Chapter 24 - The Wandmaker
- “I want to do it properly,” were the first words of which Harry was fully conscious of speaking. “Not by magic. Have you got a spade?” And shortly afterward he had set to work, alone, digging the grave in the place that Bill had shown him at the end of the garden, between bushes. He dug with a kind of fury, relishing the manual work, glorying in the non-magic of it, for every drop of his sweat and every blister felt like a gift to the elf who had saved their lives.
Q1 - Why did Harry want to do this without magic?
- “No,” Harry said, and Bill looked startled. “I need both of them here. I need to talk to them. It’s important.” He heard the authority in his own voice, the conviction, the sense of purpose that had come to him as he dug Dobby’s grave. All of their faces were turned toward him, looking puzzled.
- Dobby would never be able to tell them who had sent him to the cellar, but Harry knew what he had seen. A piercing blue eye had looked out of the mirror fragment, and then help had come. Help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it.
Q2 - What’s the deal with the mirror?
- You gave Ron the Deluminator. You understood him. . . . You gave him a way back. . . . And you understood Wormtail too. . . . You knew there was a bit of regret there, somewhere. . . . And if you knew them . . . What did you know about me, Dumbledore? Am I meant to know, but not to seek? Did you know how hard I’d find that? Is that why you made it this difficult? So I’d have time to work that out?
Q3 - Do you think he’s right about Dumbledore here?
Q4 - They’re going to break into Gringotts? Are they going to succeed?
- “I took this wand from Draco Malfoy by force,” said Harry. “Can I use it safely?” “I think so. Subtle laws govern wand ownership, but the conquered wand will usually bend its will to its new master.”
Q5 - Is Harry truly the master of Draco’s wand?
- Yes, if you won it, it is more likely to do your bidding, and do it well, than another wand.” “And this holds true for all wands, does it?” asked Harry. “I think so,” replied Ollivander, his protuberant eyes upon Harry’s face. “You ask deep questions, Mr. Potter. Wandlore is a complex and mysterious branch of magic.” “So, it isn’t necessary to kill the previous owner to take true possession of a wand?” asked Harry. Ollivander swallowed. “Necessary? No, I should not say that it is necessary to kill.”
Q6 - Do you think this is true? That wands can pass without killing?
- “You told him about the twin cores? You said he just had to borrow another wizard’s wand?” Ollivander looked horrified, transfixed, by the amount that Harry knew. He nodded slowly. “But it didn’t work,” Harry went on. “Mine still beat the borrowed wand. Do you know why that is?” Ollivander shook his head as slowly as he had just nodded. “I had . . . never heard of such a thing. Your wand performed something unique that night. The connection of the twin cores is incredibly rare, yet why your wand should have snapped the borrowed wand, I do not know. . . .”
Q7 - Why do you think Harry’s wand acted like this?
- “Gregorovitch had the Elder Wand a long time ago,” he said. “I saw You-Know-Who trying to find him. When he tracked him down, he found that Gregorovitch didn’t have it anymore: It was stolen from him by Grindelwald. How Grindelwald found out that Gregorovitch had it, I don’t know — but if Gregorovitch was stupid enough to spread the rumor, it can’t have been that difficult.” Voldemort was at the gates of Hogwarts; Harry could see him standing there, and see too the lamp bobbing in the pre-dawn, coming closer and closer. “And Grindelwald used the Elder Wand to become powerful. And at the height of his power, when Dumbledore knew he was the only one who could stop him, he dueled Grindelwald and beat him, and he took the Elder Wand.” “Dumbledore had the Elder Wand?” said Ron. “But then — where is it now?”
Q8 - What do you think about this?
- And here it was, beside the lake, reflected in the dark waters. The white marble tomb, an unnecessary blot on the familiar landscape. He felt again that rush of controlled euphoria, that heady sense of purpose in destruction. He raised the old yew wand: How fitting that this would be its last great act. The tomb split open from head to foot. The shrouded figure was as long and thin as it had been in life. He raised the wand again. The wrappings fell open. The face was translucent, pale, sunken, yet almost perfectly preserved. They had left his spectacles on the crooked nose: He felt amused derision. Dumbledore’s hands were folded upon his chest, and there it lay, clutched beneath them, buried with him. Had the old fool imagined that marble or death would protect the wand? Had he thought that the Dark Lord would be scared to violate his tomb? The spiderlike hand swooped and pulled the wand from Dumbledore’s grasp, and as he took it, a shower of sparks flew from its tip, sparkling over the corpse of its last owner, ready to serve a new master at last.
Chapter 25 - Shell Cottage
- “Harry admits he could have imagined the eye! Don’t you, Harry?” “I could have,” said Harry without looking at her. “But you don’t think you did, do you?” asked Ron. “No, I don’t,” said Harry. “There you go!” said Ron quickly, before Hermione could carry on. “If it wasn’t Dumbledore, explain how Dobby knew we were in the cellar, Hermione?” “I can’t — but can you explain how Dumbledore sent him to us if he’s lying in a tomb at Hogwarts?”
Q1 - Is Dumbledore alive?
Q2 - Does the sword really belong to Goblins?
Q3 - Do you think he plan will go well with Griphook?
- “So, au revoir, Mr. Ollivander,” said Fleur, kissing him on both cheeks. “And I wonder whezzer you could oblige me by delivering a package to Bill’s Auntie Muriel? I never returned ’er tiara.” “It will be an honor,” said Ollivander with a little bow, “the very least I can do in return for your generous hospitality.” Fleur drew out a worn velvet case, which she opened to show the wandmaker. The tiara sat glittering and twinkling in the light from the low-hanging lamp. “Moonstones and diamonds,” said Griphook, who had sidled into the room without Harry noticing. “Made by goblins, I think?”
Q4 - Could Danny’s tiara theory be right all along?
- Lupin fell over the threshold. He was white-faced, wrapped in a traveling cloak, his graying hair windswept. He straightened up, looked around the room, making sure of who was there, then cried aloud, “It’s a boy! We’ve named him Ted, after Dora’s father!” Hermione shrieked. “Wha — ? Tonks — Tonks has had the baby?” “Yes, yes, she’s had the baby!” shouted Lupin. All around the table came cries of delight, sighs of relief: Hermione and Fleur both squealed, “Congratulations!” and Ron said, “Blimey, a baby!” as if he had never heard of such a thing before. “Yes — yes — a boy,” said Lupin again, who seemed dazed by his own happiness. He strode around the table and hugged Harry; the scene in the basement of Grimmauld Place might never have happened. “You’ll be godfather?” he said as he released Harry. “M-me?” stammered Harry “You, yes, of course — Dora quite agrees, no one better —” “I — yeah — blimey —”
Q5 - What do you think about Lupin and Tonks having a baby?
- Harry had an ominous feeling now; he wondered whether Bill guessed more than he was letting on. “All I am saying,” said Bill, setting his hand on the door back into the sitting room, “is to be very careful what you promise goblins, Harry. It would be less dangerous to break into Gringotts than to renege on a promise to a goblin.”
Q6 - Are they dumb to trust Griphook?
Chapter 26 - Gringotts
- “I hate this thing,” she said in a low voice. “I really hate it. It feels all wrong, it doesn’t work properly for me. . . . It’s like a bit of her.” “It’ll probably help you get in character, though,” said Ron. “Think what that wand’s done!” “But that’s my point!” said Hermione. “This is the wand that tortured Neville’s mum and dad, and who knows how many other people? This is the wand that killed Sirius!”
Q1 - Should they snap this wand in two?
- Harry looked down at the hawthorn wand that had once belonged to Draco Malfoy. He had been surprised, but pleased, to discover that it worked for him at least as well as Hermione’s had done. Remembering what Ollivander had told them of the secret workings of wands, Harry thought he knew what Hermione’s problem was: She had not won the walnut wand’s allegiance by taking it personally from Bellatrix.
Q2 - Is this true?
- He realized now that they could hardly have laid Dobby to rest in a more beautiful place, but Harry ached with sadness to think of leaving him behind. Looking down on the grave, he wondered yet again how the elf had known where to come to rescue them. His fingers moved absentmindedly to the little pouch still strung around his neck, through which he could feel the jagged mirror fragment in which he had been sure he had seen Dumbledore’s eye. Then the sound of a door opening made him look around.
Q3 - Any further theories on who sent Dobby?
- “They know!” whispered Griphook in Harry’s ear. “They must have been warned there might be an impostor!” “Your wand will do, madam,” said the goblin. He held out a slightly trembling hand, and in a dreadful blast of realization Harry knew that the goblins of Gringotts were aware that Bellatrix’s wand had been stolen. “Act now, act now,” whispered Griphook in Harry’s ear, “the Imperius Curse!” Harry raised the hawthorn wand beneath the cloak, pointed it at the old goblin, and whispered, for the first time in his life, “Imperio!”
Q4 - What do you think about Harry using the Imperius curse?
Q5 - Is Travers going to permanently be in a crack in the wall in Gringotts?
Q6 - What do you think of all the enchantments at Gringotts?
