Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Ch 16-17

[00:00:00] Where is the sword of Godric Gryffindor?

[00:00:02] Oh my gosh, great question.

[00:00:04] Let me tell you.

[00:00:09] Bend over and I'll show you.

[00:00:11] Yes.

[00:00:12] National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

[00:00:14] Oh nice.

[00:00:14] You know, I almost could have gotten that.

[00:00:15] I did not understand that reference.

[00:00:17] Her movie Clones.

[00:00:18] Oh no.

[00:00:18] Oh, it's so good.

[00:00:20] What?

[00:00:20] I didn't understand that reference went right over my head.

[00:00:22] Oh.

[00:00:23] Oh, do you not know that movie?

[00:00:24] I've seen it a long time ago.

[00:00:26] I've seen it one time.

[00:00:27] I have the whole thing memorized.

[00:00:28] Yeah, that's fake and we're trusting these goblins. It's fake, whatever, whatever. But when was it swapped out? Was

[00:01:41] it swapped out before Voldemort created a Horcrux or after? Is like what a worthy Gryffindor is. So what I'm thinking is the sword might actually show up to Harry from wherever it is when the time comes, when he's being a worthy Gryffindor. So it almost made me think, do you really have to be looking for the sword? I don't know if I totally, but like where you have to be because he could have had that when he was fighting

[00:03:01] Voldemort.

[00:03:01] Hmm.

[00:03:03] Wait, where is the fake sword right now?

[00:03:05] Because he had a wand.

[00:03:06] You know what I was thinking while you were talking?

[00:03:08] Yeah, yeah're right. On anything. And anytime he did try to ask once about the ring, he have helped in these other situations but Harry needed the sword against the basilisk so what I'm thinking is the sword will appear

[00:05:42] when he's worthy and when he needs the sword like when the sword would actually Got it. Yeah. And that was like his last, what was that? The goblins, what was that chapter called? Goblins revenge. And the revenge was that they said it was the real thing and they hit it in the vault, but really it's a fake sword. Right. So a snake probably thinks it's a fake sword. Voldemort probably thinks it's a real thing.

[00:07:00] Or they all know,

[00:07:01] Snape probably thinks it's a real sword.

[00:07:02] Voldemort probably thinks it's a real sword.

[00:07:04] All the death eaters probably think it's a real sword

[00:07:06] and it's hiding away in there. So where else in the school could Dumbledore hide something? Your room. You said that. Of requirement? My room. Yeah. The one with the tiara. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, nice.

[00:08:21] Drag on about that tiara.

[00:08:23] But it also could be somewhere else.

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[00:10:41] Then they go to the graveyard, they're walking around by the church.

[00:10:43] It's Christmas Eve, I think.

[00:10:45] They're trying to be like subtle about things

[00:10:47] and be quiet and then the chapter ends

[00:10:50] where they actually find his parents' grave.

[00:10:52] And we see Harry being really vulnerable

[00:10:54] and he's like crying and it's kind of a sweet moment.

[00:10:57] So quiet chapter, a lot of like suspense

[00:11:00] and emotional angst trying to find the grave,

[00:11:03] which it didn't feel as big leading up to it.

[00:11:06] And then this chapter, it did feel big. find them, so what would he do? Like, I just have this hope that Ron's out there doing good stuff for the cause, so to speak. But what would that be? He still has to kind of stay quiet and hidden and stuff. But, I mean, not necessarily. He could go try and find his parents, but they're being watched. He could go to school and try to sneak around.

[00:12:22] Like, what could he be doing to kind of further

[00:12:24] their mission when he doesn't even really know

[00:12:27] what the mission is? on seeing death. I can't remember. It depends how far he was from Moody, if Moody died. Could he have seen that maybe in the sky, but that's the only thing I can think of. I don't know if he saw that. No kids though. I don't know, yeah, that's a great question. I don't think he is. I don't think he did.

[00:13:40] Wasn't there for Cedric?

[00:13:42] And then Dumbledore, no.

