Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Ch 13-16

[00:00:00] Alright, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jon. I'm Lizzy. This is Harry Potter and the First Time Readers. Woo! Second time. Second time reader, Jon. We're so close to the end. I know. We're just gonna mess up on the very last podcast. I can't wait. We're gonna like, I'm gonna get used to it and figure it out and then all of a sudden we're gonna have to change. No, cuz then you'll be saying a fellowship. Yeah, a fellowship with the first time readers. Yep. Second time. So annoying. It's actually insulting cuz... Insulting my memory.

[00:00:43] It's like it's the first time for you. Come on. I've been obliviated. I know, seriously. I... Did I ever tell you... That you obliviated me? Yeah. Ugh. Did I ever tell you that if I would... For the... When people ask me the question, I mean, I don't get this question really ever anymore. But when people ask me what superhero... What superpower would you want? Ever told you my answer for that? That you would reread books for the first time. Have the superpower where I could flip it on and off. Wow, you know so much about me. It's crazy.

[00:01:11] I think that's such a unique answer. I've never heard anyone do that. Right? Everyone's like, flying, teleporting, being invisible. Reading books and watching movies and listening to music that I love. As if for the first time again.

[00:01:26] That'd be such a good one. Yeah. Like, you get the experience like... But like, I would want to turn it on and off. Because some movies are like comfort movies.

[00:01:32] I was talking to some people at the dog park this morning and I was talking about the movie Moneyball.

[00:01:37] And I was like, that is the most comfort movie for me. I'll flip that on anytime. And it's just like, I love it so much.

[00:01:41] But it'd be fun to watch for the first time again. Yeah.

[00:01:44] Some great movies out there. Yeah.

[00:01:46] Turning it on and off would be nice. Because then sometimes you want to like... Yeah.

[00:01:49] Watch it again and again and again. You need that comfort movie.

[00:01:53] What's the last movie that made you cry?

[00:02:02] Last one.

[00:02:04] I... Yeah, I was in the theater like silently.

[00:02:07] I was literally like...

[00:02:08] I had like my sweatshirt over my mouth.

[00:02:11] You get one of those where you're like...

[00:02:13] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:15] That was so bad.

[00:02:16] Like, literally the last 30 minutes of the movie was just like tears the entire time.

[00:02:22] From the moment, the ring...

[00:02:24] I forget what...

[00:02:26] Is like the ring...

[00:02:28] No, no, no. That was like way too early.

[00:02:29] I forget what started it, but once I started, I couldn't stop.

[00:02:33] And then, yeah.

[00:02:35] We were having a moment.

[00:02:37] It was crazy.

[00:02:38] The first time I saw that, the waterworks were just welling up.

[00:02:41] Every one of like the five ending scenes, I was like getting closer and closer to the point where as soon as they started sailing off, then I was like...

[00:02:48] Oh, I'm gone.

[00:02:51] The first time I watched it, like that was only my second time watching it.

[00:02:54] Yeah.

[00:02:55] So then for it to be in theaters was like really cool too.

[00:02:58] But the first time I watched it, I was a wreck.

[00:03:01] Second time, equally a wreck because I was like getting hit with all this new like understanding of what's going on.

[00:03:06] Yeah.

[00:03:07] Yeah.

[00:03:08] That was it.

[00:03:09] They're brutal.

[00:03:09] They're brutal.

[00:03:10] They're killers.

[00:03:11] All right.

[00:03:12] Back to Harry Potter.

[00:03:13] On chapter 13, the Muggle-born registration commission.

[00:03:16] Can you give me a summary of this one?

[00:03:19] I'll help you give some summaries.

[00:03:21] Yeah.

[00:03:21] Once again, I've just read these.

[00:03:24] I couldn't sleep last night and I was like, maybe I should use this time to like think about the questions of the book.

[00:03:29] And then I'm laying in bed.

[00:03:30] I'm like, open up the clothes.

[00:03:33] Open up the bones.

[00:03:34] I was like, what's the sword doing?

[00:03:36] But I had no new insights actually.

[00:03:39] So, oh well.

[00:03:40] But chapter 13 is in the ministry.

[00:03:46] And we're learning about Umbridge's job and how they're like filtering out all the Muggle-borns and the half-breeds or half-bloods.

[00:03:58] Yep.

[00:04:00] And they, Harry, Ron, and Hermione are all polyjuiced.

[00:04:04] Polyjuiced up.

[00:04:06] Yep.

[00:04:06] And they're like going through there in disguise.

[00:04:11] And then there's a trial and there's Dementors everywhere.

[00:04:15] And Patroni.

[00:04:17] Patroni, yeah.

[00:04:18] Patronuses.

[00:04:19] I guess Patronuses, but Patroni sounds cooler.

[00:04:21] It does sound cool.

[00:04:24] Yeah, and then they just like barely escape and then the chapter ends.

[00:04:27] Because it kind of all falls down at the end.

[00:04:29] They are getting caught because then the person that they polyjuiced is like standing in front of them.

[00:04:34] Uh-oh.

[00:04:36] Then they go down the toilet and that's it.

[00:04:38] Yep.

[00:04:39] Go down the toilet.

[00:04:40] This does all go down the toilet actually.

[00:04:42] This does, yeah.

[00:04:43] Metaphorically and physically.

[00:04:45] Physically, yeah.

[00:04:47] What did you think about Umbridge in this chapter?

[00:04:53] Classic Umbridge.

[00:04:54] Vile.

[00:04:55] Terrible woman.

[00:04:56] Vile.

[00:04:58] Yeah, and she's, I feel like she has a lot of job satisfaction and happiness too.

[00:05:04] She gets glee out of this.

[00:05:06] Makes it worse.

[00:05:07] And shockingly, she is casting a Patronus.

[00:05:12] Mm, I didn't even think about that.

[00:05:14] Which is kind of freaky.

[00:05:16] Her little cat.

[00:05:17] Like what is her joy?

[00:05:18] Her joy is prosecuting people and doing this evil.

[00:05:21] That's probably why it can last so long in that room.

[00:05:23] It's because her joy is like in that moment.

[00:05:25] Yeah, her joy is in that room doing what she's doing.

[00:05:29] She loves it.

[00:05:31] She's filthy.

[00:05:32] She's vile.

[00:05:33] She is.

[00:05:34] Oh my gosh.

[00:05:35] Scum.

[00:05:37] And then the mad eye eye is in her door.

[00:05:42] She's like watching over them.

[00:05:43] Yep.

[00:05:43] Does she see through that?

[00:05:45] Or like that's a keyhole?

[00:05:48] I guess it's like, yeah, maybe like a keyhole.

[00:05:49] But maybe she has like a little like, you know, TV monitor on her desk.

[00:05:52] She pops up and she can see outside.

[00:05:53] I feel like there's better uses you can have for that to be honest.

[00:05:55] I was thinking like carrying it around with you.

[00:05:58] Yeah.

[00:05:58] Like that would be more helpful.

[00:05:59] Like I like your little idea, like where is a necklace?

[00:06:01] And like, you know, have a little set of glasses that you can see out.

[00:06:04] Or like pluck out.

[00:06:05] I'm surprised to be completely honest.

[00:06:07] Umbridge didn't pluck out her own eye.

[00:06:08] Honestly.

[00:06:08] And pop it in.

[00:06:09] I feel like that's something she would do.

[00:06:11] Did we say that off podcast?

[00:06:13] Like making it a necklace and putting it in that triangle thing?

[00:06:17] Yeah.

[00:06:18] That would be a good idea.

[00:06:19] Like in Xenophilius's necklace, put that eyeball in the eyeball or whatever the circle is.

[00:06:26] I guess it's an eye.

[00:06:29] But yeah, I feel like magicking your own eye out could be pretty painless too.

[00:06:34] Yeah.

[00:06:34] Right.

[00:06:35] I feel like it wouldn't be that bad.

[00:06:36] I feel like you can like, I wonder actually if there's.

[00:06:38] She's too vain to like have a weird looking eye though.

[00:06:40] Yeah.

[00:06:41] That's kind of true.

[00:06:43] But she's too vain.

[00:06:44] That's that.

[00:06:46] That hangs over her eye.

[00:06:48] That would be crazy.

[00:06:50] She's annoying because she definitely like thinks that she is stunning and beautiful and gorgeous.

[00:06:54] And like, you know, she thinks very highly of herself.

[00:06:57] I don't picture her like bad looking necessarily.

[00:07:01] Really?

[00:07:01] Or all of the toad like descriptions.

[00:07:04] I just picture her very short, very round, very pink and like fluffed out with doilies and glitter.

[00:07:12] It's the worst.

[00:07:13] It's the worst.

[00:07:14] But I just picture like a normal woman face.

[00:07:16] Not like.

[00:07:17] Yeah.

[00:07:18] Like the book that you have with the pictures.

[00:07:20] She's like a little witch.

[00:07:21] She's like a little.

[00:07:22] That's.

[00:07:23] I know what she looks like in that.

[00:07:24] And that's, I guess, more accurate.

[00:07:26] You're going to like her in the movies then.

[00:07:27] In the movie, she is.

[00:07:28] Imelda Stanton.

[00:07:30] She does great.

[00:07:32] Like everyone hates her so much in the movies because she's like, she takes a character and does something a little bit different with Umbridge and does fantastically like really good.

[00:07:42] So I think you're going to like her.

[00:07:43] You can only look so toad like.

[00:07:45] Yeah, I know.

[00:07:45] As a normal human.

[00:07:46] Yeah.

[00:07:46] Like there's definitely like a mouth thing that I'm picturing being toad like, you know, like downturned.

[00:07:52] But boils.

[00:07:55] A slight green tinge.

[00:07:57] Mm hmm.

[00:07:59] This is when they learn Harry is now named undesirable number one.

[00:08:03] What do you think about all the changes that have happened in the ministry of magic?

[00:08:08] It's all happening so fast.

[00:08:10] Yeah.

[00:08:11] And illegally.

[00:08:12] Yeah, illegally.

[00:08:13] Yeah.

[00:08:14] I don't know.

[00:08:16] Like what's the split of good people and bad people in the ministry?

[00:08:21] Because there's it seems like there's a handful of good people.

[00:08:26] But I feel like the bad people are more powerful.

[00:08:29] Like they're the judges.

[00:08:31] Yeah.

[00:08:31] They're the law writers.

[00:08:32] They're the higher ups.

[00:08:33] Yeah.

[00:08:34] So then at that point, you're just like.

[00:08:37] Pushing against your superiors, which never really works out in your favor.

[00:08:41] As a sign of if you are on the good side of this, either in Hogwarts or in the ministry of magic, what would you do?

[00:08:48] Would you get up and quit and leave?

[00:08:50] Or would you like, you know, fight the good fight, stick it out and like try to like solve it?

[00:08:54] All the problems went from within.

[00:08:57] I would stick it out for a while and try and do what I can.

[00:09:00] But then if I couldn't do anything legally, then I would like stay in the ministry and start doing good things illegally and like slip people's paperwork and like destroy files and stuff like that.