- “Harry, could this be — ? Aargh!” Hermione screamed in pain, and Harry turned his wand on her in time to see a jeweled goblet tumbling from her grip. But as it fell, it split, became a shower of goblets, so that a second later, with a great clatter, the floor was covered in identical cups rolling in every direction, the original impossible to discern amongst them. “It burned me!” moaned Hermione, sucking her blistered fingers. “They have added Gemino and Flagrante Curses!” said Griphook. “Everything you touch will burn and multiply, but the copies are worthless — and if you continue to handle the treasure, you will eventually be crushed to death by the weight of expanding gold!”
Q7 - What do you think about this?
- The tiny golden cup, skewered by the handle on the sword’s blade, was flung into the air. The goblin still astride him, Harry dived and caught it, and although he could feel it scalding his flesh he did not relinquish it, even while countless Hufflepuff cups burst from his fist.
Q8 - Do they have the cup?
Q9 - How do you like their dragon heist?
Chapter 27 - The Final Hiding Place
- “Well, on the upside,” said Ron finally, who was sitting watching the skin on his hands regrow, “we got the Horcrux. On the downside —” “— no sword,” said Harry through gritted teeth, as he dripped dittany through the singed hole in his jeans onto the angry burn beneath.
Q1 - How will they destroy this Horcrux?
- The sky, the smell of lake water, the sound of Ron’s voice were extinguished: Pain cleaved Harry’s head like a sword stroke. He was standing in a dimly lit room, and a semicircle of wizards faced him, and on the floor at his feet knelt a small, quaking figure. “What did you say to me?” His voice was high and cold, but fury and fear burned inside him. The one thing he had dreaded — but it could not be true, he could not see how . . . The goblin was trembling, unable to meet the red eyes high above his. “Say it again!” murmured Voldemort. “Say it again!” “M-my Lord,” stammered the goblin, its black eyes wide with terror, “m-my Lord . . . we t-tried t-to st-stop them. . . . Im-impostors, my Lord . . . broke — broke into the — into the Lestranges’ v-vault. . . .” “Impostors? What impostors? I thought Gringotts had ways of revealing impostors? Who were they?” “It was . . . it was . . . the P-Potter b-boy and t-two accomplices. . . .” “And they took?” he said, his voice rising, a terrible fear gripping him. “Tell me! What did they take?” “A . . . a s-small golden c-cup, m-my Lord . . .” The scream of rage, of denial left him as if it were a stranger’s: He was crazed, frenzied, it could not be true, it was impossible, nobody had ever known: How was it possible that the boy could have discovered his secret?
Q2 - What do you think of this?
- But surely if the boy had destroyed any of his Horcruxes, he, Lord Voldemort, would have known, would have felt it?
Q3 - So has Voldemort not felt these horcruxes being destroyed?
- But he must know, he must be sure. . . . He paced the room, kicking aside the goblin’s corpse as he passed, and the pictures blurred and burned in his boiling brain: the lake, the shack, and Hogwarts —
Q4 - Where at Hogwarts?
- As for the school: He alone knew where in Hogwarts he had stowed the Horcrux, because he alone had plumbed the deepest secrets of that place. . . . And there was still Nagini, who must remain close now, no longer sent to do his bidding, under his protection. . . .
Q5 - If Voldemort is checking the hiding places, how much time do the trio have?
- “But how are we going to get in?” “We’ll go to Hogsmeade,” said Harry, “and try to work something out once we see what the protection around the school’s like. Get under the Cloak, Hermione, I want to stick together this time.” “But we don’t really fit —” “It’ll be dark, no one’s going to notice our feet.” The flapping of enormous wings echoed across the black water: The dragon had drunk its fill and risen into the air. They paused in their preparations to watch it climb higher and higher, now black against the rapidly darkening sky, until it vanished over a nearby mountain. Then Hermione walked forward and took her place between the other two. Harry pulled the Cloak down as far as it would go, and together they turned on the spot into the crushing darkness.
Chapter 28 - The Missing Mirror
- He raised his wand: He could not, would not, suffer the Dementor’s Kiss, whatever happened afterward. It was of Ron and Hermione that he thought as he whispered, “Expecto Patronum!”
Q1 - Should they have planned this a little better?
- Ron gasped. “The silver doe!” he said excitedly. “Was that you too?” “What are you talking about?” said Aberforth. “Someone sent a doe Patronus to us!” “Brains like that, you could be a Death Eater, son. Haven’t I just proved my Patronus is a goat?” “Oh,” said Ron. “Yeah . . . well, I’m hungry!” he added defensively as his stomach gave an enormous rumble
- “My brother Albus wanted a lot of things,” said Aberforth, “and people had a habit of getting hurt while he was carrying out his grand plans. You get away from this school, Potter, and out of the country if you can. Forget my brother and his clever schemes. He’s gone where none of this can hurt him, and you don’t owe him anything.”
Q2 - Is Aberforth a reliable story teller?
- “It destroyed her, what they did: She was never right again. She wouldn’t use magic, but she couldn’t get rid of it; it turned inward and drove her mad, it exploded out of her when she couldn’t control it, and at times she was strange and dangerous. But mostly she was sweet and scared and harmless.
Q3 - What do you think this looks like?
- But he did all right for a few weeks . . . till he came.” And now a positively dangerous look crept over Aberforth’s face. “Grindelwald. And at last, my brother had an equal to talk to, someone just as bright and talented as he was. And looking after Ariana took a backseat then, while they were hatching all their plans for a new Wizarding order, and looking for Hallows, and whatever else it was they were so interested in. Grand plans for the benefit of all Wizardkind, and if one young girl got neglected, what did that matter, when Albus was working for the greater good?
- He got angry. He told me what a stupid little boy I was, trying to stand in the way of him and my brilliant brother. . . . Didn’t I understand, my poor sister wouldn’t have to be hidden once they’d changed the world, and led the wizards out of hiding, and taught the Muggles their place?
Q4 - What do you think of Grindewald now?
- “He was never free,” said Harry. “I beg your pardon?” said Aberforth. “Never,” said Harry. “The night that your brother died, he drank a potion that drove him out of his mind. He started screaming, pleading with someone who wasn’t there. ‘Don’t hurt them, please . . . hurt me instead.’”
Q5 - Do you think Dumbledore really never forgave himself?
- “Because,” said Harry before Hermione could answer, “sometimes you’ve got to think about more than your own safety! Sometimes you’ve got to think about the greater good! This is war!” “You’re seventeen, boy!” “I’m of age, and I’m going to keep fighting even if you’ve given up!” “Who says I’ve given up?” “‘The Order of the Phoenix is finished,’” Harry repeated. “‘YouKnow-Who’s won, it’s over, and anyone who’s pretending different’s kidding themselves.’” “I don’t say I like it, but it’s the truth!” “No, it isn’t,” said Harry. “Your brother knew how to finish YouKnow-Who and he passed the knowledge on to me. I’m going to keep going until I succeed — or I die. Don’t think I don’t know how this might end. I’ve known it for years.”
Q6 - What do you think of this whole story?
Q7 - How will this end?
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[00:01:07] So, let me think. Now I gotta get rid of that because it's gonna distract me.
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[00:01:28] Um, so basically they go to the cottage on the sea, whatever that thing's called.
[00:01:35] Yeah. Shell cottage. Shell cottage. And then, um, Harry kind of has this like epiphany of like,
[00:01:42] I know what I need to do. He talks to Griphook. He talks to Ollivander. Learns about the wands.
[00:01:48] Mm-hmm.
[00:01:50] A little bit. Um, but he learns like, how, like he, now he knows what Voldemort knows.
[00:01:59] Because he talked to Ollivander about the wands and like, he knows what Ollivander told him in
[00:02:03] its entirety instead of just like seeing that little vision, but.
[00:02:07] Okay. Yeah.
[00:02:08] You, you talked about like Harry is dead set in knowing what he has to do now. Do you like
[00:02:12] his resolve here? Is this like a change of pace for Harry? I think it's cool. I feel like it's
[00:02:16] that like internal just beacon of being the chosen one that this is what I have to do now. Yeah.
[00:02:23] And I think like knowing what we read so far, I think he makes like the right decision. Like
[00:02:29] it seems like it's playing out. Okay.
[00:02:31] Okay. Well, but he, he doesn't get the elder wand. No, but I don't think he needs the elder wand.
[00:02:39] He said last podcast he needs it. That's the way he defeats Voldemort.
[00:02:43] I change my mind every single time. I'm sorry. Um, I'm just learning as I go. My opinions are
[00:02:49] changing as I read. It's great. It's great to change your mind and opinions on things. Great.
[00:02:52] Change is great.
[00:02:55] But no, no, no, he definitely does need the other one at some point. I don't think like right now,
[00:03:01] it's the end of the world. I think he can get it later. Um,
[00:03:06] okay. And there's like no shot unless you literally wanted to face Voldemort again,
[00:03:10] which like you don't want to do. Why would you go try and get the other one? Cause he's like
[00:03:15] watching him in the back of his mind. Yeah. Watching Voldemort go to Hogwarts. He's like,
[00:03:18] he's right there now. Yes. So just avoid that. Okay. This might sound like a weird question,
[00:03:24] but is Voldemort the actual owner of the elder wand now? So he took it from Dumbledore.
