Chapter 22 - The Deathly Hallows
- “Then she’ll be in Azkaban, I expect,” said Ron. “Whether she survives the place, though . . . Loads don’t. . . .” “She will,” said Harry. He could not bear to contemplate the alternative. “She’s tough, Luna, much tougher than you’d think. She’s probably teaching all the inmates about Wrackspurts and Nargles.”
Q1 - Who could survive Azkaban the best out of everyone we’ve met?
- “Yes . . . and that’s all very interesting,” said Hermione cautiously, “but Harry, if you’re thinking what I think you’re think —” “Well, why not? Why not?” said Harry, abandoning caution. “It was a stone, wasn’t it?” He looked at Ron for support. “What if it was the Resurrection Stone?” Ron’s mouth fell open. “Blimey — but would it still work if Dumbledore broke — ?”
Q2 - Do you think that the stone is the ring?
- And he saw himself, possessor of the Hallows, facing Voldemort, whose Horcruxes were no match . . . Neither can live while the other survives. . . . Was this the answer? Hallows versus Horcruxes? Was there a way, after all, to ensure that he was the one who triumphed? If he were the master of the Deathly Hallows, would he be safe?
Q3 - What do you think of Harry’s questions here?
- He turned his back on their strained, incredulous faces. He knew it was the truth. It all made sense. Voldemort was not seeking a new wand; he was seeking an old wand, a very old wand indeed. Harry walked to the entrance of the tent, forgetting about Ron and Hermione as he looked out into the night, thinking. . . .
- “Harry, this isn’t a game, this isn’t practice! This is the real thing, and Dumbledore left you very clear instructions: Find and destroy the Horcruxes! That symbol doesn’t mean anything, forget the Deathly Hallows, we can’t afford to get sidetracked —”
Q4 - What did Dumbledore want?
- “But before we hear from Royal and Romulus,” Lee went on, “let’s take a moment to report those deaths that the Wizarding Wireless Network News and Daily Prophet don’t think important enough to mention. It is with great regret that we inform our listeners of the murders of Ted Tonks and Dirk Cresswell.”
- “I’d tell him we’re all with him in spirit,” said Lupin, then hesitated slightly. “And I’d tell him to follow his instincts, which are good and nearly always right.”
Q5 - Are Harry’s instincts always right?
- “And the rumors that he keeps being sighted abroad?” asked Lee. “Well, who wouldn’t want a nice little holiday after all the hard work he’s been putting in?” asked Fred. “Point is, people, don’t get lulled into a false sense of security, thinking he’s out of the country. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t, but the fact remains he can move faster than Severus Snape confronted with shampoo when he wants to, so don’t count on him being a long way away if you’re planning on taking any risks. I never thought I’d hear myself say it, but safety first!”
Chapter 23 - Malfoy Manor
Q1 - How unfortunate is the end of the last chapter and this one?
- “Like ’ell you are,” said the man called Scabior. “We know Stan Shunpike, ’e’s put a bit of work our way.”
Q2 - Is Stan actually bad?
- The emaciated figure stirred beneath its thin blanket and rolled over toward him, eyes opening in a skull of a face. . . . The frail man sat up, great sunken eyes fixed upon him, upon Voldemort, and then he smiled. Most of his teeth were gone. . . . “So, you have come. I thought you would . . . one day. But your journey was pointless. I never had it.” “You lie!”
Q3 - What does he mean that he never had it?
Q4 - Why doesn’t Draco identify them here?
- She stopped struggling, her dark eyes fixed upon something Harry could not see. Jubilant at her capitulation, Lucius threw her hand from him and ripped up his own sleeve — “STOP!” shrieked Bellatrix. “Do not touch it, we shall all perish if the Dark Lord comes now!”
Q5 - Why is Bella so freaked out?
