Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Ch 17-20

[00:00:00] I open up the clothes.

[00:00:02] You're actually gonna be odd about that. Now you have the new question, which is, what's the dough?

[00:00:10] I think it's his mom because his dad and him are the male deer.

[00:00:16] I hate to break it to you, but his mom's dead.

[00:00:20] I hate to break it to you, but there's magic everywhere.

[00:00:23] Have you ever seen a dead person's Patronus?

[00:00:26] Uh, no. Is that an issue?

[00:00:30] Yeah, because you've never seen a dead person's Patronus.

[00:00:33] Someone has to go first.

[00:00:35] So, I don't believe it.

[00:00:37] Is it the first dead person's Patronus that's ever been cast?

[00:00:39] Because it's like, oh, the eyelashes of the dough, and it's like so nice and cute.

[00:00:45] And that just makes sense that it would be like the female and the male deer.

[00:00:49] Especially if Lupin and Tonks is Patronus' match now.

[00:00:54] All right, well, we'll talk about that.

[00:00:55] Maybe once you get married, your Patronuses become the same.

[00:00:58] Ooh.

[00:01:00] But that's not really the same.

[00:01:01] Would they become the male and female versions of each other?

[00:01:03] Yeah.

[00:01:05] So, Tonks is the she-wolf?

[00:01:07] A she-wolf?

[00:01:08] I guess so.

[00:01:10] All right, well, we'll save that for later.

[00:01:12] But welcome to the podcast.

[00:01:13] I'm John.

[00:01:13] I'm Lizzie.

[00:01:14] And this is Harry Potter and the first time readers.

[00:01:28] Second time.

[00:01:29] I'll get that by the end of this.

[00:01:31] And then when we get that, we'll start on first time readers again, the fellowship

[00:01:35] with the first time readers.

[00:01:36] So that's not really any good.

[00:01:40] But fill the secret.

[00:01:43] Ugh.

[00:01:44] Isn't that a crazy chapter?

[00:01:45] This is like the most wild chapter so far, I think.

[00:01:49] Right?

[00:01:49] It's one of the most disturbing.

[00:01:50] It's like very horror-ish.

[00:01:51] Yeah.

[00:01:52] I literally had to step away for a moment.

[00:01:54] I like closed the book.

[00:01:56] I was outside.

[00:01:56] I was like, I need to just take a moment and like touch grass, like ground myself and

[00:02:05] come back this snake sticking out of her neck.

[00:02:08] Like how did it get in her?

[00:02:11] Right?

[00:02:11] Like, ugh.

[00:02:13] And then when did she die?

[00:02:14] What's the timeline?

[00:02:16] I just needed a minute to-

[00:02:18] It is a gross part.

[00:02:20] And Hermione mentions that like, oh, Dumbledore said we'd see magic we've never seen before,

[00:02:25] but it still does not prepare you for that.

[00:02:27] That is the sickest, weirdest stuff I've ever seen.

[00:02:30] I was like, this is not Bathilda from the moment that she arrived.

[00:02:34] And I was like, why are you guys following her into the house?

[00:02:36] Like that was so dumb.

[00:02:38] I hated that.

[00:02:39] It was pretty spooky too.

[00:02:40] Like the lady just standing in the middle of the street, her cloak on and the dark.

[00:02:45] It's so creepy.

[00:02:46] It's like, uh-oh.

[00:02:47] This is like legitimately like a horror chapter.

[00:02:49] It is the one chapter, I mean not the one, but there's like a few really creepy ones.

[00:02:52] But this is the chapter that it takes a gross turn.

[00:02:56] Yeah.

[00:02:56] I'm sure it was probably pretty nasty writing this one.

[00:02:58] Yeah.

[00:02:58] And it's nice and like slow and suspenseful too, which I think is like more of the horror-

[00:03:03] It's agony.

[00:03:04] ... situation.

[00:03:06] Ugh!

[00:03:06] I was like, ugh, it was crazy.

[00:03:09] I read this this morning and then I just thought about it like all day.

[00:03:13] I was like scrambling eggs and I was like, snake in a person?

[00:03:16] How did they think it was her?

[00:03:18] That was my whole internal monologue all day.

[00:03:21] It was like this chapter.

[00:03:23] It was wild.

[00:03:24] Yeah.

[00:03:24] Well, they, I mean, they explained it, but it's like, how did they still not realize

[00:03:28] this?

[00:03:28] I guess she was disguised well enough.

[00:03:30] And she didn't-

[00:03:30] She didn't have like the aura of the horcrux though.

[00:03:33] Yeah, I know.

[00:03:33] Which is what I was saying cause like that's a snake.

[00:03:35] Mm-hmm.

[00:03:36] So that was cool.

[00:03:37] Mm-hmm.

[00:03:37] But yeah, like when did she die?

[00:03:41] Is she dead?

[00:03:42] I think one time a long, a few podcasts ago or maybe off podcast or something.

[00:03:47] We were talking about what they're gonna see in Godric's Hollow and I think you said Nagini

[00:03:50] is gonna show up.

[00:03:51] Really?

[00:03:52] And that made me laugh.

[00:03:53] That's awesome.

[00:03:53] Internally I laughed.

[00:03:56] Internally I chuckled.

[00:03:58] I think you said something like that.

[00:03:59] I don't know.

[00:04:00] I gotta find it.

[00:04:01] That's so funny.

[00:04:03] But this chapter does open up and it talks about the monument to the potters.

[00:04:07] What do you think about the whole, not the whole, the backshot, but Godric's Hollow,

[00:04:11] the monument, like everything they saw there before we get to the fill the backshot?

[00:04:17] Like in the town and like the graveyard?

[00:04:21] Yeah.

[00:04:21] I think it was like unexpected to me.

[00:04:24] I expected the house to be there in shambles with the hole in the wall.

[00:04:29] Mm-hmm.

[00:04:29] Like I called that too.

[00:04:30] And then I look at him just eating up the breeze.

[00:04:37] Um, but yeah, because outside of Hogwarts, I feel like we still don't interact with that

[00:04:44] many people that hold Harry Potter in such high esteem.

[00:04:48] That happens in the beginning of the book a lot.

[00:04:50] Yeah.

[00:04:50] But that hasn't happened in a long time.

[00:04:52] So then for there to be like a statue and all these little notes of like, you can do it,

[00:04:58] like go destroy Voldemort.

[00:05:00] I just love that.

[00:05:01] I thought that was really cool.

[00:05:02] And that was good for Harry to see that too.

[00:05:04] Yeah.

[00:05:05] He needed that.

[00:05:06] Yeah.

[00:05:06] It is cool to see like, not that he's memorialized it, that he has people support from like past

[00:05:12] few years.

[00:05:13] That's really cool.

[00:05:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:05:15] Um, but yeah, it's like a sharp contrast from that.

[00:05:20] And then you get into this really creepy lady who's kind of like leading them on.

[00:05:26] Yeah.

[00:05:26] The whole thing was just gross.

[00:05:28] Um.

[00:05:29] I didn't think it was like gross.

[00:05:31] Really?

[00:05:31] Yeah.

[00:05:32] That's just creepy.

[00:05:33] I mean, if you're a snake inhabiting the skin of someone else.

[00:05:41] Yeah.

[00:05:42] That's pretty gross.

[00:05:44] I want to see this in the movie so badly.

[00:05:47] The movie does a decent job of portraying it, but it's like, uh, it's a little different.

[00:05:53] I mean, it still has the creepiness value to it, but yeah, it's weird.

[00:05:59] And then through this whole thing, Harry's like having all these visions and stuff like

[00:06:02] that.

[00:06:04] And then, uh, right before this, he's looking at the book and then it says the dust vanished

[00:06:08] from the photograph.

[00:06:09] And he saw at once that half a dozen were missing from the largest and most ornate frames.

[00:06:14] He wondered whether, whether Bathilda or somebody else had removed them.

[00:06:17] Then the sight of the photograph near the back of the collection caught his eye and he snatched

[00:06:21] it up.

[00:06:21] It was a golden haired, merry-faced thief.

[00:06:24] The young man who had perched on Gregorovich's windowsill smiling lazily up at Harry out of

[00:06:29] the silver frame.

[00:06:30] And it came to Harry instantly where they had seen the boy before and the life and lives

[00:06:33] of Albus Dumbledore arm in arm with the teenage Dumbledore.

