Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Ch 28-29

[00:00:00] and so they're looking for the diadem. Do you actually think that this is the object

[00:00:04] that they need to be looking for? Or do you think that it's a different object? And if

[00:00:09] it's the same one, where do you think this object is, this diadem?

[00:00:13] But didn't we say it was a Ravenclaw of the crown?

[00:00:17] Yeah, that's the diadem. And then we were kind of saying it needs to be a Ravenclaw

[00:00:22] object. That was the idea. What's a diadem?

[00:00:29] I forgot.

[00:00:30] And then, yeah, Jon explained it for us as being something like a crown.

[00:00:35] Sounds like a diorama.

[00:00:40] Diorama on your head to make you witty. It's, I am thinking it is the Horcrux. What

[00:00:50] do you have going on over there making jokes to yourself? Close in. We like your jokes.

[00:00:56] No, I just, Jon, can you use this as the intro? I don't know. I need it.

[00:01:02] So please don't use this.

[00:01:05] So always the best part. Anytime Jenn says a joke under her breath and I miss it, it's

[00:01:09] the most enjoyable thing for me to go back and actually see what it is. And I'm editing

[00:01:13] and I'm like cracking up because you said hilarious joke.

[00:01:16] You're the group comedian.

[00:01:17] Oh yeah.

[00:01:18] It's so funny.

[00:01:20] Where are you saying?

[00:01:25] I think it is a Horcrux.

[00:01:29] So let's do inventory again, do inventory. So what are the Horcrux's like every podcast?

[00:01:34] No, no, it's a good way to start just to see if our minds have been changed at all.

[00:01:38] What are the Horcruxes that they got?

[00:01:40] The Gini.

[00:01:41] So what are they just, yeah, the Ring, the Gini, the Locket?

[00:01:48] Are there six or seven?

[00:01:50] Six and seven is Voldemort.

[00:01:52] Okay. Seven parts, yeah.

[00:01:56] Journal, Ring, Locket, Cup, Gini, a Hogwarts hidden one.

[00:02:02] That's what the cup is what they got from the vault.

[00:02:07] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:02:08] And we kind of have that confirmed like this type of stuff because we Harry saw into

[00:02:14] Voldemort's mind.

[00:02:15] So we all got to see in his mind.

[00:02:17] And as long as that's not a trick, like it was in the Ministry of Magic, unfortunately,

[00:02:22] then we kind of know what the deal is.

[00:02:25] And so we know the journals destroyed, the Ring is destroyed, the Lockets destroyed.

[00:02:31] They have the cup.

[00:02:34] They kind of know where Gini is going to be roughly of Voldemort's side.

[00:02:38] And according to Voldemort, it feels like they're all the glasses on all slides.

[00:02:48] Like and it's same Patrick's day.

[00:02:50] Just going to leave them on for a minute.

[00:02:53] And then there's one in Hogwarts.

[00:02:55] So if you like that kind of gives us a good amount of information and that's what makes

[00:03:01] me think the one at Hogwarts is the Diadem.

[00:03:06] We just don't know where.

[00:03:07] And then you had said something about it potentially being that that tiara I couldn't

[00:03:11] get off my mind from back in the day.

[00:03:13] But then it just feels like that was just a random thing like just to throw tiaras into

[00:03:18] our minds as like something in the Wizarding world or like a thing that they wear at weddings

[00:03:23] or whatever.

[00:03:24] Or maybe it's the one that's in the family, which is also possible.

[00:03:28] But the part that gets me though is in the love good household, it feels like this

[00:03:34] Diadem was a little more substantial and didn't have like ear looking things on it.

[00:03:39] So I feel like the Ravenclaw one.

[00:03:42] Maybe only one to remember those days.

[00:03:46] But I feel like it looked bigger and more like weird.

[00:03:51] Like a zany special kind of like Diadem almost feels extreme because it's not like

[00:03:56] three properties of the Diadem.

[00:03:57] So he was using extra things general.

[00:03:59] Ooh, okay.

[00:04:00] Interesting.

[00:04:01] So he was using things that he believes give the person what the Diadem actually gave you.

[00:04:07] So he's trying to just mimic the effects of the Diadem.

[00:04:12] It's not actually how the Diadem is shaped.

[00:04:14] Okay, so that's interesting too because then it does open up more that it could be either

[00:04:20] of the two tiaras we know exist and one of them we know is goblin made and it was taken

[00:04:25] by Lupin unless it wasn't really Lupin.

[00:04:28] So I feel like it has to be at Hogwarts though.

[00:04:36] That's why it can't be the Lupin one unless there was something else that Dumbledore did

[00:04:40] without Voldemort knowing.

[00:04:43] So I know I had to just catch up a little bit.

[00:04:47] But was that jar in any memories, any ideas about the Diadem, about Hogwarts, about

[00:04:52] what's your natural instinct on where this final horror crux is?

[00:04:55] John, well, everything.

[00:04:59] His love in this is so great.

[00:05:09] Man, I said the room of requirement last time right that I thought maybe it was one

[00:05:15] of those in the room because in one of them there was a bunch of junk and it was

[00:05:22] sitting in there.

[00:05:23] Like the one that we mentioned from back in the day that was actually like a few books

[00:05:27] ago.

[00:05:28] Yes, and maybe it's like a few books ago.

[00:05:29] And see if anyone can find it or isn't a bunch of junk so good luck finding it.

[00:05:33] Like man, you're right.

[00:05:34] That actually does make some sense because it would be hard to find.

[00:05:38] But put it there though.

[00:05:39] Voldemort?

[00:05:40] Well, that's the question is Voldemort that daft to put it there?

[00:05:43] Yeah, like anyone can end up there.

[00:05:45] You mentioned before, like, no but not anyone because it was only the room requirement

[00:05:49] you have to ask for a certain type of room.

[00:05:51] Yeah, but even if you really have to go to the bathroom it could show up.

[00:05:54] You know what I mean?

[00:05:55] It's like any student who has a need.

[00:05:57] But does he know that?

[00:05:59] I would think it feels like Voldemort kind of knows his stuff.

[00:06:03] I still think there's a flaw in his plan somewhere that we don't really know what it is

[00:06:07] quite yet.

[00:06:08] But it does feel like he knows enough about Hogwarts.

[00:06:11] And what do we...

[00:06:13] Didn't he also...

[00:06:14] The way he said it, I'm trying to remember we might have to look back.

[00:06:17] But I thought he was saying something about plumbing the depths of Hogwarts like more

[00:06:25] than anyone else.

[00:06:26] Yeah, and then I said oh maybe it's like the same area but these baths, so let's...

[00:06:32] Right, right exactly in the chamber.

[00:06:34] And that would make sense too.

[00:06:35] But for it to be farther than anybody else, he opened the chamber of secrets.

[00:06:40] So at that point it really does make sense because maybe it wasn't open in so long since

[00:06:44] it was made or whatever.

[00:06:45] I mentioned last time that is this his pride speaking about him knowing things or is this

[00:06:49] just really he plumbed the depths of the school?

[00:06:52] Which do you think is a more likely one that he's just prideful and thought he did, and

[00:06:56] really everyone knows about this?

[00:06:58] Or that he actually legitimately discovered something that no one else has discovered in

[00:07:02] the castle.

[00:07:03] But what could be pretty true?

[00:07:06] Yeah.

[00:07:07] I think he can also think he's the only one that knows about their room, no?

[00:07:11] We already know he's flawed because well yes partially.

[00:07:15] But wasn't the Tierra on top of the vanishing cabinet or something that Harry got in which

[00:07:23] sent him to Borgon and Birx?

[00:07:28] Wasn't it in that whole thing where he was in the room of requirement, or was that where

[00:07:32] it was?

[00:07:33] He like no no, he was hiding something in the room of requirement.

[00:07:36] Yeah, I remember where it was by saying I'm going to put it in this thing that has

[00:07:40] the tiara or that thingy or something.

[00:07:43] He had a snake book on like the dark, the tragic stuff that he wanted to hide because

[00:07:48] he wanted to keep his spells but not have it.

[00:07:51] So that's where he went to hide it.

[00:07:53] Right, right.

[00:07:55] Okay.

[00:07:58] We know that Voldemort and Snape and other people didn't know where this final tunnel,

[00:08:05] what we usually can't even say final, this new tunnel that they just used to go from

[00:08:09] Aberforth's house into Hogwarts.

[00:08:12] So again, that's kind of saying there's a little bit of pride here.

[00:08:16] Voldemort thinks he's like he knows it the best but voila, a new thing appears.

[00:08:21] So he clearly doesn't know it well enough unless this is all a trap to get Harry into

[00:08:25] Hogwarts and they did know that this was a path and they're just like kind of spying.

[00:08:30] But it feels like they've blocked every other entrance.

[00:08:35] They missed this one.

[00:08:37] So however much Voldemort thinks he knows everything about Hogwarts, there's stuff he doesn't

[00:08:41] know.

[00:08:42] Side note, why haven't they used this map?

[00:08:44] The marauders, map of the while they're in Hogwarts?

[00:08:47] Wouldn't that help finding all this stuff and like being on the lookout for death eaters

[00:08:52] coming to find them?

[00:08:55] Yeah, Harry only pulls it out at one point in this chapter when they leave the room requirement

[00:09:00] but they should probably done that before it.

[00:09:01] It's like double check.

[00:09:02] You know where they were going.

[00:09:03] Right.

[00:09:04] Right.

