Chapter 1 - The Dark Lord Ascending
- The dedication of this book Is split seven ways: To Neil, To Jessica, To David, To Kenzie, To Di, To Anne, And to you, If you have stuck with Harry until the very end.
- Oh, the torment bred in the race, the grinding scream of death and the stroke that hits the vein, the haemorrhage none can staunch, the grief, the curse no man can bear. But there is a cure in the house and not outside it, no, not from others but from them, their bloody strife. We sing to you, dark gods beneath the earth. Now hear, you blissful powers underground — answer the call, send help. Bless the children, give them triumph now. Aeschylus, The Libation Bearers
- Death is but crossing the world, as friends do the seas; they live in one another still. For they must needs be present, that love and live in that which is omnipresent. In this divine glass they see face to face; and their converse is free, as well as pure. This is the comfort of friends, that though they may be said to die, yet their friendship and society are, in the best sense, ever present, because immortal. William Penn, More Fruits of Solitude
Q1 - What do you think of the forward and dedication?
- The drawing room was full of silent people, sitting at a long and ornate table. The room’s usual furniture had been pushed carelessly up against the walls. Illumination came from a roaring fire beneath a handsome marble mantelpiece surmounted by a gilded mirror. Snape and Yaxley lingered for a moment on the threshold. As their eyes grew accustomed to the lack of light, they were drawn upward to the strangest feature of the scene: an apparently unconscious human figure hanging upside down over the table, revolving slowly as if suspended by an invisible rope, and reflected in the mirror and in the bare, polished surface of the table below. None of the people seated underneath this singular sight was looking at it except for a pale young man sitting almost directly below it. He seemed unable to prevent himself from glancing upward every minute or so.
Q2 - What do you think of this scene?
- “Severus, here,” said Voldemort, indicating the seat on his immediate right. “Yaxley — beside Dolohov.” The two men took their allotted places. Most of the eyes around the table followed Snape, and it was to him that Voldemort spoke first. “So?” “My Lord, the Order of the Phoenix intends to move Harry Potter from his current place of safety on Saturday next, at nightfall.” The interest around the table sharpened palpably: Some stiffened, others fidgeted, all gazing at Snape and Voldemort. “Saturday . . . at nightfall,” repeated Voldemort. His red eyes fastened upon Snape’s black ones with such intensity that some of the watchers looked away, apparently fearful that they themselves would be scorched by the ferocity of the gaze. Snape, however, looked calmly back into Voldemort’s face and, after a moment or two, Voldemort’s lipless mouth curved into something like a smile. “Good. Very good. And this information comes —” “— from the source we discussed,” said Snape.
Q3 - What is going on here and who is their source?
- Again, Voldemort looked up at the slowly revolving body as he went on, “I shall attend to the boy in person. There have been too many mistakes where Harry Potter is concerned. Some of them have been my own. That Potter lives is due more to my errors than to his triumphs.”
- “I have been careless, and so have been thwarted by luck and chance, those wreckers of all but the best-laid plans. But I know better now. I understand those things that I did not understand before. I must be the one to kill Harry Potter, and I shall be.”
Q4 - Is Voldemort right here?
- At these words, seemingly in response to them, a sudden wail sounded, a terrible, drawn-out cry of misery and pain. Many of those at the table looked downward, startled, for the sound had seemed to issue from below their feet. “Wormtail,” said Voldemort, with no change in his quiet, thoughtful tone, and without removing his eyes from the revolving body above, “have I not spoken to you about keeping our prisoner quiet?”
Q5 - Who is their prisoner?
- “As I was saying,” continued Voldemort, looking again at the tense faces of his followers, “I understand better now. I shall need, for instance, to borrow a wand from one of you before I go to kill Potter.” The faces around him displayed nothing but shock; he might have announced that he wanted to borrow one of their arms.
Q6 - Why does he need to borrow one of their wands?
- “No higher pleasure,” repeated Voldemort, his head tilted a little to one side as he considered Bellatrix. “That means a great deal, Bellatrix, from you.” Her face flooded with color; her eyes welled with tears of delight. “My Lord knows I speak nothing but the truth!” “No higher pleasure . . . even compared with the happy event that, I hear, has taken place in your family this week?” She stared at him, her lips parted, evidently confused. “I don’t know what you mean, my Lord.” “I’m talking about your niece, Bellatrix. And yours, Lucius and Narcissa. She has just married the werewolf, Remus Lupin. You must be so proud.”
Q7 - To Jenn’s point, why do they follow Voldemort?
- “You must prune yours, must you not, to keep it healthy? Cut away those parts that threaten the health of the rest.” “Yes, my Lord,” whispered Bellatrix, and her eyes swam with tears of gratitude again. “At the first chance!” “You shall have it,” said Voldemort. “And in your family, so in the world . . . we shall cut away the canker that infects us until only those of the true blood remain. . . .”
Q8 - Is he talking about killing Lupin and Tonks?
- “For those of you who do not know, we are joined here tonight by Charity Burbage who, until recently, taught at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.”
Q9 - Did Snape give up his coworker here?
- Nobody laughed this time: There was no mistaking the anger and contempt in Voldemort’s voice. For the third time, Charity Burbage revolved to face Snape. Tears were pouring from her eyes into her hair. Snape looked back at her, quite impassive, as she turned slowly away from him again. “Avada Kedavra.”
Q10 - How evil is this scene?
Chapter 2 - In Memoriam
- Harry had spent the morning completely emptying his school trunk for the first time since he had packed it six years ago.
Q1 - How gross is Harry?
- He recognized it at once. It was a two-inch-long fragment of the enchanted mirror that his dead godfather, Sirius, had given him. Harry laid it aside and felt cautiously around the trunk for the rest, but nothing more remained of his godfather’s last gift except powdered glass, which clung to the deepest layer of debris like glittering grit.
Q2 - Will this come back in the end of the story?
- For his part, Albus had arrived at Hogwarts under the burden of unwanted notoriety. Scarcely a year previously, his father, Percival, had been convicted of a savage and well-publicized attack upon three young Muggles. Albus never attempted to deny that his father (who was to die in Azkaban) had committed this crime; on the contrary, when I plucked up courage to ask him, he assured me that he knew his father to be guilty. Beyond that, Dumbledore refused to speak of the sad business, though many attempted to make him do so.
Q3 - Is this true? Why didn’t Harry know anything about this?
- In a matter of months, however, Albus’s own fame had begun to eclipse that of his father. By the end of his first year he would never again be known as the son of a Muggle-hater, but as nothing more or less than the most brilliant student ever seen at the school.
Q4 - Is this a realistic depiction of Albus? Can a first year be the best student in the school?
- When Albus and I left Hogwarts we intended to take the then-traditional tour of the world together, visiting and observing foreign wizards, before pursuing our separate careers. However, tragedy intervened. On the very eve of our trip, Albus’s mother, Kendra, died, leaving Albus the head, and sole breadwinner, of the family. I postponed my departure long enough to pay my respects at Kendra’s funeral, then left for what was now to be a solitary journey. With a younger brother and sister to care for, and little gold left to them, there could no longer be any question of Albus accompanying me.
Q5 - Did you know Dumbledore had a sister?
- Though Ariana had been in poor health for a long time, the blow, coming so soon after the loss of their mother, had a profound effect on both of her brothers. All those closest to Albus — and I count myself one of that lucky number — agree that Ariana’s death, and Albus’s feeling of personal responsibility for it (though, of course, he was guiltless), left their mark upon him forevermore.
Q6 - Why would Dumbledore feel personally responsible?
- He died as he lived: working always for the greater good and, to his last hour, as willing to stretch out a hand to a small boy with dragon pox as he was on the day that I met him.
Q7 - What do you think of the line “for the greater good.”
- He had never thought to ask Dumbledore about his past. No doubt it would have felt strange, impertinent even, but after all, it had been common knowledge that Dumbledore had taken part in that legendary duel with Grindelwald, and Harry had not thought to ask Dumbledore what that had been like, nor about any of his other famous achievements. No, they had always discussed Harry, Harry’s past, Harry’s future, Harry’s plans . . . and it seemed to Harry now, despite the fact that his future was so dangerous and so uncertain, that he had missed irreplaceable opportunities when he had failed to ask Dumbledore more about himself, even though the only personal question he had ever asked his headmaster was also the only one he suspected that Dumbledore had not answered honestly: “What do you see when you look in the mirror?” “I? I see myself holding a pair of thick, woolen socks.”