[00:03:30] But yeah, I thought you ought to like murder them though. Okay. So, or like maybe the bond,
[00:03:36] the wand isn't going to like Voldemort cause it's like not like a real passing on of it. Also,
[00:03:43] I said that I was like, they better not dig up Voldemort or Dumbledore and he's like, yeah.
[00:03:49] That's so disrespectful guys. I know. I hate that. I hate him. I hate him for that. But yeah,
[00:03:53] I'm like, is it the elder wand? Okay. Is there a decoy? I guess it is the other one. Okay. So
[00:04:02] it's an interesting thing that like maybe the other one won't respond to him cause he didn't
[00:04:05] win it out. Right. What does it take to win the elder wand? So maybe I'm putting some leading
[00:04:15] questions here. Good. Did Snape because he killed him, does Snape deserve the elder wand?
[00:04:25] Hmm. Who, who is the elder wand's rightful owner? I don't know. So Snape killed him. Did they not
[00:04:34] like Expelliarmus his wand at first though? Uh, didn't somebody like bust in the door? Who?
[00:04:44] I don't know. Who was the first in the door? Draco. But did he grab his wand? The first thing he did
[00:04:53] when he came through the door was he, yeah. Cause he Dumbledore froze Harry and in the time it's
[00:04:58] like in the freeze Harry, he couldn't respond quick and he got his wand. Or was he stupefied though?
[00:05:04] Cause like the, there's like a tiny part of me that's like, if the wand just was Expelliarmus or
[00:05:10] like just went flying somewhere that like there could have been a different wand swap from like
[00:05:16] Hagrid burying, from the time of like Dumbledore getting blown off the tower into like being buried,
[00:05:22] like there could be a wand swap unless it's like, I know exactly where that wand is the entire time.
[00:05:29] So like, because Draco did Expelliarmus on him or stupefire or whatever it was,
[00:05:35] he would be the rightful owner, but it could have like swapped anybody else.
[00:05:39] No, I'm not saying like rightful owner. I'm just saying there's like a time
[00:05:43] line. There's a gap in the timeline that like maybe a swap could have happened, but
[00:05:47] I don't know. I guess Voldemort's the, he seemed like it right now. I guess Snape would be the
[00:05:53] rightful owner because he killed him. Cause wasn't that what Ollivander was saying? Like you can,
[00:06:01] you can have like a stronger connection to the wand or a weaker connection and the wand will be like
[00:06:07] more yielding to you. Yeah. Well, I didn't even think wand lore was a real word. I thought you
[00:06:13] made that up. No dude, it's a real, don't make crap up. It's all from Harry Potter. That was funny.
[00:06:20] Yeah, dude. Tell me all the wand lore that you know, because I want to be well-versed in wand lore.
[00:06:27] The only thing that we know for sure is that the wand chooses the wizard.
[00:06:33] We don't really know what that means. I think wand lore would be so fun. I would love to work
[00:06:37] at Ollivander's. Love to be a wand maker. It'd be so fun. But it doesn't seem like an exact science.
[00:06:47] There seems, it seems like there's some, like a lot of mysticism behind it.
[00:06:55] And I don't quite know the majority of it, but it's really fascinating to me when I was reading
[00:07:01] with another friend of mine, that's the thing he was interested in the most. When we finished like
[00:07:06] book four and like, you know, they did like the weighing of the wands. He was like, I just want to
[00:07:12] know more about wands and like wand lore and all that kind of stuff. And then he got his answer,
[00:07:16] got his wish. His wish was granted. So yeah. But do you think that, so you, you think that they made
[00:07:25] the right decision here? Who? So in, in, in Harry's mind right here, he, he's like having this vision
[00:07:31] of Voldemort flying, going to Dumbledore's grave. And then he has a, he has two doors to choose. He can go
[00:07:38] in the, with the, uh, little God, gremlin. So he's either making a decision right there between
[00:07:48] Horcruxes, which they're finding the next Horcrux or Hallows. And he chooses Horcruxes.
[00:07:53] You think his decision's right because he's Harry Potter. Of course, his decision's right.
[00:07:59] Like a non-existent. It just, it it's life. It's what you do. Life goes around once you do.
[00:08:06] Like there's no, it's just, I don't know. Fundamentally, I don't think there's like a right
[00:08:10] and a wrong. I love that. But circling back to the wand thing, I don't think, again, I don't feel
[00:08:18] like there is like a rightful owner. Like, I think if you could, like, you can just take it from somebody
[00:08:26] and it's going to work. Like, it's going to be a wand in everybody's hand. I don't know if like,
[00:08:34] like the way Voldemort takes it feels cheap to me. Cause it's like the person in the past who's
[00:08:40] killed the, the owner of the elder wand, they take the wand and it's like this big, like
[00:08:47] murder passed the wand down. Like you earn the wand. And I feel like they didn't earn the wand
[00:08:51] because like one person did the killing. Then it didn't go anywhere. It stayed with the owner and
[00:08:56] then Voldemort stole it. So I don't like, I just don't even know. Cause why would it like,
[00:09:01] would Harry have to kill Dumbledore to be like the rightful owner of the wand? Yeah.
[00:09:05] It seems like wands have minds of their own. Cause there's another weird one where Harry
[00:09:09] has Draco's wand. Then he says, I took this one from Draco Malfoy Malfoy by force said, Harry,
[00:09:15] can I use it safely? I think so. Subtle laws govern wand ownership, but the conquered one will
[00:09:21] usually bend its will to its new master. So he's like saying usually, and he's like subtle law laws
[00:09:27] govern these things. And I like, he's not positive of this, but he thinks it might happen. So there's
[00:09:32] like a lot of subtlety, a lot of nuance when it comes to this kind of stuff. But is Harry the
[00:09:36] rightful owner of Draco's wand now? Yes. He seems like it. Cause he seems like he's doing pretty good
[00:09:44] magic with it. They took Draco and Bellatrix's right? Didn't even, what were you gonna say?
[00:09:51] Bellatrix is unyielding. Her wand doesn't yield to them.
[00:09:54] But Hermione uses Bellatrix's wand, right? Yeah. I don't know if she ever uses it.
[00:10:00] In the, in Gringotts she does. Does she present it? Does, or does she use it? Use it?
[00:10:07] Oh, would she have like her own wand? Yeah, maybe. I don't know.
[00:10:11] I don't know. Maybe she would use it. That's interesting. Double wand it up.
[00:10:15] Yeah, seriously. Dual wield a wand. What kind of wand is Draco's? Is that a dragon? Cause again,
[00:10:26] the dragon one's the one that like leans to the dark side and like... Yeah. His is, no,
[00:10:31] his is Hawthorne wood with the unicorn hair core. 10 inches precisely. What is unicorn hair
[00:10:38] good for? I'm just Googling all this. Um, I think it's charm work. The wands of these cores
[00:10:52] produce the most consistent magic. We're at least subject to fluctuation and blockages. We're most
[00:10:57] difficult to turn to the dark arts and we're the most faithful wands.
[00:11:03] Phoenixes? No, unicorn hair. Oh,
[00:11:08] hard to turn to the dark side. Yeah. Okay. It's kind of crazy. However, they did not make the
[00:11:13] most powerful wands unless the wood, the wand would compensated and were prone to melancholy if
[00:11:19] mishandled. I love all this stuff. This is so fascinating to me. Prone to melancholy. Me too.
[00:11:28] Yeah. I am a unicorn hair wand. Am I a unicorn? Um, because they talk about it. So Ollivander,
[00:11:36] he wand lore was all over the place at one, one given point. So I'll give you more information
[00:11:41] about wand lore. Wand lore was all over the place. People were using substances, magical substances,
[00:11:45] like every magical substance they can find. And they were shoving in sticks of wood and hoping,
[00:11:50] hoping that it would produce magic. And they refined it a little bit. And like a few substances were used,
[00:11:56] a few things. And Ollivander kind of revolution, revolutionized the wand game by only using three
[00:12:02] substances he deemed the strongest and the best. So they were wand, they were unicorn hair,
[00:12:07] phoenix feather, and dragon heartstring. He thought those three, those three things were the
[00:12:11] greatest wands. I'm going to get the giggles right now. I'm sorry.
[00:12:15] Those are the greatest three. But we have seen other things in other people's wands.
[00:12:20] There is a Thestral, uh, hair in a wand. What?
[00:12:25] There is a Vila hair in a wand. Oh yeah. Um, who is a Thestral wand? Um,
[00:12:33] this isn't crazy spoiler. The elder wand is a Thestral. I think Thestral...
[00:12:39] Is that like the most powerful ever then?
[00:12:43] No, it's just an omen of death really. A tail hair of Thestral.
[00:12:51] I'm sorry. I can't. I gotta get it out.
[00:12:53] You're just watching me nerd out over wands and you're like, oh my gosh.
[00:12:56] It's not even like... What did I get myself into?
[00:12:57] No, it's like just me getting the giggles is like unrelated to things in general.
[00:13:04] Sorry, I thought they get, I don't think it personally.
[00:13:06] Sorry. No, I find your wand lore very interesting.
[00:13:13] Um, yeah, there's a lot more about wand lore in these chapters, but it's inexact and like
[00:13:20] there's just lots of questions that come up out of this.
[00:13:22] Is this the chapter where Harry is like, Dumbledore gave Ron the Deluminator
[00:13:30] any because like he understood him and Hermione, he understood.