[00:09:05] It's ridiculous that like he's looking at it.

[00:09:08] Luna leads him up to the room and then they get discovered by the caros.

[00:09:14] You're like why didn't they just watch the map and double check that?

[00:09:18] It's the perfect way of like monitoring and the map is so powerful, it almost feels scary

[00:09:25] to even bring it out of the room because you don't want that falling into the wrong

[00:09:27] hands because then they'll be able to track down all of these other people and like guard

[00:09:32] it the castle even stronger.

[00:09:34] So it feels like they're being a little bit foolish with the map, maybe not treating

[00:09:40] it with the respected deserves.

[00:09:42] But there's a spell to make it blank too.

[00:09:45] Yeah, fair.

[00:09:46] So as long as you can mischief manage that thing right before it falls into the wrong

[00:09:52] hands.

[00:09:53] Well we'll talk about that at the end but welcome to the podcast I'm John.

[00:09:57] Danny and Kristen.

[00:09:59] This is Harry Potter and the Versailles readers.

[00:10:04] Okay, can you guys give me a quick summary of chapter 28?

[00:10:17] Yeah, Kristen.

[00:10:18] Oh, it's not reading my face.

[00:10:22] Sorry.

[00:10:23] Wow.

[00:10:24] It's not used to wearing glasses like that.

[00:10:26] I was like a creeper behind bars.

[00:10:29] Yeah, like hiding in the shamrock.

[00:10:32] Okay, I read this before it doesn't fully make sense to me.

[00:10:36] They land the trio lands in Hogsmead, right?

[00:10:39] But they're they fall into a trap of being discovered by death eaters, right?

[00:10:44] They try to escape but someone drags them into the bar convincing and this person convinces

[00:10:49] the death eaters that the patronus that they saw was a goat and not a stag.

[00:10:54] This person was Aberforth and he explains to the trio what happens would happen to Arianna

[00:11:00] and then at the end Neville makes a grand entrance out of the frame.

[00:11:05] Yeah, perfect.

[00:11:06] That's what I got.

[00:11:07] What do you guys think of their plan?

[00:11:10] Do you think that they should have planned this more or do you think they should have really

[00:11:13] just gone in?

[00:11:14] Plan what?

[00:11:16] Then going into Hogsmead and going to Hogwarts try to find this object.

[00:11:23] I don't know how it planning helped.

[00:11:26] I feel like they don't even know what the heck is going on.

[00:11:29] So what are you planning for?

[00:11:31] Or again, like you don't even know where they are.

[00:11:33] You don't know.

[00:11:34] Yeah, I think it was fine.

[00:11:38] Wow, it's intense.

[00:11:39] Like what else are you supposed to do though?

[00:11:42] Is either you sit around and wait or you go and make moves.

[00:11:45] It just felt too aggressive to operate to the middle of town.

[00:11:49] They were operated before it was.

[00:11:51] Yeah, I'm like, operate way outskirts and approach really slowly.

[00:11:56] And on foot, again, I'm thinking I'm loving some of those muggle stuff.

[00:12:01] Harry, dig in the grave, et cetera.

[00:12:02] I feel like this is a perfect example where the muggle approach might be under the radar

[00:12:09] the most.

[00:12:10] You operate far out outside of the little shield charms and stuff and then just hike

[00:12:16] in.

[00:12:17] Yeah, right, right.

[00:12:18] Yeah, right.

[00:12:19] Right.

[00:12:20] Do the spells to look different and all that.

[00:12:21] But it feels like it was their operation that triggered the spell that made the alarm kind

[00:12:27] of go off or whatever it was.

[00:12:29] So then the death eaters knew where they were.

[00:12:33] So it feels like they should have maybe started farther away because Hogsmeade isn't far

[00:12:39] enough.

[00:12:42] Even the forbidden forest or somewhere kind of weird or like, I don't know.

[00:12:46] They could have been worth doing something like that.

[00:12:51] But I also understand that they're desperate and they like the rush for time, they didn't

[00:12:55] have time to sit down and come up with a really grand plan.

[00:12:59] They probably also didn't feel like they had time to operate outside and hike in, I guess.

[00:13:04] So maybe they're just blinded by this accelerated timeline.

[00:13:11] And they're nervous that they're missing their window of opportunity.

[00:13:14] So because the Harry saw into Voldemort's mind, which is why they operated to Hogsmeade.

[00:13:21] Yeah, but see that's also the scary thing.

[00:13:24] There's still a chance we don't think so, but there's always a chance that Voldemort

[00:13:28] is manipulating.

[00:13:29] So you always have to just try to be, imagine one step ahead and say, according to everything

[00:13:35] I've seen of Voldemort's mind, I need to go to Hogwords right now.

[00:13:40] So maybe I shouldn't go directly there because it's too clear of a path where it's like,

[00:13:49] it just feels like they think they have the advantage.

[00:13:53] But what if they don't and what if this is a plan and a trap and whatever?

[00:13:57] And as it is, they're kind of stumbling through, but they've gotten pretty lucky before

[00:14:01] in the ministry.

[00:14:02] And they got super lucky here because they get their, this catawalling charm goes off

[00:14:07] and they're literally about like, they're like inches away from the death eaters.

[00:14:11] And they're about to be caught before Aberforth, who they don't know is Aberforth's time,

[00:14:16] tells them to get into the bar or they get into the bar and like, I know it's like you're

[00:14:19] trusting someone but I guess it's personal destiny.

[00:14:22] Right sure.

[00:14:23] They don't have too many other options there.

[00:14:24] Right, right.

[00:14:27] But that's even the one crazy moment in this too because you don't Aberforth whether

[00:14:33] you trust in him or not is a really fascinating question.

[00:14:36] Like do you think he's a reliable storyteller?

[00:14:39] How much of his story do you actually think is the like dead on truth?

[00:14:44] Is he being honest about the entire thing that happened with Ariana and with Dumpt

[00:14:49] with his brother?

[00:14:50] He has some good moments because when he tells them about the dough, or when he tells them

[00:14:57] about the, what is it?

[00:15:00] The goat, Ron goes, the silver dough he exclaimed excitedly.

[00:15:04] Was that you too?

[00:15:05] What are you talking about, is that Aberforth sent a dough patronus to us.

[00:15:10] Brains like that, you could be a death eater son.

[00:15:12] Haven't I just proved my patronus as a goat?

[00:15:14] I'm so rotten.

[00:15:15] Yeah, well, I'm hungry.

[00:15:17] He had to defend him.

[00:15:18] He was just an amazing enormous rumble.

[00:15:21] And then he says, my brother, Albus was a lot of things at Aberforth and people had

[00:15:26] a habit of getting hurt while he was carrying out his grand plans.

[00:15:29] You get away from the school potter and out of the country, if you can forget my brother

[00:15:33] in his clever schemes.

[00:15:34] He's gotten, he's gone where none of us can hurt him.

[00:15:38] And you don't owe him anything.

[00:15:40] Is he a reliable narrator storyteller?

[00:15:46] Maybe.

[00:15:47] Oh no, there's a lot of emotions behind it.

[00:15:52] Yeah.

[00:15:53] Like where there's a lot of emotions, it can't be too reliable because it's like just

[00:15:59] from him with what he experienced.

[00:16:01] But I feel like he thinks he's telling the truth.

[00:16:05] Yeah, it's true to him.

[00:16:07] Yeah, but can you trust something that's emotionally charged?

[00:16:10] Absolutely.

[00:16:11] What was like an aggressive manner?

[00:16:15] He seems a little or jilted.

[00:16:17] It's the word not from your perspective, but objective.

[00:16:21] Objective.

[00:16:22] I don't know if he can be super objective.

[00:16:26] Well, it's another side of the story because we were unsure what happened.

[00:16:37] So we do learn kind of what happens with Ariana too because he says it destroyed her what

[00:16:42] they did.

[00:16:43] She was never right again.

[00:16:44] She wouldn't use magic but she couldn't get rid of it.

[00:16:47] It turned inward and drove her mad.

[00:16:49] It exploded out of her when she couldn't control it.

[00:16:52] And at times was strange and dangerous but mostly she was sweet and scared and harmless.

[00:17:00] What do you think that looks like?

[00:17:03] Like this, the idea of magic being suppressed inside you is this really what's happening

[00:17:07] with Ariana again.

[00:17:08] Like what is the whole what is this contribute to this whole narrative as well?

[00:17:16] It doesn't quite satisfy me.

[00:17:20] Even about it just feels like it could be true, but it's kind of new.

[00:17:24] We haven't heard much about it.

[00:17:25] It still doesn't feel like the full story.

[00:17:30] It leaves me wanting more or like from another perspective or I'm hoping there's I don't

[00:17:36] know how we can discover more but what was it really quickly again though Ariana?

[00:17:40] Like she had the power.

[00:17:42] She got made fun of as a kid so she didn't want to use it.

[00:17:46] And I would backfire.

[00:17:47] We so often when she couldn't control her emotions but Abba or yeah, he was the only one that

[00:17:54] could calm her down.

[00:17:55] It sounded like but he wasn't around one time and then she reacted and killed her mom by

[00:18:01] accident with the magic and then she was upset about it.

[00:18:06] And then what happened?

[00:18:07] She killed herself not that she killed herself but it happened again.

[00:18:11] I don't remember.

[00:18:13] So I'm just asking for the story.

[00:18:15] The story is a little hard to follow for this a little bit but he when she killed her

[00:18:21] mother or when she got like bullied her father went after the guys, the kids and then that's

[00:18:27] why he gets in the band.