[00:06:36] And that must be where all the photographs were in Rita's book.

[00:06:40] Who's this person?

[00:06:43] Grindelwald.

[00:06:44] You're positive it's Grindelwald?

[00:06:45] Well, that's what they say later.

[00:06:47] Okay.

[00:06:47] I was going to say, I don't know if you had gotten there yet.

[00:06:49] I don't think I even guessed him.

[00:06:52] Really?

[00:06:52] Yeah.

[00:06:53] Cause I went through, I said, Zeno, Dumbledore.

[00:06:57] Zeno was a great guess to be honest.

[00:06:58] Yeah.

[00:06:59] I think that could make sense.

[00:07:02] I, yeah, the Malfoys.

[00:07:03] I just don't think like Grindelwald was on my radar that much.

[00:07:07] Yeah.

[00:07:07] Yeah.

[00:07:07] Agreed.

[00:07:09] And honestly, like he is now, but he kind of just appeared.

[00:07:14] Like I really did not pay attention to that at all.

[00:07:17] I was totally underrating the whole like dual thing.

[00:07:21] Yeah.

[00:07:21] So I don't know.

[00:07:23] Didn't get that prediction.

[00:07:25] Sorry.

[00:07:26] You got plenty more.

[00:07:27] So, so I'm assuming, well, Grindelwald is dead.

[00:07:36] So, well, I'm going to, I'm getting ahead of myself.

[00:07:39] Yeah.

[00:07:40] Just a little bit.

[00:07:41] Sorry.

[00:07:41] We'll get there.

[00:07:42] We'll get there.

[00:07:44] Here we have another line.

[00:07:45] Here we have another line.

[00:07:46] And his scream was Harry's scream.

[00:07:49] His pain was Harry's pain.

[00:07:53] Uh, that it could happen here where it had happened before here within the site of the

[00:07:59] house where he had come so close to knowing what was to die, to die.

[00:08:04] The pain was so terrible ripped from his body.

[00:08:06] But if he had no body, why did his head hurt so badly?

[00:08:09] If he was dead, how could he feel so unbearably, unbearably?

[00:08:13] Uh, didn't pain cease with death?

[00:08:16] Death?

[00:08:16] Didn't it go?

[00:08:17] No.

[00:08:18] He forced the door open, cast aside the chair and boxes hastily, piled against it with one

[00:08:22] lazy wave of his wand.

[00:08:24] And there he, she stood, the child in her arms.

[00:08:27] At the sight of him, she dropped her son into the crib behind her and threw her arms wide

[00:08:30] as if this would help.

[00:08:32] As if in shielding him from the site, from sight, she hoped to be chosen instead.

[00:08:37] Not Harry.

[00:08:37] Not Harry.

[00:08:38] Please not Harry.

[00:08:39] Stand aside.

[00:08:39] You silly girl.

[00:08:40] Stand aside now.

[00:08:41] Not Harry.

[00:08:42] Please.

[00:08:43] No.

[00:08:43] Take, take me.

[00:08:47] Not Harry.

[00:08:48] Please have mercy.

[00:08:49] Have mercy.

[00:08:49] Not Harry.

[00:08:50] Not Harry.

[00:08:50] Please.

[00:08:51] I'll do anything.

[00:08:51] Stand aside.

[00:08:52] Stand aside, girl.

[00:08:54] He could have forced her away from the crib, but it seemed more prudent to finish them

[00:08:56] all.

[00:08:58] Did this give you like any extra insight into what was happening with the potters?

[00:09:03] Why he was trying to kill the potters?

[00:09:04] What was going on that night?

[00:09:07] I feel like no, but I'm also dumb.

[00:09:10] So it's like more of the story.

[00:09:14] And then also Voldemort's giving Lily second chances, which is really strange.

[00:09:20] Why?

[00:09:22] I don't know.

[00:09:23] I feel like they're related or something.

[00:09:25] That's like a phenomenal question that you come up with because this is a, this is something

[00:09:29] that, you know, befuddles fans.

[00:09:33] Why was, good word, right?

[00:09:36] One point.

[00:09:37] The word of the day.

[00:09:38] Um, why was Voldemort giving Lily any kind of second chance?

[00:09:44] Doesn't really seem within his character.

[00:09:45] Why wouldn't he just go in there guns a blazing killer and then kill Harry?

[00:09:53] I'm thinking there's like either they're related.

[00:09:57] Ooh, he likes her or Voldemort's like doing this on somebody.

[00:10:02] He likes her as in Voldemort likes her.

[00:10:03] Yeah.

[00:10:04] Voldemort has a crush on Lily Potter.

[00:10:05] Yeah.

[00:10:05] That's the whole reason you want to kill Harry.

[00:10:07] I don't know why he wants to kill Harry.

[00:10:09] Is Harry the child of Voldemort rather than James Potter?

[00:10:12] Whoa.

[00:10:14] Uh, I hope not.

[00:10:15] Yeah.

[00:10:16] That would be gnarly.

[00:10:21] Um, I don't think the love thing would have worked then.

[00:10:24] The love protection.

[00:10:27] But my other idea was like, maybe Voldemort's not doing this out of his own free will.

[00:10:34] And like, maybe he's taking an order to kill Harry.

[00:10:36] Cause like, I think if it was just Voldemort, he would just like,

[00:10:39] Would Voldemort be taking orders?

[00:10:40] I don't know, John.

[00:10:42] I don't know what's happening here.

[00:10:43] I'm confused.

[00:10:44] There's a lot happening.

[00:10:47] I don't know.

[00:10:48] I have no answer to your question.

[00:10:50] Okay.

[00:10:51] It's okay.

[00:10:52] Sorry for asking.

[00:10:53] Won't ask again.

[00:10:54] Yeah.

[00:10:54] Don't ask me any questions.

[00:10:56] It's not allowed.

[00:10:57] Um,

[00:10:59] I will say though, the writing in this chapter, this is like the greatest transition in like,

[00:11:07] literary history.

[00:11:08] I feel like the way it just goes from like, Harry in the house to Voldemort in wherever he

[00:11:15] is.

[00:11:15] And then Voldemort in the house.

[00:11:17] And then he's like jumping out the window.

[00:11:18] And then he's back into Harry's mind.

[00:11:20] It's great.

[00:11:21] Yeah.

[00:11:21] And then Harry's back in the tent.

[00:11:22] I was like, whoa, we are like soaring through this and it's making like perfect sense.

[00:11:27] Yeah.

[00:11:27] Like that's crazy.

[00:11:28] That's the impressive thing in this chapter is that it's so many different perspectives.

[00:11:32] So many, you go in so many different places, but the whole thing is still very coherent.

[00:11:35] Yeah.

[00:11:36] It's, it's a phenomenally written chapter.

[00:11:38] It's like one of the best I think.

[00:11:40] Um, yeah, I would probably place this one within like the top five of just chapters that

[00:11:45] I think are brilliantly written.

[00:11:46] So good.

[00:11:47] This one and the last one.

[00:11:48] I love the last one so much just for sadness and this one for like creepiness and for going

[00:11:53] in and out of perspectives all over the place.

[00:11:56] I hate how she's like, uh, trying to hide upstairs and like trap herself in there.

[00:12:02] And then he's just coming inevitably.

[00:12:04] That was really freaky.

[00:12:09] How?

[00:12:09] Yeah.

[00:12:10] It'd be interesting when you read, if you ever reread the series for a third time and you reread

[00:12:15] this chapter, knowing what you know at the moment, like rereading it is interesting of

[00:12:19] how everything that she's doing is to get Harry isolated and alone so that she can start speaking

[00:12:25] in Parcel mouth, Parcel tongue.

[00:12:27] Um, but Thilda.

[00:12:29] Yeah.

[00:12:31] Like the whole thing is really eerie and creepy.

[00:12:33] Like the movie has a pretty good portrayal of it.

[00:12:35] Um, of how she like beckons Harry upstairs.

[00:12:38] She's like pointing upstairs so that she can leave Hermione and then go.

[00:12:42] But like the whole thing, like the, again, even the movie portrays it pretty well because

[00:12:45] it's like there's, you know, like there's buckets of like poop and like, you know, like

[00:12:50] rotting corpse there.

[00:12:52] It's gross.

[00:12:53] The whole thing is nasty.

[00:12:54] I hate that.

[00:12:55] Yeah.