[00:09:16] But you're going to say slip people's throats.

[00:09:18] Slip.

[00:09:19] Or what did I say?

[00:09:21] Slip people's paperwork.

[00:09:22] Slip people's paperwork.

[00:09:23] Yeah.

[00:09:23] Slip people's paperwork.

[00:09:23] I thought.

[00:09:24] Like when Harry was looking in that file, I was like, oh, surely he's just going to destroy

[00:09:27] Mr. Weasley's file.

[00:09:28] Right.

[00:09:28] He should have.

[00:09:29] It's ridiculous that he didn't.

[00:09:30] I know.

[00:09:31] And I guess maybe like Mr. Weasley is pretty like an obvious target.

[00:09:36] They're going to notice when he's not around or his file's missing or everybody just

[00:09:41] knows, oh yeah, undesirable number one's always with the Weasleys.

[00:09:44] So that would be like a tell.

[00:09:46] Yeah.

[00:09:47] A telltale sign that somebody was messing.

[00:09:49] But they don't have a digital system.

[00:09:51] You just rip that sucker up and just be done with it.

[00:09:54] And you know, they mentioned something about Filch's cabinet again.

[00:09:58] And I was like, oh, I was reminded of Lupin looking at his file and maybe looking for the

[00:10:05] Marauder's map.

[00:10:07] Do you remember that?

[00:10:08] Yeah.

[00:10:08] And the Boggart.

[00:10:09] Because he had, um, Filch had Quickspell there and then he had all his other stuff,

[00:10:15] all the confiscated items.

[00:10:17] Yeah.

[00:10:17] But then Lupin found the Boggart in his filing cabinet.

[00:10:20] That's right.

[00:10:20] Yeah.

[00:10:21] So then this was like another filing cabinet.

[00:10:25] Filch's just has heaps of filing cabinets, all with weird stuff in them.

[00:10:31] Would you want to snoop around in there?

[00:10:33] Yeah.

[00:10:35] In the mystery magical things?

[00:10:37] Yeah.

[00:10:38] Yes.

[00:10:38] That'd be so cool.

[00:10:40] The Department of Mysteries?

[00:10:41] Yeah.

[00:10:42] But Filch's cabinet too, where he's like confiscating everything.

[00:10:45] Filch has some weird stuff there.

[00:10:46] I'd be very, very like icky to like open a drawer because I'm like, okay, what am I going

[00:10:50] to find in this drawer?

[00:10:51] Yeah.

[00:10:51] I would love, I would spend weeks in the room of requirement where, uh, um, they're

[00:10:59] like hiding stuff and where there's mountains and mountains of cool stuff there.

[00:11:03] I would love that.

[00:11:04] I would just like roam it the entire day and just trying to find some cool stuff.

[00:11:08] I feel like you would hide out there in general.

[00:11:10] Like you would go there after class.

[00:11:11] Yeah, definitely.

[00:11:12] Yeah.

[00:11:12] And just like keep your stuff there.

[00:11:14] Yeah.

[00:11:15] A few of my friends were dumpster divers when they were in college.

[00:11:19] So I went with them a few times and they found some great stuff.

[00:11:22] They found some cool stuff.

[00:11:23] One of my friends, I still don't know how he did it.

[00:11:25] He, it was like the adrenaline of the moment.

[00:11:27] It was one of the craziest things.

[00:11:28] We found a safe, like a sizable safe.

[00:11:32] I want to say like a foot and a half by a foot and a half, like a big chunky safe.

[00:11:35] Safe.

[00:11:37] And, uh, none of us knew like he, we were in this, like rooting around in this little,

[00:11:43] um, dumpster and my friend pulls it up and puts it over his head.

[00:11:47] Says, I found a safe.

[00:11:49] And then he come, he like gets off the dumpster and like puts it down.

[00:11:53] And then we had a hard time picking that safe up because it was so heavy.

[00:11:57] And we were all like, Dave, how the heck did you pick this up and put this over your head?

[00:12:02] And he tried to do it again and he couldn't do it.

[00:12:03] And he was like, dude, that must've been adrenaline.

[00:12:05] I thought we found like the mother load in there.

[00:12:07] It was open.

[00:12:08] Like it was a dented safe and there was nothing in it, obviously, but we were like, it was

[00:12:12] so heavy.

[00:12:13] I was surprised that he was able to do that.

[00:12:14] That's so funny.

[00:12:14] Yeah.

[00:12:16] But yeah, Umbridge is able to cast a Patronus, which is disgusting.

[00:12:19] Like everything that they're doing in the ministry is gross and it's happening too quick and

[00:12:22] everything seems illegal.

[00:12:23] And you know, it is, it's pretty, it's pretty terrible.

[00:12:27] Hermione can't cast a Patronus though.

[00:12:29] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:30] Why not?

[00:12:31] Yeah.

[00:12:31] Why not?

[00:12:33] I don't know.

[00:12:33] Is all of her happiness like with her family and then like her parents are, don't love her,

[00:12:39] don't know her anymore?

[00:12:41] That's a great point.

[00:12:43] Hermione's been through a lot.

[00:12:45] She probably can't conjure up enough happiness at this moment that she can cast a Patronus.

[00:12:50] It's probably something similar to like, cause she hasn't done it in the last few pages.

[00:12:55] The last like in this entire book really.

[00:12:59] She's always had a slight difficulty casting a Patronus, I think.

[00:13:02] It's not like it doesn't come easy and naturally to her like it does Harry.

[00:13:07] But yeah, I would say maybe cause her, she left for like, she's oblivionated her parents.

[00:13:13] She's like left the school that she loves.

[00:13:17] She's gone through a lot of stuff.

[00:13:19] I don't feel like she has a big thing in her past though.

[00:13:24] Like Neville.

[00:13:25] Yeah, for sure.

[00:13:26] Or Harry.

[00:13:27] But, and I never really was like, oh, she's depressed.

[00:13:30] But maybe she's just like so nose to the grindstone that she doesn't enjoy life.

[00:13:37] Mm-hmm.

[00:13:37] And then now she has like no happy memories cause she's like not having fun necessarily.

[00:13:42] Or like her enjoyment is kind of like, I don't know, not very powerful.

[00:13:49] Like she's just having a good time with Ron and Harry, but it's like not enough to cast a Patronus.

[00:13:55] Cause there's no spectacular Hermione moments other than like getting her grades and stuff.

[00:14:01] But I feel like you get that and you're like, good, I did my job.

[00:14:04] Yeah.

[00:14:04] It's not like a over the moon type of happiness.

[00:14:09] Yeah, that's very true.

[00:14:10] And maybe a school is like where she kind of completely found all of her identity wrapped up.

[00:14:15] Like she was able to excel in school.

[00:14:16] So now she's out in the real world.

[00:14:17] It's kind of hitting her a little harder.

[00:14:19] And she's like, I don't have this thing I can fall back on and be the best dad.

[00:14:22] I actually have to figure out stuff.

[00:14:23] She's still the best, but she's having an identity crisis right now.

[00:14:28] Hmm.

[00:14:29] That's interesting.

[00:14:29] I never really thought about that.

[00:14:30] I always thought that she was just like in a dark place, almost like physically here where she's like, you know,

[00:14:36] the dementors are chasing after her and she's just scared and stressed.

[00:14:40] I haven't really thought of like about the backstory for that, for why she really can't.

[00:14:43] I think Harry said she's always struggled with it too.

[00:14:46] Yeah.

[00:14:48] What is her Patronus?

[00:14:49] The otter?

[00:14:50] Yeah, she's got an otter.

[00:14:53] And Ron is from Ottery St. Catchpole.

[00:14:56] So there you go.

[00:14:57] Look at that.

[00:14:58] Otter's a cool one.

[00:14:59] Otter is a cool one.

[00:15:00] Honestly, the cat's a cool one too.

[00:15:02] Yeah.

[00:15:04] Except Umbridge is the worst.

[00:15:06] How she's able to, how she's able to like cast this Patronus is disgusting.

[00:15:09] It's awful.

[00:15:11] Reprehensible.

[00:15:12] Reprehensible.

[00:15:13] As one might say.

[00:15:14] Yep.

[00:15:17] Conundrum.

[00:15:20] Was Harry stupid for taking the eye?

[00:15:26] I guess it turns out to be stupid that he gets the eye.

[00:15:29] Would you have taken it?

[00:15:32] Yeah.

[00:15:34] I don't know.

[00:15:35] So I maybe would have like replaced it with something.

[00:15:39] Okay.

[00:15:40] Or put it in the back of my mind and said, I'll come back tomorrow after I like make another

[00:15:44] eyeball and do a little swap.

[00:15:47] But yeah, just removing somebody's prized possession of someone they killed.

[00:15:52] It's like, I don't know.

[00:15:54] Was Umbridge like the Death Eater that killed Moody?

[00:15:58] Umbridge isn't a Death Eater.

[00:15:59] Did Snape kill Moody?

[00:16:02] Who killed Moody?

[00:16:03] Because we don't know.

[00:16:03] And it could have been Umbridge and that could have been her like trophy.

[00:16:06] Yeah, it could have been.

[00:16:07] Because she could have been there for sure.

[00:16:09] I feel like she could be a Death Eater.

[00:16:10] There was like 30 Death Eaters too.

[00:16:12] So they're all like rejoining.

[00:16:13] Yeah.

[00:16:14] At this moment, we don't know if Umbridge is a Death Eater or not.

[00:16:16] We assume that she's not and she just works in government and she's as corrupt as anything.

[00:16:19] I assume she is.

[00:16:21] Mm-hmm.

[00:16:22] Interesting assumption.

[00:16:25] We'll find out what happens.

[00:16:26] Yes.

[00:16:28] Anything else in this chapter?

[00:16:30] Oh, the end.

[00:16:33] At the end of this, this is the line that you get.

[00:16:37] Let's go, Harry yelled.

[00:16:38] He seized Hermione by the hand and Ron by the arm and turned on the spot.

[00:16:43] Darkness engulfed him, along with the sensation of compressing bands.

[00:16:46] But something was wrong.

[00:16:47] Hermione's hand seemed to be sliding out of his grip.

[00:16:49] He wondered whether he was going to suffocate.

[00:16:51] He could not breathe or see.

[00:16:53] The only sound things in the world were Ron's arm and Hermione's finger, which were slowly slipping away.

[00:16:57] And then he saw the door number 12 grim all placed with its serpent door knocker.

[00:17:01] But before he could draw a breath, there was a scream and a flash of purple light.

[00:17:05] Hermione's hand was suddenly vice-like upon his and everything went dark again.

[00:17:11] Let's get into the chapter about it.

[00:17:12] What has happened here?

[00:17:13] Because you know in the next chapter what's happened.

[00:17:15] But like, give me an explanation.

[00:17:16] What do you think really has happened?

[00:17:18] And do you think...

[00:17:20] So, actually, let's go to the next chapter and talk about this.