[00:18:28] The whole family is still taking care of her magic turned inward for a little bit where

[00:18:34] she had a lash out because she wouldn't she refused to use it so her magic turned inward.

[00:18:39] And then when she killed her mother, Albus told Abba fourth he needed to stay at school

[00:18:44] and Albus came back and took care of her but Albus didn't really know how to take

[00:18:47] care of her that well.

[00:18:49] And then so Abba fourth was like I'll drop out and take care of her because he knew how

[00:18:53] to do it well but that's when Grindelwald came in the picture and Albus had this grand

[00:18:58] plan with Grindelwald because they live in the same area and they started hatching this

[00:19:02] plan and then there was a fight between all of them, they kind of broke out and he said

[00:19:08] like I don't know which one of us did it but she was you know in the crossfire.

[00:19:13] I couldn't remember.

[00:19:18] And I think it's weird at the end of it after their mother dies, Dumbledore says Abba fourth

[00:19:27] needs to finish his education and kind of makes him and then watches Ariana and even that

[00:19:34] just still felt a little funny and Abba fourth felt bitter about it still like he's like

[00:19:41] he said something about Mr. Brilliant like he's being sarcastic there's no prizes for

[00:19:46] looking after your half mad sister stopping her blowing up the house every other day but

[00:19:55] he did it all right for a few weeks I don't know so it just feels funny that he's mad

[00:20:00] at Dumbledore it seems but then he's also even admitting that Dumbledore is sacrificing

[00:20:06] renown or glory or whatever else for his sister so I guess I'm not totally sure what

[00:20:13] the anger comes from like what what did Dumbledore do at this point isn't he doing the right

[00:20:18] thing by sacrificing what he was doing going around the world with Doge and he hates

[00:20:25] like his attitude about it.

[00:20:27] He was like Abba fourth would have gladly dropped out and taken care of her but Albus is

[00:20:30] like oh he's the he's the man to the house but he's not really good at it so I think he

[00:20:35] was like the attitude with which some wood with Albus took care of that rather than

[00:20:38] just like actually wanting to do it because he kept throwing little shades in there about

[00:20:44] like oh then he can go off and be like no the greatest wizard of the age or pursue

[00:20:48] his goals to become the greatest wizard of the age whatever it is.

[00:20:53] They were looking for halos grand plans for the benefit of all wizard kind for the greater

[00:20:59] good.

[00:21:00] Yeah it's weird.

[00:21:05] Yeah it's just like a kind of like a story thrown in there that yeah it's a weird is

[00:21:13] a weird digest it's like what is this what do you do with this info?

[00:21:16] What do you how do you view Grindelwald after this whole story I mean you guys thought he

[00:21:22] was going to be like the new mentor for a while.

[00:21:25] I was hoping.

[00:21:30] I don't know how do you view him?

[00:21:33] I'm sure about Abba.

[00:21:34] Grindelwald like after all this like I have partially positive views but I'm also thinking

[00:21:40] that the fight between Grindelwald and Dumbledore could have been a real fight like an actual

[00:21:46] fight over they bonded at first over some ideas of the halos and trying to bring things together

[00:21:54] and then there was somewhere where they had different ideas of how to achieve the greater

[00:21:58] good. And it could have been a real fight so maybe we really don't like Grindelwald and

[00:22:03] maybe he was locked up for a reason and it wasn't just so he could wait for Voldemort

[00:22:08] to come one day and be like ha ha got you it might have actually been just too but we

[00:22:16] just don't know.

[00:22:18] Now I think it's 65% bad.

[00:22:21] I was wondering if it was way different before he's more bad than he's ever been in my mind now.

[00:22:29] What if he was convicted for her death then what do you go to prison?

[00:22:33] Maybe wait do we know much more I'm like trying to get what made up.

[00:22:39] I mean because he didn't want something else on his shoulders.

[00:22:44] Even if he didn't even if they don't didn't know he did it or not no one they don't really know who

[00:22:48] did it but I'm trying to figure out why he was up there unless he stole the wand from someone

[00:22:59] and they caught him and put him there. The elder one and then gave it to Dumbledore.

[00:23:11] He stole it from someone gave it to Dumbledore I went to prison all for the greater good.

[00:23:19] Yeah. I don't know. It's very strange.

[00:23:22] And you know what else is weird?

[00:23:25] He, Abberfort says he never said why he'd done it because if the ministry had known what

[00:23:30] Ariana had become she'd have been locked up in St. Mungo's for good.

[00:23:37] And then I thought is that a bad bad thing because isn't that where Neville's parents are?

[00:23:44] And so then I was like oh I guess I'm stuck in this weird place of is St. Mungo's a bad

[00:23:51] torturous kind of like terrible existence or is it like a nursing home and a nice place where

[00:23:56] they're treated with care and they have people who are qualified to treat illnesses.

[00:24:01] So then I'm like well maybe back in this day it wasn't and it's been reformed since then.

[00:24:05] I don't know. It probably has something to do with stigmas as well.

[00:24:09] Like you, Neville's parents is more like a nursing home but for someone who is like I don't know

[00:24:16] someone that's dealing with something. I don't know what a different stigma would be.

[00:24:20] A serious threat to the international statute of secrecy?

[00:24:24] Is that the Muggle Wizard thing like they Muggles can't know about it?

[00:24:28] Yeah. So she's a threat to that because

[00:24:34] she's not really a Muggle but if the magic turns in...

[00:24:37] Yeah she can't really control her magic again.

[00:24:39] So it could accidentally like explode uncontrolled and then Muggles could see?

[00:24:50] Yeah. I think teacher how to use it.

[00:24:53] Is it too late to teacher how to use magic?

[00:24:55] Yeah, I'm like why would they teach us certain things to control it?

[00:25:00] Yeah, it does feel weird. Like the path to get here

[00:25:07] it feels like there were other options or like they should have known

[00:25:11] or maybe this is really weird and this isn't normal and usually you could just kind of decide not

[00:25:16] to do magic. I'll give you a little bit of information. This is like a specific case.

[00:25:23] This is called something. I'm not going to really tell you what it's called.

[00:25:27] Oh, okay. But it's very rare. It doesn't really happen that often but when a wizard's magic turns inward

[00:25:33] it's like they don't really know what to do with it.

[00:25:37] It hasn't really been studied all that much and it can be very very dangerous.

[00:25:42] So they would probably rather put you in like a padded cell

[00:25:46] than actually give you the treatment that you need.

[00:25:48] Okay because it is unknown. They don't even know how to do it.

[00:25:50] Yeah, they don't really know what they're doing.

[00:25:52] So it's like I'm kind of equating it. Remember we read that Shurister in book club once the yellow wallpaper?

[00:26:00] Oh yeah, yeah. She has, I forgot what she had but it was like they don't know...

[00:26:06] She had depression or something like that and they're like treating her in all the wrong ways

[00:26:09] that she doesn't really need to be treated because it's like the weird stigma about like you know

[00:26:12] someone having depression. I forget exactly what it was but it's something like that where they have

[00:26:17] no research on this and they're kind of just like okay let's just throw under padded cell

[00:26:21] just to keep everyone else safe rather than really caring about her.

[00:26:27] You'll learn more about that in like extra canonical things

[00:26:32] or not extra it's canon but in like yeah like outside of the books then.

[00:26:36] That's actually really fascinating but we'll get there when we get there.

[00:26:41] It also, it's funny that on 567 Ron and Hermione were staring at Harry

[00:26:48] he had never gone into details about what had happened on the island, on the lake.

[00:26:55] The events that had taken place after he and Dumbledore had returned to Hogwarts

[00:26:59] had eclipsed it so thoroughly and that's all fine but again I think it shows the immaturity

[00:27:06] of they're trying to solve mysteries here. They're looking for clues

[00:27:10] and Harry never went through every detail of that day because I feel like that is all really

[00:27:16] important like information in order to solve this world changing mystery that they're trying

[00:27:22] to beat Voldemort too. I'm like he should have gone through all that he could remember

[00:27:26] especially when they're going to get Hort Crooks's. This might happen to you, this will happen

[00:27:31] with Dumbledore. Right, just to be ready for this. And then what if next time Harry's the one

[00:27:36] who has to be drinking something or doing whatever? I feel like he should have told that story so

[00:27:40] that was weird to see that and think they had a lot of free time in their little tent traveling around

[00:27:45] and he didn't go through all the details which felt weird. My brother wasn't more interested

[00:27:53] in the greater good than you. How do you know you aren't dispensable? Just like my sister.

[00:27:59] Yeah, what do you think about Dumbledore?

[00:28:00] Harry like that or Dumbledore like that really.

[00:28:03] Do you think that Dumbledore really regretted what he did? Like in not truly caring for Ariana

[00:28:09] because it says here Harry says he was never free. I bet your pardons and never forth never

[00:28:15] said Harry. That night your brother died he drank a potion that Jerome out of his mind. He started

[00:28:19] screaming pleading with someone who wasn't there. Don't hurt them. Please hurt me instead.

[00:28:26] What does this make you think of Dumbledore?