Q8 - What do you think he saw in the mirror?
- In person, Rita Skeeter is much warmer and softer than her famously ferocious quill-portraits might suggest. Greeting me in the hallway of her cozy home, she leads me straight into the kitchen for a cup of tea, a slice of pound cake and, it goes without saying, a steaming vat of freshest gossip.
Q9 - Will any of this biography be true?
- Skeeter was certainly quick off the mark. Her nine-hundred-page book was completed a mere four weeks after Dumbledore’s mysterious death in June.
- But old Dodgy Doge can get off his high hippogriff, because I’ve had access to a source most journalists would swap their wands for, one who has never spoken in public before and who was close to Dumbledore during the most turbulent and disturbing phase of his youth.”
Q10 - Who is this source?
- No, it’s the mother and the sister that intrigued me, and a little digging uncovered a positive nest of nastiness — but, as I say, you’ll have to wait for chapters nine to twelve for full details. All I can say now is, it’s no wonder Dumbledore never talked about how his nose got broken.”
Q11 - Will any of this be true? What is she talking about here?
- It’s been called unhealthy, even sinister. . . .
Q12 - How would you describe their relationship with each other?
- Harry sat down hard on the bed. The broken bit of mirror danced away from him; he picked it up and turned it over in his fingers, thinking, thinking of Dumbledore and the lies with which Rita Skeeter was defaming him. . . . A flash of brightest blue. Harry froze, his cut finger slipping on the jagged edge of the mirror again. He had imagined it, he must have done. He glanced over his shoulder, but the wall was a sickly peach color of Aunt Petunia’s choosing: There was nothing blue there for the mirror to reflect. He peered into the mirror fragment again, and saw nothing but his own bright green eye looking back at him. He had imagined it, there was no other explanation; imagined it, because he had been thinking of his dead headmaster. If anything was certain, it was that the bright blue eyes of Albus Dumbledore would never pierce him again.
Q13 - What just happened?
Chapter 3 - The Dursleys Departing
- Harry pressed on remorselessly. “Once I’m seventeen, the protective charm that keeps me safe will break, and that exposes you as well as me. The Order is sure Voldemort will target you, whether to torture you to try and find out where I am, or because he thinks by holding you hostage I’d come and try to rescue you.”
Q1 - What do you think of this?
Q2 - Do you think the Dursleys are ridiculous? Do you have any sympathy for them?
- The prospect of parting — probably forever — from his aunt, uncle, and cousin was one that he was able to contemplate quite cheerfully, but there was nevertheless a certain awkwardness in the air. What did you say to one another at the end of sixteen years’ solid dislike?
- “Well, this is good-bye, then, boy.” He swung his right arm upward to shake Harry’s hand, but at the last moment seemed unable to face it, and merely closed his fist and began swinging it backward and forward like a metronome. “Ready, Diddy?” asked Aunt Petunia, fussily checking the clasp of her handbag so as to avoid looking at Harry altogether. Dudley did not answer, but stood there with his mouth slightly ajar, reminding Harry a little of the giant, Grawp. “Come along, then,” said Uncle Vernon. He had already reached the living room door when Dudley mumbled, “I don’t understand.” “What don’t you understand, popkin?” asked Aunt Petunia, looking up at her son. Dudley raised a large, hamlike hand to point at Harry. “Why isn’t he coming with us?” Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia froze where they stood, staring at Dudley as though he had just expressed a desire to become a ballerina. “What?” said Uncle Vernon loudly. “Why isn’t he coming too?” asked Dudley. “Well, he — he doesn’t want to,” said Uncle Vernon, turning to glare at Harry and adding, “You don’t want to, do you?” “Not in the slightest,” said Harry. “There you are,” Uncle Vernon told Dudley. “Now come on, we’re off.” He marched out of the room. They heard the front door open, but Dudley did not move and after a few faltering steps Aunt Petunia stopped too. “What now?” barked Uncle Vernon, reappearing in the doorway. It seemed that Dudley was struggling with concepts too difficult to put into words. After several moments of apparently painful internal struggle he said, “But where’s he going to go?” Aunt Petunia and Uncle Vernon looked at each other. It was clear that Dudley was frightening them. Hestia Jones broke the silence. “But . . . surely you know where your nephew is going?” she asked, looking bewildered. “Certainly we know,” said Vernon Dursley. “He’s off with some of your lot, isn’t he? Right, Dudley, let’s get in the car, you heard the man, we’re in a hurry.” Again, Vernon Dursley marched as far as the front door, but Dudley did not follow. “Off with some of our lot?” Hestia looked outraged. Harry had met this attitude before: Witches and wizards seemed stunned that his closest living relatives took so little interest in the famous Harry Potter. “It’s fine,” Harry assured her. “It doesn’t matter, honestly.” “Doesn’t matter?” repeated Hestia, her voice rising ominously. “Don’t these people realize what you’ve been through? What danger you are in? The unique position you hold in the hearts of the antiVoldemort movement?” “Er — no, they don’t,” said Harry. “They think I’m a waste of space, actually, but I’m used to —” “I don’t think you’re a waste of space.” If Harry had not seen Dudley’s lips move, he might not have believed it. As it was, he stared at Dudley for several seconds before accepting that it must have been his cousin who had spoken; for one thing, Dudley had turned red. Harry was embarrassed and astonished himself. “Well . . . er . . . thanks, Dudley.” Again, Dudley appeared to grapple with thoughts too unwieldy for expression before mumbling, “You saved my life.” “Not really,” said Harry. “It was your soul the dementor would have taken. . . .” He looked curiously at his cousin. They had had virtually no contact during this summer or last, as Harry had come back to Privet Drive so briefly and kept to his room so much. It now dawned on Harry, however, that the cup of cold tea on which he had trodden that morning might not have been a booby trap at all. Although rather touched, he was nevertheless quite relieved that Dudley appeared to have exhausted his ability to express his feelings. After opening his mouth once or twice more, Dudley subsided into scarletfaced silence.
Q3 - What do you think of Dudley doing this?
- Aunt Petunia, whose face had been buried in her handkerchief, looked around at the sound. She did not seem to have expected to find herself alone with Harry. Hastily stowing her wet handkerchief into her pocket, she said, “Well — good-bye,” and marched toward the door without looking at him. “Good-bye,” said Harry. She stopped and looked back. For a moment Harry had the strangest feeling that she wanted to say something to him: She gave him an odd, tremulous look and seemed to teeter on the edge of speech, but then, with a little jerk of her head, she bustled out of the room after her husband and son.
Q4 - What do you think she wanted to say to him?
Chapter 4 - The Seven Potters
Q1 - What did you think this chapter initially meant?
- It gave him an odd, empty feeling to remember those times; it was like remembering a younger brother whom he had lost.
- Harry looked around at the stacked shoes and umbrellas, remembering how he used to wake every morning looking up at the underside of the staircase, which was more often than not adorned with a spider or two. Those had been the days before he had known anything about his true identity; before he had found out how his parents had died or why such strange things often happened around him. But Harry could still remember the dreams that had dogged him, even in those days: confused dreams involving flashes of green light and once — Uncle Vernon had nearly crashed the car when Harry had recounted it — a flying motorbike . . .
Q2 - Is there anything else about that flash of green light you think is important?
- Harry’s heart seemed to expand and glow at the sight: He felt incredibly fond of all of them, even Mundungus, whom he had tried to strangle the last time they had met.
- “You got married?” Harry yelped, looking from her to Lupin. “I’m sorry you couldn’t be there, Harry, it was very quiet.” “That’s brilliant, congrat —” “All right, all right, we’ll have time for a cozy catch-up later!”
Q3 - What do you think of Lupin and Tonks getting married?
- “So this time, when you leave, there’ll be no going back, and the charm will break the moment you get outside its range. We’re choosing to break it early, because the alternative is waiting for You-KnowWho to come and seize you the moment you turn seventeen.
Q4 - What would your plan be to get Harry out safely?