[00:17:22] The next one is the thief, but...

[00:17:27] What was your question?

[00:17:28] I was thinking about the necklace because this is where they get the locket too.

[00:17:32] And she goes, oh, it's a family heirloom from the Selwyns or whatever.

[00:17:36] And so she wasn't even saying it was like a Slytherin thing.

[00:17:39] Yeah, so she thinks it's a Selwyn thing.

[00:17:41] So she's related to the Selwyns.

[00:17:43] But she's really lying.

[00:17:44] She probably just really likes this.

[00:17:45] Maybe she thinks it's a family heirloom.

[00:17:47] Maybe she's that delusional that she kind of thinks that.

[00:17:51] I thought like she would want it if it was the Slytherin thing.

[00:17:56] Yeah, she definitely would.

[00:17:58] Maybe she's lying about that.

[00:17:59] Maybe it's the Slytherin thing to detract people from having attention on it.

[00:18:03] She's saying it's a Selwyn heirloom.

[00:18:05] Could be that.

[00:18:06] Because if it's Slytherin's locket, then it would be like more desirable for everyone.

[00:18:10] People would probably be coming after her.

[00:18:11] Yeah.

[00:18:12] So she could be lying about it, but she could also just be thinking that that's the truth.

[00:18:17] She could be just a liar.

[00:18:20] And she's like wants to seem more important.

[00:18:23] So she's giving it value, but she's not giving it enough value because it's Slytherin heirloom,

[00:18:27] which is more important than Selwyn family.

[00:18:31] Yeah, I don't know if she knows what it is or not.

[00:18:33] Yeah.

[00:18:34] I haven't decided.

[00:18:36] And is Yaxley, Yaxley?

[00:18:39] Mm-hmm.

[00:18:40] He's a Death Eater or he's a good guy?

[00:18:43] He's a Death Eater.

[00:18:44] We saw him in the beginning at Voldemort's council.

[00:18:47] Yeah.

[00:18:49] So he was there.

[00:18:51] Anyway, what was your question about the end of the chapter?

[00:18:55] So the end of the chapter, they kind of found out that can't go back to Grimwald Place.

[00:18:58] But do you think that's a legitimate thing or not?

[00:18:59] Do you think that they actually gave Yaxley access to 12 Grimwald Place or are they just being too paranoid about it?

[00:19:04] Hermione said she was on the doorstep with him and brought him there.

[00:19:09] And then she left him there.

[00:19:11] So I think if you bring them to the doorstep, they're already past all the magic.

[00:19:16] I don't think the Dumbledore thing coming up out of the floor is going to really scare anybody that much.

[00:19:23] So I would assume that they're in there.

[00:19:25] And then he probably does go, I found one of the locations with all the magic.

[00:19:29] I have an inn.

[00:19:30] And then, yeah, I think the secret keeper thing is ruined.

[00:19:34] And then I felt bad for creature.

[00:19:36] Right.

[00:19:36] So like now I like creature.

[00:19:38] And then immediately after he's, I guess, like, I don't understand why.

[00:19:43] Oh, no, Harry can't just summon him because then everybody's going to realize.

[00:19:49] Creature's going to Harry.

[00:19:50] They can follow creature.

[00:19:53] But I would like summon creature and then like disapparate immediately.

[00:19:57] And then yeah, he should have done it immediately.

[00:20:00] Like they go into this like other spot.

[00:20:03] They have a little bit of time, maybe like 30 seconds before.

[00:20:07] Yeah.

[00:20:07] You know, he finds them.

[00:20:08] So you summon creature immediately and then you disapparate to another spot.

[00:20:11] Or just like keep disapparating over and over and over and just get really far.

[00:20:14] Yep.

[00:20:15] But elf magic is not.

[00:20:17] I don't know.

[00:20:18] Or like creature might be able to hide him.

[00:20:20] Because having creature along in this would have been great.

[00:20:23] And it was, it was a bummer because right before they left, like he was just starting to tidy things up.

[00:20:28] Like he was becoming a really good cook.

[00:20:30] And like he was, he was saying like, I'm going to make you a steak and kidney pie when you come back.

[00:20:34] It was like.

[00:20:36] Poor creature.

[00:20:37] I remember reading this for the first time being devastated at that point.

[00:20:41] But creature is just like alone now after having this massive turnaround.

[00:20:45] And he's just left to like think what happened.

[00:20:49] Yeah.

[00:20:49] And he doesn't know if they are going to destroy the locket either.

[00:20:53] Mm-hmm.

[00:20:54] So.

[00:20:55] I know.

[00:20:56] It's a little devastating.

[00:20:57] There's no closure for creature.

[00:20:58] I know.

[00:20:58] It's just sad.

[00:20:59] You think he's ever going to come up again?

[00:21:01] Yeah, I think so.

[00:21:03] I hope so.

[00:21:06] All right.

[00:21:06] Let's do chapter 14, the thief.

[00:21:08] Give me a summary of this one.

[00:21:11] This is when they start their camping trip.

[00:21:14] Yep.

[00:21:15] Camping.

[00:21:16] The age old memory of camping.

[00:21:21] And yeah, so Hermione kind of tells them what happened with the apparating stuff.

[00:21:26] Ron got splinched.

[00:21:27] Mm-hmm.

[00:21:28] She cures him a little bit.

[00:21:31] And they just kind of discuss like the plans of what to do with the Horcruxes.

[00:21:38] And then they're talking about Gregorovich.

[00:21:40] And Harry has another like vision thing into Voldemort's mind.

[00:21:43] Mm-hmm.

[00:21:44] Ron is very annoying to me.

[00:21:46] Hermione's very like nitpicky and like, I don't know.

[00:21:53] They're all just on edge.

[00:21:55] Yeah.

[00:21:55] But Harry's so laid back and doesn't feel like he's doing anything that I feel like I understand the frustration on Ron and Hermione's parts.

[00:22:05] But there just is a lack of communication there because even with Ron, we'll talk about this next chapter.

[00:22:11] But even when he leaves, there's like Ron just thinks that Dumbledore had given him more stuff, more information.

[00:22:18] And Harry's just as blind as they are.

[00:22:20] So they got to be frustrated over that, over not getting enough information.

[00:22:23] And they're like, we have nothing, no plan, no idea what to do now.

[00:22:27] We don't even know how to destroy this thing.

[00:22:29] We can't even find other Horcruxes.

[00:22:30] Like, what do we do now?

[00:22:32] But that was just a misunderstanding on their part.

[00:22:34] Like, Harry should just be able to be like, no, I don't know anything, actually.

[00:22:38] We have to figure it all out.

[00:22:39] And they're just like, oh, okay.

[00:22:42] Yep.

[00:22:42] And that's it.

[00:22:43] But I guess they had made up their mind thinking that there was kind of already a roadmap in place.

[00:22:48] Yeah.

[00:22:49] But there's not.

[00:22:50] There's not.

[00:22:52] But I feel like they're gaining good information.

[00:22:54] They're starting to solve the mysteries a little bit.

[00:22:57] Yeah.

[00:22:57] In this little chunk, like, by the time we get to the end of the podcast.

[00:23:01] Yeah, that's kind of nice.

[00:23:02] Yeah.

[00:23:06] Who is this blonde hair?

[00:23:07] Yeah, who is the blonde guy?

[00:23:09] That's the thief.

[00:23:10] Yeah.

[00:23:11] I was thinking, I was like, who's blonde?

[00:23:14] I don't know.

[00:23:14] I thought Lockhart's blonde.

[00:23:16] Oh, dang.

[00:23:18] Lockhart coming back.

[00:23:20] Maybe Dumbledore.

[00:23:24] All of the blacks, I think, have brown hair.

[00:23:27] But I was like, maybe it's one of the blacks.

[00:23:29] Okay.

[00:23:33] I don't know who else.

[00:23:36] Or Draco.

[00:23:38] Or like, not Draco, the dad.

[00:23:40] Yeah, like a family member, yeah.

[00:23:41] Lucius.

[00:23:41] Yeah, Lucius.

[00:23:42] Because I think if Draco's blonde, he might be blonde.

[00:23:48] And I think he's supposed to be like a good looking dude.

[00:23:52] So why would Malfoy take what I'm assuming is the elder wand?

[00:23:57] I think that's the elder wand, whatever he took from Gregorovic.

[00:24:03] So if that's the case, so this blonde dude stole the elder wand from Gregorovic.

[00:24:08] So is that why Voldemort is looking for this guy who stole it?

[00:24:13] I think he's just looking for the wand.

[00:24:15] Okay.

[00:24:16] And then that's just like the memory.

[00:24:17] Because that's Gregorovic's memory.

[00:24:19] It's like, no, it got stolen.

[00:24:20] I don't know what happened to her.

[00:24:23] But if it comes out that Malfoy took it, like Malfoy's dead, I would think.

[00:24:28] But maybe he won't kill Malfoy or maybe...

[00:24:31] No, because if he already knew that Malfoy had it and he was like threatening to kill Draco,

[00:24:37] maybe that's why Draco had to like earn his stripes a little bit.

[00:24:43] But is that a saying?

[00:24:44] Earn your stripes?

[00:24:46] Earn your star?

[00:24:46] What is it?

[00:24:47] I think it's earn your stripes.

[00:24:49] I don't know why that's a phrase.

[00:24:51] I don't know the origin of the phrase.

[00:24:53] It's a phrase.

[00:24:54] Earn your stripes.

[00:24:56] I open at the close.

[00:24:59] You're getting too deep into it right now.

[00:25:02] It'd be crazy if Draco was like the rifle owner, the elder wand.

[00:25:05] It passed along into his family.

[00:25:08] And really Draco...

[00:25:09] It didn't pass along though.

[00:25:10] Like Malfoy would be stealing it.

[00:25:13] Yeah.

[00:25:14] He'd be stealing it, but then would he pass it off to his son?

[00:25:19] Because...

[00:25:19] I guess so.

[00:25:20] The one little qualm for this is that Voldemort takes Lucius' wand and it doesn't work for him.

[00:25:29] So...

[00:25:29] It actually breaks.

[00:25:30] That's not the elder wand though because that's just a normal wand.

[00:25:33] Yeah.

[00:25:34] So either the Malfoys didn't steal it or Lucius is hiding that away somewhere if he's the blonde kid in this.

[00:25:41] I don't think there's any way you could hide anything as a Death Eater.

[00:25:46] I just feel like legitimacy is happening all the time.

[00:25:50] Yeah, for sure.

[00:25:51] But...

[00:25:51] I don't know.

[00:25:52] There could be very good Aquamans.

[00:25:54] Agreed, yeah.

[00:25:56] Yeah, but...

[00:25:57] He doesn't strike me as a good Aquamans.

[00:26:00] But you never know.

[00:26:01] I feel like in the face of Voldemort though, no one is a good Aquamans because he's apparently like the best other than Snape.

[00:26:08] And I think Snape is a better Aquamans than Legilimens than Voldemort.