[00:28:31] I feel like I don't believe it and we're forced to equate

[00:28:36] his treatment of Harry to Ariana and I want to assume that they are the same

[00:28:40] and he actually cared deeply for both of them. I just don't know but he never talked about

[00:28:48] Ariana so maybe it really was a mistake and it really was his fault that she died

[00:28:53] but I don't think it was on purpose. Maybe it was just youthful overlooking something

[00:29:00] but he wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

[00:29:04] He does keep Harry in the dark a lot but

[00:29:11] this quote too which is like a longer one but it's Harry being convinced of what he says

[00:29:16] and Harry goes because he said Harry before her mind he could answer. Sometimes you've got to think

[00:29:20] about more than your own safety. Sometimes you've got to think about the greater good. This is war.

[00:29:25] You're 17 boy. I'm a Vage and I'm going to keep fighting even if you've given up. Who says I've

[00:29:31] given up? The order is finished. Harry repeated, you know who's won. It's over anyone who's pretending

[00:29:37] different is kidding themselves? I didn't say it like that but that's truth.

[00:29:43] No, it isn't said Harry. Your brother knew how to finish you know who when he passed a

[00:29:47] knowledge on to me. I'm going to keep going until I succeed or die. Don't think I don't know

[00:29:53] that this might... I don't think I don't know how this might end. I've known it for years.

[00:29:59] So Harry has like a moment of real leadership here and he's like convinced and he's very convicted of

[00:30:04] this but do you think... I mean Abber 4th even seems like he's doing some shady deals at the

[00:30:14] death eaters just keeping quiet while they're doing their like you know illegal stuff.

[00:30:21] I don't know, I guess the question like who's reliable? How does this story

[00:30:26] help us understand anything going out of the story that are at large here? Is this going to help

[00:30:31] us unlock something that about poor cruxers or anything like that? Like you mean the stuff that

[00:30:37] Abber 4th told us? Yeah. I think... I'm just trying to think like what new information we got. It's

[00:30:48] just weird that his own brother doesn't trust him. Yeah. Like and then I guess Dumbledore didn't

[00:30:56] try to restore the relationship or maybe he kind of did or they were just at odds and what happens

[00:31:02] but something about it just feels still weird. Could it be like a trap for Harry? I doubt it.

[00:31:10] Oh, I was like Wes is right here. Let's go on in there.

[00:31:16] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:31:17] Oh.

[00:31:22] Or could it be someone else's alive that shouldn't be alive? Wait, who else is alive?

[00:31:27] No. Well it doesn't make sense because Harry on the died but like could she be alive?

[00:31:34] You know I don't know how she could be. I like that though. But I think we Dumbledore was

[00:31:42] actually sad about everything right? Or what about Grindelwald? Could it be?

[00:31:49] They swapped pieces with forever Polyjuice and Ariana was in the top of the place.

[00:31:58] So how did it add its basic reading? You guys are very nontrustworthy.

[00:32:02] She's right. Yeah, yeah, so true. At its most basic reading. This is more information.

[00:32:06] Yeah. I know. This is just more information that we get about Dumbledore, which is shady but

[00:32:13] Grindelwald seems like he's bad. Dumbledore seems like he's good. Yeah.

[00:32:18] Like to in part this one like muddies the water a little bit but you're still

[00:32:22] like kind of trusting Dumbledore but you just don't know exactly so

[00:32:26] I guess the questions in your mind for this chapter typically should be like is Dumbledore really

[00:32:31] good? Did he really set up Harry for failure? Maybe the large question I'll wrap this chapter

[00:32:39] up with is how will this story end? To great. Ready go. There's a new question.

[00:32:48] Yeah, that's just the whole point of all these books. You want me to answer right now?

[00:32:55] Cool. Yeah.

[00:33:00] Harry might die. He's known it for years. I'm glad Harry knows that and I like that it's coming up

[00:33:06] as this genuine possibility not only by the prophecy but even in Harry's own mind because then

[00:33:11] it puts us into that final battle actually not knowing if he lives through this. And I like that

[00:33:18] that's a possibility because a lot of time you read things and you're just like oh, the main

[00:33:22] character they can't die obviously. And I like that it is an actual possibility there's real fear

[00:33:29] there and I like that he's willing to if that's what it takes which is pretty incredible even

[00:33:35] if it is a little foolhardy but I don't know. I think his big old showdown in Hogwarts,

[00:33:45] a battle of all the horror cruxes coming into play but the part I just can't figure out

[00:33:51] is the Hallows. I can't figure out if they still exist.

[00:33:58] But also, if any of them do. It's interesting too because Grindelwald and Dumbledore were kind

[00:34:06] of in similar vein as Voldemort about the Muggles. Right. It sounds like that for sure. That's

[00:34:14] weird. Do you believe that or do you think Aberforth is kind of misunderstanding Dumbledore's perspective?

[00:34:21] I want to say yes he's misunderstanding because of how Dumbledore sticks up for them at Hogwarts

[00:34:29] and like allows Muggleborn which is a wizard's in. But I don't know or maybe that's what they

[00:34:40] fought about Grindelwald and him. Or I don't know. The ethical questions for this one actually

[00:34:47] are really interesting which is a part that we can even discuss in the next chapter. I think it's

[00:34:53] electo caro who's teaching Muggle studies. She just has them reeling about how Muggles are these

[00:34:58] terrible people and then wizards need to dominate over them in their proper place. But a lot of

[00:35:03] that comes from fear of how Muggle's treated wizards which is like okay, we're out like you know

[00:35:11] so we're not death-eaters-finity imagination. But you understand the pain that some of them

[00:35:15] are going through with like we were you know shot down for centuries and they were murdering us

[00:35:21] so we want to stay exactly. So they want to enact like some kind of revenge which is the wrong

[00:35:27] way to go about it obviously but in a perfect society how do wizards and Muggles interact?

[00:35:34] Like is this naturally to secrecy actually useful maybe this is just like broader ethical

[00:35:39] questions about the wizarding world that don't have much to do with the plot really but

[00:35:43] it's kind of fascinating. Can they live in peace, John? And how?

[00:35:50] And everyone can just let go their ego and pride and let power go then sure.

[00:35:56] But is that ever going to happen? Right. And I think

[00:36:02] it would be weird just from the wizard perspective would Muggles ever be in charge?

[00:36:10] Would they have power and the wizards I think we're assuming in theory are more powerful?

[00:36:15] Would they ever give power willingly to the Muggles and say okay cool we're going to

[00:36:22] you know have your president have your whoever have a council that's half wizards, half Muggles

[00:36:27] and we'll like listen to whatever rules come up. Could it actually be the case or would wizard

[00:36:32] just kind of rule? That's not really fair either but the wizards are doing that to the goblins

[00:36:37] right now they don't let them use wands so you would take a lot of honesty from the wizards because

[00:36:42] they could just waste their minds. Yeah, yeah. Like they could completely take over the world if

[00:36:47] they wanted to but then what is the right balance just because you are more powerful doesn't mean

[00:36:52] you should take over do they see that there is a value the Muggles can bring? Could they live in

[00:36:57] harmony what would it look like? Can you teach Muggles some kind of magic because we know there's

[00:37:04] Muggle magic at least there's love. But love and music yeah it's more powerful than anything

[00:37:11] they teach there so yeah but then Muggles have kids that are wizards and witches too.

[00:37:21] True and then it would be more normal and then it wouldn't be like a big freaky thing.

[00:37:28] Yeah so there already is a little bit of a crossover yeah it's a stigma right? Yep

[00:37:35] and that even that is weird though we still don't fully get it. Yeah

[00:37:40] but they're like better than some I just feel like the wizards can't even rule themselves very nicely

[00:37:47] let alone Muggles too and then if wizards can be out there in Muggle world running for office

[00:37:52] and all that like I just don't know how it would all how it would go but I don't feel like they have

[00:38:00] a good setup for like politically for the ministry or anything else and then it would also get

[00:38:07] weird because the rules might apply in Great Britain but what about in other countries

[00:38:14] and then are there other countries where Muggles don't know yeah so how would that work?

[00:38:18] it would have to be worldwide and now we got one world of water and then it's a I don't know

[00:38:23] wow that escalated. It escalates real quick yeah but one of the the even with everything

[00:38:29] that we're talking about Aberworth one of the good things that we finally finally found out

[00:38:32] is that he was the eye in the mirror and he was the person that was helping Harry throw all

[00:38:37] these different things he was one that sent Dobby so at least we got that little tidbit of information

[00:38:43] um so he has to believe his brother right in a way that Harry can help with this. I think so

[00:38:51] I asked what he'd be helping Harry it was funny too when you guys were giving predictions

[00:38:58] even like books and books ago you guys were so close to guessing that who this bar man was

[00:39:03] because I think it came up a few random times and you're like I wonder who this is

[00:39:07] and you're like you see he has like a thing with goats or something like that I think one of you

[00:39:10] I think Jenner I think you're like I think me what is his brother we did you have a thing

[00:39:17] with goats meaning the um the bartender did it say that yeah I said the bartender or the bartender

[00:39:21] had a bunch of goats like one that's funny or something like that I love that she put that

[00:39:27] in there because at some point didn't say the bartender would like looked a little familiar to Harry

[00:39:32] and then we thought it was weird because someone like listening and on their conversation

[00:39:36] skeptical and we were like is it Mondongus is it this yeah I remember that

[00:39:43] cool good old Abby playing for Gryffindor

[00:39:49] all right let's go on to the next one which is the missing mirror unless you have anything else in

[00:39:53] this one now I think yeah this one's uh it's just like an added little thing onto the story kind

[00:39:58] of pieces a few things together for Dumbledore story yeah but you still just like Dumbledore's

[00:40:03] Albus is I guess track records he's going down a little bit you don't know really if you want