[00:13:35] And then he says something about like, am I meant to know but not to like find or something?
[00:13:43] What is that supposed to mean? Because I was like also thinking that with the snitch because
[00:13:46] I said that when he was shaking it. I was like, yeah, he's seen Ron and Hermione's both
[00:13:51] be useful to them and then his is like pointless. So, and then he said that the next chapter I was like, oh, like
[00:13:58] that is what he was thinking. But then he was like one step ahead of me because he was like understanding
[00:14:02] what Dumbledore actually like kind of purposed for that.
[00:14:09] He says, you gave Ron the Deluminator. You understood him. Um, you gave him a way back
[00:14:20] and you understood Wormtail too. You knew there was a bit of regret there somewhere. And if you knew them,
[00:14:24] what did you know about me Dumbledore? Am I meant to know but not to seek? Did you know how hard I'd
[00:14:29] find that? Is that why you made it so difficult? So I didn't have time to work that out.
[00:14:33] So just know about the hollows but not find them?
[00:14:35] Yeah, that's that this is Harry's conclusion up until this point. He's looking at this and saying
[00:14:40] it was so hard to figure this out. And Dumbledore didn't like this is why Harry is very dead set.
[00:14:45] He's like we're going after Horcruxes. That's the only way. That's the only way we can defeat him.
[00:14:50] We're not going after Hallows, even though Harry was on like a month long obsession with Hallows.
[00:14:54] He's bypassed that. And he's looking at that now looking back at that and being like this is why
[00:14:59] Dumbledore made it so difficult because he wanted me to know about these things and know what
[00:15:03] Voldemort is going after and like know about the aura around these things, but never really to go
[00:15:07] after them. Is he not like gonna go after the Elder Wand right now though? Harry? Yeah. No,
[00:15:12] he's already late. At the end of this chapter, he was already too late. Dumbledore... I didn't
[00:15:17] even say Ciri dude. Ciri. Voldemort was already... He already like obtained the wand. But I think
[00:15:23] he's gonna get the Elder Wand. How? If it's in Voldemort's possession. Fight him.
[00:15:33] Dumb. All right. So if he wins in the end, maybe you'll have it. But I don't know if you can
[00:15:37] you can defeat someone with the Elder Wand. What is the ring of authenticity on the Elder Wand?
[00:15:50] Or there are written accounts, some of them obscure that I and other wand makers have
[00:15:54] made it our business to study. They have the ring of authenticity. What does that mean?
[00:16:03] I don't know actually. Is that just like continuity between all the stories? I would say it's like
[00:16:10] just a lineage. They like are tracking the thing and... And uh, yeah. Because if you say the word
[00:16:16] ring, I'm gonna think about the other ring. And I'm like, what if it's like the ring goes with the wand?
[00:16:22] It's not the ring of power, it's the ring of continuity. And what if they test the Elder Wand on
[00:16:27] that ring? And then if it snaps the thing, then it's the Elder Wand, you know? Interesting. Okay.
[00:16:33] I don't know. I like your plans. I like your ideas. Um, I...
[00:16:42] Hermione's wand is at the Malfoy's so she's not using her own wand. That's right. That's right.
[00:16:47] She is using Bellatrix's I guess. Unless it's one of the other ones. That's crazy. She's probably using Bellatrix.
[00:16:52] She could probably use it to some extent, but she can't really, really use it because it's like an
[00:16:55] unyielding wand. Because she was complaining about it and then Harry was like, uh, that's what I was
[00:17:00] dealing with. Yeah. Welcome to my life, dude. Yeah. It's still devastating that Harry's wand is
[00:17:05] destroyed. I'd be... If... Yeah. If I was like a wizard and I had my wand for so long and then all of a
[00:17:11] sudden it snapped, I'd be like, ugh. It's like losing a friend. I gotta start back from scratch. Yeah.
[00:17:15] It's like your little buddy. It's like a pet. It gets you through so much. I know. I thought, um,
[00:17:22] you probably thought the same saying the wand maker discussion was a little bit more interesting
[00:17:25] than the horcrux discussion. But was there anything about the horcrux discussion that kind of caught
[00:17:29] you off guard? They think they have to go to Gringotts now and you already know like the next
[00:17:33] chapters, they go into Gringotts and everything like that. But anything about the horcruxes that
[00:17:40] was that caught your fancier that you were interested in? I like the way the chapter ends though.
[00:17:51] How does it end? Um... Okay. Had the old fool imagined that the marble... Oh, okay. Wait.
[00:18:01] Never mind. I'm going back to the beginning. Had the old fool imagined that marble or death would
[00:18:06] protect the wand? Had he thought that the dark lord would be scared to violate his tomb? The
[00:18:11] spider-like hand swooped and pulled the wand from Dumbledore's grasp and as he took it, a shower of
[00:18:17] sparks flew from its tips. Tip. Sparkling over the corpse of its last wand.
[00:18:28] No. Okay. I'm sorry guys. Um...
[00:18:34] We're children over here. I literally can't.
[00:18:39] Ready to serve its new master at last. Thank you. That's such a beautiful...
[00:18:48] That's such a great last line.
[00:18:49] ...sad moment, you know?
[00:18:51] Okay. The next chapter is Shell Cottage. Do you have anything else on this one?
[00:18:54] No. Okay. Shell Cottage, which they essentially plan and plot for Gringotts.
[00:19:00] Ugh. Now I'm gonna get sweaty.
[00:19:06] Um... Okay. Do you think that their plan is gonna go... I mean, you already know everything
[00:19:13] here, but do you think that they're smart to trust goblins?
[00:19:21] Dire situations. Yeah.
[00:19:23] Like, you need to... You gotta use what you got, I guess. And by the time Bill had given him a warning,
[00:19:31] they... He, like, already had figured that out. So, I feel like, for as much as Bill knows them from
[00:19:37] working with goblins, it's like, if that was all he could say, I think Harry and the trio were,
[00:19:43] like, already on that same page of, like, we gotta go around it somehow. But yeah, I'm like, maybe don't bring
[00:19:49] the sword with you. Like, leave the sword at the cottage and then be like, we'll get it. We'll,
[00:19:55] we'll give it to you when we come back or something and then just, like, kill the goblin when you're, like,
[00:19:59] in Gringotts. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Okay, so, let's talk about Horcruxes real quick.
[00:20:05] What are the ones they have destroyed so far? The destroyed Horcruxes are the Diary, the Ring,
[00:20:18] uh, the Locket, and then... That's it. Those are the only ones that are destroyed. Yeah.
[00:20:24] What are the remaining ones? And where are they? Nagini is with Voldemort wherever he is.
[00:20:32] Yep. The cup is now in their possession. Yep.
[00:20:38] And...
[00:20:40] What is that? Three, four, five. It's five. There's two more.
[00:20:48] There's two more. Um... Or one more. Harry? Because you already know that part of the book.
[00:20:55] Then there's, like, the little soul of Voldemort that's, like, the still the Voldemort part.
[00:21:00] That is not quite a Horcrux. There is one more Horcrux. You know what it is. You have any guesses
[00:21:05] what this object could be? Where it would be? Have I guessed it before? Your, your guesses have been
[00:21:11] the Sword of Gryffindor. That's about it. I don't know. I think something's in the room of
[00:21:19] requirement. Okay. But... Are you saying that out of your memory or are you just taking a guess?
[00:21:25] I think it's a memory. Okay. If I had to guess, I would say it's a memory. That's basically where I'm at with that one. But that's just whatever's at Hogwarts, I guess. Okay.
[00:21:39] So... What that would be? It's not coming to me right now. Maybe if I reviewed all of the books, I'd have a guess. But off the top of my head...
[00:21:50] Not sure? Nothing. Something Hogwarts-y. What's Hogwarts-y?
[00:21:58] Uh... Was the tiara that's on the skull in Bellatrix's thing... Like, was that anything to do with the tiara that the... Or like, that was a crown?
[00:22:11] Mm-hmm. But didn't Bill tell a story of like, somebody buying a crown and then it like, passing down?
[00:22:18] Mm-hmm. Is that the same one? That was... Is that the Horcrux? No, that was a... She can't have two... Aunt Muriel's tiara.
[00:22:26] There's been a lot of tiara talk in this book. Maybe there's a tiara Horcrux.
[00:22:31] Because there was one when they were in... Yeah, there's been a lot of like, diadems or tiaras. Aunt Muriel had her diadem or tiara, whatever the heck that was called. I think tiara. And then there was a headdress that was in Zeno's house that he was trying to recreate.
[00:22:51] She was trying to be like, the Hufflepuff thing or something. Or Ravenclaw. The Ravenclaw thing, yeah.
[00:22:55] Yeah. And then...
[00:22:58] That's like...
[00:22:59] There's one in the vault and you're like, why has there been all of these mentions of it?
[00:23:03] Yeah, why does she point it out?
[00:23:05] Yeah.
[00:23:07] And why is it on a skull? Hello?
[00:23:09] Yeah, it's a little creepy. Not like a hat stand.
[00:23:11] Was that person alive in there? Yeah.
[00:23:13] Yeah, for real.
[00:23:16] So, what do you think about Lupin and Tonks having a baby?
[00:23:19] I was so excited.