- Hermione’s screams echoed off the walls upstairs, Ron was half sobbing as he pounded the walls with his fists, and Harry in utter desperation seized Hagrid’s pouch from around his neck and groped inside it: He pulled out Dumbledore’s Snitch and shook it, hoping for he did not know what — nothing happened — he waved the broken halves of the phoenix wand, but they were lifeless — the mirror fragment fell sparkling to the floor, and he saw a gleam of brightest blue — Dumbledore’s eye was gazing at him out of the mirror. “Help us!” he yelled at it in mad desperation. “We’re in the cellar of Malfoy Manor, help us!” The eye blinked and was gone.
Q6 - What was going on there?
- “Kill me, then, Voldemort, I welcome death! But my death will not bring you what you seek. . . . There is so much you do not understand. . . .”
Q7 - What does Voldemort not understand?
- Harry could barely breathe. “You’re going to kill me?” Harry choked, attempting to prise off the metal fingers. “After I saved your life? You owe me, Wormtail!” The silver fingers slackened. Harry had not expected it: He wrenched himself free, astonished, keeping his hand over Wormtail’s mouth. He saw the ratlike man’s small watery eyes widen with fear and surprise: He seemed just as shocked as Harry at what his hand had done, at the tiny, merciful impulse it had betrayed, and he continued to struggle more powerfully, as though to undo that moment of weakness. “And we’ll have that,” whispered Ron, tugging Wormtail’s wand from his other hand. Wandless, helpless, Pettigrew’s pupils dilated in terror. His eyes had slid from Harry’s face to something else. His own silver fingers were moving inexorably toward his own throat. “No —” Without pausing to think, Harry tried to drag back the hand, but there was no stopping it. The silver tool that Voldemort had given his most cowardly servant had turned upon its disarmed and useless owner; Pettigrew was reaping his reward for his hesitation, his moment of pity; he was being strangled before their eyes.
Q8 - Poetic justice here? What do you think about Harry trying to save Pettigrew?
- At the last word there was a peculiar grinding noise from above. All of them looked upward in time to see the crystal chandelier tremble; then, with a creak and an ominous jingling, it began to fall. Bellatrix was directly beneath it; dropping Hermione, she threw herself aside with a scream. The chandelier crashed to the floor in an explosion of crystal and chains, falling on top of Hermione and the goblin, who still clutched the sword of Gryffindor. Glittering shards of crystal flew in all directions: Draco doubled over, his hands covering his bloody face. As Ron ran to pull Hermione out of the wreckage, Harry took his chance: He leapt over an armchair and wrested the three wands from Draco’s grip, pointed all of them at Greyback, and yelled, “Stupefy!” The werewolf was lifted off his feet by the triple spell, flew up to the ceiling, and then smashed to the ground.
Q9 - Does triple wand power work greater?
- The tiny elf trotted into the room, his shaking finger pointing at his old mistress. “You must not hurt Harry Potter,” he squeaked. “Kill him, Cissy!” shrieked Bellatrix, but there was another loud crack, and Narcissa’s wand too flew into the air and landed on the other side of the room. “You dirty little monkey!” bawled Bellatrix. “How dare you take a witch’s wand, how dare you defy your masters?” “Dobby has no master!” squealed the elf. “Dobby is a free elf, and Dobby has come to save Harry Potter and his friends!”
- “Dobby, no, don’t die, don’t die —” The elf’s eyes found him, and his lips trembled with the effort to form words. “Harry . . . Potter . . .” And then with a little shudder the elf became quite still, and his eyes were nothing more than great glassy orbs, sprinkled with light from the stars they could not see.
Q10 - Raise a glass to Dobby
[00:00:00] I forget the right way and the wrong way to say Niggini or Nagini.
[00:00:06] Because I know I'm supposed to change what I used to say,
[00:00:10] but now I don't know what I used to say.
[00:00:12] So which is the right one?
[00:00:14] Nagini.
[00:00:15] Nagini, yeah.
[00:00:16] Nagini.
[00:00:16] Nagini.
[00:00:17] Nagini.
[00:00:18] Nagini.
[00:00:19] I'm actually teaching you.
[00:00:20] I know.
[00:00:21] It's great.
[00:00:22] It's great.