[00:13:44] No.

[00:13:46] It would have had to been this sometime in this book a thestral can take you where you want to go. So you're thinking of the thestrals as having um oh they don't have detectives on people? I don't know like it seems like they understand and they can do certain things and it's the same kind of mystery as owls maybe if you say hey owl go find this person how do they find them I don't know it's like a homing pigeon they

[00:15:02] just know how to go home is that same thing told it to go there? Or did it go to Ron because he told him- I think it went to the person. But then I was thinking, does it relay information back? Or it's literally just to give a warning.

[00:16:22] Like, do you even know that it got to the person? That is a good question.

[00:16:24] And then, does Voldemort have a Patronus?

[00:16:27] Can he cast a Patronus? John's quizzing himself right now. Well this is good, this is for trivia. And we know Tonks is a wolf now or a... Yeah, Tonks is a wolf. Probably a wolf. Um, Dumbledore's was a phoenix. Uh huh.

[00:17:40] Um...

[00:17:41] Was sad.

[00:17:42] Did we?

[00:17:43] Maybe it's not a wolf.

[00:17:45] What was Umbridges? Was that a cat?

[00:17:46] Yeah, it was a cat.

[00:17:47] Okay.

[00:17:48] It was a seal. You're just like flopping around like a little.

[00:19:02] A beetle.

[00:19:03] A beetle, yeah.

[00:19:04] Yeah, like that kind of does stink.

[00:19:05] Imagine that though.

[00:19:06] But no, but that's a good one.

[00:19:07] It's whereabouts. So that's why they like shut him up and said, we can't do this anymore because it's like trying to figure another painting nearby. And now you've got all these death eaters that are flying around. What if they're doing little subsonic whistles or something else that like could be heard or be like, oh, I heard it this time. It was kind of nearby or whatever.

[00:21:41] I'm just thinking it's dangerous

[00:21:43] to let someone potentially evil into your tent.

[00:21:46] And you could simplify I missed that. I thought that he was like coming back to give information about Snape. So you kind of trust him. You're thinking Phineas is... I don't know what was... I don't know what was said in the chat.

[00:23:04] It's a little foggy to you.

[00:24:05] That means he's the official headmaster and the portraits have to listen to him. Yeah, so they don't have a choice I think literally Dumbledore's portrait has to listen to Snape right now

[00:24:09] Interesting and and that's what I'm saying like to an extent like they they have free will but yeah still there's a code

[00:24:15] Yeah guilt. There's like his double door would be stuff in Finneas. I just put his

[00:24:21] Yeah, wait what

[00:24:24] Dobby is free. Um. Until we're here till tomorrow morning. Yeah. How about this on the gravestones?

[00:25:40] Because I want to talk about the gravestones for a bit.

[00:25:42] It says this.

[00:25:43] Or it could be there.

[00:25:44] Hmm?

[00:25:45] In the graves.

[00:25:46] Ooh, yeah.

[00:25:46] It could be under one of the graves. No, no, wait a moment. Here you look closer. Isn't it the same symbol Luna's dad is wearing around his neck? Well, that's what I thought too. Then it's Grindelwald's mark. What does that all mean for the story? This little mark has been inked in to this book and it's Grindelwald's mark. The Dumbledore has something to do with it

[00:27:02] because he gave Hermione that book for a reason.

[00:27:07] And maybe they're friends. and only grudgingly made his way back through the snow toward her. What? Look at this. The grave was extremely old, whether it's that Harry could hardly make out the name. Hermione showed him the symbol beneath it. Harry, that's the mark in the book. And then Harry kind of moves on. What about his dome? Mm. He's looking for his parents.

[00:28:20] He's dead set on finding his parents' grave.

[00:28:21] Yeah, he was very distracted.

[00:28:23] He lost sight of it a little bit.

[00:28:25] Is that the same mark?