[00:26:11] So do you think that Snape is hiding information from Voldemort now?

[00:26:18] Sure.

[00:26:18] Yeah, probably.

[00:26:20] Is...

[00:26:22] Is...

[00:26:22] I still think he's doing Voldemort's bidding though.

[00:26:25] I don't think he's like...

[00:26:26] Double agent.

[00:26:26] But...

[00:26:27] Yeah, he's not a double agent.

[00:26:28] I think he just knows stuff and doesn't have to give it up.

[00:26:31] Is Snape like biding his time to take over?

[00:26:35] Like is he that advanced that he's like hiding stuff from Voldemort so that he can be the next heir?

[00:26:43] And like take things over?

[00:26:44] Because he seems like he's unbelievable at the things that he does.

[00:26:48] I could see him wanting to be a leader but I don't think he would want to be like a Voldemort type leader.

[00:26:55] I don't think he'd be like a Dumbledore but maybe somebody in between.

[00:26:59] I don't think he'd just want to like kill people and cause uprising and like...

[00:27:05] Hopefully not.

[00:27:06] Sheer force type of leadership.

[00:27:10] But I do think he likes power a lot.

[00:27:12] Mm-hmm.

[00:27:15] So maybe headmaster's a good thing for him.

[00:27:17] Yeah, honestly.

[00:27:19] It could be a good little job.

[00:27:20] It's the rightful position.

[00:27:23] I don't know.

[00:27:24] Snape's a weird dude.

[00:27:25] Snape is a weird dude.

[00:27:28] So Harry has this like feeling that and he like hears noise.

[00:27:32] He feels like someone's watching him one night.

[00:27:35] Is there anybody who's out in the woods kind of watching him?

[00:27:38] Like is there anybody...

[00:27:39] Because the line is...

[00:27:41] The silence...

[00:27:43] The surrounding silence is broken by odd rustling and what sounded like the cracking of twigs.

[00:27:47] Harry thought that they were caused by animals rather than people yet he kept his wand held tight at the ready.

[00:27:56] Are there people watching him?

[00:27:57] That's in chapter 14?

[00:27:58] Yeah.

[00:28:00] Is there someone out there that's watching him?

[00:28:02] I was thinking Hermione has the trace on her.

[00:28:05] That's how they knew.

[00:28:07] Because if Mr. Weasley has a trace on him because he's like a muggle lover.

[00:28:13] Hermione's a muggle born.

[00:28:14] So maybe they are watching her and that's how they found the trio right away.

[00:28:21] So they're tracking.

[00:28:23] Okay.

[00:28:23] So the tracking is different from being the trace.

[00:28:26] The trace is like it's only on 17 and below wizards and it's done when you're 17.

[00:28:34] That's why I like where they moved Harry as soon as he...

[00:28:37] As soon as they could.

[00:28:39] So you can't be...

[00:28:41] He's being like tailed.

[00:28:42] Mr. Weasley is being tailed in a different way from Hermione.

[00:28:45] It could be traced.

[00:28:47] Like private investigator type deal.

[00:28:49] Yeah.

[00:28:50] Like they're watching his family.

[00:28:51] They're keeping an eye on everything that he does.

[00:28:53] So they...

[00:28:54] Because they think he has like a source for Harry Potter.

[00:28:56] So it's not like they're just, you know, on Google Maps.

[00:28:59] Like they have like a little like, you know, air tag on him.

[00:29:01] And they're like watching him everywhere he goes.

[00:29:03] I feel like that's possible still for Hermione to have that.

[00:29:06] Yeah.

[00:29:07] It could be.

[00:29:07] Because they were just at the burrow and there could have been Death Eaters outside the burrow.

[00:29:11] Someone might have planted something on her or like put something in her beaded bag or something like that.

[00:29:17] Maybe that mirror is like...

[00:29:19] Not good.

[00:29:20] What's that blue eye doing in the mirror?

[00:29:22] Is it like the Mad Eye eye?

[00:29:25] That's blue.

[00:29:26] Might be.

[00:29:28] Lockhart has blue eyes.

[00:29:29] You thought it looked like Dumbledore.

[00:29:32] Yeah, but he was in like shock and grief at that point.

[00:29:39] So I feel like everything would be Dumbledore.

[00:29:41] Yep.

[00:29:46] Here's like a...

[00:29:47] Maybe more of a side question.

[00:29:52] This is one of the lines that we get.

[00:29:55] Nameless forebodings crept upon him as he sat there in the dark.

[00:29:58] He tried to resist them, push them away.

[00:30:01] If they came at him relentlessly, neither can live while the other survives.

[00:30:05] Ron and Hermione now talking softly behind him in the tent could walk away if they wanted to, but he could not.

[00:30:10] And it seemed to Harry that as he sat there trying to master his own fear and exhaustion, the horcrux against his chest was ticking away the time he had left.

[00:30:20] Stupid idea, he told himself.

[00:30:21] Don't think that.

[00:30:24] When we're talking about these three kids right now in the woods, what is each of their biggest fear?

[00:30:35] Hermione fears losing Harry and Ron.

[00:30:39] Okay.

[00:30:39] Yeah.

[00:30:41] Ron fears losing his family.

[00:30:44] Yeah.

[00:30:46] And Harry fears failure.

[00:30:52] That's an interesting one.

[00:30:54] I don't know what Harry fears right here.

[00:30:56] Maybe the rustling in the woods was like an elf.

[00:30:59] Maybe it's Creature or Dobby.

[00:31:00] They're back.

[00:31:01] They're back again.

[00:31:03] But yeah, I don't think Harry has like any fear for his family or like his people.

[00:31:11] I think it's more of like a himself versus evil type of thing.

[00:31:16] More like if he fails, he lets everyone down.

[00:31:19] And that's like his worst fear.

[00:31:23] But I think Hermione and Ron are both more fearful for the people around them.

[00:31:28] Because that was like happening to Ron right before he left.

[00:31:31] He's like, you don't know what they meant about my family.

[00:31:34] Like somebody else could be injured.

[00:31:36] And then Hermione's trying to just tell him no.

[00:31:38] Like Jenny already got hurt.

[00:31:39] George already got hurt.

[00:31:41] Bill already got hurt.

[00:31:43] But I don't know.

[00:31:46] What do you think their fears are?

[00:31:48] I think it's probably something similar.

[00:31:51] I think Ron's fear, maybe this is going to sound weird, but it's like discomfort.

[00:31:57] Like not being in his home, his happy place.

[00:32:01] He was at the school all the time.

[00:32:03] He was at home all the time.

[00:32:04] He was being taken care of.

[00:32:06] Now he's kind of on his own.

[00:32:08] He's like independent.

[00:32:08] So I think his fear, I think his fear is for his family.

[00:32:11] Because it's like, well, you know, the Weasleys are always looking out for each other.

[00:32:15] And, you know, like they always have their best interest at heart.

[00:32:18] But yeah, Ron's is a weird one.

[00:32:22] I think, I think you kind of nailed it with Hermione.

[00:32:25] I think her fear right now is losing the two of them.

[00:32:29] Or not doing enough for them.

[00:32:31] Like letting them down.

[00:32:32] Because they really need Hermione.

[00:32:35] And if Ron didn't have Hermione right now.

[00:32:37] They would be dead.

[00:32:38] 20.

[00:32:40] They would be dead.

[00:32:41] They couldn't even apparate to where they got in the first place.

[00:32:43] Yeah, I know.

[00:32:44] They'd be dead at the ministry.

[00:32:44] Yeah.

[00:32:46] They would be, yeah, they'd be dead very quick in this book.

[00:32:49] The other, is Xenophilius blonde?

[00:32:53] Yeah.

[00:32:54] Could Xenophilius have taken it?

[00:32:55] He could be, yeah, yeah.

[00:32:56] Do you think Xenophilius has the other wand?

[00:32:59] Yeah.

[00:33:00] I think so.

[00:33:01] That's why he's got the eye situation on his necklace.

[00:33:05] Because he has, that's like the wand.

[00:33:07] He has one piece of it.

[00:33:08] Okay.

[00:33:09] What if it's the Deathly Hallows or like that necklace, the wand?

[00:33:16] What if the sword is a Deathly Hallow?

[00:33:19] What other shapes would be the sword other than a stick?

[00:33:22] So it's either the sword or a wand.

[00:33:25] So the Deathly Hallows are like a triangle, a circle, and a stick thing?

[00:33:29] It could be.

[00:33:31] You're saying that they represent each thing.

[00:33:33] So you're saying the wand is this thick.

[00:33:35] Like if the other two things represent something, what would they represent?

[00:33:39] An eye?

[00:33:39] You're talking about an eye or a snitch for the circle.

[00:33:42] Or an egg.

[00:33:43] Like what the triangle represents?

[00:33:43] The triangle represents the tip of the blade of Gryffindor?

[00:33:48] That's a stretch.

[00:33:49] I don't know.

[00:33:50] I still have not thought of any triangle things.

[00:33:55] Maybe it's like an ancient rune.

[00:33:57] Huh.

[00:33:58] Maybe it's a letter.

[00:33:59] Because it's somebody, okay, I don't know what chapter that is, but somebody drew that

[00:34:04] onto Hermione's book.

[00:34:06] So I'm assuming Dumbledore did that.

[00:34:08] Yep.

[00:34:11] And it's on the gravestone.

[00:34:16] The gravestone, what chapter was that?

[00:34:19] 16.

[00:34:20] Oh God, there's all that.

[00:34:21] That's right.

[00:34:21] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:34:24] So they're starting to have like a little scavenger hunt.

[00:34:27] But they really didn't touch on it because Harry was like, stop.

[00:34:30] I want to find my family.

[00:34:31] And then he left.

[00:34:34] I don't know.

[00:34:35] We'll see, Lizzie.

[00:34:35] I don't know what that symbol is.

[00:34:38] I don't know anything about it.

[00:34:39] So we'll ask more questions when we get there, but we'll see.

[00:34:44] All right, let's go on to chapter 15 unless you had anything.

[00:34:46] I'll see for 14.

[00:34:47] Let me double check because I do have notes.

[00:34:52] We just did 14.

[00:34:55] Yeah.

[00:34:56] Nope, I said it all.

[00:34:59] Gamp's laws of elemental transfiguration.

[00:35:03] Why did we start talking about that in the other book?

[00:35:06] What tangent were we on?

[00:35:08] Because I think you were talking about how you would just make food from something.

[00:35:11] Oh, yeah.

[00:35:11] That you would just like, I don't know what it was.

[00:35:16] I don't know what the question was related to, but I remember it was like, I would just

[00:35:19] like, you know, make food and do you have to have it go do this.

[00:35:24] And then you can't do that.

[00:35:26] Yeah.

[00:35:26] And then you were like, this is so confusing.

[00:35:27] It really doesn't matter.

[00:35:28] And then I went home and I was on like Reddit and like every wizarding thing ever learning

[00:35:33] about all the laws.

[00:35:35] Yep.

[00:35:39] All right.