[00:00:23] All right, Nagini.
[00:00:24] Yeah, it is Nagini.
[00:00:25] What about him?
[00:00:26] That's the hard G. snake, so I just automatically think. Wait, what? Are you making that up? Oh no, that's how he survived as a baby. He said he took over snake spot. Yeah, it was a possession. Like in the past, like yeah, I possessed it. No, yeah, you're pretty much it. But you're saying like transform into a snake. But yeah, he probably could.
[00:01:40] But that's what I don't understand.
[00:01:41] He does all his other stuff,
[00:01:42] but he can transform into a snake.
[00:01:46] So basic.
[00:01:47] Yeah.
[00:01:48] But no, but this is just a glimpse into the turmoil I experience all the time.
[00:03:00] You know what I mean?
[00:03:01] You're about to go to bed, you're just on the toilet,
[00:03:03] you're waking up in the morning,
[00:03:04] just thinking it's Voldemort of Snake,
[00:03:06] is Nagini only snake in his life? It's but the beaten path is get to they were going to move it, but then they didn't because they couldn't. Wow, you remembered everything. I'm dreaming of this, John. We're already playing the trip of Scotland. I'm moving nowhere going yet. That's why I need Kristen here. Yeah. Two of you nerding out. No, she didn't necessarily know where it was.
[00:04:20] So this location is shell cottage.
[00:04:25] It might sound like underwhelming but we got to buy some movie. Oh my goodness. I have the perfect rock to bring to. I don't know why I'm the perfect rock to bring. It's the rock on my dresser. Have you ever seen it? I know I
[00:05:41] have a lot of rocks. It's called the British sounding thing I've ever heard. Oh, also I haven't taken a sip yet because we were waiting. Yes, we have sake, sake. Get it. Sock for Dobby. Thanks, Ryan. So we will raise our glasses. Thank you, Ryan.
[00:07:00] Raise our glasses to Dobby.
[00:07:02] For Dobby.
[00:07:03] Hmm. That was the most torn up that I've seen you during the live read. Oh yeah. I know I didn't. That was a, cause it comes from out of nowhere. And it's so sad. They're so tragic. They're gone. They made it out. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, what the? Yeah, that was a. Yes, wait, we didn't react to Dumbledore or Sirius. No. Dumbledore maybe a little bit serious.
[00:08:20] Definitely.
[00:08:21] Definitely.
[00:08:22] But that was more like somber because yeah, it just, I don't know.
[00:08:26] We knew it was like redeemed.
[00:09:41] Yes.
[00:09:42] It was like cute annoying.
[00:09:43] Like he was going at the beginning,
[00:09:44] and you're like, oh, he's kind of like growing on me.
[00:09:46] He's kind of cute now.
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[00:12:22] it because usually in those mugs, there honestly, a few weeks pass. And Harry's still obsessed with this. He's mad at the other two for thinking that horcruxes are more important.
[00:13:42] And then all of a sudden Ron plugs in the radio.
[00:13:45] Gets the radio running.
[00:13:46] You get Potter watch. really well in Askeban. But out of everyone that we've seen in the entire book so far, who do you think would have the best? Who would last the longest in Askeban? Weirdly enough, now you're saying Luna, that she's pretty high up there.
[00:15:01] Yeah.
[00:15:02] Because I feel like she's comfortable being by herself.
[00:15:05] She's not scared of things without reason. It has had a bit of a tough life too. So she wouldn't be a prime, like, I don't know, person for a dementor really? Yeah. But that's the only part that I'm wondering, is she good with a patronus? You know, like, how comfortable would she be? She doesn't ever want, she couldn't do it anyway, so you just have to grit your teeth and bear it, I suppose.
[00:16:23] And that's the dementor element,
[00:16:26] is the only part I don't break it. You know, making them not dementors anymore. They're like, give them all names. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's what I'm saying, she'd be friends then. Yeah. And I guess, yeah, like she's kind of living in her own world. It's hard to picture any of the other kids being good in Azkaban. I feel like Harry. I'm trying to think of other characters in general.