[00:28:27] Hermione seems convinced of it. Oh, that's a great point. We don't know the first name. It literally could be Grindelwald's grave. But what are the chances? We know Grindelwald's name though. We know Grindelwald's first and last name. We do? Yeah. Gellert Grindelwald. Oh, nice, nice. Gellert Grindelwald. With a G. Gellert. With a G. I believe that was on the chocolate frog card. Oh, nice.

[00:29:40] It might've just been his last name,

[00:29:41] but we know his name is Gellert.

[00:29:43] Okay, nice, yeah.

[00:29:44] That it did come up at some point, as you're saying it,

[00:29:47] I don't think it was the chocolate frog, It feels like there's more here. And by the end of this chapter, Imagine Harry starts digging up the grave, exhuming his parents dead parents body. That's pretty rough. Is there a sword? Could there be something more like the treasure is more of like you're saying something to be discovered, like unlocked, like a code or like something with the deluminator, like some other kind of combination of things to reveal something here.

[00:31:01] Maybe the book she's reading it wrong.

[00:31:04] Maybe there's codes in there.

[00:31:05] She doesn't even know.

[00:31:06] How would she do it with? in a way where like you go, like what if the deluminator is supposed to go with the book? The deluminator and is the snitch a part of this equation? Sure. Because one of you have to go somewhere dark and then he does the deluminator to make it extra dark

[00:32:23] and then with that it lightens up pages. I mean it's worth trying. I'm kind of mindset. And so even if Dumbledore wasn't writing that inscription saying someday somebody's gonna need this as a clue or I'm gonna hide something really important where one's heart might be, it still gives us the idea of,

[00:33:41] maybe it's not Harry's heart we're talking about,

[00:33:44] maybe it's Dumbledore's, where Dumbledore's heart is,

[00:33:47] is where the treasure is. as one. That's not broken. How about the other words on the Harry's parents grave sons? It says this, the headstone was only two rows behind Kendra and Ariana's. It was made of white marble, just like Dumbledore's tomb. And this made it easy to read. Has I forget what he was saying exactly. He says for the well-organized mind, death has been the next great adventure. Yeah, exactly.

[00:36:21] So death is the next great adventure, but it too. Death eating, question mark. Yeah. So, it means you know living beyond death, living after death. It doesn't mean defeating death

[00:37:40] in the way death eaters mean it.

[00:37:43] So just saying there's where my mind is going. I don't know. I don't really have much ground to stand on. But it's no, no, I know. For me, it's like the perspectives of how you're looking at it and how you're living your life and what you're living your life for. That's going to dictate how you perceive death. Because Hermione even says that he's she says to justify it. It's not really talking

[00:39:03] about a death eater idea. It's talking about life is this um Voldemort's hmm like he's the one that

[00:40:23] views death as the enemy and he's always wins. We still need to fight it. I think that kind of parallels this a little bit too. I think that's a good look for this. Yeah, that's interesting. That there may be fighting against death, which maybe Voldemort okay maybe it has roots here. So what does that mean? Does that mean that Grindelwald adopted this mark for some reason? Or he took it as like a new symbol for... Well what I'm actually kind of wondering is the reason we're thinking it's Grindelwald's is only from Crumb. Is it even Grindelwald's at all or

[00:43:02] did Crumb just misunderstand? Or was it someone else who was up at Durmstrang? I think you could get to them without raising red flags. So if Grindelwald is not the origin of this thing, what is the actual origin of this mark then? If this is- Godric Gryffindor. Because it's in Godric's Hollow, it's the oldest gravestone that we like interacted with. So I don't know who this dude is,

[00:44:20] the gravestone can't be that old.

[00:44:22] Or maybe wizards do better things to their gravestones,

[00:44:25] because our muggle gravestones can last hundreds of years.

[00:44:28] So maybe they've got something dad or son or like it could be a relative, but we've never seen it before. And what's it doing up at Dermstrang? And how did Grindelwald take over this symbol if it is something like that? Or did Dumbledore make it up? Is this a Dumbledore symbol? Why have we never seen it there? It seems older than all of them, to be honest. And whatever happened to Crockpot?