[00:23:21] Yeah. I love how excited Lupin is.
[00:23:23] And it's like, he's back to life again. Redemption, I know.
[00:23:26] He's living his life. Finally.
[00:23:28] Did he know that the trio was at Bill's?
[00:23:32] Because he just like busted in the door and was like, we're having a baby.
[00:23:37] Yeah, I don't know. I think he did.
[00:23:38] I think there was like probably some slight rumors that they were at Bill and Flores.
[00:23:41] I don't think a lot of people knew, but I think...
[00:23:43] Or maybe Bill told the order when he left.
[00:23:46] Yeah. Maybe a few people.
[00:23:47] But yeah, that's fun.
[00:23:49] Yeah.
[00:23:49] And then Harry's a godfather.
[00:23:52] I know! Isn't that crazy?
[00:23:53] That's really cool.
[00:23:54] That's really cool.
[00:23:55] It's so exciting.
[00:23:57] I know.
[00:23:57] It would be kind of fun to be a godfather.
[00:24:00] Danny's a godfather.
[00:24:01] Really?
[00:24:02] The godfather.
[00:24:04] You're an uncle though.
[00:24:06] Yeah, which is better.
[00:24:06] I feel like that's kind of like the same situation.
[00:24:09] Uncle's way better than being a godfather.
[00:24:11] I mean, being a godfather is cool because it's like honored because you're like your friends are like, hey, if we die, you take over for us.
[00:24:19] Being uncle's the best.
[00:24:20] It's like they're your own kin.
[00:24:24] That's what a godfather is?
[00:24:26] Yeah.
[00:24:27] What do you think a godfather was?
[00:24:29] I don't know.
[00:24:30] I didn't know that was like you're the person you go to.
[00:24:33] Yeah.
[00:24:33] Like when we...
[00:24:34] If my parents died, we would just go to our uncles.
[00:24:36] Yeah, that's different.
[00:24:38] That's like family, if I'm really looking.
[00:24:39] So like in my brother's will.
[00:24:43] To be honest, I think Godfather is kind of like a made up thing right now.
[00:24:48] Like for Danny.
[00:24:49] I thought it was just like an honor type of like...
[00:24:52] It probably is more like an honor right now.
[00:24:54] It has been in certain people that I've known.
[00:25:02] Like if the person dies, like Sirius was the godfather for Harry.
[00:25:06] So Sirius, because Harry's parents died, probably should have gone to Sirius had Sirius not been accused of being the murderer.
[00:25:15] And he went to Azkaban.
[00:25:17] He probably would have gone with Sirius when he was when he was young because he was like the next of kin kind of because he didn't want to go to the Dursleys.
[00:25:23] So I think Godfather has always had some of a connotation of that, but more so it's just an honor now.
[00:25:27] I feel like like there's people that, you know, you say, oh, you're the godfather of my son.
[00:25:32] But if you really died, your kids would probably go to the family.
[00:25:35] You're not going to like go out of the family and just go like a buddy.
[00:25:38] So I don't know.
[00:25:39] It'd be kind of fun though.
[00:25:40] Yeah, I know.
[00:25:41] That would be kind of fun.
[00:25:43] And Luna and Ollivander are best sees now.
[00:25:46] I know they're cute.
[00:25:47] That was so nice.
[00:25:48] I know.
[00:25:48] He was like, it was the best thing to have you in that cell.
[00:25:54] Like, yeah, I don't know.
[00:25:56] They're sweet.
[00:25:57] I like inexpressible comfort to me in that terrible place.
[00:26:01] That's what he said.
[00:26:02] Honestly, I feel like Luna would be great at one one making.
[00:26:05] I feel like she should take over for Ollivander when he's dead.
[00:26:08] She could be like a little apprentice right now.
[00:26:12] Yeah.
[00:26:12] And then she would be like totally into like the mystique.
[00:26:15] Oh, yeah.
[00:26:16] Wand lord.
[00:26:16] And she'd experiment with all sorts of wand subjects like, you know, change the whole
[00:26:21] tune on that.
[00:26:22] She'd be like, you can take a blasted screw and put that in a wand core.
[00:26:29] Or she could work for the twins.
[00:26:32] Uh, no, she's like too smart for that.
[00:26:34] Yeah, she's no, I don't know if she's too.
[00:26:36] I mean, I think she's real smart.
[00:26:38] Twins are crazy smart, but she's a different kind of smart.
[00:26:41] She's like ethereal smart.
[00:26:42] The twins are like very earthy smart.
[00:26:45] Like they're coming up with all sorts of crazy stuff.
[00:26:47] You said girthy?
[00:26:48] Earthy.
[00:26:49] I was like, what the heck?
[00:26:51] I don't know.
[00:26:51] Maybe.
[00:26:53] Um, I just feel like Luna has like.
[00:26:58] It's too late to record a podcast.
[00:26:59] It was great.
[00:27:00] It's my bedtime.
[00:27:01] I just think Luna has like a better purpose than like a joke shop, like a joke type of magic.
[00:27:07] I feel like she's not out trying to make money.
[00:27:09] I feel like she's, you know, trying to save the world.
[00:27:13] Really?
[00:27:14] Yeah.
[00:27:15] We're not trying to save the world, but like, uh.
[00:27:17] I think she just wants to live like a nice life, you know?
[00:27:20] I'm kind of with you on that actually.
[00:27:22] Just have like a nice job.
[00:27:23] Yeah.
[00:27:24] Have a little family.
[00:27:25] Yeah.
[00:27:26] Just enjoy life.
[00:27:28] Yeah.
[00:27:28] I'll give it to Luna.
[00:27:28] Have friends.
[00:27:30] I'm with you.
[00:27:31] Animals.
[00:27:32] Yeah, she definitely wants a lot of.
[00:27:33] She could do like a magical creature type of thing.
[00:27:35] She would be a great like care of magical creatures teacher.
[00:27:41] Everything would be invisible and she'd be like, you guys can't see it.
[00:27:44] Yeah.
[00:27:44] It's there.
[00:27:45] Yeah.
[00:27:48] I'll give you like little fun snippets at the end of this movie and book changes.
[00:27:54] Sort of a fun one with her.
[00:27:55] But we won't get into that now.
[00:27:58] Uh, Gringotts.
[00:27:59] Chapter 26.
[00:28:01] What do you think about this chapter?
[00:28:02] Thanks for bringing that up.
[00:28:03] Yeah, sorry.
[00:28:07] Um, Gringotts.
[00:28:08] Very interesting.
[00:28:10] I love Gringotts, honestly.
[00:28:12] I think it's a really cool place.
[00:28:13] Yes.
[00:28:14] Um, and Harry does his first unforgivable curse.
[00:28:19] Is Imperius unforgivable?
[00:28:20] Yes.
[00:28:21] Isn't that crazy?
[00:28:21] Yeah.
[00:28:22] That's like the nicest out of the three though.
[00:28:24] Yeah.
[00:28:24] Harry has tried the Crucio curse.
[00:28:26] It hasn't really worked.
[00:28:27] So he tries, this is this first successful, uh, of unforgivable curse, which is pretty crazy.
[00:28:36] Do you think it being Draco's wand had anything to do with him being able to do it?
[00:28:42] Cause like has Draco's wand already done unforgivable stuff?
[00:28:48] Cause he just says you have to really mean it, but I'm like, what if Harry's wand is like too nice or something?
[00:28:54] Yeah.
[00:28:55] It's a kind one.
[00:28:56] I don't know if Draco has ever done an unforgivable curse though.
[00:29:01] Like potentially one that we've not seen, but it's never been listed that he's done an unforgivable curse.
[00:29:08] I like sitting like this.
[00:29:09] Yeah.
[00:29:10] We're getting real intense in the podcast now.
[00:29:13] He's never murdered anybody.
[00:29:17] He's never, no, he's Imperius people.
[00:29:19] He's Polly juice people.
[00:29:20] Yeah.
[00:29:20] Who did he Imperius?
[00:29:22] Madame Rose Murda.
[00:29:24] So he has an unforgivable curse.
[00:29:25] So maybe that wand has a natural disposition for Imperius curses and that's why Harry was able to do it.
[00:29:30] Cause it's like being primed already.
[00:29:31] Yeah.
[00:29:36] There are so many innuendos in this one.
[00:29:41] Do you have any further theories on who sent Davi?
[00:29:46] No.
[00:29:46] Cause before they leave, they look at the grave and he's like, oh, who sent that off?
[00:29:51] Who sent that off?
[00:29:52] Is it like, is the mirror like a portrait type of situation?
[00:29:56] Like, did he like, I don't know, like put his soul into the mirror?
[00:30:03] I just, I don't even know if Dumbledore is alive or not.
[00:30:06] I just, I'm so on the fence with that right now, but I'm assuming it's Dumbledore.
[00:30:13] Like who else would it be?
[00:30:15] Like Luna's not going to send Davi.
[00:30:17] I don't think like she's in the thing with them.
[00:30:22] Ginny, I don't think has blue eyes.
[00:30:27] No one else.
[00:30:30] It like, it has to be Dumbledore.
[00:30:34] You're Dumbledore or someone who looks exactly like Dumbledore.
[00:30:37] Yeah.