[00:35:39] Let's go to chapter 15.

[00:35:42] Goblins revenge.

[00:35:43] Give me a summary of this chapter.

[00:35:45] This, I think, is one of my favorite chapters ever.

[00:35:48] Yeah, it's a good one.

[00:35:49] Really good.

[00:35:51] This is they're still camping.

[00:35:53] Okay.

[00:35:54] I think.

[00:35:56] Oh, no.

[00:35:57] Ron is still in the picture.

[00:35:59] But they overhear people outside and they're like, oh, no.

[00:36:02] Our charms holding is a Death Eaters.

[00:36:05] And they start listening in.

[00:36:07] And it's Goblins, Ted Tonks and Dean.

[00:36:11] Yep.

[00:36:12] Which is like so exciting.

[00:36:14] The coolest combo of people.

[00:36:17] I forget why Dean is there, but Ted Tonks is like on the run because he was like, we're

[00:36:22] screwed anyways.

[00:36:23] My wife's going to be fine.

[00:36:24] And I was like, oh, how very Lupin of you to do that.

[00:36:28] And I was like, that's so fitting for your son-in-law to also be leaving his wife and children.

[00:36:37] But they listen in.

[00:36:38] They learn a lot about the sort of Gryffindor, which is Goblin made and apparently does have

[00:36:45] special magic.

[00:36:46] So it definitely can destroy Horcruxes because Dumbledore used it to destroy the ring.

[00:36:51] And we also learned that it's a fake replica.

[00:36:57] Yeah.

[00:36:57] Hey.

[00:36:58] That's not even in Hogwarts anymore, but the replica is in Gringotts.

[00:37:04] And now they have to go find the sword somewhere.

[00:37:13] And then Ron leaves.

[00:37:14] And then Ron leaves.

[00:37:15] Why is this your favorite chapter?

[00:37:17] I just love that it's Tonks and Dean.

[00:37:22] And then I just think it's like the best way of giving an information dump because it's

[00:37:27] just like gossip and they're listening in.

[00:37:31] And goblins, I feel like haven't played a big role.

[00:37:35] So then even learning like, oh, they don't fight wizarding wars.

[00:37:38] Like they're just their own free people.

[00:37:40] Yep.

[00:37:41] They don't get involved.

[00:37:42] And then they're just joking around.

[00:37:45] Goblins seem like really cool people.

[00:37:48] Yeah.

[00:37:49] I'll vibe with the goblins.

[00:37:50] They're out there living their life.

[00:37:51] Yeah.

[00:37:51] They're kind of enjoying it.

[00:37:52] Yeah.

[00:37:55] Yeah.

[00:37:55] I just really liked it.

[00:37:56] It's a good chapter.

[00:37:58] At the beginning of this chapter, Harry isn't able to cast Patronus.

[00:38:01] Why?

[00:38:02] Because he's wearing the Horcrux.

[00:38:05] Do you think there's any other component onto it?

[00:38:08] Is it that simple?

[00:38:12] Yes.

[00:38:13] It is that simple.

[00:38:14] Next question.

[00:38:16] What is the Horcrux actually doing to them?

[00:38:18] So if Harry is wearing the Horcrux and he can't cast Patronus, what is the thing actually

[00:38:22] doing to him?

[00:38:23] I think the soul is just has an aura.

[00:38:26] Okay.

[00:38:27] That kind of envelops you.

[00:38:31] I don't know.

[00:38:31] I was really trying to not make it like the ring in my mind.

[00:38:35] Yeah.

[00:38:35] I know.

[00:38:35] But it kind of is like that to me where it's like, I think it's just such a dark object

[00:38:42] that if you have it on your neck, it's going to like bring the darkness to you.

[00:38:48] So I'm like, why do we still need to be wearing it and rotating it in shifts?

[00:38:51] Like, can't we just plop it in the bag and call it a day?

[00:38:54] Yeah.

[00:38:55] But no, it must be worn.

[00:38:57] And it keeps saying like, oh, maybe it's beating, like a beating heart.

[00:39:01] Are they imagining that?

[00:39:02] Or is it like the blood?

[00:39:03] So I'm like, what if this is the final Horcrux and you like actually put his heart in there

[00:39:07] or something?

[00:39:08] Ugh.

[00:39:09] And maybe like that's the real Voldemort Horcrux and not the Voldemort that's like a body.

[00:39:17] So I don't know.

[00:39:19] I mean, I would go like find the sword right away and just kill the locket first.

[00:39:25] But where, so where is the sword?

[00:39:26] Where would the sword be now?

[00:39:27] So it's not in safe possession, obviously, which is great.

[00:39:30] Godric's hollow.

[00:39:32] Okay.

[00:39:34] The cave by the sea.

[00:39:37] I don't know.

[00:39:38] That to me is the forefront of my mind is like, get the sword, destroy the Horcrux, worry

[00:39:42] about the rest of them later.

[00:39:44] Because that was pissing me off when Ron was like, we don't know where anything else is.

[00:39:48] I'm like, you don't need to know.

[00:39:50] You already have one more step that you can take and just start doing that.

[00:39:55] And maybe that'll lead you somewhere.

[00:39:58] Yeah, they just need leads.

[00:40:00] They just need a lead here and there.

[00:40:01] And they could just take that one step and then they figure something out and they can

[00:40:04] cross it off their list and go into the next thing.

[00:40:07] They don't need a ton of things.

[00:40:09] They just need one small thing that they can keep doing.

[00:40:12] And hopefully that'll go into the next thing.

[00:40:15] Are they dumb to wear the Horcrux everywhere though?

[00:40:17] I don't know.

[00:40:25] Like, is it endangering them?

[00:40:27] Yeah.

[00:40:29] I don't think so.

[00:40:31] Okay.

[00:40:32] I think it's negatively impacting them, but I don't think it's like a actual like beacon

[00:40:38] that the Death Eaters are going to like be drawn to.

[00:40:41] Do you think all the other Horcruxes have some kind of aura like this around them?

[00:40:46] No.

[00:40:47] Just this one.

[00:40:49] Yeah.

[00:40:50] All right.

[00:40:50] I like the quick answer to that.

[00:40:52] Because like the snake isn't going to have a aura.

[00:40:55] The snake is just the snake.

[00:40:57] Okay.

[00:40:57] So the snake's the snake, but all the others are objects.

[00:41:02] I mean, the ring has some kind of aura because it blackened his hand.

[00:41:09] You think that's what did that?

[00:41:11] I mean, potentially.

[00:41:13] Like he wore the ring and it just sucked the life out of his hand.

[00:41:17] Hmm.

[00:41:18] I don't know.

[00:41:19] Maybe.

[00:41:20] But why isn't there like heads falling off right now?

[00:41:23] Just severs your head right off.

[00:41:27] Because Voldemort, he like plays with his food.

[00:41:29] There was something in the cave chapter that it said that the potion wasn't going to kill

[00:41:34] you.

[00:41:34] It's just going to maim you long enough.

[00:41:36] So when Voldemort comes, he can ask you questions about what's happening.

[00:41:39] He never wanted to like, he like wanted to draw things out and drag it out so that he

[00:41:44] can figure out how to be stronger.

[00:41:45] So if these people are wearing horcruxes, it's not going to just instantaneously sever

[00:41:50] your head.

[00:41:50] It's going to turn you insane so that Voldemort, when he passes, you can see, oh, this person

[00:41:55] is insane for my horcrux.

[00:41:57] Let me ask them how they got it and make sure my safety precautions are even better than what

[00:42:03] they were before.

[00:42:04] I don't think so.

[00:42:06] I think it's like the process of getting the horcrux is what's harmful to you and will

[00:42:14] leave you in such a bad state.

[00:42:15] But then once you have the horcrux, it's just like it is what it is.

[00:42:19] Because then wouldn't Voldemort be negatively impacted by it?

[00:42:24] I keep saying impacted.

[00:42:26] I don't know.

[00:42:27] But they're wearing, are they in the process of getting this other horcrux?

[00:42:32] Because they're wearing, they have the horcrux.

[00:42:35] It's in this little locket.

[00:42:37] The locket is the horcrux.

[00:42:38] The locket is the horcrux or the horcrux is in the locket?

[00:42:41] Isn't the sole in the locket?

[00:42:43] What even is the sole?

[00:42:44] Like air?

[00:42:45] That's a good question.

[00:42:46] A little water balloon.

[00:42:48] That's a great question.

[00:42:49] The locket opens at the close.

[00:42:53] Doesn't everything open at the close?

[00:42:54] Everything pretty much is open at the close here.

[00:42:57] The close.

[00:42:59] The close.

[00:43:01] I don't know.

[00:43:01] I don't think they need to be wearing it.

[00:43:03] Like I would put it in that bag or put it on your neck and then put it in the bag also

[00:43:07] on your neck.

[00:43:07] I know.

[00:43:08] It would have been a little smarter.

[00:43:10] Some degrees of separation.

[00:43:12] What do you think about the whole conversation that they overheard?

[00:43:15] So they talked about the sword.

[00:43:16] They talked about Hogwarts.

[00:43:17] They talked about like Harry or Ginny and Code trying to steal the sword.

[00:43:23] Any little tidbits of information in there that you liked?

[00:43:26] Um.

[00:43:30] This sole section about whether Dumbledore really trusted Snape or not.

[00:43:35] That was fun.

[00:43:36] Yep.

[00:43:38] Hermione's like think.

[00:43:39] Think where he would have left it.

[00:43:41] Not at Hogwarts said Harry.

[00:43:43] Somewhere in Hogsmeade.

[00:43:44] The Shrieking Shack.

[00:43:46] But Snape knows how to get in.

[00:43:47] Wouldn't that be a bit risky?

[00:43:49] Dumbledore trusted Snape.

[00:43:50] Harry reminded her.

[00:43:51] Not enough to tell him that he had swapped the swords.

[00:43:54] Mm-hmm.

[00:43:54] Hermione.

[00:43:55] Yeah you're right said Harry.

[00:43:56] And he felt even more cheered at the thought that Dumbledore had had some reservations.

[00:44:01] However faint about Snape's trustworthiness.

[00:44:05] He's like uh oh.

[00:44:06] Yeah.

[00:44:07] And then he killed him.

[00:44:08] I know.

[00:44:10] Didn't fully trust him.

[00:44:11] I'm surprised all the goblins know about the sword too.

[00:44:17] Like to them that's just like duh.

[00:44:19] Yeah.

[00:44:19] Or maybe this is Griphook right?

[00:44:22] And Griphook is like we've talked about him before.

[00:44:25] I forget where.

[00:44:26] This is Griphook.

[00:44:27] Griphook is the first uh.

[00:44:28] He's like a very important.

[00:44:29] Um.

[00:44:31] This is in Griphook.

[00:44:32] Sorry.

[00:44:33] Yeah it is.

[00:44:33] I had my small revenge before I left said Griphook in English.

[00:44:41] Oh um.

[00:44:41] Who is?

[00:44:42] Good man.