[00:45:41] I thought he was coming back for sure.

[00:45:44] He's the other Dermstrang loose end that like,

[00:45:47] he could still pop up. beneath the snow and stone, indifferent, unknowing. And tears came before he stopped them, boiling hot and instantly freezing on his face. And what was the point in wiping them off or pretending? He let them fall. His lips pressed hard together, looking down at the thick snow hiding from his eyes,

[00:47:00] the place where the last of Willie and James lay.

[00:47:04] Bones now, surely, or dust, feeling all these feelings. Yeah for real, yeah honestly. But sometimes they all just come out at a moment that you really don't expect and then you're like what the heck am I feeling? What is going on? What am I doing? Why am I crying? Yeah it's uh it's like deeper it's more subconscious. But it's good. I think I said this before on the podcast but I was someone that I followed a little

[00:48:22] while on social media they made a journal that every time they cried because they felt like and then they get quite a few. Yeah, you're right. Their graves are there. The monument. Another one at the house. It's a lot, but it's good, but it also made me a little annoyed at Dumbledore. You never brought Harry here. I know. I know. I know. I was like, show it like perfect, because then the same emotional journey he was able to kind of conclude could have happened earlier.

[00:49:40] And like, who else is visiting this thing? But Harry isn't.

[00:49:43] He's not seeing his own parents' graves, but maybe we blame Harry and say,

[00:50:41] He's never really seen them. Yeah, like a likeness of his parents.

[00:50:44] And the fact that he sees the graffiti as support

[00:50:48] and people who love him, I think that's pretty cool.

[00:50:53] Worth reading all that graffiti too.

[00:50:55] I'm like, message is hiding in the graffiti.

[00:50:57] What's in there?

[00:50:58] Dumbledore's graffiti is one of the corners.

[00:51:04] There is another one here that I wanna talk about. a little weird moment too where she says something from the other room and Hermione jumps and Harry's like, okay, let's keep going. I think she says like come here or something like that. Oh It sounded like a snake. It sounded like a snake so Hermione jumps saying what the heck is that? Oh, wow I didn't put that together. Yeah It's creepy. You know as soon as it smelled bad that put me on edge where I'm like

[00:52:24] Can you trust someone that doesn't smell good

[00:53:24] under the imperious or something else because it just means that the story would have been very influenced by Voldemort one way or another. Yeah for

[00:53:27] sure. Then this is a even one of Jen's questions that she's convinced on but

[00:53:33] the dust vanished from the photographs and you saw at once that half a dozen

[00:53:37] were missing from their largest and most ornate frames. He wondered whether

[00:53:40] Bithilda or somebody else had removed them. Then the sight of a photographer

[00:53:44] near the back of the windowsill.

[00:55:01] So Voldemort seems like he's after this person next.

[00:55:04] So is it Aberforth?

[00:55:06] Is it Elpheus?

[00:55:06] Is it Grindelwald?

[00:55:07] Is it someone else?

[00:55:08] Is it Crackbot? piecing things together. But he's older now anyway so it maybe wouldn't have mattered. Yeah. But we thought of Grindelwald as being dead and so how could he not be how could they find him now? Yeah. Unless it's his grave. I don't know. Wait you think of who is that? A Grindelwald. Like when Dumbledore defeated him

[00:56:23] I thought of the defeat as being a death defeat. Yeah. Man, that was pretty. And for me, maybe I'm picturing the movie too, but the maze at the end of the Triwizard Tournament, the hedges, all of that, that felt really creepy to me.

[00:57:40] So I would say those feel like the creepy moments,

[00:57:47] but I'm trying to think if there was anything else

[00:57:48] really creepy. It's the actual dust crunching. It reminds me of when I've trespassed at abandoned factories. And there's like pigeons have taken over. And you go upstairs and there's layers of poop. Just like pigeon poop. You literally inches thick as you go up and you're stepping on it and whatever. It's hard and crunchy. And that's what I'm picturing. Just like dust and ugh.