[00:40:09] to trust Aberforth that much but it's still comforting to me though yeah I like that there is

[00:40:15] a good person in Hogsmeat yeah he still needs to be fully converted but he's taken good steps

[00:40:22] in the right direction I like that he's in there here though too because it's not like there's

[00:40:27] that famous line in the fifth book where the world's not always splitting the good people and death

[00:40:31] like he's on the spectrum he's generally good but he's not like this person who is you know

[00:40:39] really fighting against it he's like death eaters are coming into his pub and like doing shady

[00:40:43] deals and he's just okay with it because he says mouth shut this guy's looking out for his own

[00:40:47] he's a complex character it's time it's like wartime at one point when I read that paragraph about him

[00:40:53] like the death eaters doing shady deals I was like is he war profiteering in some way I wonder if

[00:40:57] he's like making money off of them in some some strange way and maybe he gets a cut of whatever shady

[00:41:03] deals they do I like it because it makes him like a complicated character so like in the real world

[00:41:08] not everyone's gonna be on good or he'll either there's gonna be people all over the spectrum of it

[00:41:14] but let's do the twenty chapter twenty nine the last item summary all right uh

[00:41:21] um

[00:41:22] Neville brings the trio into the room of requirement which has become all of the students hide out inside

[00:41:28] of Hogwarts um Harry and Luna go to see what what the lost item actually looks like but one of

[00:41:34] the caros finds them wait are they siblings are married the caros uh that's a great question

[00:41:42] I think they're siblings brothers that's what that was what I was thinking but I couldn't remember

[00:41:46] dad and I saw first like I'm pretty sure they're uh yeah they're they press the dark mark

[00:41:51] mm-hmm okay yeah at the end they press the dark mark that's the end of the chapter yeah

[00:42:02] Harry's not ready for that is he

[00:42:07] he's nobody come right away yeah that's the real question he's been like 20 things

[00:42:12] yeah he's like busy making sure everything secure yeah so he's going like he's very busy he's like

[00:42:18] all right whatever you guys have going on this is more important yeah maybe just have like

[00:42:22] snake come look at there something that'd be interesting yeah do all death eaters get the uh

[00:42:28] the alarm bells when it's press or is it just uh of all the more highlight talk back to them be like

[00:42:33] I'm not coming yeah what is it I think he I think it was briefly mentioned in this

[00:42:43] and these books that they if they touch the the market it has to be Harry so anytime Voldemort gets

[00:42:48] it he knows it it has to be Harry so the times that it was it was Harry but he just got away

[00:42:54] hmm is he ready for Harry either I don't think either they're ready for each other but now

[00:42:58] he's got the wand though well he thinks he has the wand he thinks he has it talking about he thinks

[00:43:03] he has the wand doesn't he have the wand oh he has it um no you know what I just can't decide

[00:43:11] whatever if they exist but in my head either all three halos exist or none of them do

[00:43:15] and I can't figure out but what if you have is this the real wand but another thing while you're talking

[00:43:22] yeah I'm waiting that was funny all right he's a good yeah

[00:43:30] yeah

[00:43:34] what if you have two of the three halos do they then like do they group together and like you can't

[00:43:42] use the wand against someone that has two of the other half I don't think so I just think

[00:43:47] they're powerful on their own I feel like they should I don't think so I think oh nice

[00:43:51] Harry has two of them and then the wand's not gonna want to fight its own you wow Harry has two of

[00:43:57] them yeah you're gonna go with that because you're still thinking the stone is in the resurrection

[00:44:04] stone on the ring oh in the snitch I forgot okay right right because it wasn't called when

[00:44:12] the dexter took it and so yeah no no that could be true I do think the cloak is real that feels

[00:44:21] like it makes sense to me so if that's real I think they all are around and I think they're all real

[00:44:30] I just I can't figure out if it would be in the snitch because I want the resurrection stone to

[00:44:35] be bigger and more powerful than that but the snitch is small but then again spatial stuff we can

[00:44:40] know we can bend the rules but if Voldemort does have the wand I feel like he's he at least

[00:44:47] thinks he has it and he thinks it's loyal to him so I think he is confident enough to take on Harry

[00:44:59] I just can't think if he's gonna actually just immediately arrive and say cool Harry's here

[00:45:03] I'm going hey what is the cloak supposed to do again um like like the um story it was like the wand

[00:45:12] can kill cannot be defeated the rock was something like bring give you power over death I think

[00:45:22] and the cloak is obviously visibility but it would come back as a ghost or like half a person

[00:45:27] and then what was the cloak though so I don't remember he just kept them away from death

[00:45:32] so it kept the brother so that death couldn't find him because death gave him his own cloak of

[00:45:36] visibility he was hiding essentially so like could you be in the cloak and they can't kill you

[00:45:43] if you got the stone under that cloak too double whammy the cloak did didn't respond to a curse they

[00:45:49] said accio cloak and the cloak didn't move so wonder if he's wearing the cloak could he not die

[00:45:58] it hides him from death maybe maybe well that's weird because isn't that what the stone does too

[00:46:05] no resurrects like if you're dead but then you use the stone on other people or you just hold it close

[00:46:12] when you die and then I'm gonna get back I'm like I don't know yeah I think in the in the tail

[00:46:18] as you turn it thrice and hand or something like that you turn it thrice and hand but you can't

[00:46:22] do it if you're dead or you have to do it before you die as like a charm over yourself flick it

[00:46:27] and say I want to come back if you die and then it falls the ground really well

[00:46:33] or is it like it's just adds a life you know one up like a video game just like I got an extra life

[00:46:44] but I just want to interesting there's three items and one of you have all three

[00:46:48] well well you have two of the three right and we were saying if you have all three which we hope

[00:46:55] Dumbledore did when he had the cloak when Harry was born um give me doesn't say anything it's so annoying

[00:47:02] classic Dumbledore I don't like it um fair very fair but we don't know where that stone is I hope

[00:47:10] you're right in this niche will be cool um but how are they gonna get it out what's got a close

[00:47:14] and now opens up the clothes of what of the cloak he closes the cloak and it opens wow

[00:47:22] I guess has he ever gone full egg in the cloak he's always got his feet out it's not really closed

[00:47:29] maybe that's how you hide from Voldemort how would you do that yeah have you

[00:47:37] done that with a fitted sheet you put it around you like no big time um well you have

[00:47:44] well it's a thing you could do with hiking you can they make these like 10 things what are they

[00:47:48] called bivis I think where it's like a bivisac and you like fill it with air and you sit in it kind

[00:47:53] of like you would do back in the day in like uh preschool where you have one of those big parachutes

[00:47:57] up and down it's like that but then you sit inside of it and if you do that with the invisibility cloak

[00:48:02] truly invisible so I don't know maybe oh my gosh interesting yeah I just don't know

[00:48:13] so a lot of moving parts here and then how are they gonna kill these more cruxes yeah so they

[00:48:18] have all the stupid swords it's so annoying I know they don't have this sword they have one they're

[00:48:24] about to try to find another one they didn't know if they're gonna find it what are they gonna say

[00:48:30] wasn't there like a potion or something I wondered what kind of potion because I like this but it

[00:48:36] would have to be a potion that came up yeah but he has the book in the in the city that's

[00:48:41] oh oh he called it when he goes to find his book I like that and the room of

[00:48:48] environment is it still there possibly how's it gonna get to it though because how does it keep

[00:48:54] changing it doesn't make sense because it's one room and like what if everyone needs it at the

[00:49:00] same time yeah that's a great point or what if there's other people in there and then when you go

[00:49:05] in there you need to do those people going to like not exist yeah and then you have your own room

[00:49:10] like this I don't know it's like multiple dimensions of the room like you're just in there and someone

[00:49:15] else walks in and Voldemort's trying to get his whatever in there if that's the horror crux then

[00:49:22] they're still chilling or they get kicked out but now that they're captured even if Voldemort

[00:49:30] doesn't show up really gonna do against a death eater and then won't they be able to be tortured

[00:49:35] for information about where the other people are or Snape can read their mind so not good

[00:49:43] and if they can get the potions book is there a potion that can destroy a matchclub

[00:49:52] well if there is it's gonna be in there and Snape knows about it

[00:49:57] like he's as good with potions yeah I guess so he also held the double door like overcome

[00:50:08] well that would even but that's a reason why it wouldn't be the case because if Dumbledore's arm

[00:50:13] is all black and stuff from the ring um he tried to destroy it some other way instead of using

[00:50:19] the potion thing so Snape was like not telling him the shortcut to it if there is a potion

[00:50:26] or unless Dumbledore's arm was all some kind of color because he had to stick his whole hand into

[00:50:31] the thing to try and destroy how could it destroy a horror crux but only turn his hand black and

[00:50:36] it still like works well that's why I think it's the resurrection stone in it because maybe it

[00:50:42] affected his body in the ring a horror crux and the stone that'd be kind of crazy though

[00:50:49] one of the chances a halo and a horror crux living in symbiosis together and did Voldemort know

[00:50:56] when he did that the power he had no he doesn't know anything about ancient maps no

[00:51:01] something out what do you guys think even just a basic one for this chapter um

[00:51:13] what do you think of the students all rebelling so like what do you think of Hogwarts a current state

[00:51:20] of Hogwarts at the time feels a little hectic hmm they're like with risking their lives to like go

[00:51:29] against the death eaters and it does feel weird like that is even possible I thought the rule would

[00:51:39] be harsher you know like every student would be in line because they're willing to kidnap