[00:12:57] Um, were you gonna, did you expect that they were gonna escape from this?

[00:13:01] I mean, you like, this can't be the end of the book, but what did you expect when you

[00:13:04] were reading this chapter?

[00:13:06] I was like expecting Harry to get the snake to like bite the Horcrux somehow.

[00:13:12] Oh, that would be awesome.

[00:13:13] And he was gonna like position it correctly.

[00:13:16] Horcrux killing the Horcrux?

[00:13:17] Cause Nagini's a basilisk, right?

[00:13:19] Yeah.

[00:13:20] So then...

[00:13:20] No, no, no, Nagini's not a basilisk.

[00:13:22] Sorry.

[00:13:23] Um, what can I do?

[00:13:25] So I don't know if Nagini has any venom, but I was like, maybe if the snake can like bite

[00:13:31] the Horcrux, it'll die.

[00:13:34] But I was very shocked when they escaped actually.

[00:13:37] Yeah.

[00:13:37] I felt like that was a quick escape.

[00:13:39] Yeah, seriously.

[00:13:40] Although...

[00:13:41] Thank you to Hermione.

[00:13:42] They didn't, yeah, but they didn't escape with any, without any casualties.

[00:13:47] Unfortunately, Harry's wand is now destroyed.

[00:13:50] Oh, no.

[00:13:52] That's not good.

[00:13:53] That's a little devastating.

[00:13:56] Well, do...

[00:13:59] Harry's wand has essentially been the thing that's been protecting him for this entire

[00:14:02] time.

[00:14:04] So, when they were on the run in the Seven Potters chapter, his wand acted of its own accord

[00:14:10] and saved Harry in that whole situation.

[00:14:12] Otherwise, Harry would have been dead.

[00:14:14] Yeah.

[00:14:14] What the heck chance do they have now?

[00:14:17] If Harry's wand is destroyed and they're on looking for Horcruxes, how the heck are they

[00:14:23] gonna defeat Voldemort?

[00:14:27] I feel like Dumbledore was kind of preparing Harry for that though, of always saying, oh,

[00:14:32] you're a good wizard.

[00:14:33] Like, it's not about the wand.

[00:14:36] I feel like it's gonna be fine without the wand.

[00:14:39] I don't think the twin wands is like that big of a deal.

[00:14:44] Okay.

[00:14:44] I don't know.

[00:14:44] It probably is like the biggest deal.

[00:14:46] But his like, Hermione's wand isn't even working well for him.

[00:14:49] It feels really foreign in his hand.

[00:14:50] So, Voldemort's wand, what happened to that one?

[00:14:53] Voldemort still has his wand.

[00:14:55] But he was using it there.

[00:14:58] But Voldemort is on the search as you were looking for the Elder Wand.

[00:15:04] The Gregorovitch wand?

[00:15:06] Mm-hmm.

[00:15:07] Yeah.

[00:15:07] So, I'm assuming Harry has to go find that first.

[00:15:11] So, who do you think is gonna find that wand first?

[00:15:20] Give me the possible scenarios if...

[00:15:24] The possible scenarios are...

[00:15:27] Sorry.

[00:15:27] Voldemort finds it first?

[00:15:28] Voldemort finds it first?

[00:15:29] Or Harry finds it first?

[00:15:29] If Voldemort finds it first, what happens?

[00:15:30] Because if Voldemort finds it first and Harry's fighting with Hermione's wand, he doesn't stand a chance.

[00:15:39] Why?

[00:15:40] Because if you're fighting with the most powerful wand and Harry's fighting with the wand, it's literally Hermione's wand.

[00:15:46] That's foreign to him.

[00:15:48] That has no relationship to him.

[00:15:49] Yeah, it's Harry Potter, but I don't care.

[00:15:51] Like, if you're...

[00:15:54] If you're...

[00:15:54] I don't know.

[00:15:56] Yeah, the tool doesn't matter so much.

[00:15:59] But like, it does.

[00:16:00] It's not all about wand work.

[00:16:03] Oh, wow.

[00:16:04] Okay.

[00:16:04] All right.

[00:16:06] I feel like if Voldemort gets the wand, the Elder Wand's like not gonna curse Harry and he's gonna be like safe.

[00:16:15] Why?

[00:16:16] I don't know.

[00:16:17] Because there's love in the air.

[00:16:19] There's love in the air.

[00:16:21] You gotta back up your theories or something.

[00:16:23] I have no theories, okay?

[00:16:24] This is not my forte.

[00:16:26] I just sit and enjoy the ride.

[00:16:30] And if Harry gets it first, which I think Harry will get it first, because this is his story.

[00:16:37] This is his big scavenger hunt.

[00:16:40] If he gets it first, that's good.

[00:16:44] And I guess he can be Voldemort.

[00:16:46] Yeah.

[00:16:48] You are devastated at this one though, again.

[00:16:50] At least I am.

[00:16:51] Maybe not you, because you don't believe in the wand doing...

[00:16:53] It's not all about wand work.

[00:16:55] I'm just optimistic.

[00:16:57] Yeah, you're very optimistic.

[00:16:57] I'm a pessimist.

[00:16:58] This chapter sucks so much.

[00:17:00] Because literally, there's like, his wand is busted and what's he gonna do now?

[00:17:07] I'm like, it's fine.

[00:17:08] It'll be okay.

[00:17:12] Or I was thinking like, instead of having the phoenix wand, that fox would come back and

[00:17:19] then he could just literally have fox and shoot spells out of fox's mouth.

[00:17:28] I don't know.

[00:17:29] I feel like fox will come to his aid again.

[00:17:34] Okay.

[00:17:36] Maybe she'll cry a tear on the wand and the wand will heal itself.

[00:17:40] Interesting.

[00:17:41] Interesting theory.

[00:17:41] Very interesting theory.

[00:17:45] But Ron brings him another wand.

[00:17:48] Yeah.

[00:17:49] We'll get there.

[00:17:51] It's still not Harry's wand.

[00:17:53] Yeah.

[00:17:53] But it's something.

[00:17:54] It's something a little bit better than what he's been using.

[00:17:57] Well, let's go to chapter 18, which is the life and lives of Alba's number 0.

[00:17:59] Do you have anything else in 17?

[00:18:10] Just that I cried a little bit.

[00:18:15] Yeah?

[00:18:16] Yeah.

[00:18:16] Where?

[00:18:17] When James was just hanging out with baby Harry, I was like, no, that's so sweet.

[00:18:23] That whole part, I was like, this is messed up.

[00:18:28] But that and then, no, I think that's it.

[00:18:36] That's it.

[00:18:38] Or can only pictures be in one place at one time?

[00:18:41] Like why is only the photos in Rita's book?

[00:18:45] You can't have like a duplicate photo.

[00:18:47] Yeah, right.

[00:18:48] It's like a Polaroid.

[00:18:48] I know.

[00:18:49] They don't have iPhones, so they can't take a picture of it or scan it.

[00:18:52] I guess you just got to take the originals.

[00:18:57] That was just a thought.

[00:18:58] Yeah.

[00:18:59] Moving on.

[00:19:00] All right.

[00:19:00] Chapter 18, the life and lives of Albus Dumbledore.

[00:19:04] This one, they read the book.

[00:19:06] Where he goes through some of the book, like a little chapter of the book.

[00:19:09] Mm-hmm.

[00:19:13] And his trust in Albus Dumbledore is shattered.

[00:19:18] That's pretty much all that happens in this chapter.

[00:19:20] It is.

[00:19:21] I'm kind of like confused but unfazed because I didn't really like Dumbledore that much.

[00:19:27] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:19:28] For sure.

[00:19:28] So I'm like, okay, kind of makes sense.

[00:19:31] He's like not a great dude.

[00:19:34] But I feel like almost, I don't know.

[00:19:41] I don't know what I need to say about Dumbledore.

[00:19:44] Like all of the things still stand about he is manipulative.

[00:19:48] Like he should have shared more.

[00:19:50] Yeah.

[00:19:50] But then I'm like, maybe he really didn't know what was happening either.

[00:19:53] Like can we blame Dumbledore if Harry and Dumbledore are both in like the same level of just taking it step by step?

[00:20:03] And like, do you really have to tell people your past?

[00:20:06] Like is that part of, does that make you untrustworthy just because you don't tell them everything about you?

[00:20:11] Yeah, I'm with you on that.

[00:20:12] That one seems, that one seems extreme on Harry's part.