[00:30:38] We've never encountered like what a flash of blue.
[00:30:40] That's like not even a resemblance.
[00:30:42] It continually says it looks like, yeah.
[00:30:43] And he's like, if this is Dumbledore, clearly this is Dumbledore.
[00:30:46] How it's just like a vague little, I mean, Harry thinks it's Dumbledore, right?
[00:30:52] Yeah.
[00:30:53] Every time this comes up and he tries to think through it, he thinks it's Dumbledore.
[00:30:56] But he doesn't, he's like you, he doesn't make sense of it.
[00:31:00] Cause he's like, he's dead.
[00:31:04] Are they going to like go to Dumbledore's grave and he's like not going to be in there or something?
[00:31:12] Like they're going to visit the grave after Voldemort's there.
[00:31:15] Unfortunately, he was just faking his grave.
[00:31:18] He was just laying in there.
[00:31:19] Voldemort came.
[00:31:20] He's like, don't breathe.
[00:31:20] A little sleeping spell.
[00:31:22] Yeah.
[00:31:23] Right.
[00:31:23] Okay.
[00:31:23] The whole thing could have been a sleeping draft.
[00:31:25] I don't know.
[00:31:26] How would he be alive?
[00:31:28] I don't know.
[00:31:28] He had the three Hallows though.
[00:31:32] Cause he had the, wait, he had the cloak at one point.
[00:31:35] Yeah.
[00:31:35] The cloak.
[00:31:36] What if he had the other two and he took the cloak from James?
[00:31:40] What if that was like when he had all three?
[00:31:45] Cause he has the elder one for like a long time.
[00:31:48] Yeah.
[00:31:49] There he's had the cloak multiple times.
[00:31:53] Yeah.
[00:31:54] And, and so they, they come to the conclusion that the ring, the stone in the ring is the
[00:31:59] resurrection stone.
[00:32:00] So wildly.
[00:32:01] The stone is the thing in the ring.
[00:32:03] They have all been in the same room at one time, right before when they were going to
[00:32:08] go in the cave, Harry takes his invisibility, invisibility cloak with them.
[00:32:12] And they have like this conversation and Dumbledore has the book in book six, right before they're
[00:32:17] about to go.
[00:32:17] So I think Harry brings us his, uh, cloak there.
[00:32:20] Cause he's supposed to have it on them at all times.
[00:32:23] So he has a cloak or maybe they had another conversation, even in all their lessons.
[00:32:29] If Harry had the cloak on him, all three of the Hallows were in the same space.
[00:32:32] Is that why the potion doesn't kill him?
[00:32:37] What do you have to do when you have them all?
[00:32:40] Like just like, you just wield it up and hold them all.
[00:32:43] Yeah.
[00:32:44] I don't understand.
[00:32:45] I think there's, to be honest, I think there's more lore on this than anything else.
[00:32:48] I think all three of those, they don't, they like kind of make you the master of death
[00:32:52] and that like you can revert, reverse death, but they're not really making you the master
[00:32:57] of death.
[00:32:58] No, cause literally all three of those guys die.
[00:33:01] Yeah, exactly.
[00:33:02] So it's just lore.
[00:33:03] There are three very powerful objects and people have coupled those three things together
[00:33:07] because they were made by three brothers or the three of the brothers, the, the tale
[00:33:11] of the three brothers.
[00:33:12] So no one really knows what the lore around that story can kind of grows.
[00:33:16] And people think, Oh, like if you own all three of them and you're untouchable, which
[00:33:20] you probably are, but you're still going to die.
[00:33:24] And like, there's no, Dumbledore invades all these situations, but it's by his own strength.
[00:33:29] There's not like a moment of like, Oh wow.
[00:33:33] He like barely survived that.
[00:33:35] Like good thing he had the invisibility cloak.
[00:33:38] Like he doesn't need that.
[00:33:39] Yeah, exactly.
[00:33:42] Yeah.
[00:33:43] So the hallows are weird.
[00:33:45] They're funky.
[00:33:46] But he's like giving up on the hallows now.
[00:33:49] Yes.
[00:33:51] I still feel that he will get the wand.
[00:33:54] Okay.
[00:33:55] I don't know how, but we'll see.
[00:33:57] Force.
[00:33:59] So he owns Draco's wand now.
[00:34:01] And with Draco's wand, he uses it.
[00:34:03] He uses the Imperius curse.
[00:34:04] The Imperius is Travers as well.
[00:34:07] What do you think about him leaving him in a crack in the wall on Grand Gosset to go across
[00:34:11] that?
[00:34:11] That was so funny.
[00:34:13] He's just like jogging next to the thing and then just like wiggling in.
[00:34:17] I was kind of picturing it like Grand Theft Auto type of like, I was dying.
[00:34:24] Yeah.
[00:34:25] That was really funny.
[00:34:26] I was like, you can't go like any further down there either.
[00:34:28] Like, or just like kill him with the dragon fire.
[00:34:31] Like, I don't know.
[00:34:32] I guess they didn't.
[00:34:33] Wow.
[00:34:34] Ruthless.
[00:34:34] Maybe they didn't think that far in advance, but.
[00:34:37] Harry doesn't want to kill people.
[00:34:39] He wants to like, you know, save people.
[00:34:41] Doesn't have a killing people complex.
[00:34:42] He's got a saving people complex.
[00:34:44] But he's a death eater.
[00:34:45] Yeah.
[00:34:46] This guy has done probably pretty terrible things, so.
[00:34:48] Yeah, probably.
[00:34:50] But.
[00:34:50] That was really funny.
[00:34:52] I do have a very like clear picture of how I imagine that in my head.
[00:34:58] Like a big hide and seek game.
[00:35:00] He's going to be in that wall for years.
[00:35:01] He's probably going to die in that wall.
[00:35:02] I thought he would just like get killed with the dragon fire.
[00:35:07] Oh, really?
[00:35:07] He might.
[00:35:08] Or maybe he just like escape because they're all like.
[00:35:10] Yeah.
[00:35:11] Like carving out the.
[00:35:14] Cavern thing.
[00:35:15] I don't know.
[00:35:15] Yeah.
[00:35:16] What do you think of all the enchantments at Gringotts?
[00:35:20] Very cool.
[00:35:21] Yeah.
[00:35:24] Um.
[00:35:25] And then like even what do you think about their dragon heist?
[00:35:27] How they got out?
[00:35:28] Do you have any questions about any of that kind of stuff?
[00:35:31] Anything roll through your mind?
[00:35:33] Or is this just.
[00:35:33] I was just enjoying the ride.
[00:35:35] Honestly, this chapter is one of those that you just kind of enjoy the ride.
[00:35:38] It's like fun.
[00:35:39] It is fun.
[00:35:40] I really like Gringotts.
[00:35:41] Like that would be one place that I wish we could spend more time in the book.
[00:35:45] Yeah.
[00:35:45] And just like.
[00:35:47] I don't know.
[00:35:48] Learn about goblins and the magic and like obviously there's a hierarchy of protection on different.
[00:35:56] Vaults.
[00:35:57] Yeah.
[00:35:57] But.
[00:35:58] I was also wondering if.
[00:36:03] Dumbledore at some point could have put something into Harry's wall and just like left it there for him to find.
[00:36:09] Harry just doesn't check.
[00:36:10] Yeah.
[00:36:11] Exactly.
[00:36:11] Because the last person that was in there was Mrs. Weasley.
[00:36:14] Like.
[00:36:14] Yeah.
[00:36:15] I think that was like years ago at this point.
[00:36:18] That would mean to open up the clothes.
[00:36:20] Yes.
[00:36:21] Because where your treasure is there your heart will be also.
[00:36:24] Yeah.
[00:36:25] So then it's like maybe his treasure is in the.
[00:36:27] In his.
[00:36:28] Vault.
[00:36:29] It's actually shocking that he doesn't go check it in at this moment.
[00:36:33] Yeah.
[00:36:33] Because that inscription where your treasure is there your heart will be also.
[00:36:36] Well he has no time.
[00:36:38] Yeah.
[00:36:38] That's not exactly like you can't saunter up there.
[00:36:40] Still I'm sure they like drove by it on their way down to the caverns.
[00:36:43] He's like wait let's make a quick fix up right here.
[00:36:45] Or he could have imperious traverse to go.
[00:36:48] Yeah.
[00:36:49] Open his vault and then see what's in there.
[00:36:51] Because I'm like Dumbledore could have put something else in there.
[00:36:54] And then.
[00:36:54] That's how your.
[00:36:55] He could have found it.
[00:36:56] Identity gets thefted though.
[00:36:59] Travers would go in with the key.
[00:37:01] And then he'd all of a sudden come out of a super and be like oh.
[00:37:04] Let's take all this money.
[00:37:05] Hmm.
[00:37:06] It's ridiculous.
[00:37:07] It's wild.
[00:37:08] But yeah.
[00:37:09] Like what else is in Harry's vault at this point?
[00:37:11] Did anybody put anything in there?
[00:37:13] This is his parents fortune.
[00:37:14] That's about it.
[00:37:15] Hagrid has the key.
[00:37:17] Mrs. Weasley got in.
[00:37:19] It is kind of surprising that they don't do that.
[00:37:21] And like I wonder if Harry has access to that of Sirius's vault.