- From inside his cloak Moody now withdrew a flask of what looked like mud. There was no need for him to say another word; Harry understood the rest of the plan immediately. “No!” he said loudly, his voice ringing through the kitchen. “No way!” “I told them you’d take it like this,” said Hermione with a hint of complacency. “If you think I’m going to let six people risk their lives — !” “— because it’s the first time for all of us,” said Ron. “This is different, pretending to be me —” “Well, none of us really fancy it, Harry,” said Fred earnestly. “Imagine if something went wrong and we were stuck as specky, scrawny gits forever.” Harry did not smile.
Q5 - Jenn you mentioned this is unsafe in that Harry doesn’t even know who they are? Are any of them using polyjuice here to cover themselves up?
- They might not be able to get at you or this house while your mother’s charm holds, but it’s about to break and they know the rough position of the place. Our only chance is to use decoys. Even You-Know-Who can’t split himself into seven.” Harry caught Hermione’s eye and looked away at once. “So, Potter — some of your hair, if you please.”
Q6 - What would the harm be in telling everyone about Voldemort's Horcruxes?
- Harry dropped the hair into the mudlike liquid. The moment it made contact with its surface, the potion began to froth and smoke, then, all at once, it turned a clear, bright gold.
Q7 - Any significance of it turning gold here?
- When he straightened up again, there were six Harry Potters gasping and panting in front of him. Fred and George turned to each other and said together, “Wow — we’re identical!” “I dunno, though, I think I’m still better-looking,” said Fred, examining his reflection in the kettle. “Bah,” said Fleur, checking herself in the microwave door, “Bill, don’t look at me — I’m ’ideous.”
Q8 - How about the slight dig that Fleur gives here?
Q9 - Who would you want guarding you if you were one of the seven potters?
- The broomstick spun to earth, but he just managed to seize the strap of his rucksack and the top of the cage as the motorbike swung the right way up again. A second’s relief, and then another burst of green light. The owl screeched and fell to the floor of the cage. “No — NO!” The motorbike zoomed forward; Harry glimpsed hooded Death Eaters scattering as Hagrid blasted through their circle. “Hedwig — Hedwig —” But the owl lay motionless and pathetic as a toy on the floor of her cage.
Q10 - How do you feel about Hedwig’s death?
- Harry saw the strangely blank face of Stanley Shunpike — Stan — “Expelliarmus!” Harry yelled. “That’s him, it’s him, it’s the real one!” The hooded Death Eater’s shout reached Harry even above the thunder of the motorbike’s engine: Next moment, both pursuers had fallen back and disappeared from view.
Q11 - Is Stan Shunpike an actual Death Eater?
Q12 - Why has Expelliarmus become Harry’s calling card?
- Harry felt the bike drop a little, though the lights down on the ground still seemed remote as stars. Then the scar on his forehead burned like fire; as a Death Eater appeared on either side of the bike, two Killing Curses missed Harry by millimeters, cast from behind — And then Harry saw him. Voldemort was flying like smoke on the wind, without broomstick or thestral to hold him, his snakelike face gleaming out of the blackness, his white fingers raising his wand again —
Q13 - How terrifying is this scene?
- It was over: He could not see or hear where Voldemort was; he glimpsed another Death Eater swooping out of the way and heard, “Avada —” As the pain from Harry’s scar forced his eyes shut, his wand acted of its own accord. He felt it drag his hand around like some great magnet, saw a spurt of golden fire through his half-closed eyelids, heard a crack and a scream of fury. The remaining Death Eater yelled; Voldemort screamed, “No!”: Somehow, Harry found his nose an inch from the dragon-fire button. He punched it with his wand-free hand and the bike shot more flames into the air, hurtling straight toward the ground.
Q14 - How did this happen?
- He felt Voldemort before he saw him. Looking sideways, he stared into the red eyes and was sure they would be the last thing he ever saw: Voldemort preparing to curse him once more — And then Voldemort vanished. Harry looked down and saw Hagrid spread-eagled on the ground below him. He pulled hard at the handlebars to avoid hitting him, groped for the brake, but with an earsplitting, ground-trembling crash, he smashed into a muddy pond.
Q15 - How good of an ending is this chapter and the title of the next…
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[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You just read four chapters of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows and we're gonna discuss them
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[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause you read more in chapter five
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[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But you didn't like say anything though. I know you could have stopped me
[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to stop you though. I was like she needs to rest. She needs to be at peace
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[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm always like I either avoid the cliffhanger and I like end early or
[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I read like the next paragraph to make sure that there's closure
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[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I still just love the idea that this is like
[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Such a good bedtime story for kids. Yeah, like you read that chapter and you're like we'll find out tonight tomorrow
[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like you really get the excitement gone
[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Your kids just crying
[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Just go to bed. It's past your bedtime
[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's so many like cliffhanger chapters
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[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's go over chapter one
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[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like a meeting of the death eaters and Voldemort and there's a lady
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[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how she no, she's just like dangling above the table
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[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what's dealing with or what's happening at hog war. It's like what the order is doing
[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like a decoy person too and then the ministry is like starting to get infiltrated. Yep
[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the new minister of magick's name?
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[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Pious thickness
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[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: apt
[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what did you think of this whole chapter like the it in its entirety? Did you like how this book opened up?
[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yes, I love when they just jump in the deep end like this
[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it reminds me of book four. Yeah. Yeah
[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. I just feel like to get the plot going right away
[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm more into that than like the slow wind up to the plot. Yeah
[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like at this point we're running out of time too because it's book seven
[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So we gotta get moving. Yeah
[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's probably gonna be pretty fast paced. Yeah, what do you think is gonna happen in this book?
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You you said you remember one section of this book
[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Or like not one section but like something that they do in this book
[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: What do I remember they went camping? Oh, yeah
[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: um, yeah, I think
[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Harry like runs away or maybe he's on his horcrux hunt
[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I remember I think he was alone
[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I think Ron and Hermione like come later
[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a patronus in the forest, I think okay
[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. Um, oh you're going with any of that but that's what I remember
[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And you just had like a dream about this and it's not really what's happening. Maybe you're gaslighting me
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[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. I just know they're out there by themselves
[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm assuming like well, yeah, like the battle part happens and but I don't remember much about that
[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like the big war. Yeah
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[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So in this chapter and I wait I remembered the little broom chase too
[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah
[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But not like fully because obviously I was like is Hagrid dead. Yeah, that was chapter four
[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's just in terms of what I remember the book like that's it. Did you remember headwig dying?
[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: No
[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of came out of left field. Yeah, that was quite sad. Yeah
[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's tragic how she dies too in her cage
[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess she gets like killed and then
[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping she like dies peacefully and then hits the ground
[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: She's already dead and doesn't just like hit the ground and then just rot in her cage. Yeah
[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry
[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yikes, yeah, I like to think that she's I think she died in her cage and then the cage fell and then
[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't have it anymore because didn't she get zapped with a spell while they were yeah
[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why is Hagrid the one?
[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like protecting harry which is a great point. We will talk about that in a second, but we're not at that chapter yet
[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great question. I want to talk about that. Okay
[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But before we go to those chapters
[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: They to Snape talks about how he has a source in the order
[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So
[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: There's this one section where it says saturday and nightfall repeated Voldemort his eyes
[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: His right eye is fastened upon Snape's black ones with such intensity that some of the watchers looked away
[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently fearful that they themselves be scorched by the ferocity of the gaze
[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Snape however looked calmly back into Voldemort's face
[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: After a moment or two Voldemort's lipless mouth curved into something like a smile. Good very good. This information comes
[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: From the source we discussed said Snape
[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Who is this source?
[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: From the order do you think someone is bad in the order and they're giving information?
[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe
[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Mandangas
[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a pretty
[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty good guess
[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: but
[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. I feel like it would just be Snape
[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: being with the order
[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And overhearing stuff rather than like another person of the order. Yeah is
[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like either imperious or just giving up information. Yeah, but the way they phrase it like the source we discussed makes it sound like it's not himself
[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like nobody like I trust everyone in that order. I think yeah
[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay
[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's another point too and we talked about this all the time in the first season because Jen doesn't understand that
[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And we've talked about this as well. Why does anybody want to follow Voldemort?