[00:20:18] Like I feel like he has a mature understanding of like how, I don't know, like information works and privacy works.

[00:20:27] Yeah.

[00:20:27] Dumbledore has like a lot of students like, I mean, yes, Dumbledore did, you know, love Harry to some extent.

[00:20:32] He was like had a deeper relationship with him than some of the other students, but he's still a student.

[00:20:37] Yeah.

[00:20:38] And like, if I teach, I'm not going to like tell my students a lot of my, a lot of stuff in my personal life, much less stuff that I don't want people to like me to know about.

[00:20:45] Yeah.

[00:20:45] Or like if you know your principal, you're not going to be like, oh, or like your principal's like, oh, you're a great student.

[00:20:51] I went to jail when I was a kid.

[00:20:53] Yeah.

[00:20:53] Like you're not going to say that.

[00:20:54] It's just like past is past.

[00:20:56] Even if Harry asked those questions, I'm not going to really like say, okay, let me like lay it all out for you.

[00:21:01] Yeah.

[00:21:01] Because what does that really do for Harry?

[00:21:04] Nothing.

[00:21:05] I don't think it does anything for him.

[00:21:06] It's like interesting now that we know Grindelwald is like involved with the wand and like the other stuff, but there's really no reason.

[00:21:16] There's like a boundary of, yeah, what you're saying, like privacy that I think I would live by if I was Dumbledore.

[00:21:23] Again, Harry's a student.

[00:21:24] You don't tell him all this stuff.

[00:21:26] Like Dumbledore is very secret.

[00:21:27] So he just kept this kind of from everyone.

[00:21:29] Like no one really knows about him.

[00:21:30] So I mean, one of the questions that I always have in this series is did Dumbledore really have any real and true friends?

[00:21:37] Um, so that one's a little trickier.

[00:21:41] Sometimes I don't.

[00:21:42] I think he almost prohibited himself from having friends.

[00:21:46] Like he doesn't really have a good friend in the book.

[00:21:48] Like he has like acquaintances and he has students.

[00:21:52] So he's like kind of like sacrificing his life for people, other people, I guess on this.

[00:21:57] But it's still a little strange.

[00:21:59] Yeah.

[00:22:01] But why didn't Dumbledore give them more information?

[00:22:06] I kind of feel like having more information is a liability and like a risk to them.

[00:22:15] Why?

[00:22:16] If they're ever captured or even if like the order did something weird and like tried to get information out of them and like, where are you going?

[00:22:25] What are you doing?

[00:22:26] Like they're truly just like, I don't know.

[00:22:28] Like we're just trying to find Horcruxes.

[00:22:30] Like I feel like most people could deduce Horcruxes at this point is what they're after.

[00:22:38] But I don't know.

[00:22:40] I feel like sometimes just being in the dark and just trusting that it's going to be okay.

[00:22:46] I don't know.

[00:22:47] Yeah.

[00:22:48] It's not ideal, but I don't feel like Dumbledore knew that much more about the Horcruxes, honestly.

[00:22:53] Like he probably did what he could and then he died.

[00:22:56] And then I don't think he has like all these instructions written about like what the other ones are because he already told them what he thinks they are.

[00:23:05] Yeah, for sure.

[00:23:05] And he kept being like, I'm not sure.

[00:23:07] Like this might not be true.

[00:23:09] And we're just going to go off like me hoping that it's right.

[00:23:12] So I feel like he kept raising doubts in Harry's mind anyways before he died.

[00:23:17] So I feel like Dumbledore just kept getting like more and more unsure anyway.

[00:23:20] Yeah.

[00:23:22] But yeah, you lose like your support and the person that you do trust because he's like a very, I don't know, is stalwart a good word?

[00:23:33] Yeah.

[00:23:34] Character.

[00:23:34] It's kind of, yeah.

[00:23:35] At least to Harry.

[00:23:36] I mean, I think almost everyone in this book, except for you, except for like there, I think there's readers that you kind of don't have full trust in Dumbledore.

[00:23:47] But I think especially as a kid, like he's that one character that seems untouchable.

[00:23:51] And that's why again, I talk about this all the time, but the ability for this series to advance and maturity for every book.

[00:23:58] Yeah.

[00:23:59] And like in the beginning, I like you, you're reading as an adult and like you're seeing through some of the stuff that Dumbledore is doing.

[00:24:04] You'll be like, ah, that's a little shady.

[00:24:06] Like, you know, he shouldn't be doing this or shouldn't be doing that.

[00:24:08] And we see that through every single character.

[00:24:10] But as a kid, if you're reading Dumbledore, you're like kind of in awe of him and you're like, wow, this guy, he's like so good at magic and he can do all these kinds of things.

[00:24:16] And like nothing really seems that terrible that he's doing.

[00:24:19] And then it slowly gets worn down.

[00:24:21] He starts to make like one or two maybe little errors or mistakes.

[00:24:24] And then especially in this book, you're like, OK, so this person that I love that I thought was super trustworthy that I think was like an incredible wizard isn't really everything that is shocked out to be.

[00:24:33] And I feel like it's very true for adulthood.

[00:24:36] Even like of your parents, you kind of start to realize your parents aren't perfect and you're like, oh, my parents are human beings and they still make mistakes.

[00:24:42] And you're realizing that Dumbledore did and all these other people in these books, they're all riddled with their own errors and issues.

[00:24:50] And, you know, like Lupin's like a messed up dude, you know, Tonks has their issues.

[00:24:56] And Dumbledore, who this person that you thought was great, has his issues, too.

[00:24:59] Not that you personally thought is great.

[00:25:01] I just don't feel like I get attached to like people like that.

[00:25:06] So I don't know if there would be like I would read any book and be like, oh, I love this person.

[00:25:12] Like, it's just a book.

[00:25:13] Like, I'm not like, OK, yeah.

[00:25:14] But is there has there ever been a character that you've like truly loved in like a book that you're like?

[00:25:20] Not that it like impacts my life.

[00:25:23] I don't know.

[00:25:23] I would really have to sit thinking about this.

[00:25:25] Maybe I'll revisit this question.

[00:25:27] There's I love like learning from other characters.

[00:25:30] Like that's why I read is like so I can understand people.

[00:25:34] But like for me to like actually personally feel something that takes a lot.

[00:25:39] So that's why, like, I love reading weird stories about people because then I'm like, I can at least like understand in like a knowledge way what's going on.

[00:25:50] But yeah, like there's some characters that I've read that it's just like I think about them a lot.

[00:25:56] And I don't know.

[00:25:57] It just like follows you about your daily life.

[00:26:00] Yeah.

[00:26:01] Or it helps you grow through something.

[00:26:03] But absolutely.

[00:26:04] I'm not like like when Dumbledore died, I was like distraught.

[00:26:08] But outside of that, I'm just like, OK, it's just a book.

[00:26:13] I love it.

[00:26:15] But I'm just like a little detached from.

[00:26:17] Yeah, I think that's healthy.

[00:26:19] Everything.

[00:26:20] Because at the end of the day, this is fiction.

[00:26:22] It's like escapism.

[00:26:23] It's you know, everyone.

[00:26:24] It shouldn't be.

[00:26:26] It's an integral part of your life because like this helps you.

[00:26:29] This gives you instruction on how to live like one of my favorite descriptions of what like fiction and what writing does for us is like its instructions on how we live our lives.

[00:26:39] So if like you're reading it and you're becoming super attached to characters or like that is your life, I feel like that can be a little unhealthy.

[00:26:45] But if this thing is teaching you then how to live and like live a better life and live as a better human, then I feel like that's really the purpose of good literature.

[00:26:53] Didn't the instruction on Professor Sprout actress just like say something like it's so weird that everybody.

[00:27:02] Oh, yeah.

[00:27:02] Yeah.

[00:27:03] Everyone is up in arms about that.

[00:27:05] That's crazy.

[00:27:06] Yeah.

[00:27:07] I feel like that's part of the reason why like my this personality trait of mine is like the whole Harry hug situation the other day or people were like, that's insane that she thinks like Harry hugging Mrs. Weasley is like not real.

[00:27:23] But like, I just feel like in my mind, that's something that like I don't understand necessarily.

[00:27:29] So it's just like I'm projecting that into the how I'm viewing the book.

[00:27:33] Exactly.

[00:27:34] Yeah.