[00:44:43] Goblin I should say.

[00:44:45] It's Griphook.

[00:44:48] And I love that Ginny and Neville and Luna are all stealing the sword.

[00:44:56] And trying to like make the DA again.

[00:45:00] Just trust me it's Griphook.

[00:45:03] Is that what you're googling?

[00:45:05] I'm looking right at it.

[00:45:07] Unless there's multiple Griphooks.

[00:45:10] Gornuk.

[00:45:11] Gornuk.

[00:45:11] That's what I was thinking.

[00:45:12] Sorry.

[00:45:14] Who's Dirk?

[00:45:15] Dirk is just like a normal guy.

[00:45:16] Yeah Dirk's a normal dude.

[00:45:17] Dirk's a random person.

[00:45:19] Yeah.

[00:45:20] Then why is Dean there again?

[00:45:24] Um.

[00:45:24] Because his blood status is in question.

[00:45:27] Oh so he just ran?

[00:45:28] Yeah so he's out.

[00:45:29] He couldn't really prove it prove it.

[00:45:31] So he was like peace.

[00:45:34] That's crazy.

[00:45:35] Yeah.

[00:45:36] So it's a motley crew but I feel like I'd be kind of confident with that crew.

[00:45:39] It's kind of a fun crew to roll with.

[00:45:42] Yeah.

[00:45:42] Just in the woods.

[00:45:43] Yeah I know.

[00:45:44] Right?

[00:45:44] Big trip.

[00:45:47] I almost thought that Harry and Hermione might like reveal themselves.

[00:45:51] I know.

[00:45:52] And be like look we're right here.

[00:45:53] Because they were talking like Harry gave up or Harry's in hiding.

[00:45:57] You kind of wish that he did.

[00:45:59] Like he pulled off like you know the.

[00:46:00] No I didn't hide.

[00:46:01] I'm here.

[00:46:02] I'm hunting.

[00:46:03] Yeah or just cast a Patronus.

[00:46:04] And then Dean would be like no way.

[00:46:06] Yeah right.

[00:46:07] Because I realized that in the ministry chapter when he was like I can't cast my Patronus because

[00:46:15] everybody's gonna know it's me because it's a stag.

[00:46:17] And I didn't even think of Patronuses as being like identifiers of who you are.

[00:46:21] But once you do it once and somebody remembers it's like.

[00:46:26] Yeah.

[00:46:27] You just it's you know who it is.

[00:46:29] Because like every time I see Otter.

[00:46:30] Okay it's Hermione.

[00:46:31] The cat is Umbridge.

[00:46:34] So do you.

[00:46:34] Who else is uh.

[00:46:35] Who else is Patronus do you know?

[00:46:39] Uh.

[00:46:40] Is Dumbledore a phoenix?

[00:46:43] Yep.

[00:46:44] Tonks is a.

[00:46:46] A wolf.

[00:46:47] Werewolf.

[00:46:48] Yep.

[00:46:48] Tonks is is Remus.

[00:46:51] That's crazy.

[00:46:53] Her joy is Remus.

[00:46:54] I know.

[00:46:55] Um what was Sirius's?

[00:47:01] I don't like I feel like I do know more than that but not that I remember them.

[00:47:08] A Sirius's Patronus is is essentially his animagus form.

[00:47:11] Dog resembles a bear or a German shepherd.

[00:47:14] What was Lupin's?

[00:47:17] Um.

[00:47:19] Mr. Weasley's is a weasel.

[00:47:21] Yeah it's great.

[00:47:22] King's is a lynx.

[00:47:23] Lupin's is a wolf too.

[00:47:25] Lots of wolves.

[00:47:29] What's Ron's?

[00:47:30] A Jack Russell Terrier.

[00:47:35] Lots of dogs.

[00:47:36] I know.

[00:47:37] Yeah seriously.

[00:47:38] Everyone's a dog here.

[00:47:39] And then there's Umbridge.

[00:47:41] Yeah the cat.

[00:47:42] What's Snape's?

[00:47:43] Um.

[00:47:44] It's like a bat.

[00:47:45] I don't think we know.

[00:47:46] Yeah maybe a bat.

[00:47:49] Yeah we don't know what Snape's Patronus is.

[00:47:53] A bat.

[00:47:55] Is it?

[00:47:56] No.

[00:47:56] There's no confirmation.

[00:47:59] So he never does a Patronus this entire time?

[00:48:02] Oh cause he has his own way of.

[00:48:03] Yeah.

[00:48:04] Well I guess it would still be a Patronus though.

[00:48:06] What?

[00:48:07] Was it his own way of casting Patronus or his own way of dealing with Dementors?

[00:48:10] Own way of dealing with Dementors.

[00:48:11] He would deal with them at a different.

[00:48:12] Uh.

[00:48:13] Uh.

[00:48:13] No.

[00:48:14] Like would he conjure the Patronus in a different way?

[00:48:18] Or was he totally forgoing a Patronus?

[00:48:21] Oh it was.

[00:48:22] Yeah that's actually a great question.

[00:48:24] Um.

[00:48:25] Maybe that's why he doesn't cast a Patronus because he found a different way to deal with

[00:48:27] Dementors.

[00:48:28] Dementors.

[00:48:29] Cause maybe in his view.

[00:48:31] Uh.

[00:48:31] The only way that you can really deal with Dementors.

[00:48:35] Um.

[00:48:36] Or the way that most people deal with them is by Patronuses.

[00:48:38] But he.

[00:48:39] Again he's like.

[00:48:40] He does Occlumency.

[00:48:41] So maybe his way of doing it is shutting out the Happy Memories.

[00:48:44] Like locking them in a vault so that they can't access them.

[00:48:47] I think we talked about that before.

[00:48:48] But.

[00:48:49] Yeah.

[00:48:49] Maybe Snape just has no need of a Patronus.

[00:48:52] So it's not really like.

[00:48:53] In there at all.

[00:48:56] But.

[00:48:56] Yeah.

[00:48:56] His would probably be.

[00:48:57] I feel like his would be a bat if anything else.

[00:49:01] Or like something.

[00:49:02] An eel.

[00:49:04] Yeah.

[00:49:05] Slug.

[00:49:06] Yeah.

[00:49:06] Like slug horns would be a slug.

[00:49:10] That would be so unhelpful.

[00:49:12] I know.

[00:49:13] Patronus sliding across the floor.

[00:49:15] Yeah.

[00:49:15] There's definitely.

[00:49:16] There's a few characters we just don't know what their Patronus is.

[00:49:19] James was a stag.

[00:49:21] Yep.

[00:49:23] Lilies.

[00:49:25] Don't know.

[00:49:27] Don't know.

[00:49:28] Probably like a butterfly.

[00:49:29] Yeah.

[00:49:30] Something cute like that.

[00:49:34] Um.

[00:49:35] Why.

[00:49:36] What do you think of Ron leaving?

[00:49:40] Um.

[00:49:43] I understand.

[00:49:46] Wow.

[00:49:46] Okay.

[00:49:47] I don't know.

[00:49:47] I was really mad at him honestly.

[00:49:50] I think he's very selfish.

[00:49:52] Um.

[00:49:53] Um.

[00:49:53] No.

[00:49:53] I don't understand it.

[00:49:54] I'm against it.

[00:49:55] Okay.

[00:49:56] I'm against you Russell.

[00:49:58] Somebody's gonna know what that's from.

[00:50:00] Do you know what that's from?

[00:50:01] From Up?

[00:50:02] No.

[00:50:03] I'm against you Russell?

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:04] I'm against you Russell.

[00:50:08] We'll see if anybody gets it.

[00:50:11] Um.

[00:50:11] It's.

[00:50:12] Not like a cartoon thing.

[00:50:15] But.

[00:50:16] Ron is.

[00:50:19] Really in his own head.

[00:50:21] And he needs to like.

[00:50:22] Understand that he is.

[00:50:25] Here for supporting Harry.

[00:50:27] And not to fill his own needs.

[00:50:30] And desires.

[00:50:31] Okay.

[00:50:31] But he's gone away.

[00:50:32] How the heck is he ever gonna get back to them?

[00:50:34] He's like nah.

[00:50:36] I don't think.

[00:50:37] So he's run out.

[00:50:37] Whatever he does.

[00:50:38] Like there's a Patronus.

[00:50:40] And then.

[00:50:41] They rejoin each other.

[00:50:44] I think.

[00:50:46] There's a Patronus happening.

[00:50:49] Somewhere.

[00:50:49] This is very foggy.

[00:50:52] That's such a clear memory actually.

[00:50:55] I think there is like a Patronus.

[00:50:57] Or Ron is in trouble.

[00:50:59] And then Hermione casts a Patronus.

[00:51:02] And then it like.

[00:51:03] Goes saves Ron or something.

[00:51:05] Or Harry.

[00:51:06] We'll see.

[00:51:07] Yeah.

[00:51:09] Go to the next chapter.

[00:51:10] Godric's Hollow.

[00:51:11] Unless you had anything else in this one.

[00:51:18] Let me see.

[00:51:19] The next chapter is one of my faves.

[00:51:21] The Quibbler is like a trustworthy.

[00:51:22] I know right.

[00:51:23] Look at that.

[00:51:25] The truth.

[00:51:26] Love that.

[00:51:27] Xeno.

[00:51:27] Xeno is pumping out some good content right now.

[00:51:29] I like that they just call him Xeno.

[00:51:31] I know.

[00:51:33] It's a good nickname.

[00:51:36] All right.

[00:51:36] Godric's Hollow.

[00:51:39] This is when.

[00:51:40] They go to Godric's Hollow.

[00:51:42] They plan out Godric's Hollow.

[00:51:44] And they see Harry's tomb.

[00:51:45] Tomb.

[00:51:47] Harry's tomb.

[00:51:47] Harry's tomb.

[00:51:48] His family tomb.

[00:51:51] It's crazy.

[00:51:51] The tomb of Lily and James.

[00:51:52] Just sad.

[00:51:53] They see a bunch of other stuff in the graveyard.

[00:51:56] And then at the end.

[00:51:58] It's Christmas Eve.

[00:51:59] It's Christmas Eve.

[00:52:00] Lovely.

[00:52:01] This is one of those chapters that.

[00:52:03] You're like how the heck did they get to Christmas Eve?

[00:52:06] But they've been camping for a while.

[00:52:07] Those chapters just kind of like sped by.

[00:52:09] That's so true because they left like right when school started.

[00:52:12] Yeah.

[00:52:13] And it feels like it's been like two weeks.

[00:52:15] Mm-hmm.

[00:52:16] But I guess it's been closer to like three or four months.

[00:52:22] Yeah.

[00:52:23] Which is crazy.

[00:52:24] Goes fast.

[00:52:26] That is crazy.

[00:52:28] What do you think of them going to Godric's Hollow?

[00:52:33] I think it's about time.

[00:52:35] I know.

[00:52:35] For real.

[00:52:36] It took a long time getting there.

[00:52:38] Like I didn't even think about it being that long.