[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think at this point in time
[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably most people wouldn't want to but they're in
[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: too deep
[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like so yeah, it's too late to turn back
[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because now he's fully powerful and like at the end of the day you want to live
[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So because most people like even when that when Snape and him are locked eyes
[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like people can't even look because they're like nervous and afraid
[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone seems afraid. I thought they were like Auckland seeing each other. Do you think that they were?
[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they were like testing that
[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They were being like truthful. Okay, but I don't know how like the two best
[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Aquaman's how they look at each other's brains. Who do you think is better?
[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Um probably Snape really? Yeah, like do you think he's a better wizard overall?
[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Or do you think that he's just a better aquaman's or a legitimate?
[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Um
[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he might be a better wizard
[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But has not gone to the lengths that Voldemort has okay
[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I still feel like Snape wouldn't go as dark as Voldemort and do the Horcruxes
[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And that kind of stuff, but I feel like
[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: 100% confident that if you sent Snape to do to like go hunt all the Horcruxes that he could do it no problem
[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting. Wow. That's why like if they went to the cave before with Snape
[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Dumbledore wouldn't have died exactly
[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But Snape would just kill Dumbledore in the cave
[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like why couldn't Dumbledore just
[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I guess because he's a legitimate too that he can just block out his
[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Thoughts if he was thinking about killing Dumbledore
[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But even like this scene when they're at the table like the
[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Malfoys are both Malfoy parents there or the dad is still gone. Uh, the dad is in prison
[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's the mom and Bellatrix and Draco actually no, um
[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you just got broken out of prison
[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably in the summer I think
[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was there. I think he's there. Yeah, he's there. He's there. He's but anyways, I felt like they
[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were not excited to be at this meeting and it'd be like
[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm like so honored to be with Voldemort
[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like they probably were just like we like what have we done like at this point?
[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We're so far into this they're clearly that they're clearly like we have gone too far
[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: We can't get out now
[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And even from uh, remember Dumbledore pleading with uh, Draco the last book
[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, before jaco is about to kill him. He's like we can hide your family. He's like you can't do anything now
[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's too late. He expects me to do this. Yeah, Draco feels that uh, luchas feels that and our sister feels that
[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they all are in like too far and I think there's a point and the reason why
[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I even remember that luchas was there. It's because Voldemort steals his wand
[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Why did Voldemort take luchas's wand? I don't know what happened to Voldemort's wand. I know right
[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he not have the wand? Oh never mind
[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's out of order. Um
[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't on the tower or anything
[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: When would he have lost his wand at the ministry when he's dueling with Dumbledore?
[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the last time we've heard about Voldemort's wand? Yeah
[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so like anything
[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He could have gone and down and like lost it with the horcruxes in the cave or something
[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he sounds like he's checking up on them
[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know. I guess his wand's broken
[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't think like a
[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a mouth boy wand would be any stronger than okay or not
[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think mouth boys wanted stronger than Voldemort's wand. Okay, so I don't
[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Who possesses the strongest wand in all of Harry Potter?
[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Dumbledore
[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Just because he's the best wizard because I think that's like the elder wand
[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: What?
[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Is nothing
[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So what?
[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The elder wand. Okay, let me look at the chapter
[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Um
[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The most powerful wand. Okay
[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So Dumbledore has that I think so
[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know I've heard that before somewhere
[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the only wand I know of that is not in anyone's possession
[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Um
[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Did they bury his wand with him?
[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: They buried the wand with somebody when they died
[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what do they do with wands when they people die?
[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Do they recycle them they plant them?
[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is such a that's such a good day. I love that plant them and they grow into
[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's my lore right now. Yeah, that's my head can
[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they snap them and then like put them in the coffin
[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: With the people snapping them
[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's wasteful
[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But kind of honors the person a little bit. Yeah, and then it's like
[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. I feel like the wand is very personal
[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's I could see that as being like honorable that like your wand isn't going to do any magic without you
[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like it dies with you
[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what they should do that it would be kind of fun if
[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Your wand
[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like judges your character. So like if you die, I don't know maybe this would be terrible
[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But going along with the tree thing if when you died they planted your wand in the ground next to you and
[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: The size and like health of the tree was how
[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You know
[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Good of a person you were it like and your wand was the one that was making those judgments
[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So like if it's this beautiful like massive like cherry tree or something like that
[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: People can walk by your grave and be like this is a person. That's worthy of honor
[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And like
[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort's is like a little like, you know, Charlie Brown Christmas tree
[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no tree grows. Yeah, exactly
[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That would be so beautiful and then you get to like walk through a forest and some graveyard
[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be so cool. Yeah
[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to do this now we got to figure out how to make this happen in real life
[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You really need a lot of science and you to figure this out
[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about how what do you think about like just the vibes of this scene?
[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything here seems pretty evil. But what was your like just general take on it?
[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The vibes are not cool
[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Murder. Yeah, the person like hanging from the ceiling
[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of ruined the vibe
[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I didn't expect her to die. I guess like I don't know why they killed her
[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I guess because she's a muggle lover. Yeah
[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But like she's literally just there for like decoration like no other purpose so gross
[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: but
[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The vibe was that Voldemort's very in charge. Everyone here is like
[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: scared to speak
[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Snape is not apparently and they're like staring each other down
[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess because he's
[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Fulfilling all of his duties and he's like has nothing to hide at this point
[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah, I would think Snape feels pretty good in Voldemort's presence after killing Dumbledore
[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like and on top of that Snape is probably the one that brought
[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: charity Burbage to him as well
[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: How did that happen from school? Yeah
[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: potentially we I mean we don't know it could have happened another way but
[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yikes, it's pretty gross
[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he kill her or did Voldemort kill her or who killed her?
[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort
[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: For no reason
[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Because of her views on
[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: muggle and wizard relationships
[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But that could be anyone
[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many people. This is like just a microcosm of what it could be with with anybody
[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't I felt like the death eaters were kind of uncomfortable
[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That's also why I think
[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: They are all in too far and it's like too late to turn back because it felt like they weren't used to this type of setting
[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether that be the lady hanging from the ceiling or just being at the table with Voldemort
[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: um
[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They all kind of felt like uncomfortable
[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was wondering what the other meetings like
[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: 10 years ago or something whenever uh, Voldemort was
[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Very powerful and before killing Harry
[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if the if the vibe was better and they had all like more freedom to talk and stuff
[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But now they're kind of just like why are we doing this?
[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: We are a little sleeve servant things now
[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're scared
[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: um
[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there is this line
[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that
[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Dumbledore I think Dumbledore tells Harry
[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: about
[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: The followers of Voldemort and why Voldemort even gained followers and I think they all fit into this to some extent
[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I know what you're gonna say. I think they were a motley collection a mixture of the weak seeking protection
[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a fair few of them
[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So some of them are pretty weak. I mean like the prototype for that is
[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Wormtail
[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the one that is just going from from strong person to strong person in his life just trying to
[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Get protection
[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The ambitious seeking some shared glory
[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I feel like bellatrix
[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The mouth always
[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think they all possess the mouth voice. I think for sure
[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think the I think the people in this category are the people who
[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: um
[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Regret it the most because although the although he's drawing they're doing some
[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Disgusting stuff and they're like we're in too far now
[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We just have to keep going and then the last one is the thuggish gravitate gravitating toward the leader
[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Who could show them more refined forms of cruelty?
[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's I think what you got a few you don't get all of them, but there I think there's some people there who are just
[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Like lavishing and the the cruelty that he's doing and they love it
[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't be me
[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: All right chapter two. Let's do chapter two
[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter two is in memoriam
[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a summary of this one
[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a lot of
[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Article reading I think yeah, there's he finds so he's cleaning out his
[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: trunk
[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a little piece of mirror that's like
[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Dumbledore's in there. I think
[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Um or there's just a flash of blue light, but then there's the big article from
[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Alpheus yep alpheus doge doge
[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Um and then also like Rita Skeeter
[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Comes back and she wrote like a giant book already about Dumbledore and she's getting interviewed about that book
[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's kind of going through all his stuff and reading this and then
[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: um
[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I forget how it ends. I think
[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it just ends with that flash of blue light from the mirror and it's like
[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: What was that Dumbledore's at?