[00:17:40] I was thinking Ginny,
[00:17:41] and then of course, because she's tough.
[00:17:44] And then I thought Hermione,
[00:17:46] because she's smart, and maybe she could add wit, Another way. I thought about that, yeah. And then I'm just curious how self would do there in general. Ooh, yeah. Any of the magical creatures, I feel like it would be okay. But I'm just thinking of the humans. Yeah, I just, I don't know. I feel like all the weasleys would have trouble because they have so many happy memories. They don't even realize it.
[00:19:00] Compared to someone like Harry or Neville or Luna.
[00:19:03] And Harry and Neville and Luna,
[00:19:04] like those people,
[00:19:05] I think they have maybe more hope than happy memories. a stone, wasn't it? He looked that Ron for support. What if it was the resurrection stone? Ron's mouth fell open. Blimey, would it still work if Dumbledore broke? So that's when he cuts off and they're thinking that the resurrection stone is one of the Hallows like unknowingly? So let's say it was the ring. Wouldn't there be a like, what would the significance be of Dumbledore putting this ring on and it simultaneously being a Horcrux and a Hallow?
[00:21:41] Like would they cancel each other out?
[00:21:43] Or like even what Jen's saying would one like,
[00:21:45] would it reverse the thing? It's a certain type of magic that he couldn't seem to stop though. Yeah. And he needs Snape's help. And it's dark magic. So that's why it all kind of adds up to me. Yeah, no, you're right. It does add up that there's another layer we don't understand to it. And it being a Horcrux and that stone, the resurrection stone.
[00:23:02] It is kind of complicated, which I'm not sure I fully believe, but...
[00:24:03] I broke the Horcrux or like was it just show something else? It's a great power.
[00:24:05] Great question.
[00:24:06] Why did Dumbledore put the ring on in the first place?
[00:24:08] Was he wearing it when he died?
[00:24:10] Yeah, I thought so.
[00:24:12] I'm just curious about the whole thing because then if it was the resurrection stone, well,
[00:24:19] he died.
[00:24:20] So it must not have been working or like was there some power left in it?
[00:24:24] Yeah, but I feel like if you're, oh, it's like if you possess Dumbledore I think does have blue eyes. I know and is it possible Dumbledore is alive somewhere? I always say yes. I mean yeah I like I think yes it's possible in the same way that Voldemort was alive in the journal or how we know for a fact Dumbledore has a painting.
[00:26:44] This the answer, Hallows vs. Horcruxes. Was there a way after all to ensure that he was the one who triumphed?
[00:26:48] If he were the master of the Deathly Hallows, would he be safe?
[00:26:53] So a bunch of questions than that.
[00:26:55] But are Horcruxes no match for Hallows?
[00:26:59] I feel like they're similar to some of them.
[00:27:05] Similar?
[00:27:06] Like the Resurrection Stone. But if you had the wand, that's why I'm saying like all three of them. Like I think the most similar would be the resurrection stone with the Horcrux. And well, that's the thing then, like we had been wondering, could the wand kill someone and all of their Horcruxes because it's a it can't lose.
[00:28:21] So it has an ultimate win.
[00:28:22] I hope so.
[00:28:23] That would be great.
[00:28:24] Because isn't it kind of losing if you don't defeat the other person? Also, when you're going after those Horcruxes, it's not just getting the item. It's like this whole booby trap to get the item. So it's like you could kill yourself getting it whereas the hallows, I feel like you'd have better shot of surviving. And we're just starting to get the idea that Dumbledore has paved the path to the hallows,
[00:29:41] but maybe not the Horcruxes.
[00:29:42] But he didn't say anything.
[00:29:43] That's so annoying.
[00:29:44] He didn't really, but he did give them the symbol in the book. place and make sense. So the question right now that you're getting, which I think is the same one, that's why like, it's just brutal because yeah, at this point, I think he gave him a little bit more about Horcrux information. Yeah. But maybe this chapter is the tipping point a little bit for like, okay.