[00:27:34] So sorry, everyone.

[00:27:36] And that's why I think again, this is why I this is the podcast you read with other people because other people see different things.

[00:27:42] So that's why it's fun.

[00:27:43] Like you.

[00:27:44] I love book clubs just in general because you read a book with other people and they read it differently than you.

[00:27:49] They read the characters differently than you.

[00:27:51] They have different backgrounds and you so it's just fun and enjoyable to like talk about these characters that like I love certain characters.

[00:27:59] They're not like, you know, I'm not thinking about them all the time.

[00:28:01] Like it's like a good movie.

[00:28:02] Like I'll think about those characters for a little bit.

[00:28:04] For like a week after I'll be like, oh, man, like that was a great person.

[00:28:07] I like, you know, want to read another book like character like that in it.

[00:28:12] But, you know, you move on from that kind of stuff.

[00:28:15] You're not like lingering on those characters.

[00:28:17] But I love just hearing what other people think about certain people.

[00:28:20] Like again, one of my favorite books ever was the Poisonwood Bible and reading that in book club and realizing that people did not like some of the same characters that I liked was.

[00:28:28] It was just devastating for me.

[00:28:30] I was like, you jerks.

[00:28:32] Hannah's the best.

[00:28:33] I love her.

[00:28:34] That's so funny.

[00:28:35] Yeah.

[00:28:36] But in this chapter, you learn how Grindelwald did something to get him expelled from Durmstrang.

[00:28:46] Yeah.

[00:28:47] What did he do?

[00:28:49] Didn't he like try to murder somebody?

[00:28:52] A muggle?

[00:28:55] A muggle?

[00:28:56] I don't know.

[00:28:59] I don't think it has anything in the chapter about that.

[00:29:02] What?

[00:29:02] I think he does something after that.

[00:29:04] Maybe that's what Rita said in her article.

[00:29:06] So afterward, it says there was like a brawl that happened at the funeral.

[00:29:14] And like he tried.

[00:29:16] They don't know which one killed Ariana.

[00:29:21] Grindelwald got expelled.

[00:29:23] Yeah.

[00:29:24] From Durmstrang, which is like, you know, they're not the dark arts school, but they teach dark arts rather than defense against the dark arts.

[00:29:29] So this is a, this is another line.

[00:29:35] And I want to talk about Dumbledore in terms of this one, but two, but it says this dreadful coffin sized brawl.

[00:29:41] Only to those few who attended Ariana Dumbledore's funeral raises several questions.

[00:29:47] Why exactly did Aberforth Dumbledore blame Albus for his sister's death?

[00:29:52] Was as was it as bad he pretends a mere effusion of grief?

[00:29:56] Or could there have been some more concrete reason for this, for his fury?

[00:30:00] Grindelwald expelled from Durmstrang for near fatal attacks upon fellow students.

[00:30:04] There you go.

[00:30:05] Fled the country hours after the girl's death.

[00:30:08] And Albus, out of shame or fear, never saw him again.

[00:30:12] Not until forced to do so by the pleas of the wizarding world.

[00:30:17] I feel like Grindelwald killed her.

[00:30:20] But that seems like so obvious that it's wrong.

[00:30:24] Cause he's like, oh, somebody dies to flee the country.

[00:30:28] It's like, okay, are you the murderer?

[00:30:29] I think there's at one point it doesn't really matter who murdered her out of the three of them.

[00:30:34] They would still all do the same things that they're doing.

[00:30:39] Like we don't know anything about Aberforth.

[00:30:41] So we don't know what he's like going off, you know, shacking with goats,

[00:30:44] a little weird stuff going on with Aberforth.

[00:30:46] But Albus would still blame himself for everything.

[00:30:48] Even if he wasn't the one that was the murderer, even if he knew that for sure,

[00:30:52] I think he would still blame himself.

[00:30:53] And Grindelwald didn't really care.

[00:30:55] He was like, you know, off doing his own thing.

[00:30:57] You don't really know what's going on there.

[00:30:59] But how about this question?

[00:31:02] No, either Grindelwald killed the whatever her name is.

[00:31:06] Ariana.

[00:31:07] Yes.

[00:31:07] Or Grindelwald and Dumbledore were like fighting with each other.

[00:31:13] And then she got hit with some like one off misfire spell.

[00:31:18] Yeah.

[00:31:19] But I feel like they were both like there when she died.

[00:31:23] Yeah, for sure.

[00:31:28] Or they like tested something on her like dark magic and then she died.

[00:31:34] So revisiting something that Dumbledore talked about in the first book

[00:31:37] when he was talking about the Mirror of Erised and he said he saw himself

[00:31:40] holding up a pair of thick woolen socks.

[00:31:43] What did you really see in the Mirror of Erised?

[00:31:45] I don't know.

[00:31:46] I don't have answers to this.

[00:31:49] Just tell me what he saw.

[00:31:51] We don't know.

[00:31:53] We will never know.

[00:31:54] This is just all theory.

[00:31:55] Didn't I say like him defeating Voldemort in there?

[00:31:58] Yeah, I think so.

[00:31:59] I think something like that.

[00:32:00] I still stand by that.

[00:32:01] I like it.

[00:32:02] What does his deepest desire...

[00:32:06] What do you think?

[00:32:06] Maybe like erasing his past.

[00:32:09] Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:09] Honestly.

[00:32:10] I don't know how you'd see that in the mirror, but time turner.

[00:32:14] Dumbledore using a time turner.

[00:32:16] I like it.

[00:32:17] In the mirror going back.

[00:32:18] Maybe a good little spinoff series.

[00:32:26] And then why is Harry so ticked off at not really...

[00:32:33] Like learning all this information?

[00:32:38] I think just it pertains to him in like his childhood, but then also his future.

[00:32:47] And then Dumbledore was pretty close with him and it's like people thought Harry was Dumbledore's favorite.

[00:32:52] So then to have all of this come out where it's like, oh, I actually didn't know anything about him.

[00:32:56] Yeah.

[00:32:57] That's pretty painful for him.

[00:32:59] Yeah.

[00:33:02] It definitely changes the relationship.

[00:33:04] This is like a low point for Harry where he realizes his wands broke and then not only that, he really doesn't know what the heck he's doing.

[00:33:10] And Dumbledore didn't give him any information, not about himself or about like really how to find the Horcruxes.

[00:33:17] So he's pretty ticked off here.

[00:33:20] Is the greater good the thing that you said is like noble to seek after or something?

[00:33:27] Nope.

[00:33:28] Really?

[00:33:28] Okay.

[00:33:29] That was my only guess.

[00:33:30] I would never say that.

[00:33:31] The greater good.

[00:33:32] We never want to fight for the greater good.

[00:33:34] That's a Grindelwald thing.

[00:33:37] You don't think the greater good is good?

[00:33:39] No, I do.

[00:33:40] But I think it's used pretty poorly most of the time.

[00:33:43] Grindelwald's using it to achieve whatever aims he wants to do.

[00:33:47] Anybody could say the greater good and they could justify whatever their actions are.

[00:33:52] Yeah.

[00:33:52] Actually, most of the time I don't think the greater good is really the greater good.

[00:33:55] Because also the good is subjective.

[00:33:57] Yeah, agreed.

[00:33:57] So yeah.

[00:33:59] I'm kind of with you on that actually.

[00:34:01] That was easy.

[00:34:03] Chapter 19, the silver doe.

[00:34:05] An all time good chapter.

[00:34:08] It's his mommy.

[00:34:10] I think.

[00:34:12] How?

[00:34:13] Because it's a...

[00:34:15] Wait, isn't a stag like a deer?

[00:34:17] A stag is a male deer.

[00:34:19] Yeah.

[00:34:20] So then...

[00:34:20] A bunch of different things.

[00:34:21] Like I think a male elk maybe too.

[00:34:24] Uh, but it's a male deer, yeah.

[00:34:26] So then the female deer is...

[00:34:29] A doe.

[00:34:29] The doe.

[00:34:30] So if it's his mom, then how the heck is his mom casting a Patronus?

[00:34:36] Is this just deeper magic that we've never seen before?

[00:34:39] It must be like programmed into the forest by Dumbledore.

[00:34:44] Like when Harry senses...

[00:34:49] Or like when the forest senses Harry's presence.

[00:34:53] That this deer...

[00:34:54] This is a random forest that they're in that has no...

[00:34:57] The sword is there.