[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question
[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so in this you learned of a few different sides of Dumbledore's story
[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So alpheus doge writes like kind one and then Rita Skeeter and hers
[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: She's giving like a little snippet and it's pretty nasty one
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think are Dumbledore's backstory?
[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we learned about his family. Okay
[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: but
[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You think all this is true
[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Who is alpheus doge? He was here before right? We've heard of him
[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so. He definitely was
[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Somewhere because I remember like I feel like I remember that name unless if that's miraculously
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Just in my brain still
[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought we heard his name somewhere
[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if
[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: where's like
[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: appearances his first appearance is in the order of the phoenix
[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he only appears so I guess I think he's mentioned in the order of the phoenix
[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the original order
[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and then he's only mentioned again in this book
[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So he was there. Yeah
[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: From the article, what did you learn of him? Who is he?
[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, his dad killed
[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: three moguls
[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wait, are you saying about doge or about Dumbledore? Well, yeah, we'll do
[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do Dumbledore. Okay. I don't know much about that
[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like doge was just a buddy of his that like traveled the world with him for a bit or was going to
[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the other year of
[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Travel which didn't happen. But what you learned about Dumbledore is that his dad killed moguls
[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: His mom is dead
[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and then
[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't deny that like his dad killed moguls. He just doesn't really talk about it
[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just like whatever is this true or not?
[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know like I would never even question that it is true
[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I just read that as fact. Okay, because they've never spoken about his family except his goat loving brother
[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm accepting that issue and this is also backing that up. Yeah
[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it talks a little bit about his fight with grind of walds. Yeah, what do you think of that?
[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that was like a publicized
[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Event like I thought it was just a little duel in private
[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay. So that's but apparently I had like witnesses and everything. Yeah, so there were witnesses there, but I mean
[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I witness testimony isn't the most reliable thing in the world
[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: so
[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: As opposed to what other?
[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, but all I'm saying is
[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: All I'm saying is in court
[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I witness testimony. I think is getting discounted as of late
[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We're not discounted is is just
[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: People are realizing that it's not quite as reliable as people thought it was. Okay, like you need it for sure
[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So in this I mean like it could be completely true, but we're we're relying on people who
[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe caught a snippet of it here and there and are trying to do things together
[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: No, like I feel that way about rita because like what rita's seeing is not what rita's talking about
[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: At the time. Yep. So
[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and how rita is getting this information is a little shady too. She just seems a little
[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: A little strange
[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_02]: She is a little strange
[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Fair statement. Oh does he he has a sister too?
[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Elmelor. Yeah. Yeah
[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So his family he's got a brother. He's got a sister and his mom and dad
[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So parents and sister die
[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And then abirforth is alive. Yeah abirforth still alive sister is dead mother's dead father's dead father was on a way for prison for attacking muggles
[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: dead
[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Bullet points, let's go
[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: This is how my brain functions
[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, why is he blaming himself for his sister's death? Yeah, why is he blaming himself for his sister's death?
[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. He's just asked that question. Um, maybe he couldn't protect her
[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he was there. He saw it happen
[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the brother killed the sister
[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they were estranged and then they like made peace after I don't know
[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: At another point, why is any of this any important at all?
[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: What is any of this important for what we're what this story is going to
[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Lead to I don't know. This is a big book. Yeah, I feel like it probably is
[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like 800 pages and how does Harry not know any of this?
[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he doesn't ask other people about themselves. He just since there
[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was his little regret like we had a moment of that where he
[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Was sitting thinking to himself like why did I never think to ask Dumbledore
[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: These questions, but I'm not sure Dumbledore would have really answered them either
[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Dumbledore wasn't a guy who answered a lot of questions that Harry had
[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think Harry got a lot of confidence with asking you any questions
[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Dumbledore would have been like, oh, I'll tell you that, you know next week
[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he just kept saying that a week after week. Yeah, I'm sure with all of Dumbledore's
[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Accomplishments and like publications that he could have found a lot if he looked by himself
[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he could have just gone to the library and probably found a bunch of stuff
[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's like not even curious like that
[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Hermione is probably like, oh, you didn't know that. Yeah, I'm curious how much Hermione would actually know about this
[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I wish they had Google. I wish like Hermione was like able to be like
[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, let me just google Dumbledore and see what like, you know, they've written about him
[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Hermione and Ron don't really have much face-to-face with Dumbledore
[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's all through Harry. So I feel like they're they know him as a person just because their best friend is
[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: homies with Dumbledore, but
[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's valid. I don't know
[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What's up Lou?
[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Got something to say
[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this chapter
[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like two articles that are kind of pitted against each other
[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Um Rita Skeeter seems like the less reliable one. Elfius doges seems like the one that's more true
[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: um
[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah
[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: The more important question
[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Who do you see in the mirror?
[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Dumbledore
[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So his blue eyes shining is this a way to communicate with dead or is Dumbledore alive?
[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I don't even want to say yes that Dumbledore is alive because it took me so long
[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: to
[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: grapple with the fact that he's dead
[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: That I don't know if I can handle it
[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna have to go through all the prizes of grieving again
[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I don't know. I want to say
[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He's alive because I feel like there's so much more of the journey left
[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like there has to be some weird form of magic that he's a ghost
[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like an infuri person like he there's so many
[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Post death things in this book already that I feel like he can be
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, he has a phoenix like the freaking phoenix should be able to heal him
[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: How with the tears or like this phoenix can cry in a dead person raise that person. Yes
[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's wild that is a wild theory
[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I want to happen. I don't know like I would be I would enjoy it if he comes back
[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely. But like I don't even want to have hope
[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: There's there is a point of this book and I think she prepped you for this in some way
[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that in the in the fifth book
[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: When serious dies Harry comes back and then has a conversation with nearly head and the snake
[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of the most important conversations in the whole book
[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Because nearly head this nick is like adamant
[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like no he will have gone on very few choose the life of like coming back from the
[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so you can just choose it
[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like when you're if you're if you want to become a ghost at least it seems like you have a choice
[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Where if you have such such unresolved things in your life and you want to like, you know
[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Go haunt something you can be gonna go very very few pick that path
[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Would Dumbledore have picked that path or would he have gone on?
[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have any recollection of ghost Dumbledore
[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Not that I really should be trusting my memory with the track record. Yeah, but
[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He seems too good to be a ghost like the ghosts all seem goofy to me. Yeah for sure
[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And Dumbledore is like the greatest wizard ever so I don't know that he'd be a ghost
[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But
[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Um
[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel like
[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know like he can't communicate with Sirius in the mirror after he's dead or did he never try to do that
[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think no, he did try to do that. That's right
[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't understand why Dumbledore would do that unless he like put his soul in the mirror and that's like his
[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I
[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know but then there's that little like quote thing at the beginning and it's talking about the glass
[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And how like friends stay with you forever
[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like did she put that there because Dumbledore is like never gonna leave they're inseparable
[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That little you know that little blip sentence thing
[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good thought
[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: In this divine glass they see face to face and their converse is free as well as pure
[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the comfort of friends that though they may be said to die
[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yet their friendship and society are in the best sense ever present because immortal so Dumbledore is immortal
[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he is I don't know where he goes. He's probably like hunting more cruxes
[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see we'll see Lizzie. I like your theories
[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to know
[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to know something for sure
[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, okay. Let's see chapter three the derzlies departing
[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a derzlies leave with the order
[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And uh our guy little dud big D gets his
[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was like really nice. I feel like that was what I was remembering way
[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Early on in the podcast because now the podcast is out and I can listen to it
[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh they have this little like
[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: moment of reconciliation
[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if it was the Dementor situation or this situation that I was thinking of because this is like a better
[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: um like
[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know kindness to Harry
[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But it sounds like they didn't talk
[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_02]: At all during the summer like it sounds like Harry was just in his room
[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and I wonder if he wasn't in his room
[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: If Dudley and him would have had like a good summer together because then he was like was that tea
[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like did he actually bring me tea?