[00:31:02] Maybe starting to make a little bit more sense
[00:31:04] to go off for the hallows rather than the Horcruxes
[00:31:06] because there is a lot of this stuff is making sense.
[00:32:21] Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
[00:32:22] These things are falling into place. She read it over and over and over and over. Yeah, but it didn't even affect her. You know what's so weird? The invisibility cloak here is exactly like the one we use all the time. Now maybe, again, maybe they just thought invisibility cloaks were more normal because they're so used to it. They're desensitized to its like awesomeness if it's the one.
[00:33:43] But I still feel like it warranted a mention. They're like, look, we have no clues from Dumbledore.
[00:33:45] There's something in this book,
[00:33:46] let's just read through the whole thing.
[00:33:48] Do any of these stories have meaning? the forest for the trees. And not exactly. Yeah, that is, yeah, it's a fair point. But I think in these chapters, they got the best piece of information, which I'd say it's vague enough, but solid enough that Bellatrix is nervous about something else in the same vault as the sword.
[00:35:04] And that could be one of the Hallows or a Horcrux. and you just want to go for it. Fran is coming up without rages things. He's like, upper-flagely. Maybe Voldemort wanted to live in that wizarding community. Let's go check it out. Let's go focus on those things like shot up. It's not there. Ron, goodness. But, I mean, we'll talk about this in the next chapter, but we potentially got another dump
[00:36:20] of where a Horcrux might be.
[00:36:21] So, I mean, a big question I think even in the next
[00:36:25] is going to be, what does Harry actually do?
[00:36:27] Does he follow the Horcrux path? seems to change things a little bit. And that symbol doesn't mean anything. Forget the Valley Deathly Hallows, we can't afford to get sidetracked. So again, the question that hits you in this chapter is what did Dumbledore really want? What did he want them to do? That's so hard. I know.
[00:37:41] I don't even know.
[00:37:44] But someone said it in the radio too, that he would fall.
[00:37:45] He has really good instincts, Harry, anything or like, that's why I was like wondering, regardless of what he, it's like the power, it's like so deep in Harry's like DNA or whatever that he is getting help from constant outside
[00:39:00] sources with magic. I don't know. That's not even making sense, maybe, but no, no, you but it also hasn't ended in death. So it's this weird thing of the prophecy not being fulfilled until a bigger moment and actually come to think that the bigger moment could involve a close because then it could open at the close and then Harry gets the reveal of whatever is inside the snitch
[00:40:21] and how does that play into things?
[00:40:23] So it's all, let's say, like-
[00:40:25] Oh, like Harry dies, more about the love, but you're saying even ancient magic, because I forget how it was worth it, but Voldemort doesn't really understand it. This would be very ancient, I would think. Yeah, yeah, it would have to be pretty ancient. But not so ancient that you can't trace the line,
[00:41:41] kind of.
[00:41:42] But I also feel like you have like,
[00:41:46] Voldemort wouldn't believe maybe this stuff would he? I already forgot his name. I cannot. I'm saying, Gruborba had a Grindelwald school list. Yes, but then with this whole battle between Dumbledore. Dumbledore got it. Yeah, but secretly got it. It's like no one knows that he when they're sleeping and stuff, but then does it become yours? And then who does Harry have to defeat to get the wand? And how is he gonna defeat them if it can't lose? He's gotta steal it or do something sneaky. And let's imagine Dumbledore was smart enough
[00:44:21] to plan this all out.
[00:44:22] How does he plan for Harry to get this wand?
[00:44:28] That's the part I don't understand dies of natural causes and it was Ariana. And then someone could come along to her grave and grab it. So then when Grindelwald steals it, he had a little romance with her. And it was like we had speculated about that before. Then they somehow she can get it. But then if she dies as the owner, Grindelwald, Dumbledore, they agree not to mess with it. And he's trying
[00:45:43] to guide Harry on a path to her or something, maybe he didn't really kill him. And then he is on Voldemort's side. He wants his resurrection stone to work on that. That's so bad. So, wait, so when did, maybe the question is,
[00:47:01] can you hand someone the Elder Wand?