[00:51:46] family members to torture them to do whatever read their minds cruciatus curse like I would think

[00:51:53] this would be ruling with an iron fist so it almost feels like they're kind of

[00:52:00] taken it easy on the students in some ways to allow any kind of rebellion to happen

[00:52:08] or maybe these students are just better than I'm giving them credit for

[00:52:15] hmm

[00:52:17] so we find out that they're in this uh the room of requirement as well this little hideout

[00:52:25] in the room of requirement and again um there's one thing I think there's one main point in

[00:52:32] this chapter that we brought up numerous times but Harry seems to not want to tell them what's

[00:52:38] going on here and then finally when he told them what that they had to find an object they didn't

[00:52:43] tell them about a horcrux they're like you guys you like breathe the sigh really if you're like

[00:52:46] finally he's telling someone is it good then he's telling other people about like what he needs to

[00:52:51] find should he just do this on his own is that like is dumb was dumbledore wrong about that should

[00:52:56] he have told everyone about the horcruxes and sent everyone on the chase to find these things

[00:53:03] I don't think he should tell them horcruxes specifically

[00:53:07] but he did right he just didn't he didn't yeah but was that wrong was that bad because I'm

[00:53:13] kind of questioning it dumbledore did tell him not to tell anybody yeah but I think now it doesn't

[00:53:18] matter okay like it was a secret before because Voldemort didn't know anyone knew about it but

[00:53:24] now that Voldemort knows that Harry knows that he knows all the time now I don't think it matters

[00:53:29] yeah okay that's fair I just think the next student who gets captured or I guess it's kind of

[00:53:34] happening right now but hopefully they'll be able to not tell but now they kind of know Harry told

[00:53:40] us we're all looking for an object so that I think they seem stronger than that no well yeah

[00:53:50] but Snape can read their minds yeah and even if they couldn't they've got like truth serum and

[00:53:55] whatever else torture devices it doesn't matter because then Voldemort is going to have to explain

[00:54:01] himself to the death eaters right like why are they looking at for this object oh true a death

[00:54:08] eater might not even realize it'd be like oh there's a mess in with stuff they don't even know what's

[00:54:11] going on I don't I don't think it would be bad if death eaters knew but maybe he doesn't want them to

[00:54:19] know because you didn't even tell Snape about it true so yeah I don't know how they're

[00:54:33] getting out of this though yeah what is what is like their plan going for it Harry is going to

[00:54:39] the Ravenclaw room right now to go look at this this diet why you took the cloak off yeah that was

[00:54:47] a little silly and there's not like a ton of like this is like progression of the story there's

[00:54:55] not a ton of like rehashing of material I guess this is like almost a collection chapter they're

[00:55:02] like okay what do we need to find so it's like the question that we've been asking the entire time

[00:55:06] is okay they seem to have narrowed down this object is this diet and they need to go find this

[00:55:12] thing and they need to destroy it but how where is this how are they going to find it where how are

[00:55:17] they going to destroy it and then what does this look like for the grand scheme of things

[00:55:22] is Voldemort gonna realize that this stuff is happening and then quick whip up a few more

[00:55:27] horror cruxes is he can write right come seeking Harry to kill Harry at this moment

[00:55:32] um so there's just like a lot of the same typical questions that we've been asking

[00:55:38] um could he even create more I hope he's he's capped it I hope like there'd be some weird

[00:55:44] thing of his soul fall apart or something yeah right it does feel like a magical thing like

[00:55:49] when you're but then if a couple of them got destroyed do you make it up for them

[00:55:55] or do you have to wait for your soul to grow back a little bit

[00:56:00] so it's the only growth back yeah true it can only grow back with remorse and I don't see that

[00:56:06] happening um now he's not here but anyone I don't know how he's a following still

[00:56:16] incessant question that everyone just keeps having why does this guy have a following

[00:56:21] he doesn't do anything to help anyone hmm literally everyone that's helped him

[00:56:28] his torture or died exactly they were in before exactly think they learned their lesson

[00:56:37] less is even over it so I mean Harry seems to be growing in these chapters he seems to be like

[00:56:48] actually communicating and telling people um at least he's not holding secrets like dumbledore

[00:56:56] I guess found it valuable to hold these things of secrets the he's giving these people a little

[00:57:02] bit more here um and they're going to find this thing uh what do you think where do you think

[00:57:10] this object is could it be actually on the Ravenclaw um like statue thingy closer you're a

[00:57:19] danger you farther you're like sitting there the entire time right like it's lost and it's

[00:57:24] still even there the whole time do we it would have to be a complicated thing to reveal it couldn't

[00:57:30] just be ravello some student would have said that just practicing right um so

[00:57:39] is it hidden somewhere or is it in plain sight in a hidden chamber um

[00:57:47] I'm not sure

[00:57:49] where else have we seen any crowns and die attempts

[00:58:01] yeah where else have you seen crowns and that in the story slower or we're not the wedding

[00:58:07] mm-hmm that's the same one that has passed a loop in yep right on the crown that was in the room

[00:58:11] requirement so is it one of those two or is it are they the same one I was wondering could they

[00:58:17] be the same but I don't think they could um in less there's a third vanishing cabinet

[00:58:24] and that vanishing cabinet is at Amuriel's house and she's storing things in it so she hops in

[00:58:31] well that would bring up the weird thing too with the room of requirement where

[00:58:34] if other people are in it what happens yeah so really

[00:58:38] Amuriel is in there all the time is a hoarder and the room of requirement is her it's brilliant

[00:58:42] she's got stuff in this room it's all her stuff it's not students lost stuff

[00:58:48] yeah that would be actually really cool and weird but I'm thinking

[00:58:55] is could it be hidden in a portrait I keep thinking of that too could you get anything out

[00:58:58] of a portrait could it be hidden there's something new about a portrait in this chapter where

[00:59:02] the purchase seems to be walking backwards and like there's something out you're seeing things

[00:59:06] the portrait could go get Neville and we see Neville approaching so then is that a hint at

[00:59:11] something else are there other portraits with weird things going on behind them more secret

[00:59:17] passages or you see a tiara in a portrait you open it up and then there's the tiara sitting behind

[00:59:24] the portrait you know like I'm trying to think of other things in the castle we've seen

[00:59:29] where it could be hidden in plain sight but I just can't think of anything that makes sense

[00:59:37] but I don't talk about it could it be like on one of the statues yeah right right

[00:59:43] but if it was gonna be on a statue I think the prime candidate would be Ravenna's in the Ravenclaw room

[00:59:49] yeah exactly like that would be the one but I also think there's something fitting about some of

[00:59:53] that the same reason that Voldemort wants it to feel right to sound good like seven parts and these

[01:00:01] notable objects I feel like whoever hid the tiara to begin with would want it hidden in a place

[01:00:08] that is fitting for it you know why wouldn't it be in the headmasters yeah could but what would it

[01:00:14] be do like do we know of something in there that it's like could it be part of the pen-seave can you

[01:00:19] hide something in there is it like one of the portraits in the room yeah there he had a lot of

[01:00:25] weird little tools and what was that thing with the dueling snakes as well is Ravenclaw whatever

[01:00:31] name is is there a portrait of her in the headmasters room and it's her tiara's real I was

[01:00:41] gonna say no but then again when the school's first founded who was the first headmaster maybe it

[01:00:46] was a mistress and maybe it was Ravenna Ravenna I don't remember I'm gonna say Ravenna I think

[01:00:53] it's V Ravenna so if she was the headmaster then she would have a portrait in there I guess

[01:01:07] I just wondered if the founding people have portraits it didn't matter if they were a headmaster

[01:01:12] yeah yeah well that would be fair that would make sense yeah like all four of the founders but

[01:01:19] it would be weird that they haven't been mentioned unless there's an age factor like they're really

[01:01:23] old decrepit pictures that are like they barely move and talk but it could be what about where

[01:01:32] peeps was what where was that party oh yeah you mean nearly had the snake like downstairs or that

[01:01:38] yeah yeah similar yeah yeah similar yeah yeah yeah yeah like it was there something down there I'm

[01:01:46] trying to think of a physical object that was down there like I was all like dead fish yeah right

[01:01:51] like amongst all the smelly stuff yeah it was gross but maybe there was something down there

[01:01:56] that I can yeah that's a great thought that's uh that's actually fascinating do you think

[01:02:00] gonna be like um of the ghosts or peeps is gonna have a any kind of more significant role like they

[01:02:07] just kind of seem like a flower you're the straight but could one of them be like could you pull

[01:02:12] a crown off of a ghost because you're saying pulling a crown off the day portrait yeah which is

[01:02:17] fascinating because we know that's a good thought portraiture so the idea of ghosts or peeps is

[01:02:22] actually really fascinating it is one of the weirdest loose ends of the story I've been kind of

[01:02:27] dismissing it as it just is what it is yeah you know like they're the same as a wall or anything else

[01:02:32] but you're right like they're there could have been something we missed in those chapters there could

[01:02:38] be something more but Voldemort doesn't make friends so how could he have a he doesn't have any

[01:02:43] friends um true he doesn't need them yeah you're right so if it yeah you're right to keep forgetting

[01:02:50] that this is Voldemort who would have been the one to hide it after it was a horcrux unless

[01:02:55] Dumbledore already now what about if it's in the kitchen with all the okay with the house

[01:03:01] house out and see like force them to like when when he was drunk did we see anything cool in the

[01:03:07] kitchens you had a tickle to pair so maybe the pair is a horcrux hold on we're at a tickling thing