[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That thing was trying to like cross the bridge in small little ways
[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he probably is like maturing too. Like he's growing up a lot
[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because he's probably like 17 or 18 at this point. Mm-hmm
[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's older, right? Yeah, like older than Harry. He's
[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: He's
[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Minimally older than Harry. I actually don't know when Dudley's birthday is not that I would like have that off the top of my head, but
[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You probably would
[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: His birthday is mentioned. Oh, no his birthday is mentioned. Yeah, June 23rd 1980
[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And Harry's like really recently. I know I just passed it. I know in July 2nd right now
[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: um
[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of cute to see him like trying to
[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: to um
[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Do small little things to
[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Make it up to Harry
[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like again, you hate the dursleys, but
[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think? Yeah, are they?
[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about their turning here not really their turning I don't know how to phrase this question
[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any sympathy for them?
[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_02]: In this moment. Yes, because they're actually like
[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: in danger
[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if they like signed up for that
[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: but
[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They definitely didn't want that
[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, so it might be like the duty of
[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know being the family that they have to take care of him, but
[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just gonna go to the order
[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Somewhere like they're gonna hang out with the order. I thought they were going to go to like Grim old place or something
[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But they just said you're like safe with the order
[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're panicky right now, but they're trusting which is cool. Yeah
[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I feel like there's I don't know when they're gonna appear again. I'm assuming once
[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Voldemort's dead
[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think they'll like apologize and
[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You know for everything they've done so far
[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're just going to come back into the scene and be like
[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Life is normal and then just like move on and not talk to Harry
[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think like I'm sympathetic in that
[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Way because I don't think they're going to be thankful
[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: They just kind of have to do what they have to do
[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: but you think you think like
[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Dudley seems a little different from the the others. Yeah
[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: deadly seems like
[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_01]: product of his own
[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Parents making that he's like coming out of that realizing that this parents did some pretty terrible things
[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he did some terrible things and he's trying to make up for it
[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Vernon isn't trying to make my makeup for it all and Petunia
[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Feels like she's long gone feels like she's like
[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't make it up because she has this one thing where it says ampitunia
[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He was white-faced and buried in her handkerchief
[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Looked around at the sound. She did not seem to have expected to find herself alone with Harry
[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: hastily
[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Sowing her white handkerchief into her pocket. She said well, goodbye and marched toward the door without looking at him
[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Goodbye said Harry
[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: She stopped and looked back for a moment. Harry had the strongest feeling that she wanted to say something to him
[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: She gave him an odd tremulous look
[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And seemed to teeter on the edge of speech but then with a little jerk of her head
[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: She bustled out of the room after her husband and son
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: What did she want to say to him? No, I'm Keith thinking about Dumbledore's letter to her. Yeah
[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and like what else
[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Has been said to her because I was thinking like maybe they had more communication than
[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: What's written and like I don't know what that first letter said. Yeah
[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously remember my last letter whatever was in that
[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but
[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I almost feel like she wanted to wish him
[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Well and like good luck. I hope you defeat the dark lord
[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But almost only for her own safety like please defeat
[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Because she actually knows and understands like who Voldemort is and the dementors and
[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: All of the evil that's gonna come
[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like she maybe was like, I hope you can do this like I really like
[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Get out there get him. She's doing it for unselfish. Just like I want to still live my normal life
[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I still don't think she's like loves Harry or anything. Yeah, for sure
[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like Vernon is just like
[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing in his brain. Yeah, just like
[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Panic confusion
[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: He's very stuck up very ignorant very like yeah
[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And then yeah Dudley's like coming around
[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Having a little turn. I know I love that love that for him
[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Me too
[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's pretty much all that happened in this chapter
[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Get a little download of with Dudley and Petunia and Vernon. That's pretty much it
[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the last one which we're doing tonight is the seven potters
[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so
[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: In the seven potters
[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The order comes to
[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Um
[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's whatever their house is private drive
[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I should like know everything
[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Now this is only your second read on your like fifth. I expect you to remember everything but not in your second
[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll check back in like 15 years
[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: um
[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The order comes to collect Harry
[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like the order extended edition because there's fleur
[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And like bill and I don't know who else
[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But
[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: bunch of people and then half of them take polyjuice to look like harry and then they go by twos
[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Out into the sky back to
[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Tonks's parents house. Yeah, which is cool and Tonks is married
[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah to lupin. Yeah, what do you think about that?
[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of fine with it now. I had a moment of like
[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think they're kind of good for each other. Yeah, I think it's better now
[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like it when they were all putting pressure on them, but I'm like, I feel like lupin's come come around and like figure
[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: The things out
[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: How much time has passed since just the summer?
[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like probably two months
[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's they're coming on harry's birthday
[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is july 31st. No july 30th
[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: July 30th
[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You should know this
[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's 31 days in july though so july 30th
[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: No, there's 31 in july
[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Not prince harry harry potter
[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry potters, yeah, it's july 31st. I always get that wrong
[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So his birthday is july 30th
[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So in the last book it ended they end the school year probably like
[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: The end of may early june
[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So honestly, it's probably only been like a month. They figured it out fast. Yeah, they figured out there
[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Everything pretty fast or lupin figured it out fast
[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe he was super pressured into it. Do you think that uh
[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Either of them will have regrets. How do you think the relationship is gonna go?
[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the first five years are gonna be rough
[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They got a lot to figure out. Yeah, um
[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Not even given the fact that there's like a world crisis happening
[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like just in their personal lives. I think the first couple years are gonna be rough but
[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Um
[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could all I see it working out for them
[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm
[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You just need to get therapist
[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they should jump in therapy right away
[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Just precautionary
[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they got a lot of things that gotta work out
[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think lupin has probably more issues than he has to work out than tongs
[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But tongs still has to like wrap her head around certain things
[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Because she was a mess in the last book and so she's got to figure out figure some stuff out
[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But she was like a mess because of lupin not wanting her
[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think there's part of that. It's true, but I think they're again
[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a mix of a bunch of stuff
[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was probably the main impetus behind it
[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think like any of that kind of stuff is just you're looking for like a release
[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, you see we're depressed about that
[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But also serious died and also like they seem to be failing and also like her parents are like, you know
[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_01]: On the fritz and on the run and like, you know everything stressful in her life
[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And like she doesn't know if she's gonna die one day because she's
[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Working for them. The ministry of magic has an aura like there's a lot that's going on in her life
[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: She's probably, you know stressed and nervous on top of that she wants to be the guy that that, you know
[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Not that doesn't want to be with her
[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like doesn't think that he deserves her
[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And is like trying to be passive and dismissive of it and she's worried about him too and a lot of emotions
[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like if lupin is was doubting it too. That makes it so much harder
[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're like
[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You're not sure how the other person's feeling
[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think lupin needs companionship
[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's always alone
[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I think of him as like always alone or then he's like being a werewolf
[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he like becomes a human and then he goes back home and sits
[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: by himself
[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why he's all like old and like
[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's it is a great point because in these books, I do think of him as like being significantly older than he actually is
[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he's like upper 30s at this point in the book
[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And
[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know like mid 30s
[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you said yeah like 30s
[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Well early on when he when he taught harry, I think he was like early 30s. He's probably like mid 30s right now
[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think you're exactly right. I think his life
[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Is pretty characterized as lonely as like a lonely life
[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He had like antherpy when he was a kid probably was very isolated in certain moments and occurrences
[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like the height of his his life was his friendship with
[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: The marauders when they would go and be with him and it's like loneliest moment
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that was his only friends
[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then he then they die
[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And then
[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I would love a small little snippet like a side series of how lupin del was serious his death
[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that would be really interesting
[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But even like they didn't have all those in between years together either. His serious was in jail
[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, so who did he talk to that entire time?
[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he's just lived a very long life
[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: In a very like short amount of time. Yeah
[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of with you
[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That's aged him. Yes
[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Man lupa. I love lupin so much
[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the best
[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But um, yeah, I think they need to work out a lot of their problems
[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what even problems do they have though?