[00:47:04] Can they just take it?
[00:47:06] How would Snape have been the floner of the wand in that moment. Then Voldemort goes upstairs, attacks Harry, but not with the
[00:48:20] right wand, not with the undefeatable wand. Harry defeats Voldemort, becomes the rightful owner of it maybe most similarly to the ring of power and how it passes down from person to person. Potentially it might have a mind of its own and wants to be passed down to a stronger witch or wizard. There is a possibility like that. Maybe it seems like that at this point. But also maybe not like that at all.
[00:49:43] There's also a possibility where it just pledges Like, with this thought process about the wand, the elder wand, it feels like that's not true power. Two friends ahead of time are ranging that one's going to like, you know, wave a white flag to the other one. That doesn't show more power from one wizard.
[00:51:01] Unless the wand is that like intelligent that it could just feel the power from Dumbledore.
[00:51:05] But then, I don't think important enough to mention. It is with great regret that we inform our listeners of the murders of Ted Tonks and Dirk Creswell. And then Lupin says this on air, where he says, I tell him we were all with him in spirit.
[00:52:21] So Lupin then hesitated slightly.
[00:52:25] And I tell him Dobby would have done it exactly the same way knowing how it was going to end. He knew. Because it's the greater good. And so, yeah. I guess I could get behind that a little bit.
[00:53:41] That's why I keep A great casual game. I have a shampoo thing. It's fast as Snape and run away from a bottle of shampoo. Yep. Is it all time, good line? His hair is disgusting. Yeah, it's nasty. He doesn't have time to watch. He doesn't have time.
[00:55:01] Yeah.
[00:55:02] I just imagine there's a spell that makes it easy, but I don't know.
[00:55:05] His potions guy.
[00:55:06] Come on.
[00:55:07] It's crazy to go that feels like he's giving Harry a hint at the Dumbledore like moral support,
[00:56:22] which is whatever happened in the mirror, the eye.
[00:56:27] The help, when to think of it. You have to be careful with your buzzwords too though, because then if they're ever close to something, like let's say the name of a town while they're looking for like a Horcrux, I'd be like, do not say the name of that town because Voldemort could have his ears, you
[00:57:40] know, peaked by the spoken word of something.
[00:57:44] If you speak the name of some cave or some town or some like weird thing connected to
[00:57:47] one of his fiendish things. dark mark. And then all of a sudden she doesn't and freaks out because she sees the sword and then she puts them into the dungeon, tortures them. Dobby shows up because Harry looks into the mirror and sees something there. Dobby shows up, rescues Dean, Aleventer, and Luna, then Harry and Ron,
[00:59:02] Wormtail ends up, you know, killing himself because of pointless. I never had it. You lie. So a question. What are they talking about? Did he really have it or is he lying? True. We didn't get actual clarity. Yeah.
[01:00:20] For sure.
[01:00:20] I'm what this is.
[01:00:21] We just jumped to conclusions so quickly.
[01:00:24] I think it's the one.
[01:01:29] And then the last clue that Voldemort saw was Grindelwald jumping out of the window at Gregoravitch's shop with something in his hands. So, I mean, that is, it feels like a pretty straightforward idea.
[01:01:37] And like you said, Polyjuice could be a solution, whenever Voldemort's going around. He doesn't seem scared of him. True. Who's telling the truth here? Is he lying or is he telling the truth about he never owned it? And then again, the question that you come up with is who actually owns it?
[01:03:02] No one owns it.
[01:03:04] It just keeps getting passed down.
[01:03:06] Well, yeah, no one owns it.
[01:03:07] But who is the?
[01:03:08] No. not him. A few quick things in the previous chapter. Oh, okay. But one of them leads to that. Oh, maybe I'll do it in reverse. All right, I'll start with Hagrid being on the run after a support Harry Potter party, which I thought was cute. And I'm glad he's on the run. Curious where he's going and if Eminem's with him.
