feel like

[00:40:20] That is frustrating just the same reason it's frustrating that it feels like dumbledore's plan

[00:40:25] Didn't work

[00:40:26] with that part

[00:40:28] Like it was like what was the post to work though?

[00:40:31] It was supposed to be that snape got the wand and he didn't

[00:40:35] So again, we're left wondering what was how was that supposed to work?

[00:40:40] And where did it fall apart?

[00:40:43] Yeah, that's weird because like but he knew it didn't matter maybe at that point because

[00:40:47] Again if voldemort is why didn't snake take the wand instead of burying him

[00:40:52] like

[00:40:53] They buried him with the wand and that's why i'm saying when would snape have gotten it

[00:40:59] It's weird. Yeah, weird unless that was all part of the plan and he was hoping voldemort wouldn't find out and snape

[00:41:04] Would go to get it later

[00:41:05] um

[00:41:06] Because snape couldn't have ever been seen with it or voldemort might have known like there there could be reasons

[00:41:11] But we don't hear any of them. Yeah, so we just don't know what the plan was

[00:41:15] But we know that dumbledore was manipulative yes or no

[00:41:22] Yeah

[00:41:27] A little bit a little bit. Yeah, um

[00:41:31] I'm still left at the end. What do you guys think?

[00:41:34] I mean it's it's hugely debated

[00:41:37] So i'm asking you though

[00:41:44] Um, I think he was yes, but I change my mind on this all the time. Yeah, and like there are

[00:41:51] Debates in harry potter land that some people are sold on like

[00:41:55] If you talk if you guys jump in the discord and you have a discussion about whether snape's a good person or not

[00:42:00] You're gonna get chewed apart

[00:42:01] Some people are so adamant on one side or the other not necessarily that is a good person whether he's good or or evil

[00:42:08] um, like whether he's on the right side or the wrong side whether his redemption arc was truly like efficacious or

[00:42:14] Even if he truly loved lily, that's a huge question. Actually, yes

[00:42:17] He should have been up there when we were talking about this earlier. Yeah

[00:42:21] Wait should have been up where what with whatever arc that you're talking

[00:42:26] I don't know these terms

[00:42:28] Yeah, it's true and the the double door he was so consistent. He never changed

[00:42:33] It was only our perception of him that changed. Oh my gosh. No

[00:42:37] But that's how it feels. I just was that yeah where i'm like if he was good that whole time

[00:42:41] No, I think he's just really good at

[00:42:44] Um doing his job for dump

[00:42:47] Yeah, well we did see his arc from childhood. I think it was like

[00:42:51] Well, I yeah, I right he became a death. Yeah, I don't agree with that

[00:42:55] I think he was evil and then I think he got like, um

[00:42:59] Like a wake-up call. It's like do you really want to continue down this path or do you want another option?

[00:43:04] And I think

[00:43:06] He took the other option just like the mouth voice kind of right, but they bother me more. Oh they do

[00:43:12] Yeah

[00:43:14] Draco and the dad I can't i'll just think of them as like

[00:43:18] Yeah, how yeah, I know I think the mom was only like saying one but she had no power

[00:43:25] So she couldn't yeah

[00:43:27] And then isn't her sister right? It's like i'm just thinking of the sister like personalities and stuff and it's like

[00:43:36] You don't want to rock the boat, but then you don't agree with it

[00:43:39] But you can't bring it up sometimes I don't know I know

[00:43:43] The yeah, the ethical questions for all this kind of stuff are fascinating. You can have a whole I know

[00:43:49] Side just side podcast on the ethical questions that come up in harry potter

[00:43:53] For all this kind of stuff for the dumbledore one. I

[00:43:57] I

[00:43:57] love dumbledore

[00:43:59] I think he is a bit manipulative and I think he

[00:44:03] um

[00:44:04] Shut himself off to what he

[00:44:07] Preached his entire life or not his entire life after he

[00:44:13] Um became hardened a little bit from his jilted love

[00:44:17] Because if you look like dumbledore preaches love all the time, does he actually love people? I think he does but and

[00:44:25] He doesn't truly like seem to have friends. He doesn't truly seem to let anybody in or trust other people

[00:44:31] um, he only lets people have certain bits of information which you're like

[00:44:36] Maybe that's the way it had to be

[00:44:40] but um

[00:44:41] Lizzie who's doing season two says this all the time that he says dumbledore thinks he's above the law

[00:44:46] Which I kind of think is the truth

[00:44:48] Like he think which I mean, it's a very hairy mindset. Yeah, really it really is

[00:44:54] Yeah

[00:44:55] Because there's a point to it where if the person thinks they're right in doing what they're doing

[00:44:59] If they're wrong there that has serious like voldemort is like that

[00:45:03] And it could have terrible ramifications if it's dumbledore and if it's a person who's truly like good

[00:45:10] Even though they have tons of issues it's gonna work out and you know, like he's brilliant

[00:45:14] So you're not really worried about it

[00:45:16] but um

[00:45:18] But if you think you're right

[00:45:20] And you're willing to do anything to do what you think is right. Yeah, there's a pride in there for sure

[00:45:27] That's what his brother would say because yeah. Yeah exactly and his own brother knows it

[00:45:31] And his brother is another like kind of good character but with some weird, you know motives and stuff

[00:45:35] But like yeah, then you're saying

[00:45:38] Do you submit to someone else's authority? Even if you think they're telling you to do something wrong and where's the line?