[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Like just what we're saying now
[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean like deep loneliness like how are they going to cope with each other lupin's been on his own
[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I yeah, he needs companionship, but he's got also also has to like
[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Learn how to accept companionship
[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't think lupins really like that
[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They obviously like being together though. Yeah, for sure. Like he's choosing to spend time with her
[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But lupin also has immense guilt over the things that he was given non
[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: willingly like
[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: His uh his lycanthropy
[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Like some some dude came up and bit him when he was a kid
[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And he has this and he's more responsible now. So he knows that like okay
[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He poses a danger and remember when he left in book three
[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He left not because
[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they asked him to leave he he left because he felt like a duty and a responsibility to leave
[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So he has this thing I think on him at all times where he's like I need to do what's right
[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: in his in his eyes
[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is always trending toward isolation and being alone, which is like I have to bear this on my own
[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He sounds eerily similar to someone that I know
[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is me
[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I
[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: agree
[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Um very true
[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's also
[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: If he believes like isolation is better than like him being with other people
[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: All of his fears of like oh, I'm too old. I'm too poor whatever blah blah blah
[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like
[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Not that they're fake
[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're fake, but he also like would rather kind of just
[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Punish himself then like find a solution to that
[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think those are like work aroundable issues if tongs isn't like opposed to the age gap
[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Then like the other things you can work around but he's just like oh, I just rather not like mess with it
[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I just rather back away from the situation. Yeah
[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You shouldn't do
[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Wow
[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: If I got some of your therapy right here, uh, yeah, I was gonna agree with you fully
[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Because in fight or flight he is 100 flight
[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he wants to run from his problems
[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I can give you a whole like download of information on leafon based on what I do because I feel like very similar to him
[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: um
[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm kind of with you on that. I don't think I think it just takes a
[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: concerted effort to train himself to not run away from those things
[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is really hard for him to do
[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Hard for me to do and it's like scary to go
[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Work through all those things too. Yeah, for sure like it is easier to just give up around
[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: If you can take it. Yeah
[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: John
[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if you were to make a plan to get Harry out of uh privid drive
[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you even mentioned that when you read you're like this doesn't seem like a great plan
[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Why not move him the day before or like a few weeks before? What would your plan be?
[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Secret tunnel
[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Um dig a big hole
[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know. There's gotta be some like spell that you can just do like a tunnel building thing
[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Can the the death theater see through the invisibility cloak?
[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: No
[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So can we get like 17 more invisibility cloaks and everybody go?
[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Ride together
[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Because or just like send harry by himself under the invisibility cloak and be like listen to me
[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Go in a straight line. Whatever. I feel like that's not that risky
[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, unless if they're just like shooting aimlessly through the sky like hoping to hit him. Yeah
[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But something I'm actually surprised that doesn't happen in this book
[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that harry actually accepts the help that's coming his way and he doesn't try to do things his own way
[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think it would have been a compelling intro to this book if harry
[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Don's the invisibility cloak
[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and
[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: runs
[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Goes to like a bus station and takes public transportation to
[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: London where he just goes into
[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Um grim old place and he like meets up with the order is like hey guys and he takes it off and it's like
[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey, we're united before like a week before you thought you were gonna come get me
[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he probably can't do that everything is very mandated and regulated for him right now
[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But harry's personality is very much like let me do this on my own
[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not they needed to
[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: They needed to kill hudwig
[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Target number one
[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it doesn't like it only feels unsafe because they know that this is the plan like if you
[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Chose a different plan. I think harry would be fine going out by himself. Like I don't know
[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess there are death eaters like patrolling everywhere, but
[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he could defend himself if he comes across like one or two of them
[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And even I think that's the only reason he lived as long as he did with haggard on this motorcycle thing
[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Is because he was
[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Using spells
[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like protecting them both of them. Okay, so if and haggard's the biggest target too
[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like and then giant haggard but then giant car thing with a sidecar or motorcycle
[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So who are you sending harry with out of this whole group? I thought he was gonna go with moody
[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah
[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I thought moody said that too. He's like
[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. I was like I thought he said like you're coming with me
[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess he wasn't talking to harry. He's talking to mundungus
[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's trying to keep an eye on mundungus because mundungus spilled the beans
[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Could be and then
[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like all this is your fault
[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But mad I would be better
[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Or even like give the invisibility cloak to
[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Um like anyone else and then have three of you go together. Yeah
[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Or just keep all of the seven potters together and like ride
[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I realized listening back to the podcast that I can never pronounce invisibility cloak correctly on the first try
[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I always go like
[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Coke
[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know like I would just rather shoe him out the door and be like run
[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that would be better. Yeah
[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Or take the bus but now stan
[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Stan
[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Is trying to kill him right now. I love stan too. I was so sad
[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You love stan what I did. I made him one of my favorite like my house cup one time
[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He won house cup a few because I I kept thinking oh, this is like the alternate route when you can't like
[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: When you're not a super successful wizard. You just like
[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know get a hang out with people like he probably has so many cool stories of meeting people
[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Agreed goes to cool places
[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think he's definitely an imperious because it said he had an odd look on his face or something like that
[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah like a blank look
[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing behind his eyes and it wasn't there like a article in the newspaper about him a while ago
[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that the one where he was like overheard talking about death eater plans. I think so yeah
[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Harry is very Harry's been a defender from day one
[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is just weird Harry doesn't really know him
[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He's defending he's out here defending sanshun pike until the day he dies
[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But Harry's like that. Yeah for sure Harry's got a
[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: saving people thing
[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a weird part of this book as well where
[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: When Voldemort comes flying at him yo, that was so scary right I hated that. Yeah, it's terrifying
[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, but he comes flying at him
[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and
[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Not flying on anything. Yeah not flying on anything not a broomstick
[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I love he just like picture him on the snake and this snake just like straight like a
[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But this they have like a duel in midair and it says Harry dropped the hair
[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no
[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He dropped the hair. No, sorry. I was talking about his
[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_01]: What you gonna call it his apologies turns gold. So his apologies turns gold, but then
[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Um
[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh it says here
[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It was over
[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He could not see hold on is this line? Oh, yeah, it was over. He could not see or hear where Voldemort was
[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He glimpse another death eater swooping out of the way and heard avada as the pain from Harry scar forces
[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I shut his wand acted of its own accord
[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He felt it drag his hand around like some great magnet saw a spur of gold fire
[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Through his half closed eyelids heard a crack and a scream of fury
[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The remaining death eater yelled
[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort screamed no
[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Somehow Harry found his nose an inch from the dragonfire button
[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_01]: He punched it with his wand freehand and the bike shot into more flames into the air
[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Hurdling straight toward the ground
[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What is going on there?
[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: so the wand
[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Fires without him doing anything. Yeah
[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Is Voldemort eliciting that with the brother wand easy?
[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question. How is this happening?
[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: um
[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The wand is
[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know Dumbledore like programs something into the wand to prepare Harry
[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I like maybe the wands know the prophecy and it's like destiny that it has to like kill him
[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is it gold? Nothing is ever gold. Yeah, it's always green or red or white
[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And
[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Phoenix is gold
[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Phoenix tears she's out. Yeah, they're shooting out of his wand. That'd be fascinating
[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: um
[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He felt it drag his hand around like some great magnet
[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_02]: A crack and a scream of fury. You know, what is this crack?
[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The spell hitting Voldemort, maybe or hitting the death eater. The remaining death eater yelled
[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: um
[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_02]: What's gonna make a crack noise
[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Disapparating operating could be did he like summon a person out of his wand and it like made the operating noise
[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then that's why it's like gold
[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Or did he like operate the phoenix through his wand or something?
[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing that cracks
[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: An apparition sound could be maybe he just shot Dumbledore out of his
[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna come back
[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_01]: We shot uh fox out of his wand low cold burst
[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it has to be powerful enough to get rid of Voldemort when he's fully prepared
[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_01]: To kill him with this whole plan but Voldemort is not using his own wand. He's using luscious mouthways wand
[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Snape like rigged mouthways wand so that one Voldemort tries to kill him? He can't
[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Snape is evil
[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Snape touched a mouthways wand at all either. I think he there was like mold Voldemort went and just took
[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: luscious's wand
[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And
[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Now owns it
[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Why are they like a magneted together?
[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Magnetize. That's a great question the brother wand. No, because they're not brother wands. We're just fascinating
[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, because this is an interesting part because okay, so
[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I asked you before why Voldemort
[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Took someone else's wand
[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And really the reason is because i'll give you this the reason is because
[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Voldemort doesn't know
[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Why his wand cannot be hairy and he's chalking it up to some kind of wand
[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_01]: issue
[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that way he says it's my fault that he got away?