[01:04:22] I'm in half. I'm in half.
[01:04:22] That's his nickname.
[01:04:23] Then, yeah, my damn Maxime.
[01:04:26] Oh, wait, I the shape of a skull. I thought what if it is the resurrection stone? It would make sense of a stone about life and death is in the shape of a skull. But that'd be a bad sign because it means Voldemort has or is close to having that. So then this could be a different path than we think. It's not Grindelwald. It's not the wand. This is his quest for the name. Okay, guys. But you didn't even know that that's where Voldemort is though. Well, that's where Grindelwald is. And that's where Grindelwald is. And that's where we think he's going. So this skull is probably the prison that Grindelwald is in. So yeah, yeah. He would design it like a skull. Let's class it, Grindelwald. Good.
[01:07:00] Classic.
[01:07:00] From everything we know, Grindelwald,
[01:07:01] you definitely do it like it.
[01:07:02] Okay, so shape of a skull could be his prison, sure.
[01:08:09] Yeah, I love this side. Well not love. Yeah, that's tolerable. Yeah, it's an improvement from his hideous path Well, I think it's like they're finally realizing there are consequences to their to things
[01:08:15] Yeah, and they are not in good favor with Voldemort. Obviously it came up very clear
[01:08:22] So I feel like they're a second they're
[01:09:22] What I'm saying is that they could hide behind, well I guess who wants to hide for your whole life?
[01:09:24] Yeah, yeah exactly.
[01:09:26] Because she's the one that's pushing them to do stuff always.
[01:09:29] Yeah, yeah true.
[01:09:30] But with the year of Voldemort at the center of it.
[01:09:35] And they're just too scared to do anything different to act.
[01:09:39] But it gets back to the question you've been asking
[01:09:41] this whole time, why does anyone follow Voldemort?
[01:09:46] I don't know, Does he even care? He doesn't care about anyone else. So it's like, why are you fighting his battles? Yeah. Yep.
[01:11:01] Great question.
[01:11:03] I'm happy I answer.
[01:11:05] But I do feel like,
[01:12:02] but I'm still trying to keep that in mind of like all the bad from the past.
[01:12:04] It's like, all right, he's still, it's a small step.
[01:12:07] But I think it's interesting, he's living in his own.
[01:12:11] Yep, he's experiencing the consequences of his actions.
[01:12:15] They all are.
[01:12:16] Yeah. Every day.
[01:12:18] And then he might have been like,
[01:12:20] why did I do regret?
[01:12:21] And I hope he does regret it, he should for every reason.
[01:12:25] He should have taken Dumbledore's side
[01:12:26] and been like, yeah, It's same kind of thing where I'm like, Malfoy could be redeemed.
[01:13:40] For example, if Harry was going to be killed and it wasn't Dobby who jumped in the way
[01:13:43] and it was Malfoy, then I would say, wow, he, he's not free. That is movie, that's not canon. Yes, exactly. So that's why in the movie, picturing him, it's a little different. But in the book, I'm trying to think, what did he do? A lot of things we don't like. Trying to get Dumbledore kicked out of being headmaster in one of the earlier books. He tried to get,
[01:15:00] well, just because they're so great.
[01:15:01] Haggard and Harrison.
[01:15:05] To protect this snake monster, baby. and ripped open his own sleeve. Stop, Shriek Bellshriek. Do not touch it. We shall all perish if the Dark Lord comes now. And she freaks out right there at that moment. Why would they all perish if the Dark Lord comes at that moment?
[01:16:24] Because she saw the sort of Gryffindor right there, right?
[01:16:24] Yeah.
[01:16:25] So they would all perish.
[01:16:28] It might be an exaggeration. it when in the original read. What? Like just the how scared Bellatrix was. And then in the end after the chapter, what looking back, what was it that made you think she was so scared? Like what was the, why do you think she was so scared of everything of Voldemort coming in this moment? I think I'm processing it like that.
[01:17:41] The sword makes the most sense, probably.
[01:17:44] Mm hmm.
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