[00:37:24] Like why not go and check that out?
[00:37:27] Even way early.
[00:37:28] Earlier.
[00:37:30] Like he's not very financially savvy.
[00:37:32] He should be like you know.
[00:37:33] I mean he's like 17.
[00:37:34] 17.
[00:37:35] Yeah.
[00:37:35] But I feel like I was maybe a little bit more financially savvy at 17 than he was.
[00:37:40] Maybe not.
[00:37:40] Maybe I'm.
[00:37:41] I think I'm higher than myself.
[00:37:43] And I don't know.
[00:37:44] Yeah.
[00:37:44] I mean.
[00:37:46] He doesn't really need much money at this point.
[00:37:48] Yeah.
[00:37:49] And generally at that age more like the adults are going to handle all that kind of stuff.
[00:37:53] So.
[00:37:53] Yeah.
[00:37:53] I wonder what happened to Sirius's fortune when he died.
[00:37:57] Because the black fortune.
[00:37:58] Does it pass to the next person in line?
[00:38:01] Like Harry's the owner of 12 Grimald Place.
[00:38:04] I'm sure Sirius bequeathed it to Harry.
[00:38:07] Yeah.
[00:38:08] Bequeathed.
[00:38:08] That's the word.
[00:38:09] That's the million dollar word.
[00:38:11] I'm assuming it did.
[00:38:12] Like maybe he'll get out of this all at the end and be like oh yay.
[00:38:16] Mm-hmm.
[00:38:16] There's an extra 100,000 in my little deposit box there.
[00:38:21] Be a nice little surprise.
[00:38:22] The dragon ride was so cool though.
[00:38:24] Like that was awesome.
[00:38:25] That was great.
[00:38:26] I was so happy that the dragon got out.
[00:38:27] And the fact that they just went like unnoticed.
[00:38:30] And then started helping the dragon get out.
[00:38:32] Yes.
[00:38:33] And I love how they make these little appearances too in the world of like all the wizards looking
[00:38:39] for them.
[00:38:40] It's like spotted Harry Potter and the trio or whatever.
[00:38:44] Yeah.
[00:38:44] Like now it's exciting because now everybody's going to know that Harry was riding a dragon
[00:38:49] out of Gringotts and then just like disappeared.
[00:38:52] Yeah.
[00:38:52] But there is an issue with this though because this is the moment that Voldemort is going
[00:38:57] to know that they're hunting Horcruxes.
[00:39:00] And you kind of get that in the next chapter where he has like the vision of essentially
[00:39:03] him like slaughtering a bunch of people over spilling the secret.
[00:39:07] Or like a not spilling the secret over like not protecting his secrets.
[00:39:11] Yeah.
[00:39:12] I think this is when it just transitions to being like open warfare instead of just hiding
[00:39:17] and running.
[00:39:18] Yep.
[00:39:19] So I'll tell you this.
[00:39:21] It's pretty crazy.
[00:39:24] From chapter 27 and on it is one day.
[00:39:28] Well, really?
[00:39:29] Mm hmm.
[00:39:30] They haven't even slept last night though.
[00:39:33] So they're going to be awake.
[00:39:34] I'm tired.
[00:39:35] That always goes on in my head at this moment.
[00:39:37] I'm like, so they didn't sleep the night before.
[00:39:38] They go to Gringotts.
[00:39:39] They break into Gringotts.
[00:39:40] They break in like in the morning.
[00:39:41] And then the whole thing they have full like more than 24 hours where they're probably
[00:39:45] awake.
[00:39:45] I'm like at the end of this I would be so exhausted.
[00:39:47] I feel like falling asleep.
[00:39:50] Adrenaline is an amazing thing.
[00:39:51] Yeah.
[00:39:52] What's the longest you've ever been awake for?
[00:39:55] Uh, probably like 30 hours or something like that.
[00:39:59] Not crazy long.
[00:40:00] Yeah.
[00:40:03] What about you?
[00:40:05] Probably that.
[00:40:06] Or.
[00:40:09] Yeah, maybe like 40.
[00:40:11] Yeah.
[00:40:11] Not that much.
[00:40:13] That's I feel like 40 is significant.
[00:40:14] I always like sleep at some point, you know?
[00:40:17] Yeah.
[00:40:19] I always sleep at some point.
[00:40:22] I'm so unique.
[00:40:25] I'm not like other girls.
[00:40:26] I sleep at some point.
[00:40:27] Yeah.
[00:40:30] All right.
[00:40:30] Uh, chapter 27, the final hiding place.
[00:40:32] Yeah.
[00:40:33] How are they going to destroy this Horcrux?
[00:40:35] I don't know.
[00:40:37] Why did they not just, he's like, let's just hook it on the little, the handle instead
[00:40:43] of just stab it.
[00:40:44] Yep.
[00:40:44] I was like, duh, hello.
[00:40:46] Just stab it and be done.
[00:40:48] Yep.
[00:40:49] Um, and then what, like, Gring, what's his name?
[00:40:52] What's that little goblin?
[00:40:53] RIP hook.
[00:40:54] RIP hook is in there.
[00:40:56] Who you love, who double crossed them.
[00:40:59] Yeah.
[00:41:00] What do you think of goblins now, Lizzie?
[00:41:02] They're pretty cool.
[00:41:06] I don't, yeah, like, obviously they are living a little different lifestyle than we do, but
[00:41:14] I don't hate them.
[00:41:16] But, um, yeah, he stole the sword.
[00:41:21] Maybe he didn't steal it.
[00:41:22] Maybe he's the rightful owner.
[00:41:24] But, like, why would that not be part of the deal?
[00:41:27] Like, until we smash the sword into this cup, then you can take the sword.
[00:41:33] Yeah.
[00:41:34] Or, like, that's what needs to be done.
[00:41:35] Because isn't it like a moment of, like, Harry's either going to grab the cup or he's
[00:41:38] going to grab the sword and then it's like, boom.
[00:41:40] But, I mean, I guess there's other ways of destroying a Horcrux minus that sword and maybe they need to, like, start branching out.
[00:41:47] It is crazy how much of, like, not like an ultimatum, but like a black and white thing this was.
[00:41:54] Why did they, like, negotiate more with Griphook being like, hey, like, we'll give you the sword.
[00:41:59] But we need it for two minutes after we get out of the vault.
[00:42:04] We're going to destroy this thing.
[00:42:06] We're not going to tell you why, but we're going to destroy this cup.
[00:42:11] Although, it might be goblin made so Griphook might have a problem with that.
[00:42:14] I don't think it is because it's just a cup.
[00:42:16] But that's what I was saying before.
[00:42:17] Like, leave the sword at the cottage.
[00:42:20] Get the thing.
[00:42:21] Apparate back to the cottage.
[00:42:24] Smash it.
[00:42:25] And then just, like, immediately apparate away and be like, take the sword.
[00:42:28] We're going.
[00:42:29] And then, like, pick your new spot to go camping and be done.
[00:42:31] That's a really good idea, yeah.
[00:42:32] That's what I was like.
[00:42:33] You need to be in this book planning.
[00:42:35] And once again, they did not ask me.
[00:42:39] Idiots.
[00:42:39] Come on.
[00:42:40] But, yeah, like, there's other ways.
[00:42:42] Like, just go find a basilisk, you know?
[00:42:44] Yeah.
[00:42:44] Seriously.
[00:42:45] And the cup isn't going to be, like, around their neck, like, taunting them, I guess.
[00:42:51] Because those places do have protection around them, too.
[00:42:53] So it's like, why not just go back to the shell cottage real quick?
[00:42:57] Yeah.
[00:42:57] The Fidelius charm is over that one, so why not?
[00:43:00] They never talk about Dean, either.
[00:43:02] Dean has, like, one mention here.
[00:43:03] They just really swept him under the rug.
[00:43:06] You think he's dead?
[00:43:08] No, he's alive.
[00:43:09] Mm-hmm.
[00:43:10] Okay.
[00:43:11] You think he...
[00:43:14] I was just wondering if you're, uh, where your thoughts are with Dean.
[00:43:17] No, he's alive.
[00:43:18] He's just neglected.
[00:43:19] Mm-hmm.
[00:43:21] There's a lot of neglected people in this book.
[00:43:25] Um...
[00:43:26] What else do you think of this chapter?
[00:43:27] Anything?
[00:43:28] Any, uh, interesting notes in this one?
[00:43:30] The final hiding place?
[00:43:32] What else?
[00:43:33] Now everything...
[00:43:36] Everybody knows everything now.
[00:43:38] Everything's on the table, yeah.
[00:43:40] And everybody knows what other people know, too.
[00:43:43] Like, Harry knows what Ollivander knows and what Voldemort knows.
[00:43:47] And then now, Voldemort's about to go, like, check on all his horcruxes, which I'm assuming he can do pretty quickly.
[00:43:54] Like, I don't picture that taking more than, like, 24 hours.
[00:43:58] Yeah, for sure.
[00:43:59] But I was also hoping that Harry would do legilimency into Voldemort and then, like, try and find the last horcrux.
[00:44:12] He has.
[00:44:13] Because now he's actually been able to do occlumency.
[00:44:17] So I was like, maybe he can try the other side of that, but...