[00:45:44] I don't know and like dumbledore doesn't want to be a soldier. He wants to be the general

[00:45:49] But then he's making these calls and like he's going against the ministry and like keep doing these things

[00:45:53] And again, he's so confident. He's right and it worked out and so he was right

[00:45:58] but I mean it is uh

[00:46:01] He's playing god. It's a little prideful. Yeah. Yeah for sure it can be manipulative

[00:46:05] but if harry's

[00:46:07] Little dream sequence was in his head dream stuff

[00:46:10] Then to me that would confirm the manipulation, but if that was some kind of limbo where dumbledore was

[00:46:18] Then I think that redeems a little bit of that from dumbledore's perspective

[00:46:25] So

[00:46:26] I don't know i'm still stuck with the I think it was in harry's head, but I hope it wasn't

[00:46:31] and this is this is this is going to sound like

[00:46:35] I I kind of think this is a hot take because people are so divisive about certain characters in harry potter

[00:46:40] I truly think there's evil characters in harry potter. Like there are some people who are just pure evil

[00:46:45] Like I think um umbridge is pure evil. I think voldemort is pure evil and I think bellatrix are pure evil

[00:46:52] I think there are

[00:46:54] There isn't like harry is maybe one but like he has so many flaws

[00:47:00] Like every every character in this entire series. I think

[00:47:04] You can argue for them being

[00:47:06] Morally good or morally wrong and like they have so many flaws attached to him dumbledore

[00:47:11] Who is this shining example? Like he's shot down harry is same harry is truly an incredible character

[00:47:18] I love harry with everything in me, but he has some serious flaws

[00:47:21] Like all of our favorite characters just have these flaws that it's so

[00:47:25] It makes for such compelling

[00:47:28] fiction because

[00:47:29] You see yourself in these characters so much more than you do somebody those other characters that are like perfectly pure

[00:47:34] Like you read these like, you know

[00:47:36] Whatever it is like these christ figures and these other novels and you're like that's not really relatable

[00:47:41] You know

[00:47:41] I don't really understand what the character is going through that much because they're like just making the right decisions and everything they do

[00:47:47] It's like harry doesn't make the right decisions in half of what he does

[00:47:50] But he still knows where he needs to go because he still knows what is right

[00:47:54] and he follows through in that so like

[00:47:57] There's a little bit good and evil in everyone. I love this series for that so much

[00:48:04] Because it's true for all like all people

[00:48:07] I don't like the snape debate is like such a big one and

[00:48:11] rhymes

[00:48:13] The snape debate. Yep. Anyways, that was all

[00:48:17] just

[00:48:19] Really like you can talk about the like there's like inside debates for all this kind of stuff

[00:48:24] And i'm like, I think in my minority opinion where I kind of think that he truly did love

[00:48:29] Lily and it's a very minority opinion

[00:48:33] Very minority opinion i'm finding

[00:48:37] It was it was perverted kind of love it wasn't you know obsession when you love someone you can

[00:48:43] Uh, I don't know the brain space for this right now, but

[00:48:48] I just I feel like he he treated

[00:48:51] um

[00:48:52] Harry so poorly because he hated james, but if he claimed to have truly loved lily like it's hard, but you would let it go

[00:49:00] Yeah, for sure. That's what that's what love yeah, you define love by like a selfless love. He did not have that

[00:49:06] He wanted her for himself and he held on to that his entire life

[00:49:12] So it was a selfish love what he wanted. He just knows how good he is. He wanted her to end up with him

[00:49:19] That's a selfish love. No, of course it's prideful and here's the thing

[00:49:22] Yeah, it is selfish but at the same time he was the one that essentially made the ultimate sacrifice. He sacrificed his life

[00:49:30] day in and day out to abide by this plan so that

[00:49:34] Really voldemort would be overthrown. I know he was still horrible. Yeah again

[00:49:39] The second read i'm gonna have to be more aware of uh, yeah of him and I wish we saw more redemption

[00:49:46] In my own mind of james

[00:49:49] Because I still I feel like one of the last images we get is yeah

[00:49:53] It's like he's still being a bully and i'm like

[00:49:55] What's a good guy? How did lily fall for him? Like I would love to feel like I could root for him a little more

[00:50:01] Um

[00:50:02] So it is still interesting

[00:50:04] Because that's part of why I think it'd be telling like if he wasn't a good guy I could see snape

[00:50:10] as

[00:50:11] still being

[00:50:13] Still loving lily seems more accessible. But if he's a good guy

[00:50:18] Then snape then it feels more like obsession. It's like move on she's got a good life. She's happy

[00:50:22] This is like good for her. So I think i'm still left wondering like

[00:50:27] But okay, so and and this is this is one of my uh arguments for this whole thing too is that

[00:50:33] the situation surrounding what like snape was not a good person so like the situations surrounding him made his

[00:50:39] Whatever you view this love or obsession

[00:50:42] Even stranger like the way he had to interact through this whole thing made it really difficult

[00:50:46] Like yes, he should have just laid it down like, you know truly loved and protected harry that would have been true love

[00:50:52] But if you look about it

[00:50:53] Look at look at this like there are certain people who like, you know

[00:50:55] Their loved one will die and they're like, you know, they're married and this is completely different

[00:50:59] But they will not get over that person and we viewed that as romantic completely different circumstances

[00:51:05] I I know these are completely different circumstances, but it's like I even think of uh

[00:51:10] Goodwill hunting when the one uh

[00:51:15] Robbins is like obsessed and he won't even move on from his deceased wife

[00:51:20] Oh, yeah, he's like he can't even take another step and we've viewed that as like beautiful romance

[00:51:26] But will the the guy he's like matt damon. He's like no no, no or not matt damon

[00:51:31] Yeah, that was my yeah

[00:51:32] He's like oh great

[00:51:34] So you're like never gonna live life again and you're gonna just like be miserable on doing this whole thing

[00:51:37] And he realized that in the movie he kind of moves on

[00:51:40] um

[00:51:42] so

[00:51:42] Yeah, the line between obsession versus what romance is is just fine

[00:51:47] And I think this again one of the reasons I love this so much is because you can have these debates in the series because

[00:51:51] The characters are so complex

[00:51:53] Because they're very well written characters and I think she's an exceptional writer

[00:51:57] um

[00:51:59] Like i'm not gonna I can't spoil anything because i'm reading another series right now

[00:52:03] And a decision that someone made at the end of this series

[00:52:06] I still have not gotten over and i'm still upset by it. I think it was a wrong decision and I was like

[00:52:12] It felt justified. It felt like revenge though

[00:52:15] Rather than justice and I was like just doesn't sit well with me

[00:52:19] Does it make sense for the character a little bit or something or making complex? It didn't make sense. It didn't even make sense

[00:52:25] Okay, yeah, it

[00:52:26] Made the character a lot more complex to me

[00:52:29] Like maybe the the right way to go should have been they they

[00:52:33] Didn't do this, but it confused me about who this character was a lot

[00:52:38] Like it was a strange move, but we'll talk about that. Maybe another time. Yeah, we do a series on those

[00:52:45] um

[00:52:46] How did you guys like the end?

[00:52:48] Um of the death of voldemort

[00:52:54] It was very short. Yeah again. I'm like it was so short

[00:52:57] I don't remember even what happened after it happened so like he just kind of fell their limp. It was just like

[00:53:02] really quick

[00:53:04] But in a way, it's fitting

[00:53:06] Yeah harry trying to disarm him instead of killing classic

[00:53:10] Cannon blast golden flames air time because he wasn't worth it

[00:53:16] Yeah, he really doesn't deserve every time that's why I kind of love that it's so short and you kind of like forget it

[00:53:22] Because I like how it doesn't deserve it. Yeah, I like how she

[00:53:26] Described I feel like it was voldemort as like a shriveled up baby in his mind

[00:53:32] Yeah

[00:53:33] So that way in this moment i'm picturing that

[00:53:37] Like i'm picturing him like shriveling up as like this disgusting thing

[00:53:42] In this short description because

[00:53:47] It was described a little bit in the chapter before anyways. I yeah, I kind of like that

[00:53:53] Um, i'm not sure if that was true. No. No it kind of is like it

[00:53:56] It looks like his body was feeble and shrunken

[00:54:00] um

[00:54:01] And then harry says staring down at the empty shell which could mean I guess anything but feeble and shrunken

[00:54:05] It seems like he lost a lot of power and even presence in his death

[00:54:10] Do you wish it was more grand at all

[00:54:12] I like

[00:54:15] That tom riddle hit the floor with a mundane finality

[00:54:19] I think there's something nice that it was mundane, you know, like it's something nice that it was like it was so

[00:54:25] quick

[00:54:26] Yeah

[00:54:27] There wasn't something grand about it. If there was anything grand it was harry. It wasn't him

[00:54:34] Only as as the history books will tell this story and he was so concerned about

[00:54:39] The legend of it all so

[00:54:42] It's nice that he he looks bad in so many layers of this legend

[00:54:48] Um that even in his death, it wouldn't be like the glory he wanted

[00:54:53] It wasn't like he went down and in some epic battle. Um, it's like nope in front of everyone

[00:54:59] A single spell didn't work. It actually bounced back and he killed himself with his own spell

[00:55:03] So it like it kind of is nice that it was it was uh, I don't know

[00:55:07] It's nice that it was it was uh, like a weird little ending and mundane and quick and he killed himself

[00:55:13] Yeah, it's like he just kept trying to fight harry pride got in the way like I think it's it's nice that uh

[00:55:20] That is funny that it is so lame kind of yeah, it's kind of gratifying. Yeah

[00:55:26] And like they just kind of like I forgot what it it's kind of poetic

[00:55:30] Yeah, honestly how like pride and all of those things

[00:55:33] Can slowly kill you? Yeah. Yeah just for life

[00:55:37] Right, like you're like even in voldemort's mind if he died he would want him to die in a grand way

[00:55:42] You know like he blows up and like everyone's watching in awe

[00:55:47] But no you died like everyone else died. You're like a normal person dude

[00:55:52] Everyone dies and when they die their body just hits the ground in a mundane thump

[00:55:57] He never thought he was gonna die. Yeah, seriously. He wasn't ready for it

[00:56:02] I kind of wish with the horcruxes. He would feel something when each one

[00:56:07] Got destroyed. Yeah slowly weakening him. But again, it was his pride. So even if he did feel something

[00:56:13] He could have suppressed it or ignored it. Yeah, he he I think he started feeling them toward the end

[00:56:18] I think there was a especially with harry when he tries to kill harry. He thinks he killed harry. He falls back and he sends

[00:56:25] um

[00:56:26] Uh the mouth voice uh narcissa to go check up on him because I think he's still paranoid

[00:56:31] He's like something happened to me. Oh, he didn't realize that he was part horcrux. I guess

[00:56:36] Mm-hmm

[00:56:38] Yeah, like it it was good

[00:56:44] Um, what are your thoughts on just the end of this chapter?

[00:56:47] Like harry mending his own wand

[00:56:50] The idea of the halos. Oh, that was so cool. That was so great

[00:56:55] So much happens. I loved when he takes the wand just to use it to fix his wand. Yeah

[00:57:01] And then he never wants that wand to be used

[00:57:05] I love it and the stone disappeared in the woods. It's in the woods somewhere could be some sequels made out of that one

[00:57:12] But then he's gonna keep the cloak right? Yeah, he's gonna keep the cloak. I love that luna even like ushers him away

[00:57:19] That's like a great moment. Yeah, that was really sweet. I'd want to like be alone if I were you, you know, right, right

[00:57:25] I'd want some peace and quiet if it were me

[00:57:28] 54 good people dead fred tongs lupin collin crevy and 50 others

[00:57:33] That's a lot of people did you count it? No, it says that

[00:57:36] Yeah, I counted them all i've had a tally

[00:57:39] That wouldn't have been surprised. So 54 that that honestly is a lot of people. Um,

[00:57:45] I felt like it was um

[00:57:48] People were true to their characters in the end. Um, like ron and harry and hermione talking about like

[00:57:57] The end of it all I guess

[00:57:59] Do you find this is maybe a weird question do you find it dangerous that harry is just going to put the the wand back in

[00:58:07] Dumbledore's tomb like let's say this

[00:58:10] Harry goes on because the lore is harry goes on and becomes an oar

[00:58:15] Let's say, you know, he's in some random battle with someone and they they just disarm him

[00:58:19] Does that person then just randomly become the owner of the elder wand?

[00:58:23] like almost there's a point to it where harry should just like, you know walk into hogwarts right now and say like

[00:58:29] I don't know like

[00:58:32] Seamus come here and disarm me real quick and Seamus unknowingly walks away the master of the elder wand

[00:58:38] Wow, and like it says a little like yep

[00:58:39] Just as like no one knows at this point who the master of the elder wand is rather than there's like this

[00:58:44] Linear story behind it right because it could be dangerous if someone someone

[00:58:49] learns about this thing and they learn that Dumbledore had this wand and it passed down and

[00:58:53] Harry literally announced it to every student there and wand makers spend their lives studying to try and figure out where this is

[00:59:01] It's very trackable. Yeah for sure

[00:59:02] Well, we say no one knows but like literally the Malfoys were there in that room and they heard it

[00:59:06] So like if they're plotting some kind of upheaval

[00:59:09] They just go to the the uh, you know, like in the train station

[00:59:14] He just goes up behind him and says like, you know expel yarmus to harry and harry's wand flies out of his hand

[00:59:19] Draco then goes to hogwarts gets the elder wand and reads avic, you know

[00:59:23] I just feel like this whole generation wouldn't want to touch it. Yeah

[00:59:27] They've seen the damage of but even that though

[00:59:30] That's this generation. So no, I know i'm saying maybe in the future

[00:59:34] Does it just lose all its power?

[00:59:36] Like we had kind of hoped would happen with Dumbledore or something else or is it then just eager waiting for the next person to come along?

[00:59:43] Yeah, like

[00:59:45] Again destroying it seems like a better idea than just leaving it around

[00:59:48] And if you're gonna like get rid of it get rid of it like hide it for real not like this

[00:59:56] Or put it in a place where you can put a lot of spells and charms for good and

[01:00:00] It should be like that, you know, like adults play like tag with each other like over years

[01:00:04] It should be that every time you see one of your friends you disarm them

[01:00:07] So when all of you die, no one knows what happens

[01:00:10] It's like completely shrouded in mystery

[01:00:13] Yeah, I actually forgot that

[01:00:15] That's what harry did with the wand that feels

[01:00:19] Not good enough, but I secretly like it since I was looking for all the loose ends that could create further stories

[01:00:24] And that's a big one. I know and the resurrection stone just being dropped in the in the forbidden forest, too

[01:00:29] Yep, another huge one. Yeah, they're gonna do excavations of that years from now

[01:00:33] The sorting hat had the I just processed the griffin door the sword of griffin door

[01:00:39] Yeah

[01:00:39] But didn't what's his name?

[01:00:42] No, what did it?

[01:00:44] No the elf not the elf what did the guy in the bank

[01:00:49] Have it yes

[01:00:51] Oh, this sword appears to any worthy. I know what happens to the goblin all of a sudden disappears

[01:00:57] I hope yeah, I guess so. I hope that it disappeared. I hope it flew out the window and slipped the guy

[01:01:07] Chopped his head off. It's flying through great britain just lobbing people's heads off

[01:01:12] Seeking out some justice along the way

[01:01:16] Um

[01:01:18] Yeah that that he doesn't know where it is. I guess he's just lost it

[01:01:21] um interesting

[01:01:24] And does severus snipe get a headmaster portrait?

[01:01:29] Oh, i've actually never thought about that. That's my question on the drive. I was like

[01:01:34] We're like, oh well harry can talk to dumbledore in the portrait

[01:01:39] But then I was like wait does snake pot want?

[01:01:42] Probably not no, I would say he's got it

[01:01:45] I think the only thing I was saying in the car is that

[01:01:47] He wouldn't have as much time with it compared to dumbledore to let it actually take on his personality

[01:01:53] That was based on what you had said john earlier

[01:01:55] And one of the like they sit with it so that it learns

[01:01:59] Them because it's not it isn't them. It's a representation of them

[01:02:03] And it becomes better and better over time, but snape did not have that long

[01:02:08] As I just thought it was interesting because it stinks that like the truth comes out when he can't

[01:02:13] Yep, and that would be a way that they actually could talk it out a little bit which I thought would have been nice

[01:02:20] So yeah, I was wondering

[01:02:23] I'm looking that up right now

[01:02:26] Whoa, I stumped him again

[01:02:28] Even in the end all my weird questions that have never been asked

[01:02:33] Just quote unquote I gotta go to reddit for this one assumed it was too soon after snape's death

[01:02:47] Wow

[01:02:48] Someone said joe has said that because snape ran away abandoned his post that he didn't get a portrait

[01:02:54] Question is snape's portrait in the headmaster's office joe

[01:02:57] Some have been asking why hasn't snape's portrait appeared immediately

[01:03:01] It doesn't the reason is that the perception in the castle itself and everyone who was in the castle because snape kept

[01:03:07] His secret so well was that he abandoned his post

[01:03:10] So all the portraits you see in the headmaster study are all headmasters and headmistresses who died

[01:03:15] It's like british royals. You only get good press if you die in office

[01:03:20] Abducation is not acceptable particularly if you marry an american

[01:03:23] She says i'm kidding

[01:03:24] I digress I know because I thought uh this one through because it was very important to me

[01:03:29] I know harry would have insisted that snape's portrait was on the wall right beside dumbledore's

[01:03:35] Fascinating

[01:03:37] Even though the other portraits knew

[01:03:39] Because it seems like he was talking it out with them. And so they were yeah

[01:03:43] Wait, the other portraits knew what that snape was good

[01:03:46] It seems like uh phineas was helping him phineas nigealis right and dumbledore and a few like the portraits were aware

[01:03:53] So that's why if it was up to them, he probably would have a portrait

[01:03:57] But according to jk, it sounds like it was coming from

[01:03:59] More of the general school energy or something else whoever the peas where peas comes from it comes from like the what the school recognizes

[01:04:07] So I guess he duped he was so good at duping people. He duped even the school

[01:04:11] He duped even ancient mad the ancient magic of the school. Look at that

[01:04:17] Wow full circle

[01:04:21] I want a portrait of him. I know I kind of do too

[01:04:25] I thought you were just gonna say you want a portrait

[01:04:34] Maybe it helped me make decisions

[01:04:44] What do you think I should do in this situation, I don't know what do you think I should do in this situation? Oh my gosh

[01:04:49] Probably right. Yeah

[01:04:51] Shut up

[01:04:55] Where'd we go? I don't know where you want to go

[01:04:58] Uh, what other questions you guys have in this chapter before we hit the epilogue?

[01:05:04] Or overarching questions in the story

[01:05:10] Let me look I was making a list of future uh books that jk can write for us

[01:05:16] But a lot of them were based on just um questions. I had like not holes in the story, uh loose ends maybe

[01:05:22] Um

[01:05:25] Yeah, um like grindlewald

[01:05:28] Oh, I was hoping crook shanks will be mentioned at the end never saw another crook shanks

[01:05:33] And was

[01:05:34] Snape a vampire or a bad amegas? I guess not but like when he flew away. I just I thought that would be addressed somehow

[01:05:42] So you are and danny you're entering the realm right now

[01:05:44] Both of you guys are entering the realm of like this is where some of it gets really fun because

[01:05:48] No one knows some of the answer for answers for these definitively so you guys come up with headcanon on your own

[01:05:53] Right back contributes to the story and you will post some of these on reddit and people will debate these for eons

[01:05:59] For why they think he's a bat or a vampire why they don't think he is like

[01:06:03] Is he like me? I don't know if there's like a legitimate question, but there's probably a question out there asking

[01:06:09] Is snape an animagus?

[01:06:11] Like did he become an animagus somehow? We just don't know. Is he an unregistered animagus?

[01:06:16] I guarantee you on reddit somewhere someone has laid out an argument for why they think snape is an animagus

[01:06:21] Because he wanted to follow james in them. Yeah, so everything becomes so he copied them and

[01:06:27] Potential canon at this point. So this is when it gets fun

[01:06:31] Looking for more yeah, um, I mentioned Nicholas Flamel

[01:06:37] Time turners

[01:06:39] Oh the the death veil

[01:06:41] One a future book harry potter and the veil of death

[01:06:45] Harry is older working as an auror and connects with an old friend. Who's an unspeakable

[01:06:49] They investigate the death veil

[01:06:51] And harry falls in discovers that uh

[01:06:55] The people on the other side of the veil are only people who have been killed unjustly

[01:06:59] Um, they're in limbo the same limbo that dumbledore was in dumbledore was waiting to investigate things with harry

[01:07:05] Oh my gosh start cracking fan fiction out danny

[01:07:08] And then people can either come back as ghosts or stay in limbo so that way we could uh

[01:07:14] Yeah, we could learn more about that realm and the stone and because harry has a horcrux in the form of voldemort's body

[01:07:19] Since we don't know what happened to it. Even though the blood's not blood anymore. It still could be a horcrux. Um

[01:07:25] That allowed him to pass through the veil

[01:07:27] um

[01:07:27] I can come back alive

[01:07:29] Is that what you mean? Great. Um, yeah, so also department of mysteries

[01:07:33] I felt like those little brain things I thought we're gonna see again and then the room of prophecies another book the department of uh

[01:07:40] mysteries minority report where they there are all these open-ended prophecies that they have to try and close before they bad things happen like

[01:07:48] If this happens then this this this will happen. So they have to look at all these open-ended prophecies

[01:07:54] And I just wanted to know more i'm like i'm like

[01:07:57] Who made all these prophecies? Yeah, and where are they and who like?

[01:08:01] We don't regard anything in that realm to be truthful

[01:08:05] Except for one prophecy and we don't hear a single other one, but the room is packed

[01:08:09] So i'm like that's not a series of seven books right there. Yeah

[01:08:14] Also harry's kids some great ideas you need to hold on to these

[01:08:18] Ron and hermione's kids explore hogwarts with specific knowledge from their parents

[01:08:22] They enter the room of requirement and find maybe that's what harry put on a few magical objects that were not destroyed by fiend fire

[01:08:28] Yep, and those objects could be port keys or powerful somethings that lead them on adventures

[01:08:34] Wow, that's so fantastic

[01:08:37] um, it's like

[01:08:39] Also another loose end fudge he had an army that I think luna was the one who told us out grain assault

[01:08:45] But she mentioned an army. It never came back. So another book when I mentioned it fudge is old and withered and

[01:08:52] Fiendish but he's a bad old wizard and he uses his army. Um, anyways

[01:08:57] Oh in the larger world, we never left great britain. I would love to see more with egypt albany brazil

[01:09:03] us magic in different countries would be really good because you could just make the the stakes bigger and bigger and that kind of happens and

[01:09:09] things but um

[01:09:11] Maybe harry put on the cursed child

[01:09:14] Yeah, I don't know where they go with the rest of the books but

[01:09:17] um

[01:09:19] I did feel like there were open-ended things. Um, not that open-ended also

[01:09:25] Also hagrid and m&m

[01:09:27] Come on

[01:09:29] Can't they mention something? So that's the stuff. I like that's open-ended like I I actually

[01:09:34] Um, like I love that

[01:09:37] The epilogue has just enough information that we can kind of piece things together. Yeah

[01:09:41] Yeah, but like not enough she's written a ton about some of the extra stuff that happens. Oh awesome. Okay

[01:09:47] Neville ends up

[01:09:49] marrying hannah abbot like he's a professor hannah abbot is the uh,

[01:09:53] Um, new rose murder she's the new like matron of uh, three broomsticks. She's trying to become a healer

[01:10:00] So she's trying to work at st mungo

[01:10:01] So she's like come up with extra stuff about this and like that's can is so cool anything that she's written

[01:10:05] So like wizarding world has all this like where is she writing this like little short stories?

[01:10:10] Yeah, it used to be a lot of short stories

[01:10:11] It used to just be quite q and a's like people would ask her something and she'd like come up with some kind

[01:10:15] Of article on it or something like that. So she has written a ton extra stuff, but she hasn't like synthesized these into like

[01:10:21] Like one-off stories, she's just like i've written the seven that she doesn't need to I know

[01:10:27] You're lucky you get these little extra things

[01:10:29] I feel like and I was gonna say if things fade out a little they quiet down

[01:10:34] Then in another 10 or 20 years she could write more books

[01:10:37] How many years has it been now?

[01:10:39] They're never gonna quiet down because the show's gonna come out and they're doing this new audio. Hello

[01:10:43] Universal is like well, yeah, of course

[01:10:45] So

[01:10:47] I'm afraid she might just get a little tired of it. Yeah, it's like yeah, she's like I did my part. Okay

[01:10:53] Um, I created a world that's never ending. She's voldemort

[01:10:58] And she set parameters for this world so like we can kind of like that's why fanfic

[01:11:04] it's not completely canon, but it's like just fun because

[01:11:07] He there's fans who are going down these journeys and like writing their own like little stories about what's happening. And yeah

[01:11:12] Um, I don't get how you write out seven books with all this detail though. I know I mean and so many characters

[01:11:20] Yeah, oh, yeah so many different like

[01:11:24] complexities in them

[01:11:27] She could still sell the rights at some point disney will make a whole series. Yeah, actually it'd be universal but um

[01:11:34] That could easily ruin it too so yeah for sure

[01:11:38] It finished really well. I liked it. Yeah

[01:11:41] Yeah, the epilogue again, there's there's uh, just like a few little fun things that happen in the epilogue but

[01:11:46] Um, like you learn about professor mclongbottom neville. Yeah

[01:11:51] scorpius

[01:11:53] albus severus

[01:11:55] Yeah, albus severus. Wait, what's scorpius? Uh draco's son. Oh wow, and I love that. Uh ron's like

[01:12:03] Uh, don't befriend that person. Uh granddad weasley will never forgive you if you marry a pureblood

[01:12:08] You're like, yes, there you go. Oh man. Love that

[01:12:12] But what are your then it was like rose and hugo. Yeah rose and yeah, hugo random names

[01:12:18] Yeah, they do seem random. You're like why rose is

[01:12:22] Another flower name. So that's kind of a lily. Yeah, that's the lily petunia vibe but

[01:12:29] It's ron and hermione. So the only thing I could think of is that

[01:12:32] Hermione with her history books there's someone in the history that she loved and she's like hugo

[01:12:40] And those could be grandparents. We don't know anything about and like the family at all. Yeah, hugo could be her dad, you know

[01:12:47] Yeah, it could be and rose could be oh did hermione ever undo the charm for her parents?

[01:12:53] No, they're still in australia

[01:12:56] Living their best life. Yeah

[01:12:58] Hey, they're not living their best life

[01:13:00] They don't know they have their daughter and grandkids

[01:13:03] imagine if they go off and they have another kid and hermione ends up having like a sister who's a

[01:13:07] Who's a witch another side series. That's a cool idea

[01:13:11] Yeah, that's really cool. That's a witch

[01:13:15] Oh my

[01:13:17] Interesting

[01:13:19] I like that they fast forward percy discoursing on broomstick regulations

[01:13:25] I know percy never changes. I like that his scar never hurt again

[01:13:30] Yeah, I like that's how he can tell yeah, I know and all is well the ending of the book

[01:13:36] Guys now we can go to harry potter trivia night somewhere. We gotta find one goodness. They're like everywhere

[01:13:41] I feel like we uh, we still have to watch the other when I was searching previously

[01:13:46] But yeah, that's so great

[01:13:49] It's not gonna give away in movies

[01:13:53] No, i'm saying some of the movies might be in the trivia. Oh, it's like as we book only

[01:14:01] Well, no, there's definitely movie only trivia probably but i'm sure they mix it up

[01:14:05] Yeah, it probably would be everything. I think if we go to a books only trivia

[01:14:08] There might be people there who are next level. I can see it like we we know

[01:14:13] I know harry potter. Yeah, i'm telling you there are people like the people on our discord right now

[01:14:16] Like they're next level that would come with us. I know I think yeah, we'll take you guys on a journey with us

[01:14:22] We wear them in an earpiece, I don't know how that would work

[01:14:25] That's cheating. That's a great idea, but we're coming as a team and they're part of the team

[01:14:33] A team of yeah all the listeners

[01:14:37] Um

[01:14:41] So you want to go to a movie harry potter trivia because you'll

[01:14:44] Rock it but not a book one because no, I think we'll rock a book one too

[01:14:48] I think we'll be very good. But like book ones are just

[01:14:51] Just so funny they're the trivia for some book ones like uh, the super carlin brothers do book trivia

[01:14:57] And they come up with some niche ones

[01:14:59] I'm sorry very difficult ones to answer like even uber harry potter fans are the ones because you can pull out random stuff

[01:15:05] Like yeah

[01:15:06] Uh, there is what was the color of their shoes? Yeah for sure. Yeah true

[01:15:10] Yeah, any like little memorizing details or like who is the like, I mean maybe you'll know this who was the astronomy professor?

[01:15:18] Danny

[01:15:21] I feel like i'd know it if I heard it, but no, I don't think I could pull it out. Wasn't it the center?

[01:15:26] Nope

[01:15:27] No

[01:15:28] I think it was sinistra

[01:15:30] Oh, yeah, that sounds right. I might be wrong sinistra might have been a different but like that

[01:15:35] That might be the the questions on trivia. Yeah. Yeah, right. You know, it's too difficult

[01:15:40] Those people that know that how many times they read the book

[01:15:44] Books

[01:15:45] Way more than me

[01:15:48] But that's like

[01:15:50] Never mind, but I think different things resonate with different people, you know, yeah

[01:15:54] Um, so that's why you have a good trivia team

[01:15:56] You got people to cover all your bases

[01:15:59] um

[01:16:01] Teddy teddy lupin, you know just just uh the adopted child snogging, you know

[01:16:07] victorua victua victuar

[01:16:11] Their cousin that's pretty funny. Yeah. James and victor are not cousins note that they are not cousins

[01:16:17] But

[01:16:20] Yeah, there's like I wish they described what he looked like like who?

[01:16:25] talks and

[01:16:26] Yeah, what oh, yeah, you're right. They didn't even mention it because I would have loved to have known like was he kind of

[01:16:32] I think he could change his appearance a little bit, right?

[01:16:34] That's what they said with the baby. And then what about where like werewolf will he have any of that?

[01:16:39] It sounds like he didn't but I wish they touched it upon

[01:16:43] I know that would be nice

[01:16:46] But like you got just enough that it's like, okay, that's kind of satisfying. Yeah, see them, you know

[01:16:50] You're like, oh this is kind of nice. That's why i'm like happy with it. Yeah

[01:16:54] And like you'll learn otherwise i would have killed you after seven books

[01:16:59] It ends terribly voldemort wins. I'm never never do this again

[01:17:04] This was a waste of my time

[01:17:07] I like that hagrid is still at hogwarts. Yeah, he invited them to tea. Yeah, I love that. Does he ever age?

[01:17:14] He's a giant he doesn't age no i'm asking is does he they don't age do they

[01:17:20] We don't know not a lot of information. Well, you way you said it is like you do know

[01:17:24] um, I well it's it's headcanted for me

[01:17:26] I had I had no idea but

[01:17:29] We have that would be cool. We had a hagrid's kid in there too with m&m

[01:17:34] Oh, wow. Yeah, that would be cool and she could be you know, like skittles. I feel like um

[01:17:39] Um

[01:17:42] Oh my gosh, I feel like they should have had uh, some of the other schools come to help, you know

[01:17:46] Durmstrang pulls up come to help what yeah, really like there's a boat that pops up, you know, like yeah

[01:17:52] It would have been cool against voldemort. Yeah. Yeah just to again the it stayed very local

[01:17:58] It was really great britain. It seemed yeah, they don't want to get involved

[01:18:02] Yeah, but that's why there's a lot of room if this was a marvel thing

[01:18:05] The next would be like all of europe and then the next movie would be

[01:18:08] Another continent and the next movie would be the whole world and then we go into space and so i'm glad she didn't go crazy

[01:18:14] Like that and she really kept this like a great story that like concluded well

[01:18:19] there is a there is a uh

[01:18:22] A magic school on mars called pig farts

[01:18:29] No, i'm just kidding there's a

[01:18:32] Um a musical called the very potter musical a very harry potter music color

[01:18:37] And that's like a complete joke

[01:18:39] It's like but it's so funny funny that they there's though

[01:18:43] There's a guy or there's a girl who plays draco and she's the funniest person in the entire

[01:18:50] Play and she's like

[01:18:53] I can't wait till uh, she's like all she wants is a rocket ship so she can go to pig farts

[01:18:58] Master rumble roar who's a lion

[01:19:02] They make this whole elaborate thing. It's so funny. It's so out there

[01:19:07] I like it. Um, yeah

[01:19:10] That's great it's tough to operate, you know

[01:19:13] Well, you guys got uh, you guys got anything else in the uh, epilogue?

[01:19:18] No, that was it for me

[01:19:20] Some of those little things we had throughout the books were so funny

[01:19:25] I know operating what noise do they make? Oh, yeah true with their butt. I know no resolution on that

[01:19:31] We had some good podcast moments. How do we know we might hear it and you're right. We'll see in the movie

[01:19:36] Um, I thought it was interesting that harry called

[01:19:40] um

[01:19:40] Snape the bravest. Yeah of all the words brave interesting. Yep

[01:19:45] Um, he's the bravest man. I know because you got made fun of as a coward

[01:19:49] So I feel like he was redeeming that quality of him

[01:19:53] Because that was one thing that yeah, that makes sense. Oh, okay. Yeah

[01:19:58] You're looking at me. It just feels maybe not

[01:20:03] The most accurate

[01:20:06] Um, but it is super brave. Yeah, like being there in front of the dark lord with like

[01:20:11] Trying to fake it and do all that. Um

[01:20:14] And I don't know what word would be better because is he the most loyal slice to lily maybe lius? Yeah

[01:20:21] He's the best ocklemans. I ever knew

[01:20:23] Right, right. Yeah, there it is

[01:20:25] um, so bravest, you know, I don't mind it

[01:20:29] Yeah, the the names

[01:20:31] Everyone has problems the names not only because he's gonna get made fun of for being named albus albus severus, but just because like uh,

[01:20:40] You know, where's fred in the whole mix why not name your son fred, you know, right like

[01:20:46] Tired of name picking and she's just like let's just repeat these

[01:20:51] Um, there's lots of debate for how harry was ridiculous to name his son severus

[01:20:55] Which is was like he was an abusive person toward him

[01:20:59] And it's a little crazy, but now he has both the manipulator and the abuser in one

[01:21:07] Yep

[01:21:09] um

[01:21:11] And then lily and jay, I feel like maybe people didn't fully believe harry's story

[01:21:16] About how everything went down and didn't believe that snape was good. So this is like a way for harry to

[01:21:22] Um, I think it's a good thing that he

[01:21:26] Profess it in a in a more profound way saying no

[01:21:29] He is so good so much so that i'm gonna name my son after him

[01:21:33] So it's just another public way of declaring it. Um, but I don't know

[01:21:38] Because after all that what about believe snape was good if harry comes along

[01:21:41] Yeah, but you're saying that all the portraits knew about snape. So then all the professors would know about snape

[01:21:48] In this world are kind of terrible

[01:21:51] They don't know how to write good stories. Yeah, well that's

[01:21:56] Maybe came around

[01:21:58] True

[01:22:03] Um, but we'll we'll discuss uh some of the more overarching

[01:22:07] Questions like the final we'll do like a final podcast with some other questions that people want to ask you guys too

[01:22:13] But anything else in that blog?

[01:22:18] No, that's it for me

[01:22:21] Um, all right, give me your final

[01:22:25] Hot tamale

[01:22:26] housecup favorite moment

[01:22:29] Oh these two chapters just these two we'll give a final final one very end

[01:22:37] Hot tamale molly weasley in that chapter. Yeah

[01:22:42] Against bellatrix. Yep

[01:22:45] So hot such hot energy. Yeah

[01:22:47] favorite character

[01:22:49] That's hard harry

[01:22:53] Yeah, yeah, he deserves it lots of honorable mentions, but yeah, he does deserve it

[01:22:59] the

[01:23:00] favorite moment

[01:23:03] when

[01:23:04] baltimore dies

[01:23:06] But I honestly I liked when all the kids are together like 19 the epilogue when it's like fast forward and yeah

[01:23:12] all the kids

[01:23:15] Or the

[01:23:16] Everyone's coupled off with who you hoped they would end up with

[01:23:21] And then their kids are friends and they're going off

[01:23:24] to hogwarts

[01:23:26] Yeah, that was a good moment. Yeah, the epilogue is kind of just nice. I do like the epilogue. Yeah

[01:23:33] It feels more conclusive something about it soothing

[01:23:36] Yeah, the creature moment hit me the most this time around. Oh, that was good. I love creatures creatures whole

[01:23:43] He was a good curve too. Yeah

[01:23:47] Character curve I like it

[01:23:49] Um, yeah, I like the harry reveal the taking off the cloak. I feel like that was good

[01:23:54] Neville cutting nagini's head off. Oh, yeah satisfying

[01:23:59] There's so much yeah, and I think even yeah valdmort's death was

[01:24:04] Satisfying in a lot of ways

[01:24:06] But it was so fast that I feel like the it was all the lead-up moments that had a little more up to them

[01:24:12] I like how we always call him tom riddle in the whole section

[01:24:14] Oh, yeah, I wish he had done more of a dumbledore reference with like calling him tom

[01:24:19] Yeah, he kept saying riddle

[01:24:21] Which is like classic slither and stuff I guess but it's still I liked it I know

[01:24:27] That was it's like one of the best lines ever it was foolish for you to come here tonight tom

[01:24:31] Oh, it's about to go down

[01:24:36] That line that you pointed out too I didn't catch them mundane like the way he died

[01:24:42] Yeah

[01:24:44] He's not special

[01:24:46] But he thinks he is but he's not yep

[01:24:49] and he was kind of special but

[01:24:52] Not that way. Well, he was he was very powerful but

[01:24:56] It's not enough

[01:24:57] love wins

[01:25:00] That's yeah, it's a series right there love wins

[01:25:02] Well, thanks for joining us on our journey of harry potter and the first time readers always

[01:25:10] Always love wins here we go

[01:25:21] Wow, we finished the books guys

[01:25:24] Well, I never thought I would finish these books. It's kind of how I'm saying

[01:25:27] Oh

[01:25:29] Or start it to be fair

[01:25:32] I was gonna one day just watch them

[01:25:37] Both good good