[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of yeah, I mean like he just kind of he's like, you know self deprecating
[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So he just plans on a self anyway, but
[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Anytime they try to duel, you know and when they had dueled in the graveyard
[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: There was like priory and katana more like, you know
[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_01]: The wands didn't act and they didn't like fight each other and like this crazy magic thing happened that like, you know
[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Never happened. This really ever
[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're brother ones or those two wands have the same court. Yeah
[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So Voldemort is like let me bypass this our wands can't really act against each other
[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So i'm going to take someone else's wand and see if it works
[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And he tries to use malphoise wand here and harry's wand acts of its own accord
[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And seems to defend harry to some extent
[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is weird
[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is that happening? I don't know malphoise wand is a dragon
[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Heartstring core. Yeah, and those are the ones that are like more easily turned to evil
[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder if they're like also more easily turned to good and then like maybe it can recognize like
[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to kill like the chosen one because if the wand chooses the wizard
[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe harry has the most powerful wand and there's like a want to wand
[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Happening of like a hierarchy
[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Of like good versus evil magic because why would the wand be more inclined to like go to evil?
[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a great question. So maybe it can be inclined to come to good if facing the most powerful wand
[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's a great question because Voldemort has a really powerful wand and the fact that it is his sibling wand that
[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Harry has his wand is powerful too
[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe the wand just like misfired. I don't know. I'm just talking on my butt. I love this
[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That was so fun
[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the apparition thing
[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Could be something based on the knowledge, but I don't know summoning something out of his wand
[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll see maybe
[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see
[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Any other notes in this chapter?
[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so
[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, no because I spoke whatever my single note was about stan's shun play
[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that your only note was about stan. That's it. Yeah all the other good stuff in this chapter. Nope stan
[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, that's it about stan
[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and then my other notes on this note are just like
[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: thoughts of uh
[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_02]: How listening to the podcast makes me feel and hearing my own voice
[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like really weird and I I always say, I don't know and anyways and that's crazy
[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are like my phrases
[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But I say that all the time in podcast. So you're sorry everyone, but that's how I am in real life
[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, don't apologize. Anyway, I just said it again
[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I am we all have our little like things that we say I always say 100
[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_02]: 100 you also say um
[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Canon drum it's a conundrum. It is a conundrum
[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_01]: What else do you say? I got a lot of weird little things that I say. Yeah, don't be a critic of yourself
[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Just
[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I can tell the day of the week that we recorded on based on how I sound just on how tired I sound
[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure
[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a skill
[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot do that
[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a skill
[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's crazy
[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: What a conundrum
[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so real quick the next chapter is called Fallen Warrior
[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think it's gonna be about?
[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know but Hagrid's not dead
[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You cheater
[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I only read the next page because it's great because this chapter you're supposed to say oh
[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Hagrid oh no in the next chapter is called Fallen Warrior
[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So and you're supposed to think that but I really didn't want to start like sobbing. Yeah in front of you, so
[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I just needed to read like one more little paragraph to just know for sure. Come on. Lizzie you've seen me sob
[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You've probably seen me cry anyway, right?
[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think like everyone has seen me cry and everyone's seen me like in my pjs if you know me
[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are my two things. I love it. You really haven't seen me cry. I don't know
[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I have I don't keep track of that though. That's good. I'll tell you me track of it now
[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Just like see you like lurking in the corner
[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, no and like I only remember you crying because I was like a very big moment
[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I was also crying
[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You crowned your tiktok
[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not
[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That was funny dude. I've cried on my tiktok. You saw that video. Yeah, that was great. That was so great. I love that one
[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's true. So I have seen you cry
[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_02]: When was the last I cried two days ago
[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Love that there's three days ago. I almost cried today. What's that? Uh
[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Trigging terrible people
[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yo crying is great. I mean he says here he needs to do a little bit more crying
[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows Harry
[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Has harry like ever cried? Yeah
[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great question
[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Has anyone ever cried tongs is cried mrs. Weasley's cried
[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Malphoy's cried malphoy's cried
[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Hermione's cried
[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_02]: When did her money cry?
[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Lots in the first book in the bathroom when they defeated the troll
[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yule ball she cried every time ron makes fun of her she cries
[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_01]: In the blast book when she was with lavender her money cried her money does a lot of crying
[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of money. I don't know if you've ever seen it harry cry cry only malphoy
[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or drake. Oh whatever
[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like a little uh
[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I think harry might have shed a tear at
[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Dumbledore's funeral. Yeah, I was just gonna say that might be the only time though ron was crying then too, right? Yeah
[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he didn't I don't know if he dropped. I don't know if he shed any tears for serious
[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was just angry. He tore apart the office
[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we have any descriptions of him actually like crying or no because there's some scene in the hospital
[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Um where he's like
[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Dumbledore was looking intently at a bird and it gave harry time to wipe his eye or whatever he was looking at
[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was something like that. That was no. Yeah his mother. They were talking about his mother's sacrifice there. I think
[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he cry during the priori and cantata? No, was that neat?
[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I was good. That was good. Yeah. That was just you
[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's me. That was a good scene to cry at
[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I have been telling you like whenever I cry so yeah
[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was all
[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good section
[01:00:01] huh
[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we should have like we should have an annou and a new award
[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Who is the emotionally available character for the yeah these chapters?
[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Emotionally available. Who's the cry area?
[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's like the that's such a weird way of saying I know I'm trying to figure out a good way to saying it
[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: who was the who is the
[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Who is the most emotionally healthy person in these chapters because there's I don't think there's a lot of them better than that
[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Emotionally help the healthy. Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of this function. Yeah, she knows great. We're all this probably
[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Fleur right now. She's like she's holding it together. Yeah, and now she's in the order. Yeah
[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That's cool. That's great. That's a great one
[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: She's kind of uh, yeah, she's probably my hot tamale in this chapter these chapters
[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Fallen warrior this chapter art is like
[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think
[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Six people looking up at the sky and there's a house in the back
[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And a tree
[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: What does it mean? What does it mean? What does it mean indeed?
[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You can read after this if you want so good
[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The fallen warrior
[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody dies somebody on the brooms dies
[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the weaselies
[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: If it's moody, I'm gonna be so
[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: upset
[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Um
[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I do remember a weasley dying at some point
[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Mundungus, I feel like he's just gonna live on because he's like a blah character
[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: What's up, Lou?
[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, who else was there did mr. Weasley fly?
[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Haggard's alive. Haggard's alive
[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Twins flew Ron Hermione Kingsley
[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Kingsley
[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I quite like Kingsley. Yeah, he's good, right?
[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Is he gonna die?
[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I need you to just like say everyone's name
[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at me nods. I will aquaman see you
[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We can try that see how good your uh, it's legillum and see I would
[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We can see how good your skills are
[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I could probably tell when you're lying at this point
[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to try all the characters that we're flying and you can see yeah
[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let me you have to stare at me the entire time
[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And don't smile. All right. I can't I can't help it
[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna try
[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Geez
[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I uh, okay, and I need to think of who's here. He's counting on his fingers if you're not watching the youtube
[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll cut this part out till we get you
[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I
[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Would say you're like you're exceptional at making eye contact. Really? Yeah
[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's scary
[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's good. I do a good thing or a bad thing. It's no, it's good. I just don't like when I look away
[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it's good. All right
[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry
[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Harry
[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Stop terrifying never do that again. Oh my god. All right start over
[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me
[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I there's 14 people
[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me try to remember all these 14 people. I don't know if I can
[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Um harry ron hermione bill
[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Floor um
[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I I'm only at five moody
[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait moody mundungus
[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Hagrid king's lee your fingers are so charlie. I know or no not charlie. Uh mr. Weasley
[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's 10
[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: um
[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The twins
[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Tonks
[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And lupin
[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: S14 twins
[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: One of them. I don't know
[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Or bill but bill already has been through a lot so
[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, I feel like he's not gonna die
[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll see how good your legillum in C is in a few
[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I learned nothing
[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Um that was not helpful at all. I was I was trying real hard for my
[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna see right there
[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Ligillum in
[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, give me uh
[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Really quick. Give me your favorite character in this
[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: These chapters
[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Um harry
[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Good
[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. That's all I wanted
[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thanks for joining us on this journey of harry potter and the first time readers. See you
[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Second time reader. Yeah
[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Second time