[00:34:58] That's what meaning.

[00:34:59] Yeah.

[00:34:59] But how the heck did the sword get there?

[00:35:01] Because Dumbledore hid it there.

[00:35:03] And how...

[00:35:04] Dumbledore is hiding a sword in a random wood, hoping that Harry and Hermione will come across

[00:35:09] it.

[00:35:10] Yeah.

[00:35:10] He did.

[00:35:12] In ancient magic.

[00:35:13] How?

[00:35:14] I don't know.

[00:35:16] I'm just trying to work it out.

[00:35:18] But I think there's like some magic that you sense that they're there and then the doe

[00:35:24] like comes out.

[00:35:25] So I don't really feel like it's necessarily cast by a person.

[00:35:27] I think it's more of like a you sense that the Harry's near or you sense like the sword.

[00:35:35] I don't know.

[00:35:38] Yeah, but I don't think like his mom is just there casting it.

[00:35:42] I think it's like programmed in or something, you know?

[00:35:58] There was a small little like sentence in this that talks about how there was like a rustle

[00:36:04] in the woods and he wasn't sure if it was like just his own imagination or if it was a

[00:36:08] person back there like watching him.

[00:36:10] Let's say that that's a person watching him.

[00:36:16] We're at the pond.

[00:36:17] Yeah.

[00:36:19] Who is that?

[00:36:20] Is that just wrong?

[00:36:21] Ronald Weasley.

[00:36:22] Okay.

[00:36:22] Or an elf.

[00:36:24] But again, I can't.

[00:36:29] You cannot cast.

[00:36:30] If Dumbledore is doing this, you cannot cast a patronus other than what yours your the form

[00:36:35] that yours takes.

[00:36:36] So Dumbledore cannot cast a doe patronus.

[00:36:38] So how the heck is the doe patronus getting in the woods?

[00:36:42] Did he bottle up a patronus and unleash it?

[00:36:47] Because you're saying Dumbledore is a mastermind behind all this.

[00:36:50] It's like in the same bank of your 10 spells that your mom left you.

[00:36:55] Because he had the one thing with the magnetic wand.

[00:36:58] Okay.

[00:36:59] There's like a little storage of spells that she left.

[00:37:04] I don't know.

[00:37:05] Like how am I supposed to know this?

[00:37:08] There's no way.

[00:37:11] Well, there's a way.

[00:37:13] Well, not for the stupid people of the world.

[00:37:17] You're not.

[00:37:17] You're brilliant.

[00:37:18] Come on.

[00:37:19] No, I'm literally an idiot.

[00:37:22] I don't know.

[00:37:23] Maybe I should reread this.

[00:37:25] Read between the lines.

[00:37:26] You'd love going in the cold water though, wouldn't you?

[00:37:28] A little polar plunge.

[00:37:29] I was literally on my little pool floaty reading this.

[00:37:32] I was like, ha ha, sucker.

[00:37:34] But no, I was like, come on.

[00:37:36] This is such an overreaction.

[00:37:37] Really?

[00:37:38] Yeah.

[00:37:38] A little polar plunge.

[00:37:40] I would be hairy.

[00:37:42] I would be going in like an inch an hour.

[00:37:44] Like slowly descending.

[00:37:46] Just gotta dive in there.

[00:37:49] People do that all the time.

[00:37:53] Cold showers.

[00:37:55] Um, I had a thought.

[00:37:57] Let me find it.

[00:38:15] Okay.

[00:38:16] You kind of like, I feel like prepared me for this, but this is like the first sentence

[00:38:23] of the chapter.

[00:38:23] I really like the sun was coming up.

[00:38:25] The pure colorless vastness of the sky stretched over him indifferent to him and his suffering.

[00:38:30] Harry sat down in the tent entrance and took a deep breath of clean air.

[00:38:33] Simply to be alive, to watch the sunrise over the sparkling snowy hillside ought to have

[00:38:38] been the greatest treasure on earth.

[00:38:40] Yet he could not appreciate it.

[00:38:41] His senses had been spiked by the calamity of losing his wand.

[00:38:45] He looked out over the valley, blanketed in snow, distant church bells chiming through

[00:38:48] the glittering silence.

[00:38:49] But like, I feel like that's gonna be a callback to like Harry wanting to die later

[00:38:54] and not appreciating the goodness of life.

[00:38:58] Okay.

[00:38:59] Yeah.

[00:38:59] Cause you kind of said that like, he's gonna get really messed up in the head later and

[00:39:05] kind of want, I don't know if that was just like the grave scene of him like,

[00:39:07] That was one of them wanting to join his parents.

[00:39:11] Yeah.

[00:39:11] But yeah, I just, I read that and I was like, oh, this is going to be like one of those moments

[00:39:16] or the moment that's going to come is like him.

[00:39:19] Yeah.

[00:39:20] I don't want to die.

[00:39:20] But the graveyard scene is one of those where like, it's like a little like Harry sitting

[00:39:25] there and you never really gotten this before.

[00:39:28] I mean like certain like Sirius is death.

[00:39:31] He wanted to die as well, but it was different.

[00:39:33] You kind of wanted Sirius back.

[00:39:35] So it was a little different than this for this one.

[00:39:37] He's at his parents grave and he wishes he was there with them.

[00:39:39] So like Harry is like, I don't, I don't like, it's weird to say, but like longing to

[00:39:49] be in the grave with them.

[00:39:50] Yeah.

[00:39:51] I differ from like being suicidal.

[00:39:53] Yeah, I agree.

[00:39:53] Because you're not trying to like actually do anything.

[00:39:56] Yeah, for sure.

[00:39:56] You just are like longing to be gone.

[00:39:58] Yeah.

[00:40:00] It's like, yeah, longing to be with the people that you love.

[00:40:02] Yeah.

[00:40:04] But yeah, some of these lines again, she is a phenomenal like sentence writer.

[00:40:08] So these are just packed with meaning.

[00:40:11] But Harry's like, again, his instinct is ridiculous.

[00:40:14] Like he's following this thing.

[00:40:15] The dough?

[00:40:16] Yeah.

[00:40:17] It's like it told him this wasn't dark magic.

[00:40:19] He set off in pursuit.

[00:40:20] Like he maybe you should go, you know, wake up Hermione.

[00:40:22] Did you not feel that way with Bithilda?

[00:40:24] Like, this is my destiny.

[00:40:27] Agreed.

[00:40:27] Bithilda.

[00:40:28] Harry is like an absolute idiot in these chapters.

[00:40:30] Yeah.

[00:40:31] But it works out for him.

[00:40:33] I was so right about the Patronus coming and Ron rejoining him.

[00:40:37] Yeah.

[00:40:37] I was like, good.

[00:40:38] My one memory is like working out.

[00:40:41] I knew that was right.

[00:40:43] How did how did Ron get back?

[00:40:45] He talks about this, but his deluminator is like a radio.

[00:40:50] Yeah.

[00:40:50] And then it's like a blue orb that absorbs into it.

[00:40:55] Then he just affrates and it takes him right to the place he needs to go.

[00:40:57] And I'm like, I'm reading now.

[00:40:59] Like, how am I ever supposed to guess that?

[00:41:01] Like the deluminator?

[00:41:02] Yeah.

[00:41:03] Like there's no way.

[00:41:04] Unless you're just guessing random stuff.

[00:41:08] There was, I know.

[00:41:09] Yeah.

[00:41:09] That one again for half the stuff in Harry Potter, you can't really come up with some guesses

[00:41:14] for stuff like the deluminator.

[00:41:17] I think what did what's his face say?

[00:41:25] Let me, this is the only hint of what the deluminator actually does.

[00:41:31] Um, to Ronald Billius Weasley, I leave my deluminator in the hope that he will remember me when he uses it.

[00:41:40] So actually it's no hint at all.

[00:41:41] I thought he was going to be like.

[00:41:44] Like let it guide you.

[00:41:45] Yeah.

[00:41:46] Let it guide you when all the, like Lord of the Rings, when all other lights go out.

[00:41:50] Yeah.

[00:41:51] Don't be kidding.

[00:41:56] Yeah.

[00:41:56] It's like no hint at all what this thing does.

[00:41:58] So it would have been remarkable if you guess what that thing did.

[00:42:01] There's no chance anybody can really guess what that does.

[00:42:04] Um, yeah, I totally saw the blue orb coming.