[01:03:17] but I feel like Harry should be talking to the ghosts anyway would they betray him hmm I don't

[01:03:23] know are there even ghosts or did the uh death eaters come in and shoot them all away yeah we

[01:03:28] don't really know about a ton of ghosts either we know about the bloody baron about the fat fryer

[01:03:34] and about uh really kind of yeah or we also said sorry to enter into the and moaning we were talking

[01:03:42] about the last time the the room the dark arts remember we're like how the the professor only

[01:03:48] lasts a year right so there might be like some spell in that room and maybe it's hidden in there

[01:03:55] some it could be well again I just wish there was something we could sink our teeth into about

[01:04:00] that room like oh yeah they've mentioned this thing there's some fancy podium chandelier

[01:04:07] chest cage brass knocker on the door um yeah that was cool the brass knocker maybe it is the brass

[01:04:15] yeah yeah just I don't know because if Dumbledore was in charge I said that too I think

[01:04:24] what if it's that and not a TR could be

[01:04:30] but then it just feels like Voldemort would have failed if it wasn't a Ravenclaw object

[01:04:36] why well because that was kind of it seems like that was his goal

[01:04:41] like one thing for me chalice yeah yeah why

[01:04:45] because he was just a commander because he's a quarter because he likes just things that feel right

[01:04:52] because he had the cup and then yeah yeah but what's Griffin I was just gonna say wait a second

[01:04:58] because we were thinking the sword was one yeah but that's not what it wasn't so maybe

[01:05:01] maybe that's a misnomer and it just happened to be objects of theirs and then

[01:05:06] or maybe the sword still is one because we had we had said for a while it's possible there are seven

[01:05:11] horcruxes and Voldemort himself is actually eight because that kind of sounds right too

[01:05:17] even though it sounds a little bit wrong um he said split the soul in seven or seven horcruxes

[01:05:24] it's both using seven you're just making up your own stuff now like what are you doing

[01:05:27] well you don't know for that oh yeah these are theories yeah they're all theories

[01:05:31] shotgun effects spread it far and wide so it's bound to hit yeah yeah you're not winning

[01:05:39] all right we'll see he's a shotgun effect wait you said uh Harry's a horcrux

[01:05:44] yeah I especially that at some point no I said that yeah you're making fun of

[01:05:49] him for that but that was your theory yeah now he's stealing because he wants to win

[01:05:54] far and wide you gave me crap for that I did I said though I would never I love theorizing so

[01:06:01] I feel like we just don't know but what's the Gryffindor object Harry can't be the Gryffindor

[01:06:09] object because if Harry's a horcrux it was an accident Voldemort didn't even realize he did it

[01:06:15] Voldemort became like a baby

[01:06:19] well that's what I'm wondering too because we'd said how do you even make one to begin with

[01:06:23] what because after he did that he turned like little goblin baby

[01:06:27] you're so good godly baby Voldemort I did he turned into a worm worm whatever we were

[01:06:33] speculating he had an object with him when he was there for Harry and maybe was planning on

[01:06:39] making a horcrux with Harry's death because ending the potter line seemed to be an important thing

[01:06:46] so what was he carrying with him but that's what you're saying we don't know we don't even

[01:06:50] know how the wand got back to him but then it seems post books JK kind of said yeah well

[01:06:55] worm tail was the one who went and got it so maybe he did the same thing with whatever the horcrux was

[01:07:03] yeah I don't know what if it's their ones yeah that is possible maybe but could it be done

[01:07:11] well it's broken now they destroyed horcrux already it was broken yeah I mean kind of yeah

[01:07:18] I feel like we're touching on something because he's like hysterically laughing

[01:07:21] we're just we're rolling around in all these areas you know shot guy effects of how you just

[01:07:27] see 20 different directions all trying to get something something bound to stick exactly yeah

[01:07:33] yeah exactly I mean we're we're making a lot of speculation how do you guys how do you

[01:07:40] like the entrance into Ravenclaw Tower that you have to do a essentially like a riddle a pot yeah

[01:07:49] oh yeah yeah I forgot about that and who did it for them Luna yeah

[01:07:54] because Cho wanted to go she's like neither of them right I don't know what it was she needs like no

[01:07:59] Cho you're not going Luna go with them nice and then Luna goes figures it out and then that's when

[01:08:04] they pull off the cloak and then electo caro was standing before them so we're knowing

[01:08:16] I think it's clever that's part of their house right being witty that's cool

[01:08:25] that's a password for Gryffindor and for Slytherin it's a riddle for Ravenclaw

[01:08:31] and we don't know what the Hufflepuff one is yeah they never mentioned then the Glefted House

[01:08:38] that's sad

[01:08:46] um if the room requirement sprouted a pretty good bathroom once the girl started turning up

[01:08:52] what were they doing before I like who said that to lavender or something like that was like

[01:08:59] yeah when you needed to realize that you need to be clean

[01:09:06] yeah rose that thing in showers just chilling

[01:09:10] yeah that's funny I guess you get used to your own stench on those boys anything else

[01:09:17] anything else in these chapters before we wrap it up do the wrap up questions

[01:09:23] again a lot of the a lot of the questions that I could ask are just grand scheming questions and

[01:09:27] we've already talked about a lot of this so there's like for this these are fun chapters

[01:09:36] but they just like our continuations of like okay they're looking for the you get a little bit

[01:09:40] more info they're looking for this this item you don't really know where it is how are they

[01:09:45] going to destroy it same kind of questions just keep popping up so yeah I feel like it actually

[01:09:53] could be on that stone statue yeah let's so here maybe it's a weird one but let's say they find

[01:10:07] some way real quick to destroy the horcruxes they find the let's say the the diadem is on the stone

[01:10:11] statue they destroy the cup they destroy the diadem all of a sudden Nagini possum they destroy

[01:10:17] Nagini oh that'll be good what happens if so at that point we think they've destroyed all of them right

[01:10:27] there's six of them what happens if there's a seventh one like theoretically right what goes on

[01:10:34] if they try to kill Voldemort in this moment because like where are they going to get it they have

[01:10:38] no idea that there's a seventh one how would they know if they really killed Voldemort or if

[01:10:44] there's another one yeah well that's the fear like would it look different to kill him if he's

[01:10:52] still tethered yeah so I guess that's a question because again you seem to just have an idea that

[01:10:58] it's just six which seems like the better reading and that's probably I mean I'm not gonna like

[01:11:05] just give it away but it just seems like it's more likely that there's six but there's also this idea

[01:11:10] floating around your head there might have been seven so like she's playing with you in that way

[01:11:15] like rolling is towing with you and like okay is there another one and then if it was the sort of

[01:11:19] griffin door or something because the question is when if that one pops up what the heck do you do with

[01:11:24] it because they've destroyed all of them and they they go after Voldemort and Voldemort's like laughing

[01:11:28] being like no you can't do it because I have this other object that's why there's book eight after

[01:11:33] this guy's secret yeah I um but if you kill him and he doesn't

[01:11:49] die would Harry know like would he scar do something and he'd be like now I know that I'm free

[01:11:55] from Voldemort I don't have to explain it everyone but I know that he is he's gone forever because

[01:12:00] that would be a that'd be kind of satisfying it we'd really have to trust Harry's instincts then

[01:12:07] I feel like that could be good or same thing Harry might say I still feel something that wasn't

[01:12:13] enough we've got a like I don't know use a little Geiger counter detect around Hogwarts looking for

[01:12:21] something because I don't know like how did how to double door know when things were

[01:12:26] horror cruxes like the ring and whatever else um I mean it also seems a little anticlimactic at the

[01:12:34] end of the story um unless it was another emotional battle where they kind of had to with Ron and

[01:12:40] Harry where it became an object and it was like if it's the final one and Voldemort doesn't

[01:12:45] exist anymore and this is his final tether there could be a certain like dramatic spirit battle

[01:12:52] um against his final form but again this is like almost like a big joke in the

[01:12:58] the Harry Potter community you're like get to the end of this and all of a sudden

[01:13:03] Voldemort's been like storing a pebble in the ocean as a seventh or second your

[01:13:07] screen you're never gonna get that so we're gonna know but Voldemort is just like stupid making these

[01:13:13] these significant magical objects um horror cruxes he was having fun yeah for real yeah

[01:13:20] and that's making more sociopath yeah it was more important for him to look good doing it

[01:13:27] in his own eyes and to know it and for no one knows about it right no one was supposed to know about

[01:13:32] yeah true and but that's why it feels weird that he's he's worried about his legendary status

[01:13:38] um like in wizard history which in a weird way also just acknowledges your own like

[01:13:47] I don't know like finality like he he's kind of admitting at some point it's not gonna work

[01:13:54] but he just wants to live as long as possible maybe um do they destroy any record of him

[01:14:01] because so he won't get his legendary status at the end of this thing he still has a trophy at

[01:14:06] Hogwarts remember that one in the second book Ron is also trophies that's how they find out

[01:14:10] the name Tom Riddle because you did he got something special services and he saw as a trophy

[01:14:15] at Hogwarts I guess it's like archive history so I mean there's like ethical questions like the

[01:14:19] right-lead history like that right just like let people come across it you know you don't want to

[01:14:23] tear do they tear these things down or do you and erase it expunge them from the history books

[01:14:29] what do you do I wouldn't mind expunge him but

[01:14:36] now I guess you can't and even though that's what he wanted and he thinks he's gonna be remembered