[00:59:01] Yeah, it is a gross place.

[00:59:02] But I think this was creepier.

[00:59:04] Was this creepier to you, Jen?

[00:59:06] Yep.

[00:59:07] Because they're.

[00:59:08] Nice.

[00:59:09] Thank you. His scream was Harry's scream. His pain was Harry's pain. That it could happen here, where it had happened before, here within sight of that house, where he had come so close to knowing what it was to die, to die. The pain was so terrible,

[01:00:20] ripped from his body. But if he had no body, why did his head hurt I'll do anything. Stand aside, stand aside, girl. He could have forced her away from the crib, but it seemed more prudent to finish them all. I'm gonna read another line in a second, but what do you think of the whole narrative that we actually got of this murder?

[01:01:45] Is there any clues in there

[01:01:46] that are gonna help that it's hiding, but I'm like I'm reading it like I don't know I know

[01:04:06] immediately and then just like walks after Lily and then he tells her to step like does that just seems outside of the character of Voldemort. He's taking extra

[01:04:10] time to like step aside. Yeah. Step aside. Like why? That doesn't make sense. No

[01:04:15] you're right it definitely doesn't it just can't quite connect it. I think it's

[01:04:20] a Potter thing. I think it's like they remember how we know it. Oh because in the in Snape's vision flashback. Yeah, the Evans. Yeah, okay. Yeah

[01:05:46] Okay, you're right. I don't know any Evans that was another one like Snape didn't do anything different. Because she wouldn't move. It's like, get out of my way. Hmm. No. Because there is something like she shielded him like this, so she could be like, get out of my way, watch me kill your son.

[01:07:01] Just gross.

[01:07:05] I guess, yeah, I don't know.

[01:07:07] Maybe he just got tired of it. a real Jedi force power. Yeah, for real. And if James was better at that, he wouldn't have to go over to the couch to get his wand. It would just be turn around, wand, fight Voldemort. I remember one of my favorite moments in the Star Wars series was the Dooku Yoda fight. And up until that point, we had never seen a Jedi just take their wand out of their holster like that. And there's this moment where Dooku grabs his with his hands.

[01:08:20] And Yoda just brushes aside his cloak and goes like this.

[01:08:24] And his lightsaber just falls into his hands.

[01:08:27] I was like, we're going to get right, you're all right. He stooped down and picked up the smash photograph. There he was, the unknown thief, the thief he was seeking. Did Harry just hand him the clue here? Because he must have already known, right? Did he already know? Yeah, that's a good question. This makes it feel like Harry gave it to him,

[01:09:40] something incredible.

[01:09:42] Like Voldemort was feeling like this was incredible.

[01:09:45] Not Harry.

[01:09:46] And then so it just feels like, the same way Harry is seeing from his eyes now. But then I feel like he must have run away from Harry. Again, because it said he must hide himself. He's nothing, pain and terror. So I feel like that plus Harry's natural capacity for love. Maybe he wouldn't have been able to survive in Harry's mind because even if he was the boy,

[01:11:00] it's not like he could just take over Harry and live.

[01:11:04] Harry wasn't too happy of a place. to park completely. Harry took it into his hands as though it were a living thing that had suffered a terrible injury. He could not think properly. Everything was a blur of panic and fear. Then he held out the wand to Hermione. Lumos. This is like after he like tried to mend it and the wand sparked feebly and then it went out. Harry pointed at Hermione. Expelliarmus. Hermione's wand gave a

[01:12:23] little jerk but it didn't leave her hand. exactly that's what I was thinking. But it's cool like if another wand can choose Harry then like where's Dumbledore's wand or what happened to his parents' wands? Why would Dumbledore's wand choose him? That's the question. I don't know. Why would any wand choose him?