[00:44:21] Lizzie, this is this...
[00:44:22] You might have missed this line.
[00:44:24] But he knows.
[00:44:26] He must know.
[00:44:27] He must be sure.
[00:44:28] He paced the room, kicking aside the goblins' corpse as he passed.
[00:44:31] And the pictures blurred and burned in his boiling brain.
[00:44:35] The lake, the shack, and Hogwarts.
[00:44:39] As for the school, he alone knew where in Hogwarts he had stowed the horcrux.
[00:44:45] Because he alone had plumbed the deepest secrets of that place.
[00:44:48] And there was still Nagini, who must remain close now, no longer sent to do his bidding under his protection.
[00:44:55] So we know where it is.
[00:44:57] Okay, I did not miss that line.
[00:45:00] All right.
[00:45:01] I think it's because I've already known something was in Hogwarts.
[00:45:04] Yeah, for sure.
[00:45:04] Okay.
[00:45:05] But we don't know what it is.
[00:45:07] Yeah.
[00:45:09] Do you want to share?
[00:45:10] But it is hidden in the deep...
[00:45:12] Voldemort hid it in the place that he knew no one else would go.
[00:45:18] Is it like under the lake?
[00:45:20] Plumb the depths?
[00:45:22] Maybe.
[00:45:23] Slytherin common rooms under the lake?
[00:45:26] Yep.
[00:45:26] Is it like in the giant squid?
[00:45:29] That would actually be a great hiding spot.
[00:45:31] Horcrux.
[00:45:33] The squid could be a horcrux.
[00:45:34] The giant squid being a horcrux would be so good.
[00:45:37] It would be a great one.
[00:45:39] Are the merfolk guarding it?
[00:45:43] Sitting their treasure down there?
[00:45:46] I still like...
[00:45:48] I think something happens in the room of requirement.
[00:45:51] Yeah.
[00:45:52] I don't know what.
[00:45:53] You just have to sit and ponder it.
[00:45:55] I mean, you're going home and reading these, so you'll find out soon.
[00:45:59] My like 12 hour pondering period.
[00:46:01] Exactly.
[00:46:04] Um...
[00:46:05] This is a fun little chapter though.
[00:46:06] This is a short one, but it's like a nice little transitional chapter to the rest of it.
[00:46:12] Yeah.
[00:46:13] I mean, there's like the half of this entire page I have like highlighted and that's when
[00:46:17] he's like swinging a wand around.
[00:46:20] It's just like...
[00:46:22] That was also like not a great sentence.
[00:46:25] But he's like killing people.
[00:46:30] Yep.
[00:46:31] And like Bellatrix and Malfoy are like pulling people to just like escape and get out the door.
[00:46:39] And then he's just like standing with everybody dead just like, oh my gosh.
[00:46:44] Yeah.
[00:46:45] But yeah, I mean Voldemort's a sick...
[00:46:47] Yeah, my guy's out here slaughtering people.
[00:46:51] Yeah, it's wild.
[00:46:52] He's a little sick in the head.
[00:46:52] He's like worthless, nameless men.
[00:46:55] Like he's so pathetic with that.
[00:46:57] He doesn't care.
[00:46:59] Yep.
[00:46:59] He's awful.
[00:47:03] And then he doesn't tell Snape.
[00:47:05] Mm-hmm.
[00:47:06] So he's just like not...
[00:47:08] He's going to Hogwarts himself.
[00:47:10] Yeah.
[00:47:11] To like check on it, but he's not involving Snape at all.
[00:47:13] No, so that's another part that I think you were nailing too.
[00:47:17] And that everyone, like all the cards are on the table, but no one still knows about the Horcruxes.
[00:47:23] Snape's...
[00:47:24] Snape doesn't know.
[00:47:25] Voldemort's not telling anybody.
[00:47:28] And Harry and Ron and Hermione don't tell.
[00:47:31] Yeah.
[00:47:31] That's like part of the thing where they're like they know certain things now and all like everything's kind of in motion and all these pieces are kind of coming together.
[00:47:39] But they...
[00:47:39] No one knows about Horcruxes still.
[00:47:41] And they want to keep it that way.
[00:47:42] Because even like Bellatrix and Malfoy, it's like they're just...
[00:47:45] Yeah.
[00:47:45] They didn't do their job of like protecting whatever object.
[00:47:47] Yeah, just an object that Lord Voldemort told them to protect.
[00:47:49] That's it.
[00:47:50] That's why they were freaking out.
[00:47:54] That's wild.
[00:47:55] I know.
[00:47:55] There's potential...
[00:47:57] Some people conjecture about this a little bit, but some people say that Voldemort possibly told Bellatrix about how he made one Horcrux.
[00:48:06] And he just like told her the significance of this.
[00:48:11] And that's why Bellatrix was freaking out like crazy, but I don't think so.
[00:48:14] I think it was...
[00:48:15] Is that like the Nagini one?
[00:48:16] No, the thing in her vault.
[00:48:19] Oh.
[00:48:19] When he stood in his vault, in her vault, it could have been that he was like this is the object that has significant importance.
[00:48:25] And I think that's really the reason why.
[00:48:28] And she freaked out because she like lost, you know, something that the Dark Lord trusted her with.
[00:48:34] But...
[00:48:36] Some people say that she knew about one of them.
[00:48:39] But she probably only knew about one of them, if that's the case.
[00:48:42] But wouldn't that make you even more like of a weakness if you think...
[00:48:46] Or you have told someone that you only made one Horcrux?
[00:48:51] Mm-hmm.
[00:48:51] Because then if they kill that one, it's like...
[00:48:53] Yeah.
[00:48:54] Complete destruction.
[00:48:56] I don't think it's in the...
[00:48:56] Yeah, that's why I don't think he did that.
[00:48:59] Because I don't think it's even in the character of Voldemort to do that.
[00:49:01] I don't think he's a trusting person.
[00:49:03] So I don't think he's gonna like tell anybody about any of his Horcruxes because...
[00:49:07] Like even when he goes into the cave initially, he takes his house off with him.
[00:49:11] And he thinks the house off is gonna die.
[00:49:12] So he just leaves the house off there.
[00:49:13] Like he's just like disposing of people as he will to make these Horcruxes.
[00:49:17] And as soon as you kill one and he doesn't die, you know he made multiple.
[00:49:21] Yeah.
[00:49:22] So like...
[00:49:23] Yeah, even just telling people like you can't even...
[00:49:25] It's not something you can brag about.
[00:49:27] It's just like...
[00:49:28] Well, again, it's not even that...
[00:49:31] If you destroy the Horcruxes, it's not like Voldemort's just gonna, you know, cave in and die.
[00:49:35] He's just not gonna have any tethers left.
[00:49:37] So his...
[00:49:37] He will still exist.
[00:49:39] They have to destroy all of his Horcruxes and then they have to kill him.
[00:49:45] So if you kill one Horcrux, you think that's all he made and then you go kill Voldemort, he's still gonna come back?
[00:49:53] Yeah.
[00:49:53] He could still come back in some way.
[00:49:57] Yeah.
[00:49:57] Hmm.
[00:49:59] Interesting.
[00:50:01] It is interesting.
[00:50:04] We're in the thick of it now.
[00:50:05] You got some fun, exciting chapters coming up.
[00:50:07] I know.
[00:50:11] This is when it gets really good.
[00:50:14] I have a...
[00:50:17] Wait.
[00:50:19] I have a hot tamale and a...
[00:50:22] Let's go!
[00:50:23] A favorite moment.
[00:50:24] Okay.
[00:50:25] But I don't know what else I'm missing there.
[00:50:27] My hot tamale moment is Hermione calling herself the bad word and being like, that's just like how I am.
[00:50:37] And she was like, I don't know.
[00:50:39] Embrace that.
[00:50:39] Yeah.
[00:50:40] She just owned it and...
[00:50:44] I like that.
[00:50:45] Yeah.
[00:50:46] That's hot tamale energy.
[00:50:47] Yeah.
[00:50:47] It was so cool to me.
[00:50:49] Yeah.
[00:50:49] And she's not very like a passionate person all the time.
[00:50:54] Yeah.
[00:50:55] Like a personality like that.
[00:50:57] So that was cool for her to just be like, come on, grip hug.
[00:51:01] Whatever.
[00:51:03] And then my favorite moment is Lupin asking Harry to be the godfather.
[00:51:09] Yeah.
[00:51:09] That was a great one.
[00:51:10] Such a good moment.
[00:51:12] And then also at the end of that chapter, he's like, I wonder if I'm going to be any better
[00:51:15] than Sirius was for me or something like that.
[00:51:18] It's not on the greatest trajectory right now because it's pretty reckless, pretty daring,
[00:51:23] but he's got a little bit more responsibility.
[00:51:25] But like all of the marauders were like that anyways.
[00:51:26] I'm sure they loved that.
[00:51:28] Yeah.
[00:51:29] Agreed.
[00:51:29] Hopefully he survives.
[00:51:31] Good.
[00:51:32] I like that.
[00:51:32] I like those moments.
[00:51:35] Well, thanks for joining us on our journey of Harry Potter and a second time reader.
[00:51:38] See ya.
[00:51:39] Bye.
[00:51:40] Bye.
[00:51:40] Bye.