[01:14:43] at like some legendary status he's he's not being remembered that way he's being remembered with like

[01:14:50] I don't I was gonna say hatred but he might like that too maybe he'll be remembered with pity

[01:14:55] that'll that'll get no love oh I don't know about that

[01:15:00] but uh just saying the end of this story in size 11 and then now we love him today they all

[01:15:06] circle him and below kisses till he dies you know they might work um oh also

[01:15:14] as they were going up to the Ravenclaw um common room through squares of moonlight upon the floor

[01:15:25] was it full moon come on looping let's do some stuff and how powerful is baby looping already

[01:15:36] oh turn into baby looping wolf

[01:15:41] okay all right uh let's do the wrap-ups anything else in this before we do your house any

[01:15:48] nope all right yeah I would be on measure man's greatest treasure

[01:15:52] really we still have clues and I'm like these clues don't mean anything yet how do they not mean

[01:15:56] anything oh also nope never mind we'll get to it hot to Molly I'm ready

[01:16:01] okay let's see hot to Molly first then hot to Molly

[01:16:07] let me go Luna I don't remember why but I gave it to Neville's grand nice that's what I was gonna say

[01:16:15] don't ask me why I don't remember uh they tried to they tried to kidnap her

[01:16:21] they tried to kidnap her as a way of getting to nestle because they were doing that for other people

[01:16:27] and then she destroyed them it might have been just one guy he's still in St. Mungo's recovering

[01:16:32] that's right as dollar shot is on the run yeah dollars okay

[01:16:35] so she sent me a letter oh by the way oh

[01:16:39] so Neville's progression in this she says he he clapped a hand to his breast pocket it was

[01:16:44] ropes she sent me a letter telling me she was proud of me that I'm my parents son and to keep

[01:16:50] it up nice that's my favorite moment oh my god but that was almost so kind it was suspicious coming

[01:16:57] from grand this really grand her is just a letter of attraction he can't do it except the nice moment

[01:17:05] I was like what but you know that grand's near death experience I think just brought her back down

[01:17:10] to earth for a second yeah that can be my hot to Molly then too um but also had he forgotten or had

[01:17:20] he never fully appreciated how beautiful she was but he had never been less pleased to see her

[01:17:25] uh so that's like hot to Molly yeah that's Harry saying that about june when she arrived in the

[01:17:29] room oh yeah yeah yeah june always got said but yeah so that's cool I said blue instead

[01:17:37] but yeah grand I'm not she gonna go with you I think grand is not to Molly for me it's a great one

[01:17:43] I was reading it and I'm like I don't remember why and there's wait what was on grand's head

[01:17:51] it's y'all wasn't she wearing a raising thingy on her head one time maybe her raven hat is also a

[01:18:02] diadem wait because that's what snake was afraid no it's a never was a freedom now we're

[01:18:07] turned into grand wearing uh oh that's why she was wearing the thing that grand wears could have been

[01:18:15] the never had because could the raven claw head dress really just be a raven uh bird raven wow

[01:18:22] what it's just been like misremembered over the years that's why it's been lost well have we seen

[01:18:27] anything incredibly witty out of grand more stomach noises for all the people who can't hear that

[01:18:37] the verbs gonna turn around we're like we're not gonna burp today or it's gonna come in

[01:18:42] you also uh their head dress thing was a vulture team

[01:18:50] oh well try that we'll miss that

[01:18:53] yeah

[01:18:58] jeez running

[01:19:02] that's great

[01:19:04] it's yours

[01:19:07] he turned

[01:19:11] good hand motion

[01:19:13] I don't know.

[01:19:14] Wait, Jen, who's your hot tamale?

[01:19:16] Are you saying Jenny?

[01:19:17] You'll love giving it to me.

[01:19:20] Oh, I said Luna.

[01:19:21] Oh, Luna, nice.

[01:19:22] But Jenny is good too.

[01:19:24] She's always...

[01:19:25] Yeah, she's deep thought.

[01:19:27] So this is like a bonus hot tamale.

[01:19:30] She's like a baby.

[01:19:32] Oh, she's so cute.

[01:19:33] Wow.

[01:19:34] I'm so happy.

[01:19:35] I love her.

[01:19:36] I love her.

[01:19:37] I love her.

[01:19:38] I love her.

[01:19:39] I love her.

[01:19:40] I love her.

[01:19:41] I love her.

[01:19:42] I love her.

[01:19:43] I love her.

[01:19:44] I love her.

[01:19:45] It's a really nice teacher.

[01:19:46] It really is an honor to be speaking to someone who's not

[01:19:48] right.

[01:19:49] You're helping me but how can I help you?

[01:19:50] I'm just trying.

[01:19:51] I'm trying to have ammo and until then I'm going to come to your

[01:19:53] room.

[01:19:54] lol

[01:19:55] So what's this?

[01:19:56] Jen's stomach is a six person.

[01:19:57] What's that?

[01:19:58] I don't know.

[01:19:59] I don't know.

[01:20:00] It's an anniversary.

[01:20:01] I'm just making a happy wish-

[01:20:02] It does not hurt.

[01:20:03] You feel like it was born-

[01:20:04] Oh my god.

[01:20:05] You feel the same thing.

[01:20:06] You feel the same thing.

[01:20:07] You feel the same thing.

[01:20:08] You feel the same thing.

[01:20:09] So what's this?

[01:20:10] Is it a gender reason?

[01:20:11] I don't know.

[01:20:12] I love it. Yeah, though. It's a lot for like this. Oh, it's the best feeling.

[01:20:28] All right. Um, favorite character. Favorite character in these two.

[01:20:34] Kristen says Neville. Yeah. I'm saying the Neville too. Yeah, I feel like agreed.

[01:20:39] I'll skip winner. I think so. I'm trying to do someone else.

[01:20:45] Abber fourth is too skeptical and like, yeah, like he helped a lot.

[01:20:49] Harry has saved them. They like, he did great work. They go patronos.

[01:20:54] Yeah. Yeah. That's not bad. Yeah. They're actually interesting good characters.

[01:21:01] I love when all the characters coming back. Harry, this could be a Harry moment.

[01:21:04] I've, I didn't love Neville so much. I would definitely give it to Harry because his growth in this

[01:21:08] of being convicted in front of Abber fourth and adult who was like, like, jilted and then also

[01:21:14] the courage to tell other people what they need to like, like find. He's growing in strides.

[01:21:21] But I think in this chapter, Neville kind of outpaces him in growth, which is crazy.

[01:21:25] Neville has been growing but like, this moment where I don't, I still don't love grand cuz I'm like,

[01:21:31] just be proud of your grandson regardless of how he performs.

[01:21:35] But I love this moment from Neville of he is really becoming his parents son

[01:21:42] and I think his grandma realizes that and she realizes maybe she has, maybe she's full of regret

[01:21:46] and she's like, I should have treated him better before. But I'm sure this is like a living reminder

[01:21:51] in something that Grant is going through like the pride, the pride she feels for Neville,

[01:21:57] but also the great sadness of knowing all about Alice and Frank. It's gotta be tough so I think

[01:22:03] Neville is definitely it for me.

[01:22:14] And then you guys, did you guys do your favorite? Is Neville around the board?

[01:22:18] Yeah.

[01:22:20] Yes for me.

[01:22:20] Yep.

[01:22:21] I'm trying to think of something else.

[01:22:24] Oh, I said the goat.

[01:22:25] Yeah, the goat for trying to snap out.

[01:22:27] Oh nice.

[01:22:28] He saved the day.

[01:22:30] And then what is your favorite moment?

[01:22:34] The moment that you read.

[01:22:36] Yeah, I want that. It's just so good.

[01:22:39] You're doing it.

[01:22:41] You're doing it.

[01:22:42] Thank you.

[01:22:43] No, I forgot that.

[01:22:45] She's so bad.

[01:22:47] I love it. My cheeks hurt.

[01:22:49] It's horrible like this.

[01:22:51] You could be normal.

[01:22:53] Is that a mix of one off laugh?

[01:22:55] And then I laugh with them and it makes it worse.

[01:22:59] Because it hurts.

[01:23:04] Oh man.

[01:23:15] I don't know.

[01:23:17] Hmm.

[01:23:19] What's yours?

[01:23:21] I don't know.

[01:23:22] Neville Grand is good.

[01:23:24] Neville coming out from behind the portrait is good.

[01:23:27] Aberforth saving them.

[01:23:28] All those moments are strong.

[01:23:30] I know.

[01:23:31] And then just having the crew back together in the room for choir.

[01:23:33] Oh, I think finding out the boat that he had.

[01:23:36] He was the eye and the mirror is pretty cool.

[01:23:38] The app was fine.

[01:23:39] Resolving things like that.

[01:23:41] I feel like my favorite was having everyone together again.

[01:23:45] In the room for choir.

[01:23:46] Yeah, it just felt like just one good thing after another.

[01:23:49] So obviously that's how we knew it was going to end bad this chapter.

[01:23:51] But I was hoping.

[01:23:55] Too much good momentum.

[01:23:56] You know?

[01:24:01] Yeah.

[01:24:02] Good.

[01:24:02] Well, thanks for joining us on this journey.

[01:24:04] If you're following the first time you're reading us.

[01:24:06] Until next time.

[01:24:15] Woo!

[01:24:24] Sorry for the laughs on the growl.

[01:24:27] It's kind of like a tribute to the end of the world.

[01:24:30] You did well.

[01:24:32] And recipes.