[00:52:42] But really they did take their sweet old time.

[00:52:44] I know.

[00:52:45] And he was mentioning it like from the get-go.

[00:52:48] Like in the Weasley's house.

[00:52:49] He was like I have to go to Godric's Hollow.

[00:52:51] And especially because you know like they have to be careful.

[00:52:53] And they have to be choosy over where they go.

[00:52:55] Because they don't know if like you know there's people there.

[00:52:57] Going to ambush them.

[00:52:59] But they aren't trying stuff.

[00:53:02] Like they're planning some stuff.

[00:53:03] But they're like like stagnant.

[00:53:05] I'm like if you're like that just go do something.

[00:53:09] And Bathilda's there.

[00:53:10] Mm-hmm.

[00:53:12] Dumbledore's history is there.

[00:53:13] Harry's parents' history is there.

[00:53:15] I feel like there's so much to gain.

[00:53:18] Mm-hmm.

[00:53:19] And then you can go on your little personal side quest of like say hi to your parents.

[00:53:24] Yeah exactly.

[00:53:25] Pay your respects.

[00:53:27] And there's a whole statue thing dedicated to them.

[00:53:30] That was kind of fun.

[00:53:31] I know.

[00:53:32] It was great when they went there.

[00:53:34] Harry was able to see like even like the graffiti on the little fence post that they saw.

[00:53:39] There's a lot of cute stuff that happened there.

[00:53:42] I don't have many notes about this chapter actually.

[00:53:46] But this was when I was finishing up.

[00:53:50] Mm-hmm.

[00:53:53] They read some stuff from Bathilda.

[00:53:56] Yep.

[00:53:57] And it's just like more history.

[00:54:00] So Hermione comes across that rune too she sees.

[00:54:04] And that triangle thing.

[00:54:06] Yeah Harry says he looks closer.

[00:54:07] Isn't that the same symbol Luna's dad is wearing around his neck?

[00:54:10] That's what I thought too.

[00:54:11] That's Grindelwald's mark.

[00:54:14] But you said that there's deeper meaning yet.

[00:54:16] You think Xenopheles is one of those people that's like oh no.

[00:54:18] Xenopheles is one of those people that's like oh no.

[00:54:19] Grindelwald has it wrong.

[00:54:20] It's like you know something greater beyond this.

[00:54:23] Yeah.

[00:54:24] Yeah.

[00:54:25] So what?

[00:54:26] I'm not making fun of it.

[00:54:27] I'm just saying that's an interesting theory.

[00:54:29] What do you think it is?

[00:54:32] Next question.

[00:54:34] Give me another option.

[00:54:36] Lizzie when we start talking about Lord of the Rings.

[00:54:37] I will be able to theorize with you all day long about this stuff.

[00:54:40] I can't do that now because I already know the end of the story.

[00:54:42] All right.

[00:54:43] Would you walk around wearing this necklace?

[00:54:46] That's a good question.

[00:54:48] Yes and no.

[00:54:50] Explain yourself.

[00:54:56] There is a lot of good and a lot of bad in this.

[00:55:03] And I'll leave it at that.

[00:55:04] Not good enough.

[00:55:06] That's the same thing as yes and no.

[00:55:08] Yeah exactly.

[00:55:09] So if there's a lot of good and a lot of bad.

[00:55:11] Then maybe my theory about Xenopheles seeing like the good.

[00:55:15] Or it's just Grindelwald's mark and a lot of good and a lot of bad came from Grindelwald.

[00:55:20] But you're not okay with that?

[00:55:22] You just need somebody to be all good to wear their symbol?

[00:55:25] No.

[00:55:26] It's just a lot more complicated.

[00:55:29] There's certain symbols in the human world that are mixed.

[00:55:35] Like I'm not going to go around wearing like a Nazi symbol.

[00:55:37] That's just obviously bad.

[00:55:39] But there's other symbols that are like you know they have good things attached to them and they have bad things attached to them.

[00:55:44] Yeah.

[00:55:46] And I'm just going to leave it at that because we'll see as we go on.

[00:55:49] Okay.

[00:55:50] A lot of people have this tattooed on them.

[00:55:52] I think they sometimes get it because of different things that they think it means.

[00:55:55] I think it would be cool to be a seeker of it?

[00:56:06] A seeker of it?

[00:56:09] A seeker of the snitch.

[00:56:15] It definitely happens.

[00:56:17] We'll see.

[00:56:19] A seeker of glory.

[00:56:21] Maybe.

[00:56:23] Perfection.

[00:56:24] And maybe that's why Grindelwald is like a bad guy because he was trying to like wipe out people.

[00:56:29] Yeah, yeah.

[00:56:29] But he has his own like skewed view of perfection.

[00:56:34] Would you ever get it tattooed on you?

[00:56:36] No.

[00:56:37] Do you frown upon the people that do have it tattooed?

[00:56:39] No, of course not.

[00:56:40] Okay.

[00:56:40] You can get whatever tattoos you want to get.

[00:56:42] You don't lose like half your followers.

[00:56:43] No, no, no, no.

[00:56:45] It's definitely like it is the most popular tattoo that people get.

[00:56:49] I think that there's just I think it's just a little bit more complicated than just getting a flat out tattoo on your body or something like this.

[00:56:55] I think there's like some more interesting things that you got to think of when you get that.

[00:56:59] But it's definitely the most popular tattoo that people get in Harry Potter.

[00:57:03] And you associate it strongly with Grindelwald?

[00:57:07] I'm not saying that.

[00:57:08] I'm saying that's what the book's saying.

[00:57:11] But you don't associate it with Grindelwald.

[00:57:13] I'm saying that's what the book's saying.

[00:57:15] Just say what you want to say.

[00:57:18] Say what you mean to say.

[00:57:20] Say what you want to say.

[00:57:23] There's a lot of say what you want to say songs.

[00:57:25] Yes.

[00:57:26] On the headstone of Ariana Dumbledore's grave is where your treasure is there.

[00:57:35] Your heart will be also.

[00:57:37] Is that a clue that Dumbledore is giving them?

[00:57:41] Did Dumbledore write the gravestone?

[00:57:45] Who else would have written the gravestone?

[00:57:47] Whose gravestone is this?

[00:57:49] Bethilda?

[00:57:49] No.

[00:57:51] Bethilda's alive, dude.

[00:57:52] That's what I thought.

[00:57:55] This is her daughter, Ariana.

[00:57:57] Oh, yeah.

[00:57:57] So his sister's grave.

[00:58:01] Yeah.

[00:58:03] Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

[00:58:08] Because if you think about it, her dad's been in jail.

[00:58:11] Probably dead in jail.

[00:58:14] Her brother, her two brothers, her mom was dead before that.

[00:58:16] Her two brothers are at the funeral.

[00:58:19] There's probably not a whole ton of other people at the funeral.

[00:58:21] I'm sure one of the brothers was the one that picked that as the inscription on the headstone.

[00:58:26] If it's Dumbledore, is he trying to hide some meaning in that?

[00:58:29] If we're way down the line.

[00:58:32] Yeah, I could see that happening.

[00:58:34] All right.

[00:58:34] So if her heart is in the ground right now, maybe the treasure's in the ground.

[00:58:41] Huh.

[00:58:41] Buried treasure.

[00:58:43] What kind of treasure would Dumbledore have?

[00:58:46] I think Dumbledore treasures the children of Hogwarts.

[00:58:50] And that's why his heart's in it.

[00:58:53] And that's why he was drinking the potion.

[00:58:57] I feel like he was seeing all the Hogwarts students and he was like, don't do anything

[00:59:00] to them.

[00:59:02] Because that's his heart.

[00:59:03] Okay.

[00:59:04] I like that.

[00:59:05] On the other gravestone, on the Peverell gravestone, it has another one that says that the last

[00:59:13] enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

[00:59:17] And this is the gravestone.

[00:59:21] Oh, no, no, sorry.

[00:59:22] This is on Lily and Lily Potter's.

[00:59:25] The last there.

[00:59:26] So there's the little symbol on the other gravestone, but on Lily Potter's gravestone, it says the last

[00:59:32] enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

[00:59:35] What does this mean for the story?

[00:59:43] The last enemy to be destroyed will be death.

[00:59:48] One cannot survive while the other survives.

[00:59:54] I feel like if you kill Voldemort, you're not killing death, though.

[00:59:59] It's like Voldemort is almost taking that the last enemy is defeated to be death.

[01:00:04] I said that wrong.

[01:00:05] But he's like taking that and he's doing the Horcruxes to get around that.

[01:00:10] And it's like, psych, I actually can defeat it.

[01:00:12] Like I win over death.

[01:00:15] Yep.

[01:00:16] Because he's eternal now.

[01:00:18] But I don't know.

[01:00:19] I remember there's like Dumbledore and Harry are in this like white thing together.

[01:00:24] Huh.

[01:00:25] And I guess they defeat death or something.

[01:00:29] Because Harry thinks it's a...

[01:00:31] Lily defeat death?

[01:00:31] They have a conversation here and Harry is like, isn't that a Death Eater idea?

[01:00:34] And Hermione shoots it down saying, oh no, it's like accepting death.

[01:00:37] I don't think it's like that.

[01:00:39] I don't think it is.

[01:00:39] Yeah, I think it's different.

[01:00:40] I think she's wrong.

[01:00:42] Yeah.

[01:00:44] What do you think it is?

[01:00:47] I don't know.

[01:00:49] Would you get this on your gravestone?

[01:00:51] Yeah, definitely.

[01:00:52] What quote would you put on your gravestone right now if you died?

[01:00:55] Honestly, I would potentially do the last enemy.

[01:00:57] That'd be, shall be destroyed his death.

[01:00:59] I think that's a cool freaking one.

[01:01:01] That is cool.

[01:01:02] Would you like a tree planted as well?

[01:01:04] Yeah.

[01:01:05] Okay.

[01:01:05] Turn my dead body into a tree.

[01:01:07] Absolutely.

[01:01:07] Nice.

[01:01:08] I think that's actually a really cool sentiment.

[01:01:10] I feel like everyone should do that.

[01:01:13] Would you like a wand buried with you?

[01:01:16] Yes.

[01:01:17] Or you could go like Boromir over the waterfall.

[01:01:21] Oh, that would be the best.

[01:01:22] Just put me over a waterfall with my sword.

[01:01:26] With Anduril.

[01:01:28] And I'm going to be just sitting there.

[01:01:31] Or How to Train Your Dragon.

[01:01:33] That would be great for you because then you'd be like in the woods again.

[01:01:35] Yes.

[01:01:36] It's like your favorite.

[01:01:37] Yes.

[01:01:38] That'd be great.

[01:01:39] Have you seen How to Train Your Dragon?

[01:01:41] You'd be resting in peace.

[01:01:44] Like so peaceful.

[01:01:47] There's a lot of good like burial scenes in movies.

[01:01:51] They're really moving too.

[01:01:52] The How to Train Your Dragon one makes me weep every time in the second movie.