[00:42:09] Um, were you shocked by the return though?

[00:42:13] Did you see it coming in this chapter when you were reading it?

[00:42:15] We were like, Oh, this is the chapter Ron comes back.

[00:42:16] I was like, this is all coming together.

[00:42:18] Yeah.

[00:42:18] But the entirety of the Horcrux getting destroyed.

[00:42:23] That was full first time reader mode.

[00:42:25] I was like, what in the world?

[00:42:27] They're like rising up out of the locket.

[00:42:30] I had no recollection of that whatsoever.

[00:42:33] So that was kind of exciting.

[00:42:34] Great. Yeah.

[00:42:35] But it was so weird.

[00:42:39] Like Ron really thought that Harry and Hermione were.

[00:42:42] I know.

[00:42:43] Yeah.

[00:42:44] I mean, it's like his insecurity is playing out as insecurity, which is what the Horcrux does too.

[00:42:48] Is that why you asked me what the fears were?

[00:42:50] Yeah.

[00:42:51] Cause Ron's greatest fear is probably right now and not getting with Hermione.

[00:42:55] Or like Hermione picking, uh, Harry over him.

[00:43:01] Even though it's like an illegitimate fear and Ron is like stupid for thinking that it's like his own fear.

[00:43:05] So like, you know, he can have his own fears.

[00:43:09] Uh, he can have his own.

[00:43:10] Yeah.

[00:43:10] He can have his own fear.

[00:43:11] Like it's his insecurities.

[00:43:12] So it's not like real, but it's like things that are playing in his mind that he's petrified of happening.

[00:43:18] Um, that's also kind of made me a little annoyed when like, like I knew nothing was going to happen between Harry and Hermione.

[00:43:27] Yeah.

[00:43:28] But I feel like she was just like egging it on and being like, Hermione touched Harry.

[00:43:33] Yeah.

[00:43:33] Like they walked arm in arm and I was like, stop.

[00:43:35] Like, what are you doing?

[00:43:36] Like, stop making it weird.

[00:43:38] And then Harry was like, she's my sister.

[00:43:40] Like, it's not anything, but.

[00:43:42] You never do.

[00:43:43] Never look at her like that.

[00:43:44] That was one of my favorite Hermione scenes ever though, of her just like punching Ron and like being completely crazy, like screaming at them.

[00:43:53] I feel like cause she was finally like passionate about something.

[00:43:57] She goes, you come back after weeks, weeks, and you think it's all going to be right, right?

[00:44:01] If you just say sorry.

[00:44:03] Well, what else can I say?

[00:44:04] Ron shouted.

[00:44:05] And Harry was glad that we were fighting back.

[00:44:07] Oh, I don't know.

[00:44:08] Yelled Hermione with awful sarcasm.

[00:44:10] Rack your brains, Ron.

[00:44:11] That should only take a couple of seconds.

[00:44:16] And then she goes, yeah, said Ron.

[00:44:18] Could have been worse.

[00:44:19] Remember those birds she sent on me?

[00:44:21] I still haven't ruled it out.

[00:44:23] Came Hermione's muffled voice from beneath her blankets.

[00:44:25] But Harry saw Ron smiling slightly as he pulled his maroon pajamas out of the rucksack.

[00:44:30] He loves her.

[00:44:31] I know he loves her.

[00:44:32] They're like an old married couple.

[00:44:33] And it felt like they were going to kiss when she was like, her eyes were looking up at him and her mouth was slightly open.

[00:44:39] And then it was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[00:44:40] Yeah.

[00:44:42] It's like nice and riny.

[00:44:43] Yeah.

[00:44:44] You just do what you want to do.

[00:44:45] I like that she is a little more aggressive here.

[00:44:47] Yeah.

[00:44:49] This was the line I was talking about before.

[00:44:51] Or it says, Ron says, I did think I saw something move over there, but I was running to the pool at the same time because you'd gone in and you hadn't come up.

[00:45:00] So I wasn't going to make a detour to, hey, Harry was already hurrying to the place for Ron and indicated.

[00:45:07] Two oaks grew close together.

[00:45:09] There was a gap only of a few inches between the trunks at eye level.

[00:45:12] An ideal place to see, but not be seen.

[00:45:16] I didn't realize that Ron saw it too.

[00:45:19] Mm hmm.

[00:45:19] I'm calling a house elf.

[00:45:21] I'm calling Dobby.

[00:45:22] Ooh.

[00:45:23] I think because then Dobby is going to die soon.

[00:45:26] So he has to die like some point.

[00:45:28] I think Dobby's there or like a goblin.

[00:45:32] Who else would even be?

[00:45:34] Because a goblin.

[00:45:35] What if it's like a giant?

[00:45:36] What if it's, um, Gropp?

[00:45:39] That's a stretch.

[00:45:40] That's a stretch.

[00:45:40] I'll say a goblin's a better guess than a Gropp.

[00:45:43] There was a troll man out there.

[00:45:45] That's how Harry got, I mean, Ron got the sword.

[00:45:48] The, oh my gosh.

[00:45:49] The freaking.

[00:45:50] The wand?

[00:45:50] Yeah.

[00:45:51] A troll?

[00:45:52] He had brains like a troll.

[00:45:54] He wasn't a troll.

[00:45:55] Oh, I thought he was like a half troll.

[00:45:56] Uh, Ron says he might've been half troll, but I think this Ron just insulted the guy

[00:46:00] because he's so dim-witted.

[00:46:01] Well, me too.

[00:46:02] He could have literally been half troll and maybe I'm reading it the whole time wrong.

[00:46:06] I don't know.

[00:46:06] That's another weird half breed.

[00:46:08] Half troll, half human.

[00:46:09] That I don't see happening.

[00:46:11] Yeah, me either.

[00:46:11] You'd have to have really bad taste.

[00:46:14] Maybe like a giant troll.

[00:46:16] Yeah, there you go.

[00:46:17] Could be.

[00:46:18] What else could be combined?

[00:46:20] Centaur troll?

[00:46:21] No way.

[00:46:22] Centaurs are too high up.

[00:46:23] I don't think centaurs are doing it with anybody.

[00:46:26] Centaurs are not interbreeding.

[00:46:27] They're only with themselves.

[00:46:28] Also, I saw someone.

[00:46:29] Whoa.

[00:46:30] Bless you.

[00:46:31] Moose.

[00:46:31] Bless you.

[00:46:32] Bless you, buddy.

[00:46:34] I saw someone on a, uh,

[00:46:36] he was streaming and someone was like,

[00:46:39] people were coming up with like weird conundrums that there are that exist in like mythology.

[00:46:45] Someone said,

[00:46:46] it always bothers me that centaurs have two rib cages.

[00:46:50] The guy, the guy pulled out like a little blank sheet of paper and just did this, like wrote a, did a box and did another box.

[00:46:58] It's like ribs on one and ribs on the other.

[00:47:00] And he goes,

[00:47:02] Hmm.

[00:47:03] That's gonna, I think you said like, that's gonna annoy me for the rest of my life.

[00:47:08] Yeah.

[00:47:08] Is there spine?

[00:47:09] Like one big spine.

[00:47:11] Yeah.

[00:47:11] Does it go straight down?

[00:47:13] Two spines?

[00:47:14] Like a fish little spine or is it like they have one rib cage and then another one rib cage.

[00:47:18] I think like, who are merpeople breeding with?

[00:47:22] They would for sure.

[00:47:23] All manner of sea creatures.

[00:47:25] Probably all sorts of half breed of weird merpeople in the, in the sea.

[00:47:28] I feel like a, like low key, a goblin and a mermaid.

[00:47:35] And they could have like the underwater treasure and they could like guard that.

[00:47:40] Yeah.

[00:47:41] A grindalow is a, they're like little water demons.

[00:47:46] And that is probably like a goblin and a mermaid getting together and they produced a grindalow.

[00:47:51] And they're just living.

[00:47:52] What about like a house elf and a grindalow?

[00:47:55] Ooh, dang.

[00:47:56] I need to see all of the species and then I can match make all of them.

[00:48:00] I think you would actually love when you finish a series, you should read a fantastic

[00:48:04] beast and where to find them.

[00:48:05] I feel like that would be up your alley because it's literally all the creatures.

[00:48:09] I think I explained this one to you, right?

[00:48:11] Oh no.

[00:48:11] You mentioned it like so many times that I feel like I understand what it's about.

[00:48:15] It's just like an encyclopedia in a dictionary of all the, all the different animals in the

[00:48:18] magic magical world.

[00:48:20] That sounds awesome.

[00:48:21] It's incredible.

[00:48:21] And then he like rates the guy who writes it rates them on a scale of one single X to

[00:48:26] triple or to five time X to see how dangerous they are.

[00:48:30] And so you see how like dangerous all these different creatures are.

[00:48:33] And like he talks about the Phoenix and how no one's really been able to ever able to tame

[00:48:37] one.

[00:48:37] But like there's a few, you know.

[00:48:38] So that's like when I'm looking online at the, whatever the wizard thing is called.

[00:48:47] That's like the fantastic beasts all combining all of that information into a book.

[00:48:52] Yep.

[00:48:53] Okay.

[00:48:54] I haven't like done research on anything in a while.

[00:48:57] I used to like literally be up at night, like looking at stuff and then I'll like scroll

[00:49:01] past the pictures really fast because I didn't want to spoil anything.

[00:49:03] I'll give you the fantastic beasts and where to find them.

[00:49:06] You can thumb through that later.

[00:49:07] There's no spoilers in that one.

[00:49:08] So should be, should be all right.

[00:49:11] It's a good one.

[00:49:12] That's kind of a fun.

[00:49:13] And people have done like illustrated versions of that.

[00:49:15] There's one, I forgot who did it, but someone did a really, really beautiful illustrated version

[00:49:18] of a, of that where they like drew in the creatures and it's like cool.

[00:49:22] Very, very cool.

[00:49:24] Um, well yeah.

[00:49:27] Any, uh, anything else in this chapter?

[00:49:31] Um, I really liked this line from Harry.

[00:49:37] Well, I forget what Hermione says, or I'm not going to read what Hermione says, but he

[00:49:41] goes, I thought you'd say that said Harry.

[00:49:43] He did not want to let his anger spill out at her, but it was hard to keep his voice steady.

[00:49:47] I thought you'd say they were young.

[00:49:49] They were the same age as we are now.

[00:49:51] And here we are risking our lives to fight the dark arts.

[00:49:54] And there he was in a huddle with his new best friend plotting their rise to power over

[00:49:58] the muggles.

[00:49:59] And then he got off and walked away.

[00:50:02] Yeah.

[00:50:02] But yeah, like that's kinda, I feel like him taking charge again and like more just

[00:50:07] like stepping into his role as like, like he knows what he has to do.

[00:50:11] And he's like, actually his heart's in it now.

[00:50:13] Yeah.

[00:50:14] And that's like what Dumbledore was saying.

[00:50:16] It's like, wouldn't you have done this anyway if there was no prophecy?

[00:50:19] Yeah, agreed.

[00:50:20] So, and then for Dumbledore to be like doing the exact opposite thing at the same age.

[00:50:26] I don't know.

[00:50:27] It's like, I always felt like Dumbledore admired Harry.

[00:50:30] So I feel like in the light of seeing Dumbledore's past, maybe he's like, there's like a little

[00:50:37] bit of hope that Dumbledore feels when he's looking at Harry.

[00:50:41] Yeah.

[00:50:42] Like he's doing all the good that I didn't do where he's like working against all of

[00:50:46] like the bad that I put into the world, something like that.

[00:50:50] I think that's a great point because Dumbledore does seem to admire Harry in certain ways.

[00:50:54] And like, this might be the reason for it because Dumbledore didn't live the life that Harry

[00:50:57] did.

[00:50:58] He had, I mean like he didn't have an easy life growing up, but like he wasn't choosing

[00:51:02] you know, great things.

[00:51:03] And Harry is over here, doesn't have anything in life, has his friends.

[00:51:08] And he's out there like actively fighting and like really choosing good.

[00:51:16] So yeah, that's a great point.

[00:51:18] Another thing was, okay, he just snuggles me.

[00:51:22] Isn't that so cute?

[00:51:24] How there's the eyeball in the locket.

[00:51:27] Yeah.

[00:51:27] That I was like totally shocked by.

[00:51:29] Yeah.

[00:51:30] And then I was like, eyes are the windows to the soul.

[00:51:33] And I was like, maybe the eye is something to do with the soul.

[00:51:36] And then I was like, I don't know if there's just other like soul tie type of situations

[00:51:43] in life.

[00:51:45] Cause like eyes are the windows to the soul.

[00:51:47] Yeah.

[00:51:47] But I couldn't think of anything else, but the lockets like the only one that's

[00:51:50] I just play a big part in this.

[00:51:52] There was even something that happened in, in Ron's eyes.

[00:51:55] This is Ron looked toward him and Harry thought he saw a trace of scarlet in his eyes.

[00:51:59] Yeah.

[00:51:59] And the eyes in the locket are the brown eyes, the normal eyes.

[00:52:06] So I don't know.

[00:52:07] That was really freaky to me.

[00:52:10] How did they get in there?

[00:52:11] Like, did he gouge him out or like, or like, is that his?

[00:52:16] Oh, did he have to like kill Tom Riddle?

[00:52:18] Was like Tom Riddle the murder for that Horcrux?

[00:52:21] And then like Tom Riddle's like eyes are in the locket and then he became Voldemort.

[00:52:26] And Tom Riddle isn't his father, Tom Riddle?

[00:52:29] I don't know.

[00:52:29] Tom Riddle is Voldemort.

[00:52:31] But he's like so subhuman at this point.

[00:52:35] Yeah.

[00:52:35] Because that's when you kept bringing up like Tom Riddle and Voldemort could exist together.

[00:52:40] Yeah, that's a weird one.

[00:52:42] In some capacity.

[00:52:42] But it would be like two, yeah, that would be really weird.

[00:52:45] So he never had to kill Tom Riddle?

[00:52:47] No.

[00:52:47] He just like devolved into...

[00:52:50] It's kind of like...

[00:52:50] Yeah.

[00:52:50] Have you seen Star Wars?

[00:52:51] No.

[00:52:52] We'll have to do a first time of that.

[00:53:00] From good and like pure person.

[00:53:03] Like very innocent.

[00:53:04] And it's their slow de-evolution to a reprehensible like evil person.

[00:53:12] It's like the person's not recognizable.

[00:53:14] Is that like the red face person?

[00:53:15] The what?

[00:53:15] Is that the person with like the black and red face?

[00:53:18] Black and red face.

[00:53:19] I don't know.

[00:53:20] It's Darth Maul.

[00:53:21] It's one of my favorite characters.

[00:53:22] I love Darth Maul.

[00:53:24] We'll have to do a first time watch of that.

[00:53:26] That's gonna be great.

[00:53:27] That's not a book, right?

[00:53:28] That's just...

[00:53:28] I know it's a movie.

[00:53:28] We can do a first time watch of that.

[00:53:30] I'm down for that.

[00:53:31] Sounds phenomenal.

[00:53:31] The only Star Wars scene I've seen is when they're like in the thing and the walls are

[00:53:38] closing in.

[00:53:39] Oh yeah, yeah.

[00:53:39] That's it.

[00:53:40] Yeah.

[00:53:40] That's a good one.

[00:53:41] That's it.

[00:53:41] Dude, I'm pumped.

[00:53:42] This is gonna be great.

[00:53:43] Do a lot of Star Wars with you.

[00:53:44] What if we just watch movies for August and then start reading?

[00:53:48] Yeah, I am so down for that.

[00:53:49] Because I need more time to get the artwork for the podcast anyway.

[00:53:52] That's...

[00:53:53] There's been a little hold up in that.

[00:53:54] I'm working with the studio right now, so...

[00:53:56] I'm eating all of your Scandinavian swimmers.

[00:53:57] You can finish those.

[00:53:58] Those have just been sitting there for like a week, two weeks.

[00:54:02] Are these the ones that I bought?

[00:54:03] Yep.

[00:54:04] Okay.

[00:54:04] They're great.

[00:54:05] I don't eat them fast though.

[00:54:07] So you can knock them out.

[00:54:08] They're quite large.

[00:54:10] Hmm.

[00:54:11] Um...

[00:54:11] Anyway.

[00:54:12] Yeah.

[00:54:13] Thanks for joining us on our journey of Harry Potter and the second time reader.

[00:54:18] Bye.

[00:54:19] See ya.

[00:54:20] Bye.

[00:54:20] Bye.