[01:13:40] Yeah true why would any wand? Well why did this one They just bury it with them? Well, we don't know. Yeah. Like, I'm just saying, like, it's like a thousand, no, more than that. They can go grave digging and there's a lot of grave digging references. Grab some, uh, grab some wands. If that even is a thing, although grave digging as a wizard, there must be a quick way to do it. There's probably a spell for digging up a grave. Um,

[01:16:05] I'm going to kill and destroy Harry's wand here.

[01:16:08] Oof. Well, you know, I wasn't as negative as Harry was.

[01:16:13] I mean, I'm an optimistic person, but it also just felt like

[01:16:19] Hermione took the blame for breaking the wand and Harry accepted that and said, yeah, it is your fault, even in his own mind.

[01:16:21] And he was blaming her and was like mad at her.

[01:16:23] But I'm also thinking like, be glad you get out of this alive.

[01:16:27] You now got away from Voldemort again. The wand was really the only thing that was protecting Harry. Yeah. So maybe Harry's putting more faith in the wand than I was. Because I just wasn't like I was disappointed. I was like, oh, no. Like if it wasn't for the wand, Harry would have died very quickly in these books. In the Triwizard tournament at the end. In the graveyard. In the graveyard.

[01:17:40] Yep.

[01:17:41] It does seem that way.

[01:17:43] Maybe it's not really the wand.

[01:17:45] That's kind of what I'm hoping. to do here? Is he gonna find someone that works? It's gotta be his father's wand that is still stuck behind the cushions of the couch in that house. So is he gonna go back to the Godric's Hollow? I feel like there's a chance his heart is there and his treasure is also there. There's a chance there's a wand, there's a chance they have to actually go back

[01:19:02] to that gravestone and repair the fading close and in the picture it looks like it's still a little nunchucky. It's still hanging out by the feet. It looks like it kind of could be but it's genuinely hard to tell. Like it might've just re-snapped back to its nunchuck form. Yeah.

[01:20:23] But it could be broken broken. Yeah.

[01:20:24] Maybe, do we know any really great wizards who could repair? Juan is lying out, I'm sure the next chapter we'll talk about it a little bit. Give me your favorites. Who's your hot tamale? Who's your house cup winner? And what is your favorite moment in these two chapters? I think the connection to the symbol is kinda neat that Hermione, it's like finally like some answers.

[01:21:43] Like that she found the book and then on the gravestone.

[01:21:46] Yeah, yeah, you're right.

[01:21:47] That could be a favorite moment Yeah, you're right, we don't know anything. Yeah. Godric's Hollow. Yeah, no, I already said that because... Oh, you beat me. No, no, no, remember it's spelled differently, right? It is? Yeah, because I said that when we were speculating at the end of the last book where I was like, Oh, what if it's that? And then John, let me say stuff like along that line for a while.

[01:23:03] And then he's like, but the spelling.

[01:23:05] All right, yeah, true. emotions out. Yeah. And I'll let you do the rest of your things. I was gonna lead into more. And that's my favorite moment. My favorite one is that too when he's standing at the grave of his parents. I think that's one of the most emotionally brutal moments in the series when he really lets himself be vulnerable. So you see a lot of growth from Harry in that moment. I might have liked that too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Walking arm in arm through the kissing gate and holding hands. Just like it was cutesy and whatever. Friendship. I think it's cute. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was very supportive. Yeah. Yeah. But neither is a mother dying for her son. I mean, okay guys, let's be reasonable.

[01:25:42] I'm trying to find out.

[01:25:46] Danny's is way more of a model. Oh, I'd love to see that growth. That's good. Who are you? I'd love to see that growth. Someone who loves to see growth, you know? Because it was one of those things where the live read is not exactly conducive to tears, but if I was reading that by myself in the right moment, that could bring up some emotion.

[01:27:02] You know what I mean? Because it's like...

[01:27:04] I've never seen that.

[01:27:06] You've never seen me cry while reading Harry Potter?

[01:27:08] Nope. I think it's a Hermione area. I think so. I said so. I said so. Hermione. Good. Yeah. For House Cup. Well, thanks for running us on our journey of Harry Potter and the First