[01:01:56] Have you seen that?

[01:01:57] Is that when they like, do they burn them?

[01:01:58] Yeah.

[01:01:59] On the ship?

[01:02:00] They burn the dad on the ship and they send the arrows.

[01:02:02] And they play the music and it's like, that'd be kind of a cool way to do.

[01:02:05] Like that's all real though.

[01:02:06] Like there's so many cultures that have cool burials.

[01:02:09] Yeah.

[01:02:09] Seriously.

[01:02:09] I love learning about that.

[01:02:10] Like in archaeology.

[01:02:11] Yeah.

[01:02:12] And people would like be in certain positions or they would like face the rising sun.

[01:02:16] Yeah.

[01:02:16] Right.

[01:02:16] It's like really fun.

[01:02:17] It is cool.

[01:02:18] What would you want on your gravestone if you had anything?

[01:02:22] I don't know.

[01:02:26] It's just my name.

[01:02:28] Would you want Elizabeth or Lizzie?

[01:02:31] Elizabeth.

[01:02:32] Elizabeth.

[01:02:33] The full thing.

[01:02:35] Full name.

[01:02:37] Elizabeth to some.

[01:02:38] Lizzie to most.

[01:02:39] Maybe like a little flower carved into my gravestone.

[01:02:45] I like that.

[01:02:46] I was just talking about this with my friend actually the other day we were hiking and we

[01:02:51] were talking about graveyards because she likes graveyards and will just like go and

[01:02:55] sit down and just like chill out.

[01:02:57] But we were talking about like the different things that people do when they get buried

[01:03:00] and we were just like the people that have the benches as gravestones were like they

[01:03:05] know what's up.

[01:03:05] Yeah.

[01:03:06] Because they're just like welcoming you to like hang out again.

[01:03:08] Just come chill with my dead body.

[01:03:09] Yeah.

[01:03:10] Yeah.

[01:03:10] I wouldn't.

[01:03:11] I don't know.

[01:03:11] Maybe I would do that.

[01:03:12] But.

[01:03:14] I don't.

[01:03:15] I actually don't.

[01:03:16] Graveyards are kind of cool for me.

[01:03:17] I would love to redesign graveyards.

[01:03:21] I would love to do like a tree thing.

[01:03:23] Like give me a graveyard where there's more space.

[01:03:27] Like give me like a few acres of land.

[01:03:29] This would be hard to do because.

[01:03:31] And let me make that into a forest.

[01:03:33] Like a purposeful forest.

[01:03:35] So you completely level the thing.

[01:03:37] The thing is all just overgrown glass.

[01:03:38] Grass.

[01:03:39] Glass.

[01:03:39] Glass.

[01:03:39] And then when someone dies you put them in the ground.

[01:03:42] And they have like a large sphere of like area where you can't bury someone.

[01:03:47] Maybe like 30, 40 feet.

[01:03:49] You can't bury someone within that range.

[01:03:50] You plant a tree there.

[01:03:51] And then that tree just naturally goes.

[01:03:54] And so like if you're in this area with this graveyard.

[01:03:56] I think.

[01:03:57] I don't know if I would do this or not.

[01:03:59] But if like you put plant like an oak.

[01:04:01] Like the person gets to choose whatever tree they want to plant.

[01:04:04] Or I don't know.

[01:04:05] I don't know if that's good with.

[01:04:08] I don't know if trees can grow together like that.

[01:04:10] They might need certain ones.

[01:04:11] Non-native trees or whatever.

[01:04:13] But I don't know if you would do something where.

[01:04:15] If those seeds of that tree you'd like cut down everything else except for that.

[01:04:19] Only that tree.

[01:04:20] Or it might be cool too to like.

[01:04:22] If an oak tree like produces its acorns.

[01:04:24] And it starts like sprouting up new oak trees.

[01:04:27] It's like that person's legacy is living even longer.

[01:04:29] And it's like these people are.

[01:04:30] I feel like a cool walkable graveyard.

[01:04:34] Not like kind of maintained but not crazy maintained would be kind of cool.

[01:04:39] My dying wish is that I don't get buried.

[01:04:42] And I just get eaten by animals and the birds.

[01:04:45] I thought you were going to say cremated.

[01:04:47] No.

[01:04:47] I don't want to be cremated.

[01:04:48] I don't want to be buried.

[01:04:50] And that's possible.

[01:04:52] You have to just get like permission to get plopped on somebody's private land.

[01:04:56] Wow.

[01:04:57] So that I've like talked to my mom.

[01:04:59] I'm like I'm so serious.

[01:05:00] Like don't bury me if I die like soon.

[01:05:03] You're going to be eaten.

[01:05:04] Yeah.

[01:05:04] I have like a poem that I wrote and I was like I said something like I need one vulture at my funeral or something.

[01:05:11] And it's like just like all of the encompassing.

[01:05:14] Like they see me.

[01:05:15] I get eaten.

[01:05:16] And then like flowers grow or I die.

[01:05:19] But there's a cool book called Life Everlasting.

[01:05:22] And it starts out with a guy requesting to be just laid out on his friend's property.

[01:05:28] And then it just goes into the life cycle of death for like so many different species of animals.

[01:05:33] It's really I don't know if you'd like it.

[01:05:35] It's kind of like a hippie.

[01:05:37] No it's just like sciencey and not like super enjoyable.

[01:05:41] But it's a good book.

[01:05:43] If you want to read about like beetles and such.

[01:05:47] Yeah if I can just get plopped on somebody's land and just like eaten by the birds.

[01:05:54] Oh that would be so good.

[01:05:56] Wow.

[01:05:57] Because like I think like it's very disruptive to the environment to be buried.

[01:06:02] Like our graveyards are not good.

[01:06:04] Yeah.

[01:06:04] Like cremation is I people argue it's more ecologically beneficial.

[01:06:10] People argue it's not.

[01:06:11] I don't know.

[01:06:12] It's cheaper that's for sure.

[01:06:14] Yeah.

[01:06:15] Well no cost.

[01:06:18] I'm a no cost.

[01:06:20] That's legitimately a brilliant idea.

[01:06:22] My friend said her whole family is like in Europe and they're stacked up on top of each other.

[01:06:29] Yeah.

[01:06:29] And then she's like you have to pay rent for this thing.

[01:06:33] And like somebody missed a payment.

[01:06:34] So they're like evicting my grandma from her grave.

[01:06:37] And I was like are you gonna like ship her over here and like bury her here?

[01:06:41] She's like I don't know what we're gonna do.

[01:06:42] But she's like literally getting evicted from her grave.

[01:06:46] She's like our whole family's there.

[01:06:48] But like nobody wants to.

[01:06:49] Just throw them on some land somewhere.

[01:06:51] Let the birds eat the rest of their remains.

[01:06:52] That's crazy to me though.

[01:06:54] That is wild.

[01:06:54] You gotta pay rent post death.

[01:06:56] Yeah.

[01:06:56] Legitimately that's wild.

[01:06:59] Anyway.

[01:07:00] That's crazy.

[01:07:01] I'm curious like what other cultures would do if like there's new ways that are gonna be invented.

[01:07:05] Just like throw Bonnie on like a pool of maggots or something like that.

[01:07:08] That would be gross.

[01:07:09] That would smell so bad.

[01:07:10] Ew.

[01:07:13] You've probably never seen this movie but there's a movie called Secondhand Lions that I used to grow up watching.

[01:07:17] And it was a great movie.

[01:07:18] Like actually a phenomenal movie.

[01:07:20] And there's a line in that when someone dies and they leave like a note.

[01:07:25] And the movie is about this one kid that grows up with his two uncles.

[01:07:28] And his uncles are like daredevils and adventurous.

[01:07:30] And they don't like them at first.

[01:07:31] And they've come to love them.

[01:07:32] And they are rich.

[01:07:33] And they start getting a ton of stuff shipped to the house because they start using their money.

[01:07:37] And eventually they get two lions on the property because they want to hunt these lions.

[01:07:40] And the lions are like they become just chill lions.

[01:07:43] And they like hang out.

[01:07:45] But the lions die.

[01:07:47] And when this other guy dies he writes this note.

[01:07:49] And me and my mom was like it was like a family quote.

[01:07:51] We quoted all the time to each other when we were like joking about death or something like that.

[01:07:55] The guy in his final note he goes just plant me in the dumb garden with the stupid lions.

[01:08:01] And so we would always say that to each other.

[01:08:03] We're like if I die we're just like yeah just plant me in the stupid garden with the dumb lions.

[01:08:08] That's so funny.

[01:08:09] I don't know why we always said that but it was kind of cute.

[01:08:12] I like that.

[01:08:12] Yeah.

[01:08:14] This is the last thing that I want to mention.

[01:08:15] This is why this is one of my favorite chapters because of what of this single line.

[01:08:20] Or this single paragraph.

[01:08:22] I think it is one of the saddest things that she's ever written.

[01:08:26] Yeah.

[01:08:26] It says but they were they were not living thought Harry.

[01:08:29] They were gone.

[01:08:31] The empty words could not disguise the fact that his parents smoldering remains lay beneath snow and stone.

[01:08:39] Indifferent.

[01:08:41] Unknowing.

[01:08:42] And tears came before he could stop them.

[01:08:45] Boiling hot then instantly freezing on his face.

[01:08:48] And what was the point in wiping them off or pretending?

[01:08:51] He let them fall.

[01:08:52] His lips pressed hard together.

[01:08:55] Looking down at the thick snow hiding from his eyes.

[01:08:58] The place where the last of Lily and James lay.

[01:09:01] Bones now surely.

[01:09:03] Or dust.

[01:09:04] Not knowing or caring that their living son stood so near.

[01:09:08] His heart still beating.

[01:09:09] Alive because of their sacrifice.

[01:09:12] And close to wishing at this moment that he was sleeping under the snow with them.

[01:09:19] It's so freaking good.

[01:09:21] I could literally cry.

[01:09:22] It's one of the best lines that she's ever written.

[01:09:24] That is so sad actually.

[01:09:25] It is Harry.

[01:09:26] What he's experiencing in this moment is.

[01:09:28] Oh my gosh.

[01:09:29] So unbelievably difficultly sad.

[01:09:33] And I think that's one of the best things that she's ever written.

[01:09:37] That and I think the Mira Veracet chapter is one of the best.

[01:09:40] But this one is like just Harry.

[01:09:41] Harry you just feel so sad for him.

[01:09:45] Just sitting there by his parents' grave wishing he was there with them.

[01:09:52] And then he just upped and leaves.

[01:09:54] Yeah.

[01:09:55] Then he just upped and leaves.

[01:09:57] I don't think they're coming back.

[01:09:59] Doesn't sound like it.

[01:10:02] Harry saw it once.

[01:10:08] Well.

[01:10:08] Anyway.

[01:10:09] Thanks for joining us on our journey of Harry Potter and the First Time Readers.

[01:10:12] And on a sad note.

[01:10:14] Bye.

[01:10:15] Bye.