Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Ch 29-32

[00:00:00] Welcome to the podcast. I'm Jon. I'm Lizzie. And this is Harry Potter and the First Time Readers, Second Time Reader. We have one more podcast over this. I'm gonna still mess it up. Yikes. Okay, we're doing 28 through 33 today. It's like a lot of good stuff in these chapters. How'd you like them? It was good. Wait, I didn't read 33. I read to 32. I mean 32. Yeah. 28 to 32. Yeah, sorry.

[00:00:40] Um, I was laying in bed last night at like 11 o'clock and I opened this book and I was like, oof, this is a big job. 11 o'clock you started it? Yeah. What time did you go to bed? I don't know. I just like fell asleep during the battle and then I set my alarm so that I had like extra time this morning to finish it. Wow, dedication. It was great. I know. I felt like I was like cramming for finals or something. That is incredible. But it was very enjoyable because it kept me.

[00:01:10] It kept me up for like hours, I guess. And yeah, they're like a lot is going on because this is a whole battle. Yeah. And then it ends with like the Elder Wand part. So and the room of requirement, which is exactly what I was talking about. You know a lot of your predictions. I didn't, I don't think I ever said it was that crown. But I was, you were convinced it was in the room. I was good on the requirement. And then you texted me that one crazy prediction that you had. Oh yeah. Like way

[00:01:40] back in the, that was only in the order of Phoenix, I think. But I didn't even know what Horcruxes were. And I was like, maybe he needs to destroy it with the sword. Like he does with the fang. So that was cool. I'm feeling a little bit better about myself. But yeah, I remembered there being other people in there and I just like couldn't pinpoint it. And it was Malfoy Crabble. Yeah. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. The first chapter 28 is

[00:02:09] the missing mirror in which, what do you find out in this chapter? Um, that what's his name? Yeah. Averforth is still like around in Hogsmeade, I guess. Like that you can have access to the school, but then he's the guy in the mirror. If you reread this, you're going to see all there's like small little references to Harry goes into the Hogshead in the Order of the Phoenix.

[00:02:40] And he sees a barman that looks vaguely familiar to him, but he doesn't know who. So she's like, she put hints in this that is Aberforth. Nothing like, like explicit. That was his first time meeting Aberforth though, right? Yeah. He's seen him before, but it's the first time like officially meeting him. Yeah. That was wild. Right? Yeah. I don't know if I ever said that, but cause I think it, I feel like I didn't say this cause it's so meaningless, but I had a memory.

[00:03:06] Of them being in the street and somebody like dragging them inside a building. But like, that was like, I don't even think I said that cause that's the entirety of what I remembered. And it was so pointless. That could have been at any point in the entire series.

[00:03:16] But that was that. So I did remember that. Didn't remember his Aberforth. And then Neville is like fully, uh, like running the show.

[00:03:27] Yeah. The DA. He's like all beaten up, scarred, but he's, he's running the whole thing.

[00:03:31] He's cool now. I like him.

[00:03:32] So proud of Neville. He's got some great, uh, lines in this and some, even as like grandma coming.

[00:03:39] I love that. For a second, I thought that the portrait was going to open and it was just going to be like Dumbledore standing there.

[00:03:47] What's up guys. It was me the whole time.

[00:03:49] Yeah. But it wasn't.

[00:03:51] Um, Neville instead.

[00:03:53] In the missing mirror, Aberforth gives like a little bit of a deeper understanding of Dumbledore's family and like what happened.

[00:04:02] What'd you think about that whole thing? Did you trust Aberforth?

[00:04:04] You think this is a real story?

[00:04:06] I really like Aberforth.

[00:04:07] Really? Yeah.

[00:04:08] Nice.

[00:04:09] Probably equally as much as Dumbledore.

[00:04:12] Wow.

[00:04:13] One chapter of Aberforth. That's it for you.

[00:04:16] I just think he's a cool dude.

[00:04:17] Yeah. Honestly, he's got a fun job. Like a little, little barman.

[00:04:21] He's just been like hiding out kind of like, he's so low key that like, why would you be lying about this?

[00:04:26] Like you, if you're here the whole time, you could have like had a whole, you could just like convince everybody that comes in your bar of this and you just don't talk about it ever.

[00:04:34] Yeah. I felt like it was just like a rant all of a sudden. He's like, I've never had anyone to talk to. Here's the entire story. And I don't know. I kind of want to believe him. He's uh, he's kind of like living the life that I want to live. Just like a quiet little life. Like working as like, you know, he probably owns and operates this thing. Not doing a ton. Just like living a quiet life. Like very peaceful.

[00:05:02] Not the goat thing. Definitely not the goat thing. But definitely just like his life other than the goats.

[00:05:10] I can see that. Um, but yeah, I like, I like Aberforth too. Um, after he talked about this, what do you think of Grindelwald?

[00:05:26] What do we learn about Grindelwald in this though? That like they were fighting and then that's like somebody killed the sister.

[00:05:34] They don't know really who. And then he says Dumbledore never forgave himself, which you could probably see.

[00:05:42] Like Grindelwald should just let it go.

[00:05:44] Yeah, I know.

[00:05:46] I don't know. I mean, I didn't like him in the first place.

[00:05:49] I don't think so.

[00:05:52] He's a, yeah, he's a little shady. Everything that he was doing, it was a little, a little really ridiculous, but.

[00:05:59] Yeah, but then like Dumbledore should have been able to like get out of that sooner.

[00:06:04] Yeah.

[00:06:04] Like he should not have let it go that far.

[00:06:06] Yeah. And then, uh, Dumbledore definitely carries that with him for, I feel like the rest of his life.

[00:06:11] There's a line in, um, there, there, he speaks a line in another, in another movie and one of the other, other movies where he says, um, what is it?

[00:06:26] Like forgiveness is like a bomb.

[00:06:29] I've been told.

[00:06:31] Or like, he doesn't even believe he like, hasn't really like forgiven himself or like he said something like that.

[00:06:35] Forgiveness of yourself is like a bomb or something like that.

[00:06:37] And then he just says, I've been told because he hasn't really ever forgiven himself for what he's done.

[00:06:42] Even though he doesn't even know if he was one that, you know, cast the spell.

[00:06:48] That's why I kind of like Aberforth is he's more removed from that whole situation.

[00:06:55] Yeah.

[00:06:55] And he was like, apparently a really good caretaker and like loved his family.

[00:07:01] So.

[00:07:02] He's a little quirky, but he definitely like has the right priorities in life.

[00:07:06] Yeah.

[00:07:07] I feel like this whole book, this whole series is like a bunch of people who are vying for power.

[00:07:11] And then it's like the people who don't want power that I admire sometimes the most.

[00:07:16] Like Harry, who's he doesn't really care for power.

[00:07:19] Aberforth, who just like wants to like be with his family and care, care about his family.

[00:07:23] Like those are great people in this series.

[00:07:27] I love them.

[00:07:27] I agree.

[00:07:29] Did you have anything else in the chapter?

[00:07:31] There's not a ton.

[00:07:31] There's just a reveal of Aberforth being the person in the mirror and then Neville coming

[00:07:37] at the end, which is great.

[00:07:40] No.

[00:07:41] Yeah, that was it.

[00:07:42] Chapter 29 is a lost item.

[00:07:45] What's a quick summary of this one?

[00:07:49] This is when they get into Hogwarts and then they start searching for the thing, the crown.

[00:07:56] Right?

[00:07:57] Gotta read something.

[00:07:58] Oh, and like the whole DA kind of like reconvenes.

[00:08:01] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:08:02] Like Cho and other people start coming.

[00:08:06] Yeah.

[00:08:07] And this is, yeah, this is when they figure out what they kind of have to do and like where

[00:08:10] this other thing is.

[00:08:11] And they're trying to look for it and trying to figure out where it could be.

[00:08:13] They know what it is, but they don't know where it is.

[00:08:17] Yeah, like they just know it's in Hogwarts.

[00:08:19] Yeah.

[00:08:19] And then everybody's like, why can't you take us with you?

[00:08:22] Like we're here to help.

[00:08:23] We're Dumbledore's army.

[00:08:24] Yeah.

[00:08:25] He's like, I can't take you.

[00:08:26] But then he finally figures out, oh, you can fight the battle and be in a war for me

[00:08:32] while I go.

[00:08:33] Yeah, right.

[00:08:33] I'm going to go to the scavenger hunt.

[00:08:34] What did you think about that whole thing?

[00:08:35] Because isn't that, to me, that's like, would you, if you're in Harry's position, tell

[00:08:39] everyone what they, what really they need to do?

[00:08:43] Like, would I tell them what I'm doing?

[00:08:46] Yeah.

[00:08:47] Like Harry with the Horcruxes and everything that he's doing.

[00:08:50] Should Harry just blad out and be like, okay, this is, this is what we need to find the,

[00:08:54] you know, the diadem of Ravenclaw because Voldemort put part of his soul on it.

[00:08:57] So we have to destroy this thing in order to defeat him.

[00:09:00] Honestly, yeah.

[00:09:02] Because anybody can kill a Horcrux.

[00:09:05] Yeah.

[00:09:05] Harry needs to make it to kill Voldemort.

[00:09:09] But I guess like Harry wouldn't, if Harry dies, Voldemort's not dying anyway.

[00:09:15] But like to have 50 people or whatever amount there is, being able to look for the Horcrux,

[00:09:21] it's like, you're gonna increase your chance of success there.

[00:09:25] And if anybody can do it, it's like, yeah, why not let everybody go?

[00:09:31] But he's like-

[00:09:31] Or he can then sit back and be safe and then be like, you go kill the Horcrux, I'll go

[00:09:36] kill Voldemort.

[00:09:36] But he would never do that, I don't think.

[00:09:38] Yeah.

[00:09:38] And he's like casting that.

[00:09:39] He's like, you guys all march out of the battle, like prep the castle for war and I'll

[00:09:44] go look for this thing.

[00:09:45] That's crazy.

[00:09:46] Which is a little weird.

[00:09:48] I kind of understand that Harry is being secretive here and he doesn't want to like, you know,

[00:09:52] communicate these things.

[00:09:53] This is very part of his character.

[00:09:56] He needs them though.

[00:09:58] They wouldn't get done if-

[00:09:59] Yeah.

[00:10:01] They weren't helping.

[00:10:02] What do you think about all the kids that are rebelling right now?

[00:10:05] So they're even talking about like, you know, there was like a funny line with Gran.

[00:10:12] Neville says, the thing was, he faced them and Harry was astonished to see that he was

[00:10:17] grinning.

[00:10:17] They bit off a bit more than they could chew with Gran.

[00:10:20] Little old witch living alone.

[00:10:21] They probably thought they could, they didn't need to send anyone particularly powerful.

[00:10:25] Anyway, Neville laughed.

[00:10:26] Dollish is still in St. Mungo's and Gran's on the run.

[00:10:28] She sent me a letter.

[00:10:29] He clapped a hand to his breast pocket of his robes telling me she was proud of me that

[00:10:33] I'm my parents' son and to keep it up.

[00:10:36] That's so cute.

[00:10:37] Yeah.

[00:10:39] Morale is very high in the DA, which I was kind of surprised about.

[00:10:43] Seriously, yeah.

[00:10:45] And they're like, as soon as he comes back, somebody's like, we're loyal to Dumbledore.

[00:10:49] We're loyal to you.

[00:10:50] And I was like, that's crazy.

[00:10:52] Like, it just is like, that's the next step that they were all expecting.

[00:10:55] Like, they were waiting for Harry to come.

[00:10:58] He's going to do something crazy.

[00:11:00] We're all going to help.

[00:11:01] And that's like how it goes.

[00:11:03] And like, they're literally getting unforgivable curses against them.

[00:11:08] And they're just like willing to take it.

[00:11:10] Which is incredible for them.

[00:11:12] Like, what the DA has become at this point is a pretty remarkable thing.

[00:11:15] Like, how strong these people are.

[00:11:16] Yeah.

[00:11:17] I think they're...

[00:11:18] It's a SWAT team.

[00:11:19] Yeah, seriously.

[00:11:20] They absolutely are.

[00:11:21] Like, they've become very, very mentally and like emotionally strong.

[00:11:28] Like, Neville being able to kind of like carry the banner for all these guys.

[00:11:32] And their spirits definitely do get like lifted when Harry's there.

[00:11:35] But these guys are all incredible.

[00:11:39] Yeah.

[00:11:40] And Dean, Luna, and Ginny were not even there.

[00:11:43] Yeah.

[00:11:43] They just joined.

[00:11:45] Or not, they rejoined.

[00:11:48] And they had it equally as hard.

[00:11:50] Just in different places.

[00:11:52] Yeah, exactly.

[00:11:53] Yeah.

[00:11:53] So, it's crazy.

[00:11:55] Yep.

[00:11:57] Um, yeah.

[00:12:00] They, uh, they, they, they kind of figure out the, the diadem.

[00:12:05] They were like looking, trying to figure out where the diadem could be.

[00:12:08] Um, and they don't really come to the realization it could be in the room of requirement here.

[00:12:12] But you know that it's in the room of requirement.

[00:12:14] So.

[00:12:16] Voldemort really thought that was just him.

[00:12:18] Right.

[00:12:19] That's insane.

[00:12:20] Isn't that nuts?

[00:12:22] How did he figure that out?

[00:12:24] Like, by accident?

[00:12:25] Or did he figure it out purposefully?

[00:12:26] Purposefully and that's like what's different is that everybody else finds it accidentally.

[00:12:31] I don't know.

[00:12:32] That's actually a good question of how he, how he would find out about the room of requirement.

[00:12:40] He might have found out about it accidentally, but maybe he heard like, I don't know.

[00:12:43] He definitely didn't hear rumors of it because it was, it was something that he thought he alone knew the secrets of.

[00:12:49] Like, I feel like his, his knowledge of the castle was just next level.

[00:12:54] Like maybe he was like sensing the magic.

[00:12:57] Yeah.

[00:12:58] It could be something like that.

[00:12:59] Yeah.

[00:12:59] Cause I feel like if you earned your way into it and like you actually did magic to find it, that's more like you would brag about being so smart or whatever.

[00:13:08] And everybody else is like, Oh, I need a bathroom.

[00:13:11] And then it's like, boom.

[00:13:11] That's very true.

[00:13:12] So I don't know.

[00:13:13] He's got like a metal detector, but like a magic detector going around and like he finds like a concentrated dose of magic at that door.

[00:13:21] And Dumbledore definitely knew about it.

[00:13:23] Yeah.

[00:13:24] I mean, all the teachers knew like that, that's, this is the biggest shortcoming of Voldemort is his pride and thinking that he's like privy to all this knowledge.

[00:13:31] And like, he's the only one that has like all these incredible things, but like he's, he, I don't like, I would be very curious what the room requirement looked like when he stashed his thing in it.

[00:13:43] If it was still full of like all objects, it had to have been.

[00:13:47] Is it just empty?

[00:13:48] But why would you think nobody's been there?

[00:13:51] Agreed.

[00:13:51] If there's a ton of stuff, maybe he thought it was like all, I don't know, discarded stuff in the castle that goes in like a trash can and all ends up there or something like that.

[00:14:00] Maybe he just thought it was the dump.

[00:14:02] That's my question too.

[00:14:03] Like if you, if you see tons of stuff at this location, why would you not think that people haven't been there before and that you're the only one that knows about this?

[00:14:11] Unless if maybe he like invented the magic of the room of requirement.

[00:14:17] Nope.

[00:14:18] I don't think so.

[00:14:19] Why is that not an option?

[00:14:21] Because the room requirements existed before, before he was there.

[00:14:24] Like he wasn't the one that created it.

[00:14:25] One of the founders created it.

[00:14:26] I think they say Helga Hufflepuff was the one that created it or something like that.

[00:14:30] So it's been there for the existence of the entire existence of the school.

[00:14:33] But this dummy's over here thinking that he's the one that is like the smart guy.

[00:14:38] Yeah, exactly.

[00:14:39] The ego's talking.

[00:14:43] Yeah.

[00:14:47] And this is where, wait, is this where Ron and Hermione go to the chamber?

[00:14:52] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:53] They go to the chamber in the next chapter or maybe even the one after that.

[00:14:56] But yeah, what do you think?

[00:14:57] What is your thought on that?

[00:14:59] I thought that was cool how they just like thought of that themselves and then.

[00:15:03] Agreed.

[00:15:04] Just destroyed it.

[00:15:05] Not even talking to Harry about it.

[00:15:07] They just knew what they needed to do.

[00:15:09] Yeah.

[00:15:09] And then Ron is like able to speak in parcel time.

[00:15:13] I can't.

[00:15:14] Kiss of his dreams.

[00:15:15] I can just picture him hissing and be like, this is what you sound like.

[00:15:18] Yeah.

[00:15:18] So I did that.

[00:15:19] The movies portray that really well.

[00:15:21] I think the movies do a great job of that because they actually give you like the scene

[00:15:25] of them in the Chamber of Secrets.

[00:15:27] And like that's like their first kiss or something like that was there after Hermione

[00:15:31] destroys it.

[00:15:33] It's like really cute.

[00:15:34] I thought the fangs were like, is there not just like two fangs on a snake?

[00:15:42] Yeah, this snake seems to have rows of teeth.

[00:15:47] Like rows of fangs.

[00:15:48] And one would already be used.

[00:15:50] Yeah.

[00:15:50] So you have one.

[00:15:51] Yeah.

[00:15:52] And they just sit there for like five years and then.

[00:15:55] That's a great question.

[00:15:58] How many fangs does.

[00:16:03] Because I feel like they'd need to be fresh too.

[00:16:07] Is it the venom in them or am I making that up?

[00:16:09] Is it literally just the fang?

[00:16:11] No, I think it's the venom in them.

[00:16:12] Because that I feel like would be non-existent at this point too.

[00:16:19] Yeah.

[00:16:19] Bacillus had, I guess, two main fangs and then a bunch of little fangs and the, that are just

[00:16:24] teeth.

[00:16:26] Or fangs just teeth.

[00:16:27] Baby teeth.

[00:16:28] Yeah.

[00:16:28] A little baby teeth.

[00:16:29] Exactly.

[00:16:29] Do those count?

[00:16:30] Those don't work?

[00:16:32] I guess those work.

[00:16:33] You need big teeth?

[00:16:35] You probably need the big ones.

[00:16:36] That's funny.

[00:16:37] Concentrated dose of poison.

[00:16:43] Lots of, someone's saying lots of snakes have many teeth.

[00:16:45] I did not even know that.

[00:16:46] I thought all snakes said two little things.

[00:16:48] That was about it.

[00:16:50] I guess.

[00:16:52] The more you know.

[00:16:53] Yeah.

[00:16:54] Um.

[00:16:55] And then Harry does another unforgivable curse.

[00:17:00] I think that's this chapter.

[00:17:01] Or, wait.

[00:17:02] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:04] No.

[00:17:05] It ends with the Karo guy.

[00:17:08] Yeah.

[00:17:08] Like, turning around and like, ah-ha.

[00:17:11] But.

[00:17:11] And that's where, yeah, that's where Harry's about to do it, yeah.

[00:17:14] Which is the next chapter.

[00:17:15] So, the sacking of Severus Snape is the next one.

[00:17:18] And this is where they sack Severus Snape.

[00:17:20] They start preparing for battle, pretty much.

[00:17:22] All these, all these chapters are like one big chapter, essentially.

[00:17:26] They're just, they just go from one thing to the other.

[00:17:28] I know.

[00:17:28] I feel like there's so much, like if we went line by line, I feel like we could talk about

[00:17:33] a lot.

[00:17:33] But like when you look at it as a whole, I'm kind of just like enjoying the story.

[00:17:37] Yeah.

[00:17:37] And it's like, let's just keep going.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:39] Honestly.

[00:17:39] I feel like these are like the most important chapters, almost the things that's happened.

[00:17:43] And then we're spending like five minutes on them.

[00:17:46] But.

[00:17:46] But honestly, it's fun because you're like looking at the story.

[00:17:49] And again, I think this is kind of what happens when you get lost in the story.

[00:17:52] Like you come up with all sorts of predictions and character studies on other people early

[00:17:55] on.

[00:17:56] And then now it's just like, you know, in the previous chapter, it was like, oh, isn't

[00:18:00] it cool that, you know, Aberforth was the guy that was in the mirror?

[00:18:03] Yeah.

[00:18:03] The next one you're like, isn't it cool that, you know, it's the Helena Ravenclaw's, you

[00:18:07] know, lost item.

[00:18:08] Where do you think that is?

[00:18:09] It's the answer to the next chapter.

[00:18:10] So there's like more revelations.

[00:18:13] It's like the.

[00:18:16] Ending the story.

[00:18:17] Yeah.

[00:18:17] Like, I don't know.

[00:18:19] Stopping all the theories.

[00:18:21] Yeah.

[00:18:21] And the next three chapters that you read will be the long discussions.

[00:18:26] They each kind of will be centered around one character.

[00:18:30] And.

[00:18:32] Each chapter respectively.

[00:18:34] Yeah, pretty much.

[00:18:35] OK.

[00:18:36] So that'll be like the real fun stuff.

[00:18:39] I think those are the those are the three chapters that everyone thinks is unanimously

[00:18:43] the best three chapters in Harry Potter.

[00:18:44] Like the crux of the story right there.

[00:18:46] Goes out with a bang.

[00:18:48] Mm hmm.

[00:18:48] Goes out in a bang.

[00:18:50] I know the the final things that I know are coming is like Harry and Dumbledore in that

[00:18:57] white.

[00:18:58] OK.

[00:18:59] It's like, is this a dream?

[00:19:02] He's like, I think he says, like, even if it is a dream, like, why is it?

[00:19:07] It's like not real.

[00:19:09] Yeah.

[00:19:10] Wait, I could probably think of it.

[00:19:12] But then I just remember, like.

[00:19:15] At the end, there's like the little revisiting of the trio and they're like all together and

[00:19:22] like Ginny and Harry are together.

[00:19:25] Ron and Hermione.

[00:19:27] But that's.

[00:19:28] All I know.

[00:19:29] That's all I know that's coming.

[00:19:31] I think more people die.

[00:19:33] I don't remember who.

[00:19:35] I don't remember how Voldemort dies.

[00:19:37] Sad.

[00:19:38] Yeah.

[00:19:39] That's it.

[00:19:40] All right.

[00:19:41] It's going to be fun.

[00:19:42] It's going to be fun.

[00:19:42] Oh, is it like, is this real?

[00:19:44] And he's like, or is it a dream?

[00:19:46] He's like, is this you guys?

[00:19:47] Is this real or is this just happening out of my head?

[00:19:50] Oh, and he's like, why does that make it not real?

[00:19:52] Yeah.

[00:19:52] In your head?

[00:19:53] Yep.

[00:19:54] Look at that.

[00:19:55] Look at that.

[00:19:56] It's all coming back.

[00:19:57] We'll be able to dictate everything in the next chapter.

[00:19:59] We're like, I remember it perfectly now.

[00:20:01] I'm sure.

[00:20:03] What do you think about the Harry using Crucio in this chapter?

[00:20:07] I love it.

[00:20:09] Whoa.

[00:20:10] I absolutely love it.

[00:20:13] I.

[00:20:13] Yeah.

[00:20:14] I just think it's really cool.

[00:20:15] I think it needs to be done.

[00:20:17] I think it's awesome that he does it in front of the other students, too, because it's

[00:20:22] like they can see that he's taking it super seriously and like he's kind of grown up as

[00:20:28] a wizard.

[00:20:30] And like, that's how like that's what it's come down to.

[00:20:33] So and then it's like the most terrible people ever, too, that he's doing it to.

[00:20:37] Yeah, for sure.

[00:20:38] Kind of awesome.

[00:20:38] Yeah.

[00:20:39] And he does it in front of McGonagall to protect McGonagall.

[00:20:43] And I love McGonagall.

[00:20:45] So.

[00:20:47] I love it.

[00:20:48] Why do you not love it?

[00:20:49] This one seemed a little I actually love this one written in there because it makes

[00:20:54] Harry a human and like, you know, he's not perfectly in control of all his emotions.

[00:20:59] Yeah.

[00:20:59] You've seen that in the entire series.

[00:21:01] I actually do really like this because for that reason.

[00:21:03] But.

[00:21:04] I was just editing the podcast where we were talking about the ethics of like using evil

[00:21:10] to fight evil on the difference between vengeance and justice.

[00:21:13] And this one just seems.

[00:21:15] I like go back on what I've said so many times.

[00:21:18] Yeah, for sure.

[00:21:19] I changed my mind like every other chapter.

[00:21:22] We can make a podcast about all the amendments that we make our opinions on this.

[00:21:26] But the idea that Harry's using here, I like it because it makes it more human.

[00:21:30] But I don't like it because he's resorting to pretty gross means against his enemies.

[00:21:35] Do you think he'd be like what else could he have done in this situation?

[00:21:38] Oh, like stun them.

[00:21:39] What would you have done?

[00:21:41] And like, like do the same thing, stun them, tie them up, put them in a dungeon, let them

[00:21:48] just sit there until the battle's over and they can stand trial.

[00:21:52] But I think it kind of gives permission to everybody else to start using them.

[00:21:56] And in a war, like everything's fair.

[00:22:00] I mean, yeah, we're in like we're talking about.

[00:22:05] Yeah.

[00:22:06] What are the rules of war?

[00:22:08] But because the death eaters, you know, are going to come in and be abracadabra.

[00:22:13] But if you're if you're using these ugly spells, how does that make you better than your opponent?

[00:22:20] It doesn't make you equal.

[00:22:22] Yeah.

[00:22:22] So that's what I'm saying.

[00:22:23] So the good side needs to not use those.

[00:22:26] They need to do what is right by the law.

[00:22:30] Disadvantageous.

[00:22:31] Huh?

[00:22:31] Disadvantage.

[00:22:32] Yeah.

[00:22:33] Like you stun people.

[00:22:34] But Voldemort's not following the law.

[00:22:37] So agreed for sure.

[00:22:38] So it's war.

[00:22:39] It's different.

[00:22:39] I'm not I'm not necessarily like, you know, a pacifist with all this stuff.

[00:22:42] So you got to do what you got to do.

[00:22:44] But Avada Kedavra is just an ugly curse.

[00:22:46] Crucio is an ugly curse.

[00:22:48] Imperius is an ugly curse.

[00:22:50] Like I don't like I maybe they could use Avada Kedavra.

[00:22:54] But the only issue with that.

[00:22:57] What?

[00:22:57] Because that one?

[00:22:58] If you're using.

[00:22:59] Yeah.

[00:23:00] Because this is like it is a war.

[00:23:05] You're not trying to torture someone because I associate like torture with like.

[00:23:12] You're enjoying someone else's pain, which seems wrong.

[00:23:16] I feel like the good people shouldn't do that.

[00:23:18] And then Imperius where you're like controlling someone against their will.

[00:23:22] So like I'm like, OK, if you're going to do it, Avada, like you said in one podcast,

[00:23:26] like death is a mercy or something like that.

[00:23:28] Death is a kindness.

[00:23:29] Yeah.

[00:23:29] I think Peaky Blinders, whatever you said.

[00:23:33] Yep.

[00:23:36] In this situation in war, it like these if these people are trying to kill you, you try to kill

[00:23:42] them back.

[00:23:43] But you don't try to like capture them and then torture them.

[00:23:46] Like Harry using Crucio here.

[00:23:48] It makes sense in writing because he's not going to kill someone.

[00:23:50] But it's a little crazy still.

[00:23:52] So I don't know.

[00:23:55] Agree to disagree.

[00:23:57] I totally get what you're saying.

[00:23:58] I just think like it's scarier to just go full send to Avada Kedavra.

[00:24:08] Because who knows if those kids have ever even done an unforgivable curse.

[00:24:13] And like Imperio was the first one that Harry did, which I think is like the calmest one.

[00:24:17] And he used it pretty chill.

[00:24:19] Like he was just like making people move around.

[00:24:22] Yeah.

[00:24:22] But I don't know.

[00:24:25] Like those kids wouldn't even do that.

[00:24:26] I don't think.

[00:24:29] Yeah.

[00:24:30] Agreed.

[00:24:31] Agreed on that.

[00:24:32] Is he not?

[00:24:32] Oh, is he in Ravenclaw right now?

[00:24:35] Because I was going to say he's in Hufflepuff.

[00:24:38] Yeah, right?

[00:24:39] He's doing it.

[00:24:40] No, he's in Ravenclaw.

[00:24:42] Again, it just seems strange to me because it's different from like using a weapon.

[00:24:46] Avada Kedavra, you have to really mean it.

[00:24:48] So when these kids, I don't even think that these kids could cast Avada Kedavra.

[00:24:52] Because it's like you have to truly want the other person dead.

[00:24:55] Oh, yeah.

[00:24:56] I think there's so much fear.

[00:24:57] Yeah.

[00:24:58] Harry might be the only one who can do it because he actually has like the pent up hatred for this.

[00:25:02] For sure.

[00:25:03] Like I think some of them would probably be able to do it.

[00:25:06] But I just don't think that's like the ideal.

[00:25:08] I think, you know, Expelliarmus, stun them, take their wands.

[00:25:11] And what are they going to do after you take their wands?

[00:25:14] You know.

[00:25:16] Nonverbal spells?

[00:25:18] Yeah.

[00:25:19] Do you need a wand for nonverbal?

[00:25:21] Your wand channels your magic.

[00:25:22] You do need your wand.

[00:25:24] But people who are unbelievably skilled can do wandless magic.

[00:25:29] Wagadoo, which is the African school, teaches wandless magic.

[00:25:31] Which is like pretty impressive.

[00:25:34] Unless he's tearing apart his buddy over here.

[00:25:37] What?

[00:25:38] Sorry.

[00:25:39] I don't know.

[00:25:39] I thought it was cool.

[00:25:41] And McGonagall didn't even say anything about it if I remember correctly.

[00:25:49] Oh, she said that was foolish.

[00:25:54] But secretively, she's glad to see him.

[00:25:57] What did you think of...

[00:25:58] So there's three teachers who kind of pop up in this.

[00:26:03] What do you think of McGonagall and her duel with Snape?

[00:26:07] When does she...

[00:26:08] Oh, in the...

[00:26:09] And he like jumps out the window?

[00:26:11] Yeah.

[00:26:12] A Snape...

[00:26:12] He's like a bat.

[00:26:13] A Snape-shaped hole in the window?

[00:26:16] I was like, that's not how that works.

[00:26:18] I'm confused.

[00:26:19] Like, he's flying like Voldemort is?

[00:26:22] Like, he just jumps out and can fly?

[00:26:23] Or does he turn into a bat?

[00:26:25] Or like...

[00:26:25] My dude can fly now.

[00:26:26] Voldemort taught him some tricks.

[00:26:28] That is awful.

[00:26:29] I did not need that in my life.

[00:26:32] But he just flies off into the Shrieking Shack, I guess.

[00:26:37] Okay.

[00:26:39] And he flies off in like search of Voldemort.

[00:26:41] And then in the end of that, in the end of 32, then he's in the Shrieking Shack with Lucius.

[00:26:45] And he gets Lucius out.

[00:26:47] And then they have the whole dialogue and discussion.

[00:26:50] But...

[00:26:50] What was their dialogue?

[00:26:52] About the Elder Wand?

[00:26:54] No, McGonagall and Snape, though?

[00:26:56] McGonagall and Snape didn't really have a dialogue.

[00:26:58] They didn't really talk.

[00:26:58] Like, just kind of dueled.

[00:27:00] He just kind of like knew it was over.

[00:27:02] Yeah.

[00:27:03] Snape was like, if anybody knows where Harry Potter is, turn him in immediately.

[00:27:06] And McGonagall's like, no way.

[00:27:07] We're not doing this.

[00:27:08] Yeah.

[00:27:08] And she's the true headmistress.

[00:27:10] Yeah, yeah.

[00:27:11] She's ours.

[00:27:12] I know.

[00:27:12] My allegiance is with her.

[00:27:18] There's some characters also that I want to ask if you trust them.

[00:27:22] Do you trust Slughorn?

[00:27:26] Sure.

[00:27:27] I don't know.

[00:27:28] Like, he's very...

[00:27:30] I don't...

[00:27:34] Yeah, that's my answer.

[00:27:35] That's a good answer.

[00:27:37] He seems like he's nervous.

[00:27:39] Like, he would like to avoid this entire situation if possible.

[00:27:45] Yep.

[00:27:45] But I think when it comes down to it, I think he's gonna be on the good side.

[00:27:52] Okay.

[00:27:54] And...

[00:27:55] Yeah, I don't see him switching over to Voldemort.

[00:27:58] Because, like, just his past of, like...

[00:28:01] Slughorn was already running from the Death Eaters in Voldemort.

[00:28:05] Mm-hmm.

[00:28:07] So, I feel like he would just do that again.

[00:28:09] Yeah.

[00:28:09] I don't think you'd want to, like, join them.

[00:28:11] Mm-hmm.

[00:28:12] So, yeah, I would trust him.

[00:28:14] Okay.

[00:28:15] From a distance.

[00:28:16] Keep it up at arm's length.

[00:28:18] No, I think he's gonna be fine.

[00:28:20] Yeah.

[00:28:21] How about this line where it says, there was a scuffling and a great thump.

[00:28:26] Someone else had clambered out of the tunnel, overbalanced slightly, and fallen.

[00:28:30] He pulled himself up in the nearest chair, looked around through lopsided horn-rimmed glasses,

[00:28:35] and said, am I too late?

[00:28:37] Has it started?

[00:28:38] I only just found out.

[00:28:39] So, I...

[00:28:40] Percy spluttered into silence.

[00:28:42] Evidently, he had not expected to run into most of his family.

[00:28:45] And they, like, have, like, a staring contest.

[00:28:48] And he goes, I was a fool!

[00:28:49] Percy roared.

[00:28:50] So, Elliot, Lupin nearly dropped his photograph.

[00:28:53] I was an idiot.

[00:28:54] I was a pompous prot.

[00:28:55] I was a ministry-loving, family-disowning, power-hungry moron, said Fred.

[00:28:59] Percy saw it.

[00:29:00] Yes, I was.

[00:29:02] Well, you can't say fairer than that, said Fred, holding out his hand to Percy.

[00:29:05] Mrs. Weasley burst into tears.

[00:29:07] She ran forward, pushed Fred aside, and pulled Percy into a strangling hug, while he patted

[00:29:12] her on the back, his eyes on his father.

[00:29:17] What do you think of Percy's coming back?

[00:29:19] I was surprised.

[00:29:21] Oh, yeah?

[00:29:21] Yeah.

[00:29:22] I didn't know he was coming back.

[00:29:24] Yeah.

[00:29:24] Is he...

[00:29:25] Was he imperious at the ministry?

[00:29:27] I mean, that's what you kind of guessed at one point.

[00:29:29] I don't think so.

[00:29:30] I think he was just kind of trying to find a way out.

[00:29:33] Not necessarily imperious, but, like...

[00:29:36] Even he kind of describes it like it was impossible to get out.

[00:29:38] It was difficult.

[00:29:40] But, uh...

[00:29:41] Do we believe that?

[00:29:42] I know.

[00:29:43] Do you trust him?

[00:29:44] In the battle right now, yeah, for sure.

[00:29:46] He's on Hogwarts side.

[00:29:49] Mm-hmm.

[00:29:49] But...

[00:29:50] Or Harry's side, I guess.

[00:29:52] But even, like, his story about the ministry, like, if I sat down and had a conversation

[00:29:56] with him or whatever he's going to tell his family, that I don't know if I would believe.

[00:30:01] Yeah.

[00:30:02] Like, that side of him I don't trust.

[00:30:03] But in the heat of battle, I think he's going to be good and fight for Harry.

[00:30:09] Mm-hmm.

[00:30:10] But, like, then I guess he has no career after this.

[00:30:13] Yeah, he's kind of done.

[00:30:15] Is there going to be a Ministry of Magic after this?

[00:30:19] Is Harry going to be the Minister of Magic?

[00:30:21] Ooh.

[00:30:22] Great question.

[00:30:23] That would be good.

[00:30:24] I think you would hate that job.

[00:30:25] Yeah.

[00:30:26] But...

[00:30:27] He would definitely hate it.

[00:30:29] Yeah, like, what's...

[00:30:30] The Ministry's fallen.

[00:30:32] You're going to lose, like, half your Ministry workers, I feel like.

[00:30:35] Mm-hmm.

[00:30:36] Yeah, half these people are going to die or be dead.

[00:30:38] Or, like, just not want to work at the Ministry anymore.

[00:30:41] Because the Death Eaters, like, that's half of them.

[00:30:44] Yeah.

[00:30:46] The Ministry definitely needs a lot of reform after this.

[00:30:49] It's going to be very small.

[00:30:51] Yeah.

[00:30:51] We're going to run a small operation.

[00:30:53] In a big group of good people.

[00:30:56] Yeah.

[00:30:57] That would be wild, though, if Harry became Minister.

[00:31:00] Who do you think would become Minister?

[00:31:01] So, after this is all said and done, in this book, Scrimgeers, you know, if he's dead,

[00:31:08] who should become Minister after this?

[00:31:11] Mr. Weasley.

[00:31:13] Oh, that would be actually great.

[00:31:14] Yeah.

[00:31:15] He'd be such a good peacetime Prime Minister.

[00:31:19] Minister of Magic.

[00:31:20] I could see Lupin doing it, too.

[00:31:24] That could be pretty good.

[00:31:25] I could see that.

[00:31:26] A little dangerous, but pretty good.

[00:31:28] Oh, yeah.

[00:31:28] He's a werewolf.

[00:31:29] Yeah.

[00:31:29] You have a lot of werewolf legislation going on there.

[00:31:32] Hey, everybody gets an extra week off for whatever.

[00:31:36] Three weeks a month, Ministry of Magic.

[00:31:40] Yeah.

[00:31:41] Every full moon, you get a week off.

[00:31:43] Yeah.

[00:31:44] It'd be kind of great.

[00:31:44] I'd be down with that.

[00:31:45] I would like Lupin in that.

[00:31:49] I'd like Lupin would be good, too.

[00:31:50] Luna, maybe.

[00:31:52] Luna would be the best.

[00:31:53] We all know Luna would be the best.

[00:31:55] Loony, Luna.

[00:31:57] She'd be so great.

[00:31:57] And Moony, the ministry.

[00:32:00] They could be like co-ministers.

[00:32:04] Loony Moony 24.

[00:32:05] That's their ticket.

[00:32:06] They're running Prime Minister.

[00:32:08] Minister of Magic and Vice Minister of Magic.

[00:32:12] And then they're in good hands when it's the full moon.

[00:32:15] Yeah, exactly.

[00:32:17] I love it.

[00:32:20] Doesn't McGonagall use an unforgivable curse in this, too?

[00:32:24] What does she do?

[00:32:26] I forget.

[00:32:27] I forget.

[00:32:28] Is she Crucio somewhere?

[00:32:31] Was that Snape that she did it to?

[00:32:34] Again, I was reading this at midnight last night.

[00:32:44] I just look for italics.

[00:32:47] Yeah, exactly.

[00:32:48] I don't know, actually.

[00:32:49] I don't remember that.

[00:32:51] I kind of don't think that she would.

[00:32:54] She said we'd duel to kill.

[00:32:56] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[00:32:57] That's pretty intense.

[00:33:00] That is very intense.

[00:33:03] But I think you can kill in other ways other than a Vatacadabra.

[00:33:08] Magical ways?

[00:33:09] Yeah.

[00:33:10] Like what?

[00:33:12] Like Sectumsempra.

[00:33:15] You can free someone and then throw them off a building.

[00:33:18] Oh, McGonagall Imperioed somebody.

[00:33:22] She Imperioed Amicus.

[00:33:24] Oh, yeah.

[00:33:25] Okay.

[00:33:25] Yeah.

[00:33:25] She's in that out of necessity in the Ravenclaw Tower.

[00:33:28] Good catch.

[00:33:29] I didn't recognize that.

[00:33:30] Because that was my hot tamale moment.

[00:33:33] Oh, that is a hot tamale moment.

[00:33:35] Wow.

[00:33:35] Because she's like not like that usually.

[00:33:38] Anyway, as you were saying.

[00:33:40] That is an intense hot tamale moment.

[00:33:44] Extremely hot.

[00:33:45] Yeah.

[00:33:48] Yikes.

[00:33:49] Anything else in this chapter if we go to the Battle of Hogwarts?

[00:33:52] You were saying something.

[00:33:53] I interrupted you.

[00:33:54] I don't know, was I?

[00:33:55] Yeah, I think you were talking about her Imperio-ing in a life or death situation.

[00:34:01] Or maybe like the other magical ways to kill people.

[00:34:05] Is what you were going to say?

[00:34:06] I think there's some people who wouldn't ever use an unforgivable curse.

[00:34:18] McGonagall to me seems like someone like that.

[00:34:21] But she just used the Imperius curse.

[00:34:23] Maybe she wouldn't use a killing curse.

[00:34:25] I feel like McGonagall wouldn't feel comfortable using the killing curse.

[00:34:30] Would she just like straight up knife to the chest?

[00:34:33] Yeah.

[00:34:34] Really?

[00:34:35] Yeah.

[00:34:35] Like I definitely think she would do something else.

[00:34:37] It's almost like, yeah, like, you know, every knife in Hogwarts or sword in Hogwarts is aimed at Snape, you know?

[00:34:43] But I don't think she would.

[00:34:44] Yeah.

[00:34:45] I don't think a Vada Kedavra would ever come out of her mouth.

[00:34:48] Maybe I'm wrong in that characterization of her.

[00:34:50] Like everyone's capable of surprise and change, but she seems like she's very, like, loyal.

[00:34:59] But like she, like, is, I don't know what the word is, like, very true.

[00:35:04] She sticks to her guns.

[00:35:07] Convicted.

[00:35:07] She's very convicted.

[00:35:08] And I feel like she would be very convicted to not use the unforgivable curses.

[00:35:12] She's very moral.

[00:35:14] Yeah, there you go.

[00:35:15] That's the word I was looking for.

[00:35:15] Thank you.

[00:35:16] Yeah.

[00:35:17] Yeah.

[00:35:18] I see that.

[00:35:18] But now she just disproved that.

[00:35:20] Yeah, exactly.

[00:35:21] Yeah.

[00:35:21] And that was, like, not even necessary, I feel like, either.

[00:35:26] I, so, I mean, I was talking a while ago how I think in the Imperious Curse is the worst one.

[00:35:30] But I think, I was thinking about that more.

[00:35:32] I think it's on a spectrum.

[00:35:33] I think it could be used super harmlessly for, like, nothing.

[00:35:39] Which, if, you know, McGonagall is using it harmlessly, it doesn't really matter.

[00:35:42] Yeah.

[00:35:42] But it has the propensity for the worst as well.

[00:35:46] More than, more than dying, more than killing someone, and more than torturing them.

[00:35:51] I agree.

[00:35:52] Yeah.

[00:35:52] So, I think it could potentially be the worst, but it could potentially be nothing.

[00:35:57] Yeah, because you can literally just make someone walk out of your way.

[00:35:59] Agreed, yeah.

[00:36:00] Yeah.

[00:36:01] Which is essentially what she does, I think.

[00:36:03] Yeah, pretty much.

[00:36:04] So, she's, like, doing something all right here.

[00:36:06] Even, like, Harry imperious-ing the guy and telling him to go hide in the crack.

[00:36:10] Like, that really doesn't mean anything, you know?

[00:36:11] That's so funny.

[00:36:15] So, yeah.

[00:36:17] I don't have anything else in the 30.

[00:36:19] You got any other notes?

[00:36:23] Do I have any?

[00:36:29] All right, 31.

[00:36:31] The Battle of Hogwarts.

[00:36:34] Oh, I like this sentence in chapter 30 of Flitwick doing the spells and the castlies muttering incantations of great complexity.

[00:36:48] Harrier heard a weird rushing noise as though Flitwick had unleashed the power of the wind into the grounds.

[00:36:53] That's so cool.

[00:36:54] That's so cool.

[00:36:54] Yeah.

[00:36:54] Like, I can picture, like, all of it.

[00:36:56] Just, like, the air is, like, tense with magic.

[00:37:00] And they're like, oh, the teachers know how to do magic too.

[00:37:04] Like, we can protect this school.

[00:37:05] And it's, like, 30 minutes is all they can get of the projection.

[00:37:10] And I feel like that was gracious.

[00:37:11] Like, that was because Voldemort wasn't going full power from the beginning.

[00:37:16] Yeah, for sure.

[00:37:16] But I was like, oh, you guys think you can.

[00:37:19] But the Death Eaters are pretty powerful.

[00:37:22] Yeah.

[00:37:23] Although some of the teachers, like, I think Flitwick, he was a dueling champion in his day.

[00:37:29] Like, he was incredible at that.

[00:37:30] So I think all of them could, like, you know, hold their own against them.

[00:37:34] But I don't think any of them could hold their own against Voldemort.

[00:37:37] I think Voldemort would wipe the floor with any of them.

[00:37:39] And I'm assuming this is the most, like, dark magic that they've all done, like, combined.

[00:37:43] Because the Death Eaters will do dark magic.

[00:37:45] But even on, like, a duel, it's, like, normal stuff.

[00:37:48] Yeah.

[00:37:48] But I'm assuming they're all just, like, going ham.

[00:37:51] Yeah, for sure.

[00:37:51] Like, there's no reason not to.

[00:37:53] Yeah, kind of agree.

[00:37:54] And everybody.

[00:37:54] I must, like, are the teachers going to be law-abiding and, like, not do that?

[00:38:00] I don't know.

[00:38:01] Yeah.

[00:38:02] Crab or Goyle does, like, the fire thing later.

[00:38:04] The fiend fire, which is crazy.

[00:38:06] Yeah.

[00:38:08] But, yeah, like, do you just use dark magic when it's, like, is it ever called for?

[00:38:13] I mean, it's a great ethical question.

[00:38:15] I don't, I, like, idealistically, I say no.

[00:38:18] But, like, pragmatically, like, absolutely.

[00:38:19] Like, of course.

[00:38:20] Like, I'd be, like, saying about a Kadabra around the corner for everything.

[00:38:24] Out of self-protection.

[00:38:25] You're going to die, yeah.

[00:38:25] Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[00:38:26] Just, like, go out.

[00:38:26] It's either they killed, they're dead or I'm dead, you know?

[00:38:28] It's one or the other.

[00:38:29] So it's war.

[00:38:30] But, like, idealistically, you want to say that the good side should be above that.

[00:38:33] So the good side shouldn't use any, like, horrible curses.

[00:38:36] And those curses should just fall into oblivion.

[00:38:37] No one remembers those or knows those.

[00:38:39] And, like, you know, we just are gone.

[00:38:42] But that's not reality.

[00:38:44] They should put, like, a taboo on all the dark spells that come into being.

[00:38:50] Yeah.

[00:38:51] And then you just get an aura summoned to you immediately.

[00:38:54] Yeah, for real.

[00:38:55] That would kind of start.

[00:38:56] Honestly, that'd be kind of smart.

[00:38:58] Just do that for, like, three generations until all of the vocabulary has faded.

[00:39:04] Yeah.

[00:39:04] And then you get to go.

[00:39:05] And then another Tom Riddle will rise up.

[00:39:08] But that is, like, a lot of government censorship.

[00:39:11] So.

[00:39:11] Oh, yeah.

[00:39:12] I mean, if it's just on, like, certain words, I guess.

[00:39:15] Yeah.

[00:39:17] There's probably some stuff that they could do.

[00:39:19] Yeah.

[00:39:23] Anyway.

[00:39:23] That's a good question.

[00:39:25] It made me think of, I think we talked about this a little while ago, whether, like, if wizards

[00:39:30] attacked muggles right now, who would win in a war?

[00:39:36] Okay.

[00:39:36] I think muggles would.

[00:39:37] Yeah.

[00:39:39] I'm thinking of all the tanks.

[00:39:41] Yeah, the weaponry.

[00:39:42] Like, they could probably dismantle a lot of tanks and drones that we have.

[00:39:45] But, like, can they stop bullets with a wand?

[00:39:48] It's just, like, B-12.

[00:39:49] Yeah.

[00:39:49] You sure you got that one?

[00:39:50] They can't even see them.

[00:39:52] You can't even hear it.

[00:39:54] You're going to apparate faster than that thing?

[00:39:56] Sure.

[00:39:58] I remember there was one comedian who was telling, like, a story about, he's like, the Second

[00:40:02] Amendment, like, the right to bear arms.

[00:40:04] He's like, it didn't mean the same thing that it does, like, right now.

[00:40:07] He's like, all these people think that they're, you know, by having their little rifles, they

[00:40:12] can resist the government.

[00:40:13] But, like, some dude in the government is just going to drive a drone right up to your house.

[00:40:17] And, like, he's like, is this a fair fight?

[00:40:19] Can I hit the button?

[00:40:20] And he hits the button, and, like, you're dead.

[00:40:21] He's like, your little rifle's not going to do anything to prevent that.

[00:40:24] Yeah.

[00:40:24] It's kind of like this.

[00:40:25] I feel like wizards aren't going to have any, like, answers for all of our weaponry.

[00:40:32] I feel like in, maybe in, like, guerrilla warfare or when you start, like, just not following

[00:40:38] the rules of war.

[00:40:40] If you're hiding or you're, like, going full civilian mode and, like.

[00:40:43] Which is like a coup, yeah.

[00:40:44] Yeah.

[00:40:44] Like, attacking the people rather than, like, an army.

[00:40:46] Because then, like, yeah, me versus a wizard, I'm going down.

[00:40:50] But, like, if you're trying to do, like, an actual battle or, like, a legit war, I just

[00:40:56] don't see it happening.

[00:40:57] If you know where the enemy is, it's like, we're going to snipe you.

[00:41:00] Like, we can do that.

[00:41:01] Kind of agree.

[00:41:02] Because, like, a sniper is, like, equal to a bond in my mind.

[00:41:06] Like, the speed of that.

[00:41:08] They should have just gotten, like, the U.S. Marines posted a bunch of snipers on the,

[00:41:11] you know.

[00:41:12] Even, like, the distance of, like, between you and your target, I feel like that's, like,

[00:41:17] equal.

[00:41:17] Yeah, I'm kind of with you.

[00:41:19] And there's way more muggles.

[00:41:21] Yeah.

[00:41:23] Good.

[00:41:23] I feel better now.

[00:41:25] Just in case there's any wizards out there.

[00:41:27] Yep.

[00:41:31] All right.

[00:41:32] 31 is when they start the battle.

[00:41:34] What do you think about the Grey Lady?

[00:41:37] Oh, yeah.

[00:41:37] What is this Grey Lady?

[00:41:39] So, she's the ghost of Ravenclaw Tower.

[00:41:42] And then.

[00:41:43] She was very spooky to me.

[00:41:45] I was like, for the first time in this book, I was, like, actually spooked.

[00:41:48] I hate ghosts.

[00:41:49] Again, the movies do her great.

[00:41:50] And she's just, like, walking down the thing.

[00:41:52] So slowly.

[00:41:53] Her hair is long.

[00:41:55] Yeah.

[00:41:56] I don't like that.

[00:41:57] And then she has, like, a revelation that the Bloody Baron was the one that was, like,

[00:42:00] her suitor.

[00:42:01] No, he was the one that kind of died.

[00:42:05] And then he wears chains as an act of penance.

[00:42:08] The Bloody Baron's the guy whose head got cut off.

[00:42:12] No, it's Neil Headless Neck.

[00:42:13] Okay.

[00:42:13] The Bloody Baron is the Slytherin ghost.

[00:42:17] And he is just covered in blood and wears chains.

[00:42:19] And we finally, like, learned why he does that.

[00:42:21] It was never really that important, but you kind of figure out why he wears them.

[00:42:25] He just has a bow tie in my mind.

[00:42:27] That's the only thing that's different.

[00:42:29] It was, like, Casper, but a bow tie.

[00:42:33] I forgot about your Casper description.

[00:42:35] I have, like, some blood to this now.

[00:42:38] That is so funny.

[00:42:39] Because Nearly Headless Neck, you know those big, like, collars that are, like, round and

[00:42:44] they look like tissue paper or something?

[00:42:47] That's, like, Nearly Headless Neck has that.

[00:42:49] I love that.

[00:42:50] But, yeah, because then, remember I said that Axe is in the room of requirement?

[00:42:55] That's why I was, like, scared that that was going to disprove that.

[00:42:58] But that's not him.

[00:42:59] That's Nearly Headless Neck.

[00:43:01] Yeah.

[00:43:03] So what is he going to do?

[00:43:04] That's his unfinished business.

[00:43:05] It's just, like, he has to suffer forever?

[00:43:08] Like, the ghosts of Christmas past or whatever?

[00:43:11] Pretty much.

[00:43:11] He's just in penance for the rest of eternity.

[00:43:15] I wonder if ghosts ever are given, like, a second chance if they can, like, you know,

[00:43:19] lead the part this earth.

[00:43:20] Like, or what a ghost would do to be able to do that.

[00:43:23] Like, you become a ghost and you immediately regret it and you're like, oh, I'm stuck

[00:43:26] like this for eternity.

[00:43:28] That would suck.

[00:43:29] Well, if you're doing penance, maybe there is, like, a time frame.

[00:43:32] Yeah.

[00:43:33] Like, maybe 10 years of this.

[00:43:35] Or you have to, like, do enough good.

[00:43:36] Yeah, right.

[00:43:37] That they'll, like, whoever's, like, in charge of the ghosts.

[00:43:39] We're talking about purgatory right now.

[00:43:41] Whoever's in charge of the ghosts.

[00:43:45] Ghosts purgatory.

[00:43:46] And their citizenship will let them go and change them.

[00:43:53] Yeah, because none of them ever come back to life.

[00:43:56] But none of them even go anywhere.

[00:43:57] They're all here permanently.

[00:43:58] Yeah.

[00:43:59] That's so odd.

[00:44:00] I don't feel like that's how ghosts are in real life.

[00:44:02] I think ghosts come and go in real life.

[00:44:06] I don't think they're, like, here eternally.

[00:44:08] Okay.

[00:44:10] I think they have lifetimes.

[00:44:12] I feel like you thought about this a lot.

[00:44:14] Oh, yeah.

[00:44:14] For sure.

[00:44:15] Some of them are really old.

[00:44:17] But I don't know.

[00:44:17] I don't ever picture, like, a ghost as an eternal, like, being.

[00:44:23] I'm actually kind of with you.

[00:44:25] They actually.

[00:44:28] Because there's, like, ghosts from the Civil War.

[00:44:31] Yeah.

[00:44:31] But that's, like, not that long ago.

[00:44:33] It's not that long ago.

[00:44:34] But it's more than, like, a lifetime.

[00:44:37] It's a few lifetimes away.

[00:44:38] Yeah.

[00:44:38] But maybe they.

[00:44:40] Maybe how many lifetimes do you live?

[00:44:42] Maybe you just have to live, like, X amount.

[00:44:44] Yeah.

[00:44:44] And that's, like, your ghost time.

[00:44:45] Because, like, is there ever a ghost?

[00:44:47] We don't have, like, a long history compared to, like, the rest of the world.

[00:44:50] But, like, as a country.

[00:44:52] But I don't know if there's, like, ghosts in these old European castles that are, like,

[00:44:57] oh.

[00:44:57] I think so, yeah.

[00:44:58] 7,000.

[00:44:59] Or, like, I don't know.

[00:45:00] Yeah.

[00:45:01] 900-year-old ghosts is.

[00:45:03] I mean, I'm pretty sure if you got, like, to the, like, the pyramids, there's probably

[00:45:08] people around that that are telling all sorts of ghost stories about that.

[00:45:12] Yeah.

[00:45:12] That would be so haunted, actually.

[00:45:14] I'd be so scared.

[00:45:15] It'd be kind of terrifying.

[00:45:16] Yeah.

[00:45:17] I feel like ghosts just expire.

[00:45:19] Hmm.

[00:45:20] I don't know.

[00:45:21] Maybe they get.

[00:45:22] They need to do their job.

[00:45:24] And then they can go.

[00:45:25] It is penance.

[00:45:26] I don't know.

[00:45:26] Yeah.

[00:45:26] That's actually kind of true.

[00:45:27] Like, the ones in, like, the Egypt or the pyramids, like, are they just guarding?

[00:45:34] So their business is always unfinished?

[00:45:37] Yeah.

[00:45:37] I don't know.

[00:45:38] Once you finish your business as a ghost, you're able to go.

[00:45:42] That's, yeah.

[00:45:43] That'd be interesting.

[00:45:44] Isn't, what is, like, the ghosts in Scrooge?

[00:45:46] What do they have to do?

[00:45:47] Because doesn't when Scrooge become nice, like, they are released?

[00:45:52] I don't know, actually.

[00:45:53] I don't think so.

[00:45:54] Because is it Jacob Marley that's the one that's.

[00:45:56] Yeah, he's the one that's chained.

[00:45:58] Yeah.

[00:45:59] Huh.

[00:46:01] I don't know.

[00:46:01] We should come up with, like, some ghost theory about this.

[00:46:04] If anybody is a ghost hunter out there, let us know.

[00:46:07] Yeah, ghost lore.

[00:46:08] That'll be our next podcast.

[00:46:09] I hate ghosts.

[00:46:10] I don't want to have the conversation.

[00:46:13] It needs to feel very fake.

[00:46:15] Yeah, yeah.

[00:46:16] And not close to home.

[00:46:17] It needs to be Casper.

[00:46:17] When the Casper is floating around the castle.

[00:46:19] Yeah, exactly.

[00:46:20] She's not Casper, though.

[00:46:21] She's just, like, herself.

[00:46:23] And there's a good chapter art of her, too, which is, like, exactly how I picture her.

[00:46:27] So that did it for me.

[00:46:30] She's great in the movies, too.

[00:46:32] One of my favorite scenes in the movies.

[00:46:37] Yeah.

[00:46:38] So they send the Slytherins down to the dungeons.

[00:46:44] You kind of learn why Voldemort applied for the job, or Tom Riddle applied for the job.

[00:46:51] Mainly because he was trying to find the sword, and he was trying to hide the object.

[00:46:59] And then this is one of my favorite lines in the whole series.

[00:47:04] This woman goes, I was the last to come through, said Mrs. Longbottom.

[00:47:08] I sealed it.

[00:47:08] I think it unwise to leave it open.

[00:47:11] Now Aberforth has left his pub.

[00:47:13] Have you seen my grandson?

[00:47:14] He's fighting, said Harry.

[00:47:16] Naturally, said the old lady proudly.

[00:47:18] Excuse me.

[00:47:19] I must go in a system.

[00:47:21] With surprising speech, he trotted off toward the stone steps.

[00:47:25] I love that.

[00:47:26] Because I love Neville so much.

[00:47:28] So, Neville's my guy.

[00:47:30] He's out there fighting.

[00:47:31] Her grandma's, his grandma's so proud that he's, like, off fighting, you know.

[00:47:35] Living up to the family name.

[00:47:37] Yeah.

[00:47:37] Her grandma should have accepted him, like, you know, before.

[00:47:41] But still, I love Neville's growth.

[00:47:44] Yeah.

[00:47:45] He definitely has, I think, one of the biggest character developments in the story.

[00:47:51] Yeah.

[00:47:53] Yeah.

[00:47:53] All right.

[00:47:53] So, what do you think of Crabbe and Goyle using, or like, yeah, what do you think the

[00:48:00] whole situation where they go into the room of requirement, Crabbe and Goyle and Malfoy

[00:48:04] are there?

[00:48:06] Who is it?

[00:48:06] Does Crabbe use it?

[00:48:09] Or does Goyle use Fiendfire?

[00:48:10] I think Crabbe uses Fiendfire.

[00:48:13] Yeah, I want to say it was Crabbe.

[00:48:14] One of the two.

[00:48:14] It doesn't matter.

[00:48:15] Yeah, they're the same.

[00:48:15] Crabbe dies.

[00:48:16] Yeah.

[00:48:17] I dislike Crabbe and Goyle more.

[00:48:21] And I dislike Malfoy less.

[00:48:24] Yeah.

[00:48:24] So, I always thought Crabbe and Goyle were just, like, brainless and just kind of, like,

[00:48:32] Malfoy's minions.

[00:48:33] But now, it's, like, actually of their own action that they're, like, choosing to go against

[00:48:38] Harry.

[00:48:39] And they want to kill Harry.

[00:48:40] Which I think still shows, like, they're dumb because he's like, oh, the Dark Lord's

[00:48:44] going to be happy even if we do kill him.

[00:48:46] It's like, no, that's not how that works.

[00:48:48] Yeah.

[00:48:48] But.

[00:48:49] They're idiots.

[00:48:50] Yeah.

[00:48:50] So, they're still idiots.

[00:48:51] But, like, they actually want to do work for the Dark Lord.

[00:48:57] And Malfoy, I feel like, like, Draco is kind of, like, pulling back from that.

[00:49:04] Like, in this scene, obviously, he's really going at it.

[00:49:06] But then, when Harry saves him, I'm like, oof.

[00:49:10] Like, I wonder if he's still thinking about, like, or regretting what he's done.

[00:49:16] But I have a lot more, like, pity for Draco.

[00:49:21] I don't know.

[00:49:23] What you said was interesting because it makes me think, like, Draco is actually keeping

[00:49:27] Crabbe and Goyle at bay in some weird way.

[00:49:29] Not intentionally.

[00:49:30] But, like, were Crabbe and Goyle, like, pretty sick in the head?

[00:49:36] And because they were subservient to Malfoy, they just did whatever Malfoy did.

[00:49:40] And if they were not, if they were released, would they have been, like, significantly more

[00:49:44] harm to other students, like, earlier on?

[00:49:47] Like, throughout the whole series?

[00:49:49] Yeah.

[00:49:50] Yeah.

[00:49:50] Yeah.

[00:49:50] Like, they're just idiots, to be honest.

[00:49:52] But could they have done it wrong?

[00:49:54] Yeah, but maybe they're dumb and they're learning all these dark spells and they're, like, doing

[00:49:59] stuff in their common room at night, you know?

[00:50:02] And they're, like, actually mastering all these dark spells.

[00:50:06] That would be crazy.

[00:50:07] Yeah, seriously.

[00:50:07] Like, untapped power because Malfoy's the leader.

[00:50:11] Yep.

[00:50:12] And he, I feel like Malfoy was kind of always scared to be super out there and, like, be

[00:50:18] a dark wizard.

[00:50:20] But he was, it's, like, showy to me rather than.

[00:50:24] Yeah.

[00:50:24] Like, his heart wasn't in it, I don't think.

[00:50:26] Yeah.

[00:50:27] In the, like, the previous books.

[00:50:29] Because this one he's obviously, he's got to do what he's got to do because.

[00:50:33] Yeah.

[00:50:33] He's probably going to die if he doesn't.

[00:50:37] Okay, so.

[00:50:39] Diary's gone.

[00:50:40] The ring's gone.

[00:50:42] The locket's gone.

[00:50:43] Here we go again.

[00:50:46] The diadem is destroyed.

[00:50:53] Is Nagini truly the only one left?

[00:50:57] So, you know, Nagini and Harry.

[00:51:00] Is that the only?

[00:51:03] Wait, I'm missing one.

[00:51:05] Okay, wait.

[00:51:05] Let me do it.

[00:51:07] The diary's gone.

[00:51:08] Yep.

[00:51:09] Ring is gone.

[00:51:10] Cup is gone.

[00:51:11] Cup, there you go.

[00:51:14] Okay, let's switch hands.

[00:51:16] So, then we have Harry, Nagini.

[00:51:21] Nagini.

[00:51:23] No, I'm going to get stuck.

[00:51:25] Three, four, five.

[00:51:27] The locket.

[00:51:28] The actual.

[00:51:28] Oh, the locket's gone.

[00:51:32] So, you have the diary.

[00:51:34] How many is this?

[00:51:36] That's seven?

[00:51:38] Yeah, but you definitely counted it wrong.

[00:51:40] The diary.

[00:51:41] The diadem.

[00:51:42] The locket.

[00:51:44] The cup.

[00:51:45] And the ring.

[00:51:48] Those are ones that have been destroyed.

[00:51:50] Nagini and Harry.

[00:51:51] Nagini and Harry.

[00:51:52] Is it really true that those are the only two?

[00:51:55] Or is there another one lurking out there somewhere?

[00:51:56] That's seven.

[00:51:57] And then Voldemort's extra on top of that?

[00:52:02] Why are you asking?

[00:52:05] Hmm, I don't know.

[00:52:07] Is there, what's coming out of Snape's eyeballs and his ears?

[00:52:11] That's a great question.

[00:52:12] We'll get there in a second.

[00:52:14] I feel like there is not more Horcruxes,

[00:52:18] but the opportunities are endless.

[00:52:20] Okay.

[00:52:21] But like,

[00:52:23] I feel like I've said it was seven before

[00:52:25] and you went along with that long enough

[00:52:27] that like,

[00:52:28] I think you're just trying to like confuse me at this point.

[00:52:30] In reality,

[00:52:31] my question should be,

[00:52:33] because you shouldn't know about Harry being a Horcrux yet.

[00:52:35] So in reality,

[00:52:36] the question is,

[00:52:37] there's six Horcruxes.

[00:52:38] Is Nagini the only one left?

[00:52:40] But I'm just like,

[00:52:41] you know,

[00:52:41] playing it saying,

[00:52:42] is Harry a Nagini?

[00:52:43] But maybe the stuff coming out of Snape's eyes is another Horcrux.

[00:52:47] I don't think so.

[00:52:49] Yeah,

[00:52:49] I don't even understand.

[00:52:51] Like,

[00:52:51] I thought maybe,

[00:52:53] okay,

[00:52:53] well,

[00:52:53] we'll go to the next chapter before I,

[00:52:55] before we go to the next chapter,

[00:52:56] what do you think about our guy,

[00:52:58] Fred?

[00:52:58] Oh my goodness.

[00:53:00] I was so sad.

[00:53:02] Isn't that devastating?

[00:53:02] I knew like one of the Weasleys died at least,

[00:53:05] but yeah,

[00:53:06] that was really sad.

[00:53:07] And he didn't even,

[00:53:08] that was like the first injury of,

[00:53:11] that he's had because Jenny's been messed up,

[00:53:14] Ron,

[00:53:15] Mr.

[00:53:16] Weasley and George.

[00:53:18] So maybe Fred and Bill are going to die.

[00:53:20] Yeah.

[00:53:22] Or Mrs.

[00:53:22] Weasley's going to,

[00:53:23] Mrs.

[00:53:23] Weasley better not die.

[00:53:24] That would be atrocious.

[00:53:28] But yeah,

[00:53:29] I was really sad.

[00:53:29] And then Percy was just like laying on him or something.

[00:53:32] It's like,

[00:53:33] bro,

[00:53:33] get up,

[00:53:34] fight the war.

[00:53:35] But like,

[00:53:35] yeah.

[00:53:36] Also that's tragic.

[00:53:38] I love that Percy does that.

[00:53:41] Yeah.

[00:53:41] He's had no time to reconcile anything.

[00:53:46] Yep.

[00:53:46] They had one cool moment,

[00:53:48] one nice little duel battle together.

[00:53:51] And Fred is like,

[00:53:53] you're choking.

[00:53:53] Like you're actually choking.

[00:53:55] And then boom,

[00:53:57] he's dead.

[00:53:58] I will say this.

[00:54:00] Out of any of the Weasleys,

[00:54:02] I would hold a grudge the least amount.

[00:54:04] It would be the twins.

[00:54:05] In my opinion,

[00:54:07] Ron would hold a grudge.

[00:54:08] Ron has held a grudge for a long time.

[00:54:09] Mr.

[00:54:10] And Mrs.

[00:54:10] Weasley would definitely let that go.

[00:54:11] But like,

[00:54:12] you need to like have a conversation with them,

[00:54:14] a full long conversation,

[00:54:15] like apologize,

[00:54:16] all that kind of stuff.

[00:54:17] For the twins,

[00:54:19] they just need to make fun of you once.

[00:54:21] And they're good with you again,

[00:54:22] which is.

[00:54:23] That's true.

[00:54:23] I think the twins greatest attribute.

[00:54:26] They're brilliant.

[00:54:26] Love the twins for everything.

[00:54:27] They contribute to the wizarding world for their weapons contracting.

[00:54:31] But more than anything else,

[00:54:33] how they're able to forgive someone so quickly is pretty astonishing.

[00:54:37] It's like a pretty remarkable.

[00:54:39] Like their brother comes back.

[00:54:41] And then like how.

[00:54:44] In this moment with Fred,

[00:54:46] who I think is even like,

[00:54:47] you know,

[00:54:47] the most,

[00:54:48] the most forgiving out of all the Weasleys,

[00:54:50] a little more outgoing,

[00:54:51] a little bit more like.

[00:54:52] To have to have this moment with him where he's like,

[00:54:54] you're actually joking.

[00:54:56] Fred was the right person to die.

[00:54:58] As far as Percy needing to reconcile with the rest of his family.

[00:55:02] Yeah.

[00:55:03] Like.

[00:55:04] Because there's like.

[00:55:05] He reconciled with them already.

[00:55:06] I see what you're saying.

[00:55:06] They were friends.

[00:55:07] They were buddies.

[00:55:07] They were fighting together till Fred's death.

[00:55:10] In Fred's mind,

[00:55:12] when he died,

[00:55:12] Percy was a great brother.

[00:55:15] Wow.

[00:55:16] That hurts more.

[00:55:17] Yeah.

[00:55:18] Right.

[00:55:19] Percy's older than the twins,

[00:55:21] right?

[00:55:21] Yeah.

[00:55:22] Percy's older.

[00:55:23] He's,

[00:55:23] I think two,

[00:55:24] three years older than the twins.

[00:55:27] Wow.

[00:55:28] That made it worse.

[00:55:29] I know.

[00:55:30] Thanks for that.

[00:55:31] I just make things sadder and I make things worse.

[00:55:34] I thought I had thought it through,

[00:55:36] but really not.

[00:55:38] All right.

[00:55:38] Let's go to the elder wand chapter 32.

[00:55:41] The elder wand.

[00:55:43] What do we think of this?

[00:55:47] I think Snape knew that the wand wasn't going to work,

[00:55:51] but he didn't tell Voldemort.

[00:55:54] You kind of mentioned this in the previous podcast as well,

[00:55:57] that Snape is the actual owner of the other one.

[00:56:01] It makes sense.

[00:56:04] But what's Snape's plan with that?

[00:56:06] Like,

[00:56:06] when are you going to either get the elder wand or like,

[00:56:11] you can't prevent Voldemort from having it because like you killing

[00:56:14] Dumbledore essentially is like opening the door for him,

[00:56:17] for Voldemort to get the wand.

[00:56:18] So I don't see like where Snape's plan would have been with that.

[00:56:22] If he knew that that's how that worked,

[00:56:24] but I could see it being something that Snape knew about.

[00:56:28] And then the other thing is like,

[00:56:30] the intention was that Draco kill Dumbledore in that moment,

[00:56:34] which maybe then Voldemort was just going to kill Draco.

[00:56:36] And then boom,

[00:56:37] you have the wand.

[00:56:41] Yeah.

[00:56:41] That's a fair point.

[00:56:42] And then he doesn't have to deal with killing Dumbledore.

[00:56:44] So you talked about that before as well,

[00:56:45] that you think you don't necessarily think Draco would be the owner of the

[00:56:48] other one.

[00:56:50] Cause he was on the one,

[00:56:51] wasn't the one that killed him.

[00:56:52] Yeah.

[00:56:53] But he could,

[00:56:54] could potentially like now though.

[00:56:58] No,

[00:56:58] I I'm pretty sure it would just be Snape.

[00:57:00] Yeah.

[00:57:01] But then I guess Snape's dead.

[00:57:04] So then he owns the other one.

[00:57:07] I don't know.

[00:57:08] What do you think about Snape through all this?

[00:57:10] I'm confused.

[00:57:11] Like that last page that I just read is like,

[00:57:14] I should have had time to think about this.

[00:57:16] Yeah.

[00:57:17] I don't know what this,

[00:57:18] this little substance is.

[00:57:21] That's coming out of him.

[00:57:23] Okay.

[00:57:25] Am I supposed to?

[00:57:27] Is that like a Patronus that never got used?

[00:57:31] Is Snape the doe?

[00:57:34] Why would Snape be the doe?

[00:57:35] Cause he's alive.

[00:57:38] I don't even think Snape believes in Patroni.

[00:57:41] Patroni?

[00:57:42] Patronis?

[00:57:43] What would Snape's Patronus be if he had a Patronus?

[00:57:46] I feel like we've said this before.

[00:57:48] A bat.

[00:57:48] I think we said a bat.

[00:57:49] Yeah.

[00:57:49] Or maybe his animagus form.

[00:57:52] Yeah.

[00:57:53] He looks like a bat when he's flying.

[00:57:55] Yeah.

[00:57:59] I don't know.

[00:58:01] Why is,

[00:58:02] why is it in a cup?

[00:58:03] What are they going to do with it?

[00:58:05] Why did he know what it is?

[00:58:07] And he knows,

[00:58:08] doesn't know what he needs to do.

[00:58:09] But then they're like,

[00:58:10] quick harvest the glow that's coming out of Snape.

[00:58:14] Cause what is,

[00:58:15] what is Snape exactly say?

[00:58:18] Can Snape's like...

[00:58:19] Let me read this to you.

[00:58:21] Harry took off the invisibility cloak,

[00:58:24] and looked down upon the man he hated,

[00:58:26] whose widening black eyes found Harry as he tried to speak.

[00:58:30] Harry bent over him,

[00:58:31] and Snape seized the front of his robes and pulled him close.

[00:58:34] A terrible rasping, gurgling noise issued from Snape's throat.

[00:58:37] Take it.

[00:58:39] Take it.

[00:58:40] Something more than blood was leaking from Snape.

[00:58:42] Take that stuff.

[00:58:44] Silvery blue.

[00:58:45] Either gas or liquid.

[00:58:47] And it gushed from his mouth and his ears and his eyes.

[00:58:50] And Harry knew what it was,

[00:58:51] but did not know what to do.

[00:58:53] A flask,

[00:58:54] conjured from thin air,

[00:58:55] was thrust into his shaking hands by Hermione.

[00:58:57] Harry lifted the silvery substance into it with his wand.

[00:59:00] When the flask was full to the brim,

[00:59:02] and Snape looked as though there was no blood left in him,

[00:59:05] his grip on Harry's robe slackened.

[00:59:07] And look at me,

[00:59:10] he whispered.

[00:59:12] The green eyes found black,

[00:59:14] but after a second,

[00:59:15] something in the depths of the dark pair seemed to vanish,

[00:59:18] leaving them fixed, blank, and empty.

[00:59:22] The hand holding Harry thudded to the floor,

[00:59:24] and Snape moved no more.

[00:59:27] I'm like so,

[00:59:28] I don't know.

[00:59:29] It feels like

[00:59:31] Snape is going,

[00:59:33] take this stuff,

[00:59:34] and then Harry takes it,

[00:59:36] and then he goes,

[00:59:36] look at me,

[00:59:37] so that like he can see that he's dying without that stuff inside him.

[00:59:42] Okay.

[00:59:43] And then maybe like Harry needs to like,

[00:59:45] drink it or something.

[00:59:46] Like I don't know.

[00:59:47] And then like maybe you can live,

[00:59:49] like maybe that was Snape's like life support potion,

[00:59:53] or like is that like something that Snape created?

[00:59:56] Is that like the aura of being like a dark wizard?

[00:59:59] So you're saying like even with this,

[01:00:01] like how Bathilda was,

[01:00:03] you know,

[01:00:04] the snake,

[01:00:04] how Snape is essentially just this silvery goo,

[01:00:07] just like he was dead weeks before,

[01:00:09] but he's just this silvery goo that,

[01:00:11] you know,

[01:00:11] he can reanimate to be Snape.

[01:00:12] He's not dead.

[01:00:13] Or he wasn't dead.

[01:00:15] Now he is dead,

[01:00:15] I guess.

[01:00:18] But why is he,

[01:00:19] it's like Snape has a mission.

[01:00:21] It's like he's,

[01:00:22] he's doing this purposefully,

[01:00:24] or I don't know.

[01:00:25] Maybe he would say it to anybody.

[01:00:27] Why does Harry know what this stuff is?

[01:00:31] Why indeed.

[01:00:32] Am I supposed to know what this is?

[01:00:34] No,

[01:00:34] you're supposed to take guesses.

[01:00:37] Oh,

[01:00:37] I mean,

[01:00:38] when other people read this,

[01:00:39] do other people know what it is?

[01:00:41] Or am I just dumb?

[01:00:43] Um,

[01:00:46] did you know what it was the first time you read it?

[01:00:48] I don't remember the first time I read it.

[01:00:49] If I knew what it was.

[01:00:50] Cause I mean,

[01:00:51] I'm different from you too,

[01:00:52] is that I literally flipped the next page and just kept reading.

[01:00:55] Lucky,

[01:00:55] you must be nice.

[01:00:56] You're stuck with this.

[01:00:58] Yeah.

[01:00:58] Um,

[01:00:59] I think a lot of people have guesses.

[01:01:03] I mean,

[01:01:03] like it's all guesses at this point.

[01:01:05] It makes sense what it is.

[01:01:08] I'll say that.

[01:01:12] It doesn't help you at all.

[01:01:14] One,

[01:01:15] you figure it out when you learn.

[01:01:16] It is going to be like,

[01:01:17] Oh,

[01:01:18] okay.

[01:01:18] Oh,

[01:01:19] a blue,

[01:01:20] not liquid,

[01:01:21] not gas substance.

[01:01:24] Makes sense.

[01:01:25] And they're putting it in a flask,

[01:01:26] a flask,

[01:01:28] which seems like it's going to get drank.

[01:01:33] Okay.

[01:01:35] I just feel like it's the life of Snape is like coming out of him.

[01:01:41] Profound.

[01:01:42] Yeah.

[01:01:43] Just jar that up real quick.

[01:01:45] Yeah.

[01:01:46] Add that to the potion shelf.

[01:01:48] Yeah.

[01:01:48] Maybe like you can destroy a Horcrux with that.

[01:01:51] What?

[01:01:52] Okay.

[01:01:52] So here's one question.

[01:01:54] Is,

[01:01:54] is Snape giving this up willingly?

[01:01:56] Does he have an option to hold this back or to give it?

[01:02:00] Is it like a memory?

[01:02:01] It's a memory.

[01:02:02] I don't know.

[01:02:03] It's a memory.

[01:02:04] Why would you say that?

[01:02:05] Because he needs Harry to go see something from Snape's point of view.

[01:02:12] What the heck can we know from Snape's point of view?

[01:02:15] Because Snape is with the Dark Lord all the time.

[01:02:19] Okay.

[01:02:19] So how is that going to help us defeat the Dark Lord in any way?

[01:02:22] Knowing information about him?

[01:02:23] I don't know what Snape knows.

[01:02:24] The Dark Lord has the Elder Wand now.

[01:02:26] It's his rightful owner.

[01:02:28] Yeah.

[01:02:29] What information could we learn from?

[01:02:31] Because Harry just needs to know he needs to destroy the Horcruxes.

[01:02:34] I don't know.

[01:02:34] I just feel like it's a memory that like,

[01:02:38] and then they put it in a jar and then they're going to pour it in the pensive.

[01:02:41] Okay.

[01:02:42] I don't know.

[01:02:42] That's my only coherent thought about this.

[01:02:45] I feel like there would just be a lot to gain from listening to Snape.

[01:02:50] I think Snape doesn't want to serve the Dark Lord.

[01:02:53] I feel like even just the fact that like him being the,

[01:02:58] the whatever head of Hogwarts,

[01:03:00] what's that thing called?

[01:03:02] Headmaster?

[01:03:03] Yeah.

[01:03:04] Headmaster.

[01:03:06] Like him being headmaster was like not even written into the book that much.

[01:03:10] And that makes me feel like he didn't want that job.

[01:03:13] Like,

[01:03:13] I don't know.

[01:03:14] I just,

[01:03:16] I think it's like the key of how to defeat Voldemort or something.

[01:03:19] Okay.

[01:03:19] Okay.

[01:03:20] I like it.

[01:03:21] I don't know.

[01:03:22] We'll see.

[01:03:22] Something like that.

[01:03:23] You can go home and read this right now.

[01:03:24] I think it is a memory though.

[01:03:25] That feels like a good idea.

[01:03:27] Is it a memory?

[01:03:28] Tell me if I'm right.

[01:03:29] No,

[01:03:29] I'm not going to tell you if you're right.

[01:03:30] You're going to,

[01:03:31] you can go home and read the next,

[01:03:33] like two pages and you'll figure it out.

[01:03:36] I can just,

[01:03:36] you can't do it now.

[01:03:37] Take a peek.

[01:03:38] Nope.

[01:03:40] Honestly,

[01:03:41] my self-control has been astonishing.

[01:03:44] I was actually,

[01:03:45] when I put that little note on the book,

[01:03:46] I was like shocked that you stopped at that point.

[01:03:49] Cause I was like right in the middle of the,

[01:03:50] I'm not like that at all.

[01:03:52] I've been really good for the podcast.

[01:03:54] Well done,

[01:03:55] Lizzie.

[01:03:55] For your sake.

[01:03:56] You're the best.

[01:03:57] Thank you.

[01:03:59] I'm Friday.

[01:04:01] Anything else in this chapter?

[01:04:03] I mean,

[01:04:03] this is essentially just like Baltimore is,

[01:04:05] is circling Snape talking about the elder wand saying he owns it.

[01:04:09] They kill him.

[01:04:10] All of a sudden this stuff oozes out of them.

[01:04:13] I was almost about to say what real quick.

[01:04:17] I mean,

[01:04:18] it doesn't really matter that much,

[01:04:19] but tell me,

[01:04:21] um,

[01:04:22] it'll be like,

[01:04:23] it's fun to hear from you too.

[01:04:25] I feel like rather than read this story,

[01:04:27] is it like,

[01:04:28] it's going to make sense to me when I hear it?

[01:04:30] Yeah.

[01:04:31] Okay.

[01:04:32] Cause then we can talk about it.

[01:04:33] You're right.

[01:04:34] It's memories.

[01:04:34] Okay.

[01:04:35] Let's go.

[01:04:36] So well done.

[01:04:37] So good.

[01:04:38] Yeah.

[01:04:38] I'm so proud of myself.

[01:04:39] Well done.

[01:04:40] That was a good guess.

[01:04:40] You circled it.

[01:04:41] We got there.

[01:04:42] See,

[01:04:42] I just need time to think.

[01:04:44] Agreed.

[01:04:44] Agreed.

[01:04:45] The brain is a little slow.

[01:04:47] You read this late at night last night.

[01:04:49] So yeah,

[01:04:49] you needed a little time.

[01:04:50] I read this like an hour ago.

[01:04:54] Yeah.

[01:04:56] It just needs time to circle around.

[01:04:59] Yeah.

[01:05:00] It's got to percolate a little bit.

[01:05:01] It's a memory.

[01:05:03] I see you tried to gaslight me,

[01:05:04] but I didn't.

[01:05:05] I didn't let you.

[01:05:07] I'm learning.

[01:05:09] Occlumency.

[01:05:10] Exactly.

[01:05:11] I won't let you get to me.

[01:05:12] You're trying to get it in now.

[01:05:15] Okay.

[01:05:16] So if it's a memory,

[01:05:17] it's definitely some memory with like Voldemort,

[01:05:20] I think.

[01:05:22] Or maybe like a Dumbledore memory.

[01:05:24] Yeah.

[01:05:24] Okay.

[01:05:24] So if these are memories,

[01:05:26] what do they contain?

[01:05:26] Or this is the memory.

[01:05:27] What does it contain?

[01:05:31] Maybe the things that Snape did when he was gone from Hogwarts.

[01:05:35] Like the,

[01:05:37] when everybody's like,

[01:05:38] Oh,

[01:05:38] where's Snape?

[01:05:39] Snape's not trustworthy.

[01:05:40] It's like the other side of that story of like,

[01:05:42] this is what I was actually doing.

[01:05:43] Like get my story straight.

[01:05:45] But when I die,

[01:05:46] don't let my name get smeared.

[01:05:49] And I,

[01:05:52] do you want to,

[01:05:53] this isn't,

[01:05:53] man,

[01:05:55] this is the weird part.

[01:05:56] Cause I want to correct your understanding.

[01:05:57] You need to take something out of your brain right now.

[01:05:59] Cause at this point,

[01:06:00] you know something that you shouldn't know.

[01:06:02] That Harry's a Horcrux.

[01:06:04] Okay.

[01:06:05] You shouldn't know that at this point.

[01:06:07] Yeah.

[01:06:08] So people go into this chapter.

[01:06:09] Which is funny to me because that's like the one thing that I've known the entire time.

[01:06:12] Yeah.

[01:06:13] It's like literally the whole point of the book.

[01:06:15] That would have changed so much.

[01:06:17] Okay.

[01:06:18] I need to forget that.

[01:06:20] Yeah.

[01:06:22] Okay.

[01:06:24] I mean,

[01:06:24] it doesn't,

[01:06:25] it doesn't like help you figure out what the exact contents of this memory are,

[01:06:28] but to some extent.

[01:06:33] Forgetting Harry's a Horcrux helps me understand what safe memory is.

[01:06:36] Well,

[01:06:36] like you'll know what the,

[01:06:38] so the memory,

[01:06:39] part of the memory,

[01:06:40] how Harry becomes a Horcrux.

[01:06:42] A smidgen of it is about that.

[01:06:43] So this is,

[01:06:44] Harry's going to look at this memory and then learn that he's a Horcrux.

[01:06:47] Okay.

[01:06:48] And that's where we learn it in the book.

[01:06:49] Gotcha.

[01:06:50] So like you by you already knowing that,

[01:06:52] like really that's kind of like a huge point of the epiphany is going to be gone.

[01:06:58] Yeah.

[01:06:58] Yeah.

[01:06:59] But it's still going to be a great chapter.

[01:07:00] Yeah.

[01:07:03] I mean,

[01:07:03] I still don't understand that completely.

[01:07:05] Cause I'm like,

[01:07:06] how are you,

[01:07:06] how are you going to kill?

[01:07:07] You can't kill Voldemort until you're dead,

[01:07:10] but surprise you're dead.

[01:07:12] You can't kill Voldemort.

[01:07:13] So it's like a dead end.

[01:07:16] You don't,

[01:07:16] I know it's a great point.

[01:07:18] It's a dead end.

[01:07:19] How is this going to happen?

[01:07:19] We'll talk about that.

[01:07:21] Cause Harry's going to get all the hallows.

[01:07:26] Maybe.

[01:07:27] I hear it's the hallows destroyed.

[01:07:28] The stone is not.

[01:07:31] Okay.

[01:07:31] So that's like,

[01:07:32] so this is actually a fascinating point because you're going to read the next few chapters just

[01:07:36] together.

[01:07:37] So like last year,

[01:07:38] we're just going to discuss all together.

[01:07:39] But if Harry realizes he's a Horcrux,

[01:07:43] he has to be destroyed.

[01:07:45] Then what is going to happen?

[01:07:47] I don't know because Harry has to be the one to kill Voldemort.

[01:07:50] Yeah.

[01:07:51] Unless if Voldemort tries to kill Harry and it does another like bounce back situation where

[01:07:56] like you can't die and Harry's like actually invincible.

[01:08:02] And then that's still not fulfilling the prophecy.

[01:08:05] Unless if you're going to get to the end of the story and they're going to be like,

[01:08:08] prophecies are fluid.

[01:08:09] They're what you make them.

[01:08:11] And then I'm just going to be mad that it's like that.

[01:08:13] Don't worry.

[01:08:13] It's not going to be that.

[01:08:14] Trelawney is going to come out of the attic and be like,

[01:08:15] yeah,

[01:08:16] just kidding.

[01:08:16] You don't really have to.

[01:08:17] The whole time.

[01:08:19] Yeah.

[01:08:21] Is Trelawney still around?

[01:08:22] Did she die or something?

[01:08:24] Like what happened to her?

[01:08:26] I haven't heard.

[01:08:26] She's still around.

[01:08:27] She's fighting.

[01:08:27] She's like.

[01:08:28] I haven't heard from her in a while.

[01:08:29] She's casting the crystal balls of people.

[01:08:32] It was great.

[01:08:33] It was a great little bit.

[01:08:34] She's like,

[01:08:34] I got more of them.

[01:08:37] Then she just throws them out the window.

[01:08:39] I was like,

[01:08:39] well,

[01:08:40] that wasn't great.

[01:08:41] But okay.

[01:08:42] Dude,

[01:08:43] the spiders would take me out if I saw those.

[01:08:45] It's coming in the door.

[01:08:46] I mean,

[01:08:46] I'd be out.

[01:08:47] I'd be like,

[01:08:47] I'd disappearate immediately.

[01:08:49] Is Hagrid dead now?

[01:08:51] Is he?

[01:08:52] I don't know.

[01:08:53] He's getting carried away in like a stampede of spiders.

[01:08:57] Yeah.

[01:08:58] So.

[01:08:59] That would suck.

[01:09:00] Part of me thinks that the spiders are like,

[01:09:03] oh no,

[01:09:03] they were going to hurt Hagrid.

[01:09:05] And then they like take Hagrid away.

[01:09:07] And then they're all going to have like a little powwow in the woods.

[01:09:09] I don't know about that one,

[01:09:10] but.

[01:09:10] We're saving Hagrid.

[01:09:13] Cause it didn't say like he got trampled on.

[01:09:15] He was like carried by them.

[01:09:17] That's kind of true.

[01:09:17] So they're still looking out for him.

[01:09:20] There's hope.

[01:09:22] Yeah.

[01:09:23] We'll see.

[01:09:23] Who else is in like up in the air right now?

[01:09:27] I mean,

[01:09:28] everyone in the castle is up in the air cause they're surrounded.

[01:09:30] True.

[01:09:31] Yeah.

[01:09:31] So anybody could die.

[01:09:33] I don't know if any of the,

[01:09:35] anyone has died yet.

[01:09:37] Actually.

[01:09:37] Like,

[01:09:37] I don't know if people are killing the death eaters or not.

[01:09:40] We just know a Fred.

[01:09:41] He's the only one that we know has died.

[01:09:44] I'm scared that like all of this is going to happen outside.

[01:09:48] Or like,

[01:09:50] well,

[01:09:50] they're in the shrieking shack.

[01:09:53] I don't know where it's going to happen,

[01:09:54] but then they're going to like do like a walkthrough and then just be like,

[01:09:57] oh,

[01:09:57] he's dead.

[01:09:58] She's dead.

[01:09:58] They're dead.

[01:09:59] I'll be like,

[01:09:59] no.

[01:10:08] You're finishing the entire,

[01:10:09] entire chunk.

[01:10:10] This is wild.

[01:10:11] I know it's a lot,

[01:10:12] but it's going to be good.

[01:10:13] I like,

[01:10:14] can't believe it's going to be over.

[01:10:17] But then we'll do the movies.

[01:10:18] Oh yeah.

[01:10:19] The movies are going to take forever.

[01:10:20] And we'll do star Wars movies.

[01:10:22] How many times have you watched the movies?

[01:10:24] Oh,

[01:10:25] like 20.

[01:10:26] You're not sick of them.

[01:10:28] No,

[01:10:29] they're great.

[01:10:29] They're fun.

[01:10:30] Cause these aren't movies that like,

[01:10:32] I don't know.

[01:10:33] I get sick of certain movies,

[01:10:34] but these ones,

[01:10:35] like I have it on the bat in the background.

[01:10:37] Like I don't like watch these adamantly.

[01:10:38] I'm not going to like sit down and watch the Harry Potter movies,

[01:10:40] but like throw them on.

[01:10:41] Cause they're like little comfort movies.

[01:10:43] I like sit and like cook dinner and quote the entire movie as it's playing.

[01:10:47] You know,

[01:10:47] I can like talk as much as I want during the movie,

[01:10:49] right?

[01:10:49] Yeah.

[01:10:49] Okay.

[01:10:50] Cause that'll be fun.

[01:10:51] Yeah.

[01:10:51] It'll be fun.

[01:10:52] Cause I can just tell you like every little difference.

[01:10:54] Yes.

[01:10:54] Yep.

[01:10:56] The,

[01:10:56] I've only watched a movie like other than childhood where like national treasure or

[01:11:01] something is like always on.

[01:11:03] I've only watched movies like three times at the most.

[01:11:07] I like don't rewatch movies.

[01:11:09] Really?

[01:11:10] Yeah.

[01:11:10] Well,

[01:11:10] I don't really watch movies in general.

[01:11:12] So why do I rewatch them?

[01:11:14] Lord of the Rings,

[01:11:15] Lord of the Rings.

[01:11:15] The only one that we were at rewatch.

[01:11:17] Well,

[01:11:18] the grand total of two times.

[01:11:20] That's true.

[01:11:20] So I got to get on my yearly trilogy grind for that.

[01:11:27] Yes.

[01:11:27] It's the best.

[01:11:30] Trelawney might die.

[01:11:32] Not that we bring her up.

[01:11:34] It'd be a bummer if Trelawney died.

[01:11:37] Yeah.

[01:11:37] I love her.

[01:11:38] Like what's anybody got against her?

[01:11:40] Someone did message me on discord and be like,

[01:11:42] Hey,

[01:11:42] by the way,

[01:11:44] I fully agree with you about Trelawney's predictions,

[01:11:47] all of her predictions being right.

[01:11:49] I bet you love that.

[01:11:50] I was like,

[01:11:51] let's go another person on my side.

[01:11:53] So pumped.

[01:11:54] That's cool.

[01:11:55] That's why you're in the community.

[01:11:56] So you guys can find each other.

[01:11:58] I know exactly.

[01:11:59] That's what we nerds can nerd out together.

[01:12:02] Niche opinions.

[01:12:04] Exactly.

[01:12:05] I mean,

[01:12:06] you kind of converted me like pretty early on.

[01:12:10] I definitely like have my doubts.

[01:12:13] Like I'm not going to sing her praises,

[01:12:14] but many of the things do seem to align to her prophecies.

[01:12:20] Oh yeah.

[01:12:21] Don't worry.

[01:12:21] Well,

[01:12:21] I can go through all of her predictions and explain every one of her predictions.

[01:12:26] She,

[01:12:27] so you know that Harry's a horcrux in one point.

[01:12:30] And this is like one of the last things I'll say before we wrap it up.

[01:12:32] In one point,

[01:12:33] she predicts that Harry has a December birthday and Harry's like,

[01:12:36] ha ha,

[01:12:37] you're an idiot.

[01:12:37] Nope.

[01:12:38] My birthday is in July.

[01:12:41] Voldemort has a December birthday.

[01:12:43] So most people think that what she's doing is she's reading the chunk of

[01:12:48] Voldemort.

[01:12:48] That's the horcrux inside Harry.

[01:12:51] That is Voldemort piece of Voldemort being inside of Harry.

[01:12:54] And that's what she's seeing.

[01:12:56] I like that.

[01:12:57] That's interesting.

[01:12:58] I can come up with the explanation for all the other ones as well.

[01:13:01] She's the best.

[01:13:02] She's my fave.

[01:13:03] Except the fact that every year a student's supposed to die and nobody's ever

[01:13:06] died.

[01:13:10] That's the only one that she can't answer.

[01:13:11] She hasn't.

[01:13:12] No,

[01:13:12] no,

[01:13:12] she doesn't predict they're going to die within a year's end.

[01:13:16] You know how many students have died at Hogwarts?

[01:13:18] Everybody's going to die.

[01:13:19] Yeah,

[01:13:20] but maybe not like that.

[01:13:21] So she's not,

[01:13:22] she's not predicting of natural causes of death.

[01:13:24] She's predicting dramatic moments of death.

[01:13:27] Fred said you're at any point in their life.

[01:13:29] Yeah.

[01:13:30] We're talking about like,

[01:13:30] yeah,

[01:13:30] no,

[01:13:31] like every year she picks like one death student.

[01:13:34] Yeah.

[01:13:34] Because every year there's probably some dramatic person that's going to die.

[01:13:41] I'll justify that.

[01:13:42] We don't know all the people that she picked.

[01:13:43] I kind of wish we had a list of all the people that she picked so I can

[01:13:45] justify it.

[01:13:46] Yeah.

[01:13:46] But you know,

[01:13:47] their stories.

[01:13:48] Yeah.

[01:13:51] That's all we got though.

[01:13:52] Anything else in these?

[01:13:53] Like how Harry closes his eyes and then he's watching Snape from Voldemort's

[01:13:58] point of view.

[01:13:59] And so just like being in the,

[01:14:01] that's just occlumency,

[01:14:03] right?

[01:14:03] Like that's.

[01:14:04] Legilimency.

[01:14:04] Yeah.

[01:14:04] Legilimency.

[01:14:05] That's like how that is normally.

[01:14:06] Yep.

[01:14:07] I really like how we got to the point of like being able to do that.

[01:14:11] Well,

[01:14:11] actually,

[01:14:13] legilimency is a little different.

[01:14:14] Legilimency is more so like reading a person's mind.

[01:14:16] The reason that Harry is able to like see through his eyes is because of their

[01:14:23] connection.

[01:14:24] Yeah.

[01:14:24] So legilimency,

[01:14:25] you can't ever really do that.

[01:14:27] So like if he was legilimencying him from the,

[01:14:31] the little tunnel,

[01:14:32] that would still be like,

[01:14:35] you're watching it in your mind,

[01:14:36] but you're watching it like third person,

[01:14:39] right?

[01:14:39] You're not like.

[01:14:42] Yeah.

[01:14:42] Yeah.

[01:14:44] No,

[01:14:45] I think it's actually,

[01:14:45] you're watching it through his mind.

[01:14:46] You're seeing it.

[01:14:48] Um,

[01:14:50] like through his eyes.

[01:14:52] That's kind of what I picture this one.

[01:14:53] Even like legilimency earlier in the series,

[01:14:56] you're not living through somebody's.

[01:14:58] Yeah.

[01:14:58] Whatever they're doing right now.

[01:15:00] It's like,

[01:15:00] you're looking into.

[01:15:01] Yeah.

[01:15:02] You're looking into their brain.

[01:15:03] Like whatever memories.

[01:15:06] Yeah.

[01:15:07] Like to see if they're telling the truth.

[01:15:08] It's not like you're following them around in there.

[01:15:10] I mean,

[01:15:10] I guess like if we're going to get real scientific,

[01:15:12] like your site is just like a file in your brain.

[01:15:16] So if you have access to that file,

[01:15:19] you can see what the person's seeing.

[01:15:21] If you want to get real nerdy and scientific about it.

[01:15:23] I don't really know anything about that.

[01:15:24] Like,

[01:15:25] I don't know anything about the brain.

[01:15:26] You probably know a heck of a lot more than I do.

[01:15:27] So.

[01:15:28] Probably not.

[01:15:31] Hmm.

[01:15:32] Interesting.

[01:15:33] I am excited for the,

[01:15:34] the fantastic beast movies.

[01:15:36] Cause there's one character that I think you'll like.

[01:15:38] Who's like a legitimate.

[01:15:40] And it's interesting to see how this person can read minds.

[01:15:42] It's really,

[01:15:43] it's kind of fun.

[01:15:46] I feel like I am an occlumens now.

[01:15:48] Cause I like,

[01:15:48] don't let you guess.

[01:15:50] You would be the world's greatest occlumens after this podcast.

[01:15:54] I've trained you,

[01:15:54] right?

[01:15:54] Just like unfazed by whatever you're saying.

[01:15:57] Yeah.

[01:15:57] I don't think so.

[01:15:59] I do think just in this world too,

[01:16:00] I think you'd actually be a really good occlumens.

[01:16:03] Why?

[01:16:04] Just like not listening to me.

[01:16:07] You just shut people out.

[01:16:09] You don't listen to people.

[01:16:10] And that you don't,

[01:16:11] I don't think you,

[01:16:12] at least you don't show on the outside.

[01:16:16] Like when things get to you,

[01:16:18] you're just like a very tough individual.

[01:16:20] I feel like tough individuals can be occlumens.

[01:16:23] So.

[01:16:23] Cool.

[01:16:24] I gotcha.

[01:16:25] I like that.

[01:16:28] Well,

[01:16:29] that's all we got.

[01:16:30] I can't wait to finish this book.

[01:16:32] I know.

[01:16:34] You can enjoy it and read.

[01:16:35] Yep.

[01:16:37] Um,

[01:16:38] it's gonna be great.

[01:16:40] Well,

[01:16:41] thanks for joining us on our journey of Harry Potter and the second time reader.

[01:16:45] Bye.

[01:16:46] See ya.

[01:16